The closer the programming environment can come to providing domain-relevant expression tools to the user, the better they will be able to create programs that fit their domain.
Well said.
Nobody does accounting better than an accountant.
But its not always the best Idea to hand data system development to an accountant and hope for the best. Some one has to guide that guy doing the data editing, manipulation, and storage just like that guy has to guide the programmer how to keep his company books, file taxes, etc.
And this is where the current crop of tools fail. They let you build things that can go horribly wrong, because of simple errors that a professional programmer might have caught. They are like a bag of wrenches being a substitute for a good auto mechanic. (Obligatory car analogy).
We probably need better design tools, that can capture what it is the accountant wants in terms of inputs, outputs, retention, and quality assurance. Then the code cutting can be done by specialists, or generated code, as the situation dictates.
The integrated IDEs arose to allow the hobbyist and corporate IT newbie turn out something, which has a good chance of being functional if not maintainable or efficient. These tools also allow specialists from other fields (accountants, meteorologists, scientists) actually turn out products.
Efficiency, maintainability and extensibility don't matter for that type of programmer. They just need to put up a few screens to count the widgets or produce the daily report. It doesn't have to be portable,or efficient, and chances are it will be tossed as soon as that programmer moves on to another job.
Those programmers do manage to turn out a reasonable amount of customized applications, some of which are actually marketable. The vast majority are for in-house use. But some actually work quite well for specialized industry applications like Medical Billing, where the knowledge of the subject matter is more important than the efficiency of the code.
OS level code has to be much more efficient, and there is no substitution for knowing the programming language, the processor capabilities, and the compiler peculiarities. You can not leave to some IDE the task of putting code behind a button that will drag in half a ton of MS Foundation Classes or use some particular C/C++ construct that is horribly inefficient. You are basically always dealing with some data stream or message and doing X Y and Z with it and handing it off to the next task.
As such these guys virtually never see a piece of data all the way thru the computer. Their customers are other pieces of software. Their wholesaler are yet more pieces of software. Its data-in, whack it, pound it, and pass it on sort of code, and a lot of it, and a lot of self plagiarism. The IDEs just get in the way.
So you are speculating that an ENTIRE RIVER would be put thru such a plant? That there would be NO NORMAL outflow of that river? And that there exists a creature that must move from one salinity to another, and simply moving upstream would not do?
* Why not spend it on setting up a totally new energy infrastructure?
Ok, have you had time to take your meds yet?
The amount of money required for India to set up a monitoring structure is in no way adequate to the task of setting up a totally new energy infrastructure.
Nor was India involved in any way in a $900 billion bailout.
If you won't read the article, and you won't read the summary, at LEAST read the TITLE where you will find the first word is INDIA.
In general, very few countries are willing to extradite their own citizens. Including the US. And, in fact, sending people to the US is worse than most other places as the constitution only applies to citizens.
All it says is that salty water will be discharged into SALTY WATER.
Further this will all happen at the river's mouth where fresh water is mixing with salty water already.
It won't be any saltier than the sea water, because it is a mixture of fresh and salt water, discharged directly to where fresh and salt water have been mixing for millions of years.
Osmosis does not create or destroy any salt content. Fresh river water is mixed with salt water from the sea and discharged EXACTLY where it would have been discharged by nature with the EXACT same average salinity as the mixed water at the rivers mouth.
Any animal that can't tolerate this would not be there. Because the mixing has been going on at least since the Pleistocene all local animals are already adapted to it.
The wiki article says nothing, and seems to suggest the author is not cognizant of the fact that these facilities are planned for locations where river water meets the sea. But then it is wikipedia.
He gets those things from the same place that any other person gets those things when they find them self in the dock for having committed a crime.
What is your point?
If he wanted the creature comforts of home he should have attacked the MOD computers not the DOD.
Where did you see ANY statement of Maximum Security prison? Those are reserved for murders and others likely to try to escape. Far more likely he would spend time in one of the white collar prison campuses reserved for non-violent offenders. As for 70 years, guess again. You can shoot a policeman in the face in the US and be out in 10 years.
Stop hyperventilating. He will get a much fairer trial in the US than the Brazilian Gent got while rushing to board a train in London.
Seriously... Why are we bothering with this nonsense. There is no way this system can produce that much power and it seems ridiculously destructive to the environment.
Whoa.. What destruction?
These plants are located where fresh water meets salt water, at the mouth of rivers.
There is no destruction.
As for capacity, "the technology has the global potential to generate clean, renewable energy equivalent to China's total electricity consumption in 2002 or half of the EU's total power production (some 1600 to 1700 Twh)"
So, wrong on both counts.
