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Lizard Previously Unknown To Science Found On Vietnam Menu

eldavojohn writes "A lizard long served on the menu in the Mekong Delta has recently caught the attention of scientists when it was noted that all animals in the species appeared identical as well as female. The species appears to be a hybrid of two other species (like a mule or liger). But the curious thing is that this hybrid isn't sterile — it reproduces asexually. The species, known for some time in Vietnam, has now officially been named Leiolepis ngovantrii."

133 comments

  1. I'll take one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... with fries

    1. Re:I'll take one by eviloverlordx · · Score: 3, Funny

      Lizard: The other white meat.

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    2. Re:I'll take one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean "The other other other white meat"

    3. Re:I'll take one by flynt · · Score: 1

      Get ready for McLizard.

  2. Leiolepis ngovantrii? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Leiolepis ngovantrii, That's a mouthful. And a delicious mouthful too.

    1. Re:Leiolepis ngovantrii? by snookerhog · · Score: 4, Funny

      translates to "good with bean sprouts and green onion"

    2. Re:Leiolepis ngovantrii? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      Pat for short.

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  3. I for one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    welcome our new supreme Leiolepis ngovantrii overlords.

  4. TERRIBLE RESTAURANT!!!!! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

    You got a Lizard on the Menu? I had a fly in the soup!

    No tip from me, that's for sure. And I'm telling all my friends about this!

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    1. Re:TERRIBLE RESTAURANT!!!!! by VanGarrett · · Score: 1

      Next time, don't order the fly soup. Try the grub sandwich, instead.

    2. Re:TERRIBLE RESTAURANT!!!!! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      I ordered a pulled pork sandwich, and got the same thing as my girlfriend - who'd ordered a hotdog.

      This gave me some serious second-thoughts.

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    3. Re:TERRIBLE RESTAURANT!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What part of the pork did you THINK they'd pull? :D

    4. Re:TERRIBLE RESTAURANT!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waiter! This coffee is horrible. It tastes like hot water with a brown crayon in it!

      [sips coffee] You're right! I'll go put in another crayon..

    5. Re:TERRIBLE RESTAURANT!!!!! by LongearedBat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mmmm... witchetty grubs. =b..
      Info

    6. Re:TERRIBLE RESTAURANT!!!!! by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      I had a fly in the soup!

      Well, at these prices, I would expect at least two..

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    7. Re:TERRIBLE RESTAURANT!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know what part your girlfriend would pull...

      Tell mom I said hi.

  5. Hmmm.. what if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I wonder how the world would function if we reproduced asexually (ie 1 gender only). lol

    1. Re:Hmmm.. what if by Mitchell314 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Us geeks would actually be able to reproduce?

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    2. Re:Hmmm.. what if by codepunk · · Score: 1

      The only thing I know is I would be one rich dude.

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    3. Re:Hmmm.. what if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to the Slashdot biodome. Stay a while and find out.

    4. Re:Hmmm.. what if by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 1

      Then /. would be the place on the Internet with the most (knuckle)children as opposed to the least.

    5. Re:Hmmm.. what if by icebike · · Score: 4, Funny

      Get pretty crowded in the basement wouldn't it?

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    6. Re:Hmmm.. what if by The+Pirou · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Who is to say we don't? Parthenogensis, while generally (allegedly) uncommon outside of invertebrates, is nothing new. If one were given to biblical pontifications, you could say that it's even been documented in humans. I'm more inclined to believe that things I've read in books that were several thousand years old were written due to lies made by an ashamed couple, but given the lack of 'medical science' that we presently have compared to then, I would be a fool to completely write it off. If it's still happening in Komodo's & Boa constrictors, I don't see why it couldn't happen (albeit rarely) in other ranks of Biological Classifications as well.

    7. Re:Hmmm.. what if by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I wonder how the world would function if we reproduced asexually (ie 1 gender only). lol

      It would be one honking huge banana republic, obviously.

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    8. Re:Hmmm.. what if by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

      Would make LAN parties slightly easier to organise at least.

