Oh, of course, you just expect to get something for nothing, right? There's a reason why OmniWeb and Opera charge for their browsers -- they offer more powerful applications with a wider range of features. And of course, they don't fund their development from operating system sales or random volunteer work...
Did you ever try using OmniWeb? Do you have any idea how many features have been packed into that little package?
Very pretty, but not nearly as useful in the real world;
As opposed to the tendency of Camino or Safari to squish the tabs down until you can hardly read their titles? I'd much rather be able to scroll through my tabs (not to mention drag-n-drop to reorganize them!) than be forced to stick to a single order of tabs.
I was initially very dubious of OmniWeb's tabs, but after using them for a week or so I really started to see the benefits. You should give it another try.
Camino just doesn't bring anything vital to the table.
I strongly disagree. Camino is ideal for Mac users who want to have a pleasing, streamlined application but also need (or want) the features offered by Gecko. It's effectively the best of both worlds -- the power of the Mozilla-based rendering with the power of a native OS X application. Firefox (IMO) is just for Windows switchers who desperately need to have a familiar interface.
Of course, I definitely agree that OmniWeb trumps them all! (I've been using OW5 since the second beta back in February.)
You obviously didn't RTFA... the entire point of Camino is that it's a browser designed specifically for Mac OS X, and therefore includes features and compatibility that Firefox and Mozilla don't (and can't).
Thanks for clarifying the meaning of the name "WinFS" -- especially because many news media sources are getting the purpose of WinFS wrong! For example, this Reuters article says that WinFS is a whole new file system. Go figure.
Funny, I was thinking of Farenheit 451 more than the Matrix. It's really sounding like the ignorant culture of 451 with the advanced computer technology of tomorrow tossed in.
Plus, it'll take years for the DoJ proceedings to go through, even if they get started in the first place. By that point, the whole issue will be moot.
How exactly did we (and by that I assume you mean the US DoJ) actually "nail" Microsoft? Last I heard, they got off with nothing more than a light slap on the wrist. They haven't changed their predatory business practices one bit since then, either.
Don't overestimate Microsoft's capabilities -- they're not infallible. A huge part of the reason why Netscape lost the First Browser War was because they did themselves in. It remains to be seen whether Google will make mistakes as well.
Translation: No one can be sure what will happen; all we know is that whoever doesn't screw up first, is the one who will win the Search Engine War.
That's a very interesting idea, and as an Apple user I'd certainly like to see more alliances of that sort. However, I question the practicality of an Apple-Google relationship, because Apple clearly is already working on their own desktop search functions to integrate into Tiger. Why gerry-rig someone else's program to fit your needs when you can write your own from scratch?
That being said, maybe Apple could use something like Google's algorithms for ranking results, so that the more useful documents get returned first. Not sure how well that would translate to the desktop, however. After all, Google does what it does so well because it relies on PageRank. There's no similar hyperlink structure among documents on a hard drive. The only thing you could maybe base a ranking system on would be the number of times a specific document has been opened. (But maybe Tiger already has something like that, I don't know.)
OmniWeb 5.0 has an RSS reader built right into the bookmarks manager, which is really neat. If only they could let us change the length of the headlines that show up in the Dock menu to something greater than just 30 characters...
Apple is different because Apple is not a convicted monopolist. And besides, in the IE court case, the issue was using Internet Explorer as an integrated part of the OS to the point where you couldn't get rid of it, whereas Dashboard is NOT integrated, it just uses many of the same components as other parts of the system. No one's going to be holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to use Dashboard instead of Konfabulator. If Konfabulator is really that much better, then people will buy it anyway.
How do I know? I've got a paid license for OmniWeb 5, which I'm using instead of Safari. I bought the license for OmniWeb because I tried it out and decided that it was better than the free browser that Apple ships with the OS.
If that was supposed to be a joke, then it was in poor taste. I'm sick of seeing Apple getting blamed for just doing their job -- developing better software.
Your post was basically propagating the popular myth that's floating around from paranoid and indignant developers about a product that hasn't even been released yet.
Widgets as a layer of the desktop was not invented for Konfabulator.
Widgets as an Exposé layer was only implemented in Konfabulator last Friday, pointing to parallel development rather than a ripoff.
All this hubbub about Apple supposedly ripping off of Konfabulator is bullshit. Konfabulator doesn't have a monopoly on the idea, and from what I've heard from the developers themselves, Dashboard is going to be at least partially different from Konfabulator. Not to mention that the idea of little programs called "Widgets" have been around for years.