Now DO GO BACK AND READ TFA before you climb on you high horse...
Such power plants could be located wherever sea water and fresh water meet, such as the mouth of a river. They run without producing noise pollution or polluting emissions.
Look, its simple. The river water was flowing into the sea for millions of years. The fish have adapted.
You do realize this is located at the mouths of rivers, where fresh water was and will continue to mix with salt?
You had to read ALL THE WAY down to the 4th Paragraph to find:
such power plants could be located wherever sea water and fresh water meet, such as the mouth of a river. They run without producing noise pollution or polluting emissions
So any mixing of fresh and salt has been going on in these very same locations for millions of years and is perfectly normal.
The money probably is much better spent in other more deserving development efforts.
It seems likely they are more interested in cross-boarder calls than from housewife to local market or mobile to mobile.
I suspect these intercepts would be used for after-the-fact interdiction rather than prevention of terrorism. In such cases, having the conversations on hard drive or tape is more important than someone finding the odd word or phrase that signals an attack.
As for the money being better spent, I submit that in this economy ANY spending by government is as useful as any other, and training people for high-tech jobs in telecommunications is probably as worth while as any equivalent spending on water or sewer or street projects.
With VNC person in need of assistance can ADD YOUR Listening Client from inside their firewall.
So GrandMa can be told to Launch VNC-Server in User Mode, and ADD Tech-Wiz-Grandkid's viewer which was started in Listening Viewer mode. Presumabley TechWiz has no problem piercing his own firewall.
But after the first time doing this you can quickly see that having a route thru GrandMa's router to her PC is the best solution. Yo don't need to start the VNC server, instead rely on GrandMA to start a user-mode server each time its needed. This means that the route thru GrandMa's firewall is harmless because nothing is listening on that port.
The equipment to carry out this snooping is easily spotted, and more easily foiled.
With more than one voting station in the room, said eaves dropper could never distinguish one vote from the other, and could certainly not CHANGE the results.
Another thing you can do on most modern web enabled phones is look up phrases like Begs the Question and see what a fool you are making of yourself prior to posting on slashdot.
I suspect you over estimate the amount of data being collected and how unsuitable some data may be for any other purpose.
Ignoring the obvious, that space is a huge space, you can hardly expect optical telescope sky scans used to detect, say, Kuiper belt objects in visible light to be suitable for detecting dark matter. Quasar signals won't be useful to detect the slight wobble induced by a planet in a star's motion.
Everywhere you look on this planet there are cameras and cell phones and radios, seismographs and weather stations. We have telescopes, space stations, and radio survey webs.
Read the whole thread before rushing to post. Canonical is complying with the patent holders requirements with this method. The button downloads the software directly from the patent holders site, which even you should be able to see requires the consent and approval of the provider.
The FIRST thing you run into in any search is what a bunch of BS the whole thing is. You really have to dig to find any site that 1) suggests there is a shred of evidence and 2) is believable.
Why is it that there is this fascination with ancient knowledge and the automatic assumption that ancient people were automatically smarter than the best scientists of today?
What makes people trust a misinterpreted stone tablet that some one suggests predicts the return of some mystery planet that Radar can not see?
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The closer the programming environment can come to providing domain-relevant expression tools to the user, the better they will be able to create programs that fit their domain.
Well said.
Nobody does accounting better than an accountant.
But its not always the best Idea to hand data system development to an accountant and hope for the best. Some one has to guide that guy doing the data editing, manipulation, and storage just like that guy has to guide the programmer how to keep his company books, file taxes, etc.
And this is where the current crop of tools fail. They let you build things that can go horribly wrong, because of simple errors that a professional programmer might have caught. They are like a bag of wrenches being a substitute for a good auto mechanic. (Obligatory car analogy).
We probably need better design tools, that can capture what it is the accountant wants in terms of inputs, outputs, retention, and quality assurance. Then the code cutting can be done by specialists, or generated code, as the situation dictates.
Well you are very close to the mark here.
The integrated IDEs arose to allow the hobbyist and corporate IT newbie turn out something, which has a good chance of being functional if not maintainable or efficient. These tools also allow specialists from other fields (accountants, meteorologists, scientists) actually turn out products.
Efficiency, maintainability and extensibility don't matter for that type of programmer. They just need to put up a few screens to count the widgets or produce the daily report. It doesn't have to be portable,or efficient, and chances are it will be tossed as soon as that programmer moves on to another job.