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    9. Re:Hmmm.. what if by icebike · · Score: 1

      But everyone would have the same skill level, being clones and all. No cannon fodder.

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    10. Re:Hmmm.. what if by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1
      AND everyone would be female.

      Just sayin'

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    11. Re:Hmmm.. what if by lul_wat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Josef Fritzl is that you??

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    12. Re:Hmmm.. what if by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Eh. If you're going to take the "you can't prove it DOESN'T happen" approach, then we may as well assume that some humans can outrun speeding bullets, stop locomotives dead in their tracks, and leap tall buildings in a single bound. After all, given the lack of 'medical science' that we presently have compared to what we'll have in a hundred years, you'd be a fool to completely write it off, right?

    13. Re:Hmmm.. what if by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      It's absolutely happened in humans; I saw it in an episode of House, so it must be true!

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    14. Re:Hmmm.. what if by somersault · · Score: 1

      A good nature vs nurture experiment! One of the clones is bound to randomly think up some better tactics every so often, and in my case any clones who did well would start to improve in confidence and rise to the top of the ranks, while the others would feel demoralised for a while and have a tougher time of it. It must be pretty embarrassing getting repeatedly beat by yourself.

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    15. Re:Hmmm.. what if by cyborch · · Score: 1

      They reproduce asexually. Hasn't that been the only option for geeks for some time now?

    16. Re:Hmmm.. what if by operagost · · Score: 1

      You mean other than by creating android clones? Dammit, I've wasted years of my life.

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    17. Re:Hmmm.. what if by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't' be a fool to write it off after you studies the part of the bible and that part of the world at that time. Assuming there were a 'Joseph' and 'Mary' it would be far more likely they made up the story so she wouldn't be killed.

      Of course, taking a pregnant woman through that part of the world during that time would really mean the husband would be a childless widower when he arrived. SO the whole thing is ridiculous. And before some one parrots what there religious leader says at me, the census was not taken like that at that particular time. It was taken like that 150 years or so later.

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    18. Re:Hmmm.. what if by sagematt · · Score: 1

      No, you didn't. House admitted afterwards that he lied about it. That woman cheated on her husband but refused to admit it.

  6. Biggest question not answered! by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

    How does it taste?

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    1. Re:Biggest question not answered! by brokeninside · · Score: 2, Funny

      Like chicken.

    2. Re:Biggest question not answered! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does it taste?

      Consistent.

    3. Re:Biggest question not answered! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Quoting the CNN article
        Grismer complained that he had to hold his breath while eating the local dish to appear polite to the restaurant owners.
      "You take a bite out of it and it feels like something very old and dead in your mouth," he said.

    4. Re:Biggest question not answered! by mekongdelta · · Score: 5, Informative

      It tastes quite good, really. It tastes best when fried. It is crispy and sweet, like snakes. I used to hunts these lizards and ate them once in a while but back then (more than 20 years ago) few people ate them unless they had Asthma. It is an effective medicine to treat Asthma.

    5. Re:Biggest question not answered! by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah. Like KFC then.

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    6. Re:Biggest question not answered! by aardwolf64 · · Score: 1

      I suppose that's better that tasting like something very young and ALIVE...

    7. Re:Biggest question not answered! by thePig · · Score: 1

      It is crispy and sweet, like snakes.

      Thanks, that will help. :-)

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    8. Re:Biggest question not answered! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this fact that this account seems to have been created expressly to answer this question make its truthfulness suspect?

    9. Re:Biggest question not answered! by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      Magnificent.

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    10. Re:Biggest question not answered! by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      My wife is a native VNese speaker and her native language artifacts in English are nothing like mekongdelta's, so yeah, I think it's rather suspect.

    11. Re:Biggest question not answered! by bronney · · Score: 2, Funny

      my mind wanders..

