yes. instead, we should type everything over and over again, for any fresh out of college, indoctrinated youngster that comes into slashdot and blabbers some 'ayn rand'.
Fresh out of college. Heh! You weren't even born back then sonny.
But the internet has very low barriers to entry, making it easy for small players like a couple of college kids to go big time (facebook, google, etc).
The next big thing could arrive any day. We don't know what it is because we are not there yet.
Ownership of much of the web can not be asserted by monopolies, and the bits that can become irrelevant soon enough.
That there are big players at any given point in time is no surprise, that most of the start ups fail is no surprise. Its the same for gas stations, dress shops, and Taco stands.
But yet the come, start their business, succeed or fail based on their concept, efforts, and efficiency.
As much as the Summary and TFA would like to characterize this as a US issue its nothing of the kind. Its simply economics and competition in the market place. A competition that didn't even exist in many of the places the internet reaches prior to its arrival.
Yes the big players can Game Google to push their links higher, (for a while anyway) but when the small company's happy customers (or unhappy ones) start tweeting for friending, yelping, or what-ever-is-nexting, it won't matter.
I think maybe (parts of) the community might not want to know.
You too, Brutus?
Exactly, and the Judge enforcing a huge NDA over the discussion has probably abrogated the rights of some third party to discover violations of their IP or leave them twisting in the wind waiting to be sued by patent trolls for an infringement that they are totally unaware of.
Did Red Hat essentially win the case, but can't tell anyone so that the patent trolls can continue to collect royalties on invalid patents?
Did Red Hat lose the case and thereby violate the GPL and be at risk of losing their entire business?
Maybe we need Judicial Impact statements in this country. Especially when the subject at hand affects the rights of non participants.
I'm sure some ancient biologist documented them but it was never translated to English, if written at all. Its hard enough for the casual observer to tell a lizard's gender that nobody even noticed.
Rural people, even western people, see things every day in their environment that they assume is well known, and never bother to document. When noticed "scientists" it somehow becomes a discovery.
Someone "Discovered" America. Those already living in America at the time "Discovered" large sailboats at about the same time. Perspective.
Possibly because radar track data is not all that accessible, and there is no one who's job it is to dig out that data and prepare it for the media sound byte.
Two web cams, one north, or south slightly would have provided a stereo view and made it plain that it was a plane in level flight, but who has web cams pointed to the sky off shore? And who is responsible to run thru their web cam recordings (if there are any) to look for contrails?
Too much tv watching leads people to the assumption that every square foot of the US is covered by multiple web cams/security cams.
It took this long because Horatio Cane was on the other coast at the time.
The odd thing is, you have to be very close to buildings to grab power off of their feed lines. Likely to be noticed. Unless they take over a rural dwelling, how could they install this without being caught? Any place they might use this is a place that would be very public and hard to get away with.
And just how much power to special opps guys need anyway? It would be easier to steal power from someones car battery to recharge your stuff.
No that is wrong. The time line in that story is completely backward (something you would expect from that site).
Google didn't even know what was in the data because they didn't make use of it. Further, they reported that they were collecting beacon data well in advance. The germans only demanded it once google put out its notification to governments that they had accidentally collected other data.
They used common off the shelf linux utilities to collect this information. The collected beacon information, wrote it to disk with the current location information.
Rather than a "database" it was a simple flat file of location plus beacon data.
Someone forgot to filter it so that only beacon packets were written.
So in the 5-10 seconds the car was within range of an unencrypted wifi some other data might have been geo-tagged and written.
Don't try to make more of it that it was. It was not a relational database. Its no where near that sophisticated. And google was unaware that they were even collecting the information till they noticed their disk were filling faster than they should. Since all they wanted was Beacon packets they never even looked at the rest.
And guess who reported this to government: Thats right, Google.
No one goes to jail for a harmless mistake.
The only way this data gets sold is when the governments that demanded it for their witch-hunt release it under freedom of information requests.
Now run along and go turn your wireless encryption on and put your tinfoil hat back in the closet.
Why would they even REMOTELY think this was a good idea? What's the point of Google collecting this kind of information
Have you been asleep for the last 6 months?
It was an error, they didn't even know they were collecting it and never used it for anything. They simply filtered out the beacon data to locate wifi hot-spots. None of these wifi hot-spots were encrypted
Google themselves reported this when they discovered they were collecting way more data than they wanted. But even Google didn't look into the data and see what was there.