Those programmers do manage to turn out a reasonable amount of customized applications, some of which are actually marketable. The vast majority are for in-house use. But some actually work quite well for specialized industry applications like Medical Billing, where the knowledge of the subject matter is more important than the efficiency of the code.
OS level code has to be much more efficient, and there is no substitution for knowing the programming language, the processor capabilities, and the compiler peculiarities. You can not leave to some IDE the task of putting code behind a button that will drag in half a ton of MS Foundation Classes or use some particular C/C++ construct that is horribly inefficient. You are basically always dealing with some data stream or message and doing X Y and Z with it and handing it off to the next task.
As such these guys virtually never see a piece of data all the way thru the computer. Their customers are other pieces of software. Their wholesaler are yet more pieces of software. Its data-in, whack it, pound it, and pass it on sort of code, and a lot of it, and a lot of self plagiarism. The IDEs just get in the way.
But the marshes where this change from fresh to ocean water usually takes place is bypassed, destroying the local ecology.
Really?
You think it is possible given our current technology to divert the entire Mississippi thru an Osmosis plant?
You sir, are delusional.
Besides, the silt load of the Mississippi makes it fundamentally unsuited for this, because it would clog the osmosis membrane.
There is no temperature gradient involved.
Osmosis is NOT the same as a water source heat pump.
So you are speculating that an ENTIRE RIVER would be put thru such a plant? That there would be NO NORMAL outflow of that river? And that there exists a creature that must move from one salinity to another, and simply moving upstream would not do?
Quite a reach, don't you think?
No, it won't discharge more salt.
Take sea water.
Take river water.
Discharge into the mixing zone at the river's mouth.
You do not discharge into the RIVER. There is no Down stream to worry about.
Did you miss the part where it said these plants will be built at the river's mouth?
* Why not spend it on setting up a totally new energy infrastructure?
Ok, have you had time to take your meds yet?
The amount of money required for India to set up a monitoring structure is in no way adequate to the task of setting up a totally new energy infrastructure.
Nor was India involved in any way in a $900 billion bailout.
If you won't read the article, and you won't read the summary, at LEAST read the TITLE where you will find the first word is INDIA.
In general, very few countries are willing to extradite their own citizens. Including the US. And, in fact, sending people to the US is worse than most other places as the constitution only applies to citizens.
Not so.
There went your whole argument.
But did you actually READ that wiki link?
All it says is that salty water will be discharged into SALTY WATER.
Further this will all happen at the river's mouth where fresh water is mixing with salty water already.
It won't be any saltier than the sea water, because it is a mixture of fresh and salt water, discharged directly to where fresh and salt water have been mixing for millions of years.
Osmosis does not create or destroy any salt content. Fresh river water is mixed with salt water from the sea and discharged EXACTLY where it would have been discharged by nature with the EXACT same average salinity as the mixed water at the rivers mouth.
Any animal that can't tolerate this would not be there. Because the mixing has been going on at least since the Pleistocene all local animals are already adapted to it.
The wiki article says nothing, and seems to suggest the author is not cognizant of the fact that these facilities are planned for locations where river water meets the sea. But then it is wikipedia.
He gets those things from the same place that any other person gets those things when they find them self in the dock for having committed a crime.
What is your point?
If he wanted the creature comforts of home he should have attacked the MOD computers not the DOD.
Where did you see ANY statement of Maximum Security prison? Those are reserved for murders and others likely to try to escape. Far more likely he would spend time in one of the white collar prison campuses reserved for non-violent offenders. As for 70 years, guess again. You can shoot a policeman in the face in the US and be out in 10 years.
Stop hyperventilating. He will get a much fairer trial in the US than the Brazilian Gent got while rushing to board a train in London.
Seriously... Why are we bothering with this nonsense. There is no way this system can produce that much power and it seems ridiculously destructive to the environment.
Whoa.. What destruction?
These plants are located where fresh water meets salt water, at the mouth of rivers.
There is no destruction.
As for capacity, "the technology has the global potential to generate clean, renewable energy equivalent to China's total electricity consumption in 2002 or half of the EU's total power production (some 1600 to 1700 Twh)"
So, wrong on both counts.
Now DO GO BACK AND READ TFA before you climb on you high horse...
So much handwringing...
From TFA:
Such power plants could be located wherever sea water and fresh water meet, such as the mouth of a river. They run without producing noise pollution or polluting emissions.
Look, its simple. The river water was flowing into the sea for millions of years. The fish have adapted.
Calm down.
You do realize this is located at the mouths of rivers, where fresh water was and will continue to mix with salt?