    12. Re:Biggest question not answered! by mekongdelta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I really enjoy your comments! I am a long time /. reader but have never posted a comment. Yes, I created this account to specifically post my comments on this topic. I am a native Vietnamese speaker too who used to live in Can Tho city - a city that is right at Mekong Delta. When I was a teenager hunting these lizards was my favorite activity after school. They run very fast, they are usually on the ground but they can climb trees as fast. And their bites can be lethal, or so I thought (there was a rumor that when they bite you, you had to drink a mouthful of water quickly; otherwise, if the lizards drink the water before you do, you die ! :-( Like I said their meat tastes quite good, actually very good (otherwise, they wouldn't be on the menu) but the main reason I like to hunt them because catching them are fun andI can sell them for a few bucks (we call it Dong in Vietnam)

    13. Re:Biggest question not answered! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You uppity people are so freakin' amazing when it comes to your ignorance and arrogance. Your fucking wife's "native language ARTIFACTS"?! Comparing them to another, sentient individual?

      Who the fuck are you?

      I'm tired of this website. Really.

    14. Re:Biggest question not answered! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Whatever you do, don't tell English speakers "I used to make good money selling my Dong in Vietnam!"

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    15. Re:Biggest question not answered! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      So the moral of your story is:

      "Grabbing the lizard is good for your Dong."

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    16. Re:Biggest question not answered! by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I love that spelling, too; fortunately, the actual pronunciation sounds something like "dowm" (rhymes with "down"). Bich (a name) doesn't sound like what you might expect, either :-)

    17. Re:Biggest question not answered! by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      OK, if you know Can Tho I'm more inclined to believe you :-)

      Don't know the water in the delta, but if you drank water out of the Saigon River these days, *that* would be probably kill you :-)

      I haven't been to VN in 5 years, but I'm sure the Saigon River is as nasty as ever :-(

    18. Re:Biggest question not answered! by RancidPeanutOil · · Score: 1

      In an ironic twist that any American who has visited Vietnam can attest to, the KFC in the socialist republic is literally finger-licking good. It is amazing how good the southeast asian (non-vietnamese) imported chicken is. I think it's from Thailand or something. You can mock the Colonel, but imagine his 11 herbs and spices on really, really good chicken meat.

      Of course, what gets the locals in the door at KFC here is that the Colonel kinda looks like Uncle Ho - same beard,and his hair isn't so obvious in the promotional stencils. I haven't asked, but it's conceivable they might think he was one of Ho's loyal communist colonels in the war for independance.

  7. Yummy! by TheBrutalTruth · · Score: 1

    Science is tasty!

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  8. Full name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leiolepis ngovantrii yummis

  9. Yes, but by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Yes, but how does it taste?

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  10. It tastes quite good, really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    It tastes best when fried. It is crispy and sweet, similar to snakes.
    I used to hunt these lizards and ate them once in a while but mainly I fed them to my pigs. Back then (more than 20 years ago), few people ate them.
     

  11. On this menu by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

    Mystery meat

  12. Iguana on a Stick Eh? by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 5, Funny

    "What's that? You're selling Iguana on a stick? Give me a second to get another Nuka-Cola out of the fridge first."

    ;)

    Alternative allusion:
    "You eat one Iguana on a Stick.
    +25 hit points.
    Temporary +1 to Science skill"

    1. Re:Iguana on a Stick Eh? by Linsaran · · Score: 1

      I prefer the 'choice cuts', or rather, I used to prefer the choice cuts before I found out what it was made out of. Now I eat a diet exclusively of soylent green.

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    2. Re:Iguana on a Stick Eh? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      You forgot the Rads.

    3. Re:Iguana on a Stick Eh? by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      I only like the ones from Iguana Bob in the Hub. I don't know how he does it, but I swear I have never tasted anything that great.

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    4. Re:Iguana on a Stick Eh? by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that crossed my mind about two minutes after I posted.

    5. Re:Iguana on a Stick Eh? by Phopojijo · · Score: 1

      Silly... there's no Iguanas in New York State... ... but you know I *love* my Soylent Green.

  13. Be glad we got to see it... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Be glad we got to see it before we eat it into extinction (too.)

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    1. Re:Be glad we got to see it... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      what have we ever eaten into extinction?