Governments demanded the data, and THEY began sifting it and gathering email addresses. Now WHO violate the laws? Seems to me the government busybodies sifting thru the data that google never even looked at are the guilty ones.
How in gods name can you be so unaware of the details of this incident after all this time?
Read the patent. The patent speaks about electromagnetic waves not switches. YOu need to use light or IR (kinect uses IR)
So then its KSR Int’l Co. v. Teleflex all over again. Anyone schooled in the art would swap one signaling layer for another in a heartbeat (radio for wires), and having wireless keyboards for years means no one would come out with new devices requiring wires when a simple USB/Bluetooth dongle would suffice.
This seems odd if you ask me. Anytime the US military assaults a populated area the first thing to disappear is the power grid.
Once they hold an area, they could just step into any building and get all the power they need. Who's going to say no?
Seems this is designed to be used for clandestine operations, where they need a fairly substantial amount of power from a power system they know is still operational.
But look at the size of the cable notch and you can see this is to tap into building feed lines (entrance lines), its not big enough for high tension lines, (which generally aren't rubber coated any way). Any line small enough to fit in that notch
Does that mean this is planned for suburban/residential areas or locations where there are building feed lines overhead? Some of the images on the linked page seem to show this (the unshielded cable in the images being for suspension only, and the other two conductors for power).
Yet that kind of entrance is not all that common in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, so one wonders if this isn't for domestic use in disaster relief situations where no one will begrudge them the power.
The quantity of gold in a nanoparticle would make recovery from leaves a very, very difficult prospect. there's simply not enough to make any $ out of it
That rather depends on the amount it takes to make any amount of useful light. You have to do it year after year.
You man not be able to recover any of this gold. Its reduced to the molecular level. Given the cost of gold, and the need to do this every year, and the minimal amount of light produced, I can't imagine a more costly way to make light.
Because the card has smarts, and the cable does not.
Because the card lives on your bus, and the cable does not.
But try not to belabor the point, as I said, it was just an example. Substitute any other device resident in your computer which you feel better demonstrates the point.
The best security is the kind where everyone knows how it works, but even given the source code, you can't beat it, or you can't beat it in any useful length of time.
That being said, the automated code inspection packages you can buy these days look only for the obvious noobie programmer mistakes.
SELinux, originally from NSA, solves many of the problems of running untrusted code on your box, but even that is not 100% secure, and the maintenance problems it introduces mean that it is seldom used in real life.
The problem is not how this agency (the NSA) cleans up their code.
The problem is that we don't know about what backdoors exist in our hardware and our operating systems. Because so much code is embedded in silicon, and so few people actually look at that code, its easy to imagine all sorts of pownage living there.
A compromised Ethernet card (just sayin by way of example), would be both Obscure, and hard to detect, and have access to just about everything going in and out of your machine.
Security does not come from obscurity, but insecurity often does.
Lots of cities all over the world are like that, it is a solvable problem. We need port cities, they will tend to sink like this.
That's not really true. The number of port cities that have sunk below sea level is quite small, even over the span of thousands of years.
The logical approach is to gradually move the city to higher ground by simply doing NOTHING, rather than putting up a levy system that, over the long run, is going to be unmaintainable.
This does not require any expenditure of money, or a foray into the politics of greed. Simply benign neglect, allowing low lying areas to be used or abandoned as the economics and subsidence dictates will do what is logical. People will move.
Floating cities strike me as another idea that, over the long run, are unmaintainable.
Seriously. The oldest ship we have is around 200 years old, and it serves no purpose other than a historical nostalgia piece.
Imagine an entire city needing a new hull as the passage of time and storms takes their toll. The political pressure to run in and do something dumb is enormous.
By the time that happens, the rich and powerful will have sold off every inch of said floating city to the poor. It will be a floating slum.
If we can't stomach losing a city inch by inch over a hundred years, and therefore get stampeded into building levies, imagine pressure to bail (figuratively and literally) out the floating city with the leaking hull, full of poor people with no money to maintain what they have been saddled with.
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Way to pimp your own post...
yes. instead, we should type everything over and over again, for any fresh out of college, indoctrinated youngster that comes into slashdot and blabbers some 'ayn rand'.
Fresh out of college. Heh! You weren't even born back then sonny.
Way to pimp your own post...
But the internet has very low barriers to entry, making it easy for small players like a couple of college kids to go big time (facebook, google, etc).
The next big thing could arrive any day. We don't know what it is because we are not there yet.
Ownership of much of the web can not be asserted by monopolies, and the bits that can become irrelevant soon enough.