You had to read ALL THE WAY down to the 4th Paragraph to find:
such power plants could be located wherever sea water and fresh water meet, such as the mouth of a river. They run without producing noise pollution or polluting emissions
So any mixing of fresh and salt has been going on in these very same locations for millions of years and is perfectly normal.
Somehow I think the Local Ecology will survive.
That hardly characterizes the majority of India.
The money probably is much better spent in other more deserving development efforts.
It seems likely they are more interested in cross-boarder calls than from housewife to local market or mobile to mobile.
I suspect these intercepts would be used for after-the-fact interdiction rather than prevention of terrorism. In such cases, having the conversations on hard drive or tape is more important than someone finding the odd word or phrase that signals an attack.
As for the money being better spent, I submit that in this economy ANY spending by government is as useful as any other, and training people for high-tech jobs in telecommunications is probably as worth while as any equivalent spending on water or sewer or street projects.
Unjust extradition?
Since when? If he committed a crime against the people of another country. Why should he be immune from trial by jury just because he did it remotely?
You make it sound like he is going to be summarily executed the moment he steps off the plane.
With VNC person in need of assistance can ADD YOUR Listening Client from inside their firewall.
So GrandMa can be told to Launch VNC-Server in User Mode, and ADD Tech-Wiz-Grandkid's viewer
which was started in Listening Viewer mode. Presumabley TechWiz has no problem
piercing his own firewall.
http://deadlytechnology.com/general/remote-support-using-a-listening-vnc-viewer/
But after the first time doing this you can quickly see that having a route thru GrandMa's router
to her PC is the best solution. Yo don't need to start the VNC server, instead rely on GrandMA to start
a user-mode server each time its needed. This means that the route thru GrandMa's firewall is
harmless because nothing is listening on that port.
Exactly so.
The equipment to carry out this snooping is easily spotted, and more easily foiled.
With more than one voting station in the room, said eaves dropper could never distinguish one vote from the other, and could certainly not CHANGE the results.
You would be better able to guess how persons voted by the color of their tie. http://www.tie-necktie-video.com/tie-color.html
Another thing you can do on most modern web enabled phones is look up phrases like Begs the Question and see what a fool you are making of yourself prior to posting on slashdot.
http://begthequestion.info/
Brought to you by the obligatory and gratuitous grammar snarks.
I suspect you over estimate the amount of data being collected and how unsuitable some data may be for any other purpose.
Ignoring the obvious, that space is a huge space, you can hardly expect optical telescope sky scans used to detect, say, Kuiper belt objects in visible light to be suitable for detecting dark matter. Quasar signals won't be useful to detect the slight wobble induced by a planet in a star's motion.
Everywhere you look on this planet there are cameras and cell phones and radios, seismographs and weather stations.
We have telescopes, space stations, and radio survey webs.
Yet we missed the asteroid that passed on November 9th till it was only 15 hours away.
http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/09/surprise-unknown-asteroid-buzzed-earth/
Just because you have data doesn't mean its useful for all purposes, or any other purpose that that for which it was collected.
How could you possibly?
They won't even admit to the total number of cameras, let alone where all of them are!!
Why in a democracy should the number of cameras be a secret?
In what sane system do local police have SECRETS anyway? Why should they, other than for witness protection or undercover operations?
Yet they refuse to say how many cameras they have and where they are.
Rather than trying to get the footage, try getting the count and location first.
Good luck with that.
See anyone suing Canonical ?
No I thought not.
Read the whole thread before rushing to post.
Canonical is complying with the patent holders requirements with this method. The button downloads the software directly from the patent holders site, which even you should be able to see requires the consent and approval of the provider.
The FIRST thing you run into in any search is what a bunch of BS the whole thing is. You really have to dig to find any site that 1) suggests there is a shred of evidence and 2) is believable.
Why is it that there is this fascination with ancient knowledge and the automatic assumption that ancient people were automatically smarter than the best scientists of today?
What makes people trust a misinterpreted stone tablet that some one suggests predicts the return of some mystery planet that Radar can not see?
Stupidity.
>The western world does not consist of the USA.
Ubuntu is based in europe. Europe is considered part of the western world.
Europe has software patents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patent#Europe
So.... wrong on all counts.
Clearly you don't understand how that button works or why its there.
It is there so Ubuntu does not have to bundle drivers that are not OSS.
It causes these drivers to be downloaded directly from the FREE website of the driver manufacturers, be it AMD, Nvidia, Broadcom, or whatever.
No copyrights or patents violated.
Canonical IS based in the western world last time i checked.