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    2. Re:Be glad we got to see it... by colmmcsky · · Score: 1

      Doing a google search for "what have we ever eaten into extinction?" turned this up as the first result:

      "A monkey species was eaten into extinction last year - the gorilla could be next"
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/feb/24/highereducation.biologicalscience

      The monkey species is the "Miss Waldron's Red Colobus". Wikipedia corroborates that it may have been eaten to extinction recently.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Waldron's_Red_Colobus

  14. Unknown to Science... by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Usually means unknown to western science.

    I'm sure some ancient biologist documented them but it was never translated to English, if written at all. Its hard enough for the casual observer to tell a lizard's gender that nobody even noticed.

    Rural people, even western people, see things every day in their environment that they assume is well known, and never bother to document. When noticed "scientists" it somehow becomes a discovery.

    Someone "Discovered" America. Those already living in America at the time "Discovered" large sailboats at about the same time. Perspective.

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    1. Re:Unknown to Science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit, Sherlock.

    2. Re:Unknown to Science... by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Rural people, even western people, see things every day in their environment that they assume is well known, and never bother to document. When noticed "scientists" it somehow becomes a discovery."

      There's a reason for that. If you or I or a local group of people know something, great. But it's local, and limited, and easy to wipe out. Once that knowledge escapes that small group, either by the actions of that group or by an external factor it becomes something greater: part of the shared knowledge of humanity from which someone with no connection to the initial source of information can nonetheless make use of. For instance I'm working on a paper with a Chinese collaborator about the traditional use of certain plants by local farmers to combat pest insects. We're describing what those local farmers are doing (and probably have been doing for centuries) and providing an additional biochemical perspective; this knowledge will for the first time be available globally. It could lead to new insecticides, or perhaps the wider adoption of these plants themselves as organic insecticidal agents, and either or both could be done far outside the isolated community in which the use of these plants was found. This work is just a tiny part of a much larger, decades-long, global research effort by thousands of scientists (note lack of scare quotes) to try and take traditional medicine and other practices (including westerners: aspirin, for example), discover what works, how it works, and make that knowledge generally available. How's that for some perspective?

    3. Re:Unknown to Science... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Usually means unknown to western science.

      Um, no, it means "unknown to science". The sous-chef at Crazy Duong's Iguana Eatery is not a scientist, nor is his second cousin with the acupuncture needles and the powdered tiger penis.

      Someone "Discovered" America. Those already living in America at the time "Discovered" large sailboats at about the same time. Perspective.

      Someone "Discovered" an ant colony. Those already living in the ant colony "Discovered" some huge monster peering at them with a magnifying glass. Perspective.

    4. Re:Unknown to Science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not terribly long ago (2008 or 2009), a wildlife survey found something like 5 species of insects and two species of salamander previously unknown in the Appalachian Mountains. Double checking of the records and backroom inventories at places like the Smithsonian showed that nobody documented their existence before. So yes, there is a chance that some critters in our own backyard are something that modern science is still unaware of.

    5. Re:Unknown to Science... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      the idea of western science is a false dichotomy. There is no western science, there is no eastern science, there is just science.

      When ti is documented and study it's considered a scientific discovery.

      Yes, the discovered America. They didn't know much about it. They went there documented for them it was a discovery.

      Just like when I first moved to this city, and discovered a nearby 7/11.

      If you went out,, found something not previously discovered and correctly documented that YOU would have made a scientific discovery. It's rare because people who don't practice science professional rarely do that.

      People like you who clearly don't let there ignorance stop them from making derisive comments about science are getting really annoying.

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    6. Re:Unknown to Science... by nicks,nicks,nicks! · · Score: 1

      This work is just a tiny part of a much larger, decades-long, global research effort by thousands of scientists (note lack of scare quotes) to try and take traditional medicine and other practices (including westerners: aspirin, for example), discover what works, how it works, and make that knowledge generally available.....

      and then patent it (e.g. turmeric), so they can use it commercially. The patent then raises the specter of legal threats against the people who use it and have been using it traditionally over hundreds of years.