That there are big players at any given point in time is no surprise, that most of the start ups fail is no surprise. Its the same for gas stations, dress shops, and Taco stands.
But yet the come, start their business, succeed or fail based on their concept, efforts, and efficiency.
As much as the Summary and TFA would like to characterize this as a US issue its nothing of the kind. Its simply economics and competition in the market place. A competition that didn't even exist in many of the places the internet reaches prior to its arrival.
Yes the big players can Game Google to push their links higher, (for a while anyway) but when the small company's happy customers (or unhappy ones) start tweeting for friending, yelping, or what-ever-is-nexting, it won't matter.
I think maybe (parts of) the community might not want to know.
You too, Brutus?
Exactly, and the Judge enforcing a huge NDA over the discussion has probably abrogated the rights of some third party to discover violations of their IP or leave them twisting in the wind waiting to be sued by patent trolls for an infringement that they are totally unaware of.
Did Red Hat essentially win the case, but can't tell anyone so that the patent trolls can continue to collect royalties on invalid patents?
Did Red Hat lose the case and thereby violate the GPL and be at risk of losing their entire business?
Maybe we need Judicial Impact statements in this country. Especially when the subject at hand affects the rights of non participants.
Because nobody reported a missile landing?
Groklaw disagrees with your assessment.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101111114933605
I'd just hand them an extension cord.
But everyone would have the same skill level, being clones and all. No cannon fodder.
Sure, mod me troll, then post as AC to flame me, all in the same session.
Nice.
Usually means unknown to western science.
I'm sure some ancient biologist documented them but it was never translated to English, if written at all. Its hard enough for the casual observer to tell a lizard's gender that nobody even noticed.
Rural people, even western people, see things every day in their environment that they assume is well known, and never bother to document. When noticed "scientists" it somehow becomes a discovery.
Someone "Discovered" America. Those already living in America at the time "Discovered" large sailboats at about the same time. Perspective.
Get pretty crowded in the basement wouldn't it?
Possibly because radar track data is not all that accessible, and there is no one who's job it is to dig out that data and prepare it for the media sound byte.
Two web cams, one north, or south slightly would have provided a stereo view and made it plain that it was a plane in level flight, but who has web cams pointed to the sky off shore? And who is responsible to run thru their web cam recordings (if there are any) to look for contrails?
Too much tv watching leads people to the assumption that every square foot of the US is covered by multiple web cams/security cams.
It took this long because Horatio Cane was on the other coast at the time.
The odd thing is, you have to be very close to buildings to grab power off of their feed lines. Likely to be noticed. Unless they take over a rural dwelling, how could they install this without being caught? Any place they might use this is a place that would be very public and hard to get away with.
And just how much power to special opps guys need anyway?
It would be easier to steal power from someones car battery to recharge your stuff.
Next time, just post a link ok?
We all know things get slashdotted, no point in violating everyone's copyright for s strictly temporal problem.
Well, Mr Richardson needs to turn in his editor hat and take up fishing.
Egg, meet Face.
No that is wrong. The time line in that story is completely backward (something you would expect from that site).
Google didn't even know what was in the data because they didn't make use of it. Further, they reported that they were collecting beacon data well in advance. The germans only demanded it once google put out its notification to governments that they had accidentally collected other data.
Yes that is exactly what they are telling you.
They used common off the shelf linux utilities to collect this information. The collected beacon information, wrote it to disk with the current location information.
Rather than a "database" it was a simple flat file of location plus beacon data.
Someone forgot to filter it so that only beacon packets were written.
So in the 5-10 seconds the car was within range of an unencrypted wifi some other data might have been geo-tagged and written.
Don't try to make more of it that it was. It was not a relational database. Its no where near that sophisticated. And google was unaware that they were even collecting the information till they noticed their disk were filling faster than they should. Since all they wanted was Beacon packets they never even looked at the rest.
And guess who reported this to government: Thats right, Google.
No one goes to jail for a harmless mistake.
The only way this data gets sold is when the governments that demanded it for their witch-hunt release it under freedom of information requests.
Now run along and go turn your wireless encryption on and put your tinfoil hat back in the closet.
Why is that eh-veel?
Did you somehow thing your unencrypted wifi signal was private?
You DO understand its a radio don't you?
Why would they even REMOTELY think this was a good idea? What's the point of Google collecting this kind of information
Have you been asleep for the last 6 months?