But if the Konfabulator developers would rather moan and whine instead of develop a better product, then that's fine by me. I know better.
I'm a little surprised that Big Bang Chess won not one, but two awards. Maybe it's just that this year's crop of candidates aren't as "impressive" as previous years -- I wouldn't compare BBC to, say, OmniWeb (a previous recipient of Best OS X Product Award).
Of course, I'm not a developer myself, so I can't exactly judge too well, but based on what I do know, it seems to be a strange decision.
Reagan of course inherits quite a bit of undeserved congratulations as a result. If the collapse had come in 1980 the pudits would have said Regan's mere election had caused the collapse.
You fail to realize the reasons why the Soviet Union collapsed. The USSR folded because they drove their own economy into the ground. And they drove their own economy into the ground because they were trying to keep pace with Reagan's astronomical military expenditures. Say what you will about the national debt under Reagan (and I'm not saying it was entirely a good thing), but it was the US's massive spending that induced the Soviets to spend themselves out.
It's got to be that fewer spam messages are being reported. I've noticed lately that the amount of spam I've received has been slowly going UP, from around 80 junk messages per day to around 100.
Of course, any one e-mail address can't equal a scientific survey, but still...
The comment about warranties from the date of manufacture is bullsh*t. I bought my iBook the first week of November 2001. I didn't buy AppleCare because I didn't have the money for it (me being a college student and all), but sure enough, I got a call the first week of November 2002 from an Apple rep, asking me if I wanted to buy the extended warranty. They wouldn't have done that if the warranty expired from the date of manufacture!
There are exactly two Apple resellers within 50 miles of where I live -- a CompUSA and a small-time shop, both of them about 30 miles from my house. There was a third, a few years ago, that was about 10 miles away. I called them once, asking for information about buying a replacement power adapter after the cat chewed on the wire of my old one. Suffice to say, they were no help at all -- and I ended up ordering via the online Apple Store. Now the reseller shop I called is out of business, and I'm not surprised one bit.
The simple fact is, buying direct from Apple gets you much better service, on average. Like the parent says, there might be a few good ones out there, but the rest of them probably deserve to go out of business -- assuming they don't improve, anyways.
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Oh, of course, you just expect to get something for nothing, right? There's a reason why OmniWeb and Opera charge for their browsers -- they offer more powerful applications with a wider range of features. And of course, they don't fund their development from operating system sales or random volunteer work...
Did you ever try using OmniWeb? Do you have any idea how many features have been packed into that little package?
Very pretty, but not nearly as useful in the real world;
As opposed to the tendency of Camino or Safari to squish the tabs down until you can hardly read their titles? I'd much rather be able to scroll through my tabs (not to mention drag-n-drop to reorganize them!) than be forced to stick to a single order of tabs.
I was initially very dubious of OmniWeb's tabs, but after using them for a week or so I really started to see the benefits. You should give it another try.
Camino just doesn't bring anything vital to the table.
I strongly disagree. Camino is ideal for Mac users who want to have a pleasing, streamlined application but also need (or want) the features offered by Gecko. It's effectively the best of both worlds -- the power of the Mozilla-based rendering with the power of a native OS X application. Firefox (IMO) is just for Windows switchers who desperately need to have a familiar interface.
Of course, I definitely agree that OmniWeb trumps them all! (I've been using OW5 since the second beta back in February.)
You obviously didn't RTFA... the entire point of Camino is that it's a browser designed specifically for Mac OS X, and therefore includes features and compatibility that Firefox and Mozilla don't (and can't).
Thanks for clarifying the meaning of the name "WinFS" -- especially because many news media sources are getting the purpose of WinFS wrong! For example, this Reuters article says that WinFS is a whole new file system. Go figure.
Mod parent up!
I'm thinking "Lord of the Rings" here.
Five rings to rule them all,
Five rings to bind them,
Five rings to bring them all,
And with the marketing bind them.
My thoughts exactly. When I saw the headline, I was wondering why the heck LiveJournal would be giving out awards for database servers...
I'm thinking more along the lines of Mafia-style protection payments here. "You pay us, and we don't link to your site." Heh.
Funny, I was thinking of Farenheit 451 more than the Matrix. It's really sounding like the ignorant culture of 451 with the advanced computer technology of tomorrow tossed in.
Plus, it'll take years for the DoJ proceedings to go through, even if they get started in the first place. By that point, the whole issue will be moot.
How exactly did we (and by that I assume you mean the US DoJ) actually "nail" Microsoft? Last I heard, they got off with nothing more than a light slap on the wrist. They haven't changed their predatory business practices one bit since then, either.