  15. Side effects... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...may include asexual reproduction.

  16. sexual reproduction by alphastrike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's interesting, sexual reproduction is meant to increase genetic variation within a population and adapting to evolutionary changes. An animal that forgoes this process and clones itself to reproduce must of had genetic defects already weeded out from the gene pool at large. It might have perfectly adapted to survive in its surroundings, without experiencing harsh evolutionary demands. If this lizard has been around for millions of years, it might be interesting to analyze genetic variance of individual lizards, and see how many original lines exist within the population. After all if they are clones, it's possible that the entire species is consisted of clones descended from ONE individual! That's pretty rad stuff for the animal kingdom.

    1. Re:sexual reproduction by L3370 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the exact same thing as I read the article. Genetic diversity should increase a species ability to stick around which makes you think how unusual something like this is still around. There are other lizards that can perform "virgin birth" but even those species still reproduce sexually when permissible.

      If cloning is the only way they reproduce, they either must be genetically perfect for their environment or their environment has resisted drastic change.

    2. Re:sexual reproduction by Neutral_Observer · · Score: 0

      That's food for thought! Urp!

    3. Re:sexual reproduction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That should be 'must have' not 'must of'.

    4. Re:sexual reproduction by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      No. Genetic variation still exists. Yeast produce asexually, but many strains exist, and new strains are developed all the time. Your statement is predicated on perfect genetic replication every time, which doesn't always happen. If that were the case, bacteria and virii would be eternally unchanging. Evolutionary changes are slower however, since they rely on mutations within a single organism, rather than mixing different genetic lines.

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    5. Re:sexual reproduction by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Eh, there's not really anything such as genetically perfect, even for a specific environment. In evolution, the main value is "good enough". Sometimes maybe "prolific" like ants. Or sometimes "dominate", but that has it's own pitfalls like the super-shark that ate themselves out of an ecosystem.

      But you do have a point. Sexual reproduction is typically faster to adapt then asexual reproduction.
      I was going to say something along the lines of how a strain of bacteria is probably able to change a larger percentage of it's code-base, then elephants in any given time frame simply due to their reproduction frequencies. ...but this is software, small changes can be drastic and massive overhauls can be transparent.

    6. Re:sexual reproduction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's interesting, sexual reproduction is meant to increase genetic variation within a population and adapting to evolutionary changes. An animal that forgoes this process and clones itself to reproduce must of had genetic defects already weeded out from the gene pool at large. It might have perfectly adapted to survive in its surroundings, without experiencing harsh evolutionary demands.

      If this lizard has been around for millions of years, it might be interesting to analyze genetic variance of individual lizards, and see how many original lines exist within the population. After all if they are clones, it's possible that the entire species is consisted of clones descended from ONE individual!

      TFA addresses that: "At least in terms of lizards, most that are unisexual species—when compared to the lineages of other lizards—have not been around very long". It then discusses how genes cloning themselves can be effective in the short term, but in the long term sex is better.

    7. Re:sexual reproduction by HeedlessYouth · · Score: 1

      There are actually a number of groups of asexual lizards like these. In the U.S. and Mexico, we have the genus Aspidoscelis (originally Cnemidophorus), known as whiptail lizards. There are about a dozen asexual species, each representing the hybridization of of a parrticular combination of sexual species. Some of the asexual species are even triploid, having chromosomes from three different species. (Most animals are diploid, with one set of chromosomes from each parent.) In Europe, they have the lacertid lizards. Interestingly, the U.S., European, and now these Vietnamese species all look quite similar - don't know what that means.

      In answer to some of the ideas you bring up, for the U.S. species most the asexual lines are probably thousands rather than millions of years old. Some species appear to consist of just one lineage (that is, all living individuals arose from a single original hybridization), while others appear to have had multiple hybridization events producing a variety of clones. It appears likely that, on average, members of asexual species are not quite as fit as members of sexual species - but asexual species have an advantage in reproductive rates. When everyone's a female, that means everyone lays eggs. In a sexual species, half the population just knocks up the other half but doesn't actually make any young. So, all else equal, all female populations reproduce twice as fast as sexual ones.