It was an error, they didn't even know they were collecting it and never used it for anything. They simply filtered out the beacon data to locate wifi hot-spots. None of these wifi hot-spots were encrypted
Google themselves reported this when they discovered they were collecting way more data than they wanted. But even Google didn't look into the data and see what was there.
Governments demanded the data, and THEY began sifting it and gathering email addresses. Now WHO violate the laws? Seems to me the government busybodies sifting thru the data that google never even looked at are the guilty ones.
How in gods name can you be so unaware of the details of this incident after all this time?
Read the patent. The patent speaks about electromagnetic waves not switches. YOu need to use light or IR (kinect uses IR)
So then its KSR Int’l Co. v. Teleflex all over again. Anyone schooled in the art would swap one signaling layer for another in a heartbeat (radio for wires), and having wireless keyboards for years means no one would come out with new devices requiring wires when a simple USB/Bluetooth dongle would suffice.
I still say this goes down upon first challenge.
This seems odd if you ask me. Anytime the US military assaults a populated area the first thing to disappear is the power grid.
Once they hold an area, they could just step into any building and get all the power they need. Who's going to say no?
Seems this is designed to be used for clandestine operations, where they need a fairly substantial amount of power from a power system they know is still operational.
But look at the size of the cable notch and you can see this is to tap into building feed lines (entrance lines), its not big enough for high tension lines, (which generally aren't rubber coated any way). Any line small enough to fit in that notch
Does that mean this is planned for suburban/residential areas or locations where there are building feed lines overhead? Some of the images on the linked page seem to show this (the unshielded cable in the images being for suspension only, and the other two conductors for power).
Yet that kind of entrance is not all that common in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, so one wonders if this isn't for domestic use in disaster relief situations where no one will begrudge them the power.
The quantity of gold in a nanoparticle would make recovery from leaves a very, very difficult prospect. there's simply not enough to make any $ out of it
That rather depends on the amount it takes to make any amount of useful light. You have to do it year after year.
You man not be able to recover any of this gold. Its reduced to the molecular level. Given the cost of gold, and the need to do this every year, and the minimal amount of light produced, I can't imagine a more costly way to make light.
No it wasn't Check your facts and learn to read Zulu time.
The NOTAM refereed to the prior evening, (friday) and was for a different area further north.
Because the card has smarts, and the cable does not.
Because the card lives on your bus, and the cable does not.
But try not to belabor the point, as I said, it was just an example. Substitute any other device resident in your computer which you feel better demonstrates the point.
security doesn't come from obscurity
Exactly right.
The best security is the kind where everyone knows how it works, but even given the source code, you can't beat it, or you can't beat it in any useful length of time.
That being said, the automated code inspection packages you can buy these days look only for the obvious noobie programmer mistakes.
SELinux, originally from NSA, solves many of the problems of running untrusted code on your box, but even that is not 100% secure, and the maintenance problems it introduces mean that it is seldom used in real life.
The problem is not how this agency (the NSA) cleans up their code.
The problem is that we don't know about what backdoors exist in our hardware and our operating systems. Because so much code is embedded in silicon, and so few people actually look at that code, its easy to imagine all sorts of pownage living there.
A compromised Ethernet card (just sayin by way of example), would be both Obscure, and hard to detect, and have access to just about everything going in and out of your machine.
Security does not come from obscurity, but insecurity often does.
Lots of cities all over the world are like that, it is a solvable problem. We need port cities, they will tend to sink like this.
That's not really true. The number of port cities that have sunk below sea level is quite small, even over the span of thousands of years.
The logical approach is to gradually move the city to higher ground by simply doing NOTHING, rather than putting up a levy system that, over the long run, is going to be unmaintainable.
This does not require any expenditure of money, or a foray into the politics of greed. Simply benign neglect, allowing low lying areas to be used or abandoned as the economics and subsidence dictates will do what is logical. People will move.
Floating cities strike me as another idea that, over the long run, are unmaintainable.
Seriously. The oldest ship we have is around 200 years old, and it serves no purpose other than a historical nostalgia piece.
Imagine an entire city needing a new hull as the passage of time and storms takes their toll. The political pressure to run in and do something dumb is enormous.
By the time that happens, the rich and powerful will have sold off every inch of said floating city to the poor. It will be a floating slum.
If we can't stomach losing a city inch by inch over a hundred years, and therefore get stampeded into building levies, imagine pressure to bail (figuratively and literally) out the floating city with the leaking hull, full of poor people with no money to maintain what they have been saddled with.