Don't overestimate Microsoft's capabilities -- they're not infallible. A huge part of the reason why Netscape lost the First Browser War was because they did themselves in. It remains to be seen whether Google will make mistakes as well.
Translation: No one can be sure what will happen; all we know is that whoever doesn't screw up first, is the one who will win the Search Engine War.
No, in that case, Microsoft actually did put out a better product, at least for a time (IE4 vis a vis NN4).
That's a very interesting idea, and as an Apple user I'd certainly like to see more alliances of that sort. However, I question the practicality of an Apple-Google relationship, because Apple clearly is already working on their own desktop search functions to integrate into Tiger. Why gerry-rig someone else's program to fit your needs when you can write your own from scratch?
That being said, maybe Apple could use something like Google's algorithms for ranking results, so that the more useful documents get returned first. Not sure how well that would translate to the desktop, however. After all, Google does what it does so well because it relies on PageRank. There's no similar hyperlink structure among documents on a hard drive. The only thing you could maybe base a ranking system on would be the number of times a specific document has been opened. (But maybe Tiger already has something like that, I don't know.)
OmniWeb 5.0 has an RSS reader built right into the bookmarks manager, which is really neat. If only they could let us change the length of the headlines that show up in the Dock menu to something greater than just 30 characters...
Apple is different because Apple is not a convicted monopolist. And besides, in the IE court case, the issue was using Internet Explorer as an integrated part of the OS to the point where you couldn't get rid of it, whereas Dashboard is NOT integrated, it just uses many of the same components as other parts of the system. No one's going to be holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to use Dashboard instead of Konfabulator. If Konfabulator is really that much better, then people will buy it anyway.
How do I know? I've got a paid license for OmniWeb 5, which I'm using instead of Safari. I bought the license for OmniWeb because I tried it out and decided that it was better than the free browser that Apple ships with the OS.
If that was supposed to be a joke, then it was in poor taste. I'm sick of seeing Apple getting blamed for just doing their job -- developing better software.
Your post was basically propagating the popular myth that's floating around from paranoid and indignant developers about a product that hasn't even been released yet.
- Widgets were not invented for Konfabulator.
- Widgets as a layer of the desktop was not invented for Konfabulator.
- Widgets as an Exposé layer was only implemented in Konfabulator last Friday, pointing to parallel development rather than a ripoff.
All this hubbub about Apple supposedly ripping off of Konfabulator is bullshit. Konfabulator doesn't have a monopoly on the idea, and from what I've heard from the developers themselves, Dashboard is going to be at least partially different from Konfabulator. Not to mention that the idea of little programs called "Widgets" have been around for years.But if the Konfabulator developers would rather moan and whine instead of develop a better product, then that's fine by me. I know better.
I'm a little surprised that Big Bang Chess won not one, but two awards. Maybe it's just that this year's crop of candidates aren't as "impressive" as previous years -- I wouldn't compare BBC to, say, OmniWeb (a previous recipient of Best OS X Product Award).
Of course, I'm not a developer myself, so I can't exactly judge too well, but based on what I do know, it seems to be a strange decision.
It's got to be that fewer spam messages are being reported. I've noticed lately that the amount of spam I've received has been slowly going UP, from around 80 junk messages per day to around 100.
Of course, any one e-mail address can't equal a scientific survey, but still...
The comment about warranties from the date of manufacture is bullsh*t. I bought my iBook the first week of November 2001. I didn't buy AppleCare because I didn't have the money for it (me being a college student and all), but sure enough, I got a call the first week of November 2002 from an Apple rep, asking me if I wanted to buy the extended warranty. They wouldn't have done that if the warranty expired from the date of manufacture!
There are exactly two Apple resellers within 50 miles of where I live -- a CompUSA and a small-time shop, both of them about 30 miles from my house. There was a third, a few years ago, that was about 10 miles away. I called them once, asking for information about buying a replacement power adapter after the cat chewed on the wire of my old one. Suffice to say, they were no help at all -- and I ended up ordering via the online Apple Store. Now the reseller shop I called is out of business, and I'm not surprised one bit.
The simple fact is, buying direct from Apple gets you much better service, on average. Like the parent says, there might be a few good ones out there, but the rest of them probably deserve to go out of business -- assuming they don't improve, anyways.
Uh, no -- it says "EVEN IF", meaning that you can get arrested either way.
I believe that the original post specified cross-platform, including Macintosh. Skype does not work on the Mac.