    8. Re:sexual reproduction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These lizards are adapted to walk over to your table at the restaurant and recommend the loin or ask if you'd rather have the blade or leg.

    9. Re:sexual reproduction by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      There are 24 billion chickens and 1.53 billion cows in the world. BEING TASTY TO HUMANS IS A SURVIVAL TRAIT!

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    10. Re:sexual reproduction by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, there are probably less than a million Bison left in the world, and they taste MUCH better than cows or chicken. Being tasty might be a survival trait today in some parts of the world, for some species, but it's also been rather detrimental at times.

    11. Re:sexual reproduction by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      Highly detrimental. I should say "Tasty and manageable" in the future.

      "We breed chicken/pig/cow to be a tasty treat. We're bred to eat that tasty meat."

      With allergies and such we might find that we've restricted ourselves to very limited food choices. Even now I know people who have limitations on what food they can eat to such an extreme that I'm amazed they can live.

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    12. Re:sexual reproduction by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      > Interestingly, the U.S., European, and now these Vietnamese species all look quite similar - don't know what that means.

      First guess- their probably all the same genus, and it's likely a genus that is particularly suited to such asexually reproducing hybrids ? That in itself could be a survival trait on the level of the genus as a whole. If one or both of the parent species died out the clones may still survive as it has the best genetic benefits of both.

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    13. Re:sexual reproduction by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      The survival trait seems to be "being tasty and easy to raise in great number". If that really is an evolutionary advantage in the long run remains to be seen. While the number of cattle, pigs and chicken greatly increased compared to the wild, the genetic diversity of their population strongly decreased. This is a severe disadvantage that hampers quick adaption should the conditions change. In case of the collapse of technological civilization, be it peak oil, nuclear war, an asteroid impact or the inevitable zombie apocalypse, most overbred lifestock animals are fucked.

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    14. Re:sexual reproduction by hitmark · · Score: 1

      Was there not something recently about a snake that reproduced asexually even tho it had gender? Something about it mixing different eggs to produce much the same effect as when mixing a egg and a sperm?

      And even single cell organisms can evolve "rapidly" if there is outside pressure. Hell, we already are seeing bacteria developing resistance to our most used ways of killing them. They may even be evolving that so fast that big pharma is uninterested in researching it, as the ROI will be to low...

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    15. Re:sexual reproduction by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      There are already documented species of lizards that reproduce sexually, except when the female is alone, in which case she can reproduce asexually. This is a huge advantage in repopulating burned out areas after forest fires. Reproducing only asexually would be a disadvantage in terms of adaptability, but being able to do both sexual and asexual reproduction is a huge advantage. I suspect they just haven't found any males of this species yet.

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    16. Re:sexual reproduction by HeedlessYouth · · Score: 1

      First guess- their probably all the same genus, and it's likely a genus that is particularly suited to such asexually reproducing hybrids ?

      Good thought, but no - different families, even.

      That in itself could be a survival trait on the level of the genus as a whole. If one or both of the parent species died out the clones may still survive as it has the best genetic benefits of both.

      Except that the clones typically don't have the best genetic benefits of both parents, at least based on what we've seen. A genus with 10 sexual species probably has better odds of surviving than one with 5 sexual and 5 asexual species.

    17. Re:sexual reproduction by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >Except that the clones typically don't have the best genetic benefits of both parents, at least based on what we've seen. A genus with 10 sexual species probably has better odds of surviving than one with 5 sexual and 5 asexual species.

      There is certainly some variation in this - the article even mentions the classic example - mules are hardier than either horses or donkeys despite being sterile.

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    18. Re:sexual reproduction by Philomage · · Score: 1

      I don't think that is as much of a disadvantage as most people think.

      I provide, as an example, feral dogs and feral pigs.

      Dogs that go feral start from one of the many breeds that we have of dogs, yet once they interbreed in "the wild," they breed back true to form. All pigs that go feral, in a very short few generations, regain hair and dark pigmentation.

      If humans ceased to exist tomorrow, the cattle, chickens and pigs that survive "the fall of man" will breed true to form and diversify quite easily. Humanity is only a recent, and probably short-lived, blight upon the planet. In spite of the intensive breeding that has gone on, it's still only a tiny change relative to what has happened before and will happen in the future.

    19. Re:sexual reproduction by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      I agree that dogs and pigs will probably have the best chances. Dairy cows, on the other hand? Don't see much chance for them - they'll be dead within weeks in the wild given their milk overproduction and tendency to get a fresh udder infection every other week.

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    20. Re:sexual reproduction by Philomage · · Score: 1

      And that is the point of evolution. Out of those billions of cows there will be some that won't "get a fresh udder infection every other week" and they'll win the evolutionary lottery.

      Don't kid yourself: the 1.53 billion cows quoted above is a very large number of cows; not only will some survive, but lots will survive in lots of areas -- enough to interact and to continue to survive generation to generation. (Though I try not to imagine the stench of 1.5299 billion dead cows!)

      But that's not even taking into account breeds of cattle that are not as greatly "overbred" as other breeds -- since we're talking about cattle, and not any one particular breed (like "dairy cows") anyway. There are plenty of near feral breeds of cattle to begin with.

      I have more fear for the bananas.

    21. Re:sexual reproduction by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Sure thing - I completely agree that the domesticated species will survive. As you say, there are enough of them to retain sufficient diversity. Guess my point was indeed kinda trivial - the evolutionary advantage of lifestock is temporary, as all evolutionary advantages are. They are highly adapted to coexistence with human civilization. It still feels like a dead end niche, though.

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    22. Re:sexual reproduction by Philomage · · Score: 1

      It's a niche adaptation... and like all niche adaptations, it's useful for as long as the niche exists.

      But the truly useful thing to being a tasty and easily domesticated animal is the fact that human beings will fling you to all corners of the planet so when the niche ceases to exist, there are cows all over the planet to test out their ability to adapt in a bunch of new niches.

      Being widespread is a huge evolutionary advantage whether the niche ceases to exist or not.

      Just look at apples, no longer confined to merely kajz... um, kadajeek... um, the middle of asia.

    23. Re:sexual reproduction by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Ahh, yeah. Hadn't thought of that one. I think you got the core advantage nailed down there. Well, I am just a biochemist. Everything above a purified single protein is too complex for me :P

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  17. AHAHAHA - WHAT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A female lizard that reproduces asexually? Sounds more like a lez-zard than a liz-zard amirite? Hi-five!
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    (c'mon yer leavin' me hangin'...)

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    1. Re:AHAHAHA - WHAT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lizzard Vicious

  18. Blends in by Neutral_Observer · · Score: 0

    with the environment. If I saw a chicken cross the road, I would just say, "Huh, a chicken!". But it could be a new species of chicken never before seen by "science" and i would think nothing of it. Just like seeing another lizard in the tropics. "Eew! a lizard!"

    1. Re:Blends in by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Hrm, "Neutral_Observer" responding to a lizard in the Tropics with "eew!"

      Does not compute!

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  19. Awesome headline by oldhack · · Score: 1

    Well done. Haha.

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  20. apropos Jurassic Park quote by Spectre · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dr. Wu: "You're implying that a group composed entirely of female animals will breed?"

    Ian: "No. I'm simply saying that life, uh, finds a way."

    Wow, Ian was right again ...

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  21. Predicted by The Onion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-delicious-species-discovered,1331/

  22. cloning means you do not need to be perfect at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cloning does not mean you must be perfect. The clone is genetically just as good as the parent, so you only must be able to live.

    The big advantage of sexual reproduction is that you get much more combinations, i.e. you can combine your faults much better and carry around a much bigger amount of faults.

    So clones are usually better, but only as long as the rules do not change. Once a fault gets a bonus because it gives you some immunity to some illness, the clones have a hard time, because they do not collect new faults that easily...

  23. Somewhere in a Vietnamese jungle... by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    there's a crazy lizard Snoo Snoo party going on.

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  24. This just in from the field! by DnemoniX · · Score: 1

    Yup tastes like chicken!

  25. Potential Problem by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    I think I speak for most Slashdotters when I say that hopefully scientists never find out what genes or other mechanisms allow these lizards to reproduce asexually and transplant them to humans. Because if they do, we're never gonna get laid.

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    1. Re:Potential Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I speak for most Slashdotters when I say that hopefully scientists never find out what genes or other mechanisms allow these lizards to reproduce asexually and transplant them to humans. Because if they do, we're never gonna get laid.

      Most Slashdotters get laid?

    2. Re:Potential Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're implying that humans have sex for the purpose of having offspring.

  26. I'll take the lizard. by Octopuscabbage · · Score: 1

    How they found out about this: "Hello waitress i would like lizard with fries, but I'm a nerd so i think i will study it before i eat it"

  27. It reminds me of Cronenberg's "eXistenZ" by Y-Crate · · Score: 1

    It featured a mysterious Chinese restaurant in the middle of the Canadian wilderness that served animals that were unknown to science.

    It's best watched back-to-back with "Naked Lunch".

  28. Are they served "RARE?" by Trip6 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thanks, I'm here all week.

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  29. So easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most diners were pleasantly surprised after their meals, when they found out they were saving 15% on their car insurance.

  30. Not our fault by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

    Would be easier to capture specimens if the locals would stop catching them all for food and medicine.

  31. Lez-zards don't hang anything, only tribulation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hanging? You've obviously not seen the mating ritual of 2 Whiptail lizards in Baja California, no strapon required, the one just jumps on the others back to "tribulation" until the one underneath is stimulated to ovulate. No other lizard does as the Whiptail lizards. A Mediterranean gecko miraculously conceives with no interaction. More interesting than Whiptails and Geckos, or even the ones in Thailand, are the Knite lizards along the Islands outside of souther California; they bear live young with actual umbilical cords to placentae unlike the egg-shell incubators of other reptiles.

    Besides, parthogenesis in people is well known; it stems from the fact that all living creatures are actually in a caste system: the base of the human brain is known as the Archon Center and identical to all reptiles despite reptiles having not the additional brain matter above the Archon Center that makes them man. This is the basis for all complex nervous systems to establish biological footprint of impulse and urge, then the addition is a reciprocal turing effect (man) that allows the former animal to "un-descend" or "ascend" back into a higher character where it's thought process and emotion determine it's physiology and capacity rather than the evolutionary primitives. The same traits are seen that Homo Erectus/Africanus on Africa have a more-developed Archon Center suggesting they are animals whereas Homo Europa/Neanderthal have a less-developed Archon Center and greater-brain matter suggesting they are a continuum of a non-native organization/organism (perhaps Mars, judging by their physiology to seasons of the Mars orbit and rotational day hours difference).e

  32. According to which definition of species? by srussia · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    1. Re:According to which definition of species? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Leiolepis genus.

      The only problem is that classic organization doesn't hold up well to new understandings.

      An issue that will be fixed.

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  33. Fly Soup? You at a Stripper Restaurant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a Stripper Restaurant, the soup cums out of the fly.

  34. Same situation by Trebawa · · Score: 1

    The New Mexico Whiptail is another lizard in the exact same situation. It's a hybrid of two other whiptails, and reproduces exclusively through parthenogenesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnemidophorus_neomexicanus

  35. Re:sexual reproduction -- not that unique by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not the only lizard only know as a female--the New Mexico Whiptail is also only known as a female, reproducing only through parthenogenesis....

  36. Re:Lez-zards don't hang anything, only tribulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't they tell you it was dangerous to go off your meds?

  37. How about McDonald burgers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do they reproduce asexually too?

  38. I'm on a Mexican Radio by crtreece · · Score: 1
    Who-ooa

    Wish I was in

    Tijuana

    Eating Bar B Qued iguana

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  39. Want to be a millionaire? by climenole · · Score: 1

    Just found a lizard in your Big Mac, sue McDonald and... you know how to do... :D

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  40. Re:Lez-zards don't hang anything, only tribulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, you need a different hobby

  41. Going waaay back in history... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dodos.

  42. Cryptobiology right on your plate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mmmmm cryptobiology