And what's more, the left and right chanels are encoded into the one groove. So the media is flawed before it is even played. This reduces chanel seperation to audible levels and does'nt even come close to that of CD.
Plus, the heat generated on the needle, melts all sound 15kHz and up after a few plays. If taken care of, CD is digital perfect for longer than we will live.
And, at the top end, a human hears a 20kHz square, triangle, sine or complex waveform as a 20kHz sine wave. This is due to the fact that a pure waveform of only one frequency (in audio and electromagnetics) is made up of nothing more than a sine waveform at that same frequency. A square wave or anything other than a sine is made up of a base sine plus many other higher frequency sines that build the "sharper features". These higher frequency sines are attenuated to oblivion by our ears and audio digital sampling filters.
I can't stand hearing these "audiophiles" crap on about analogue quality. They say stuff like "...this tube amp gives a mellow warmth...", I call it distortion.
I wish they'd just get over the fact that analog has only small parts in the highest quality systems. High quality analog is still needed before the transducers, but holding on to analog media is a mistake to say the very least.
A $150 digital player will far outperform a $20,000 analogue player and that is a pretty sad state of affairs.
"If someone was to reverse-engineer blizzard's protocol for diablo2 or starcraft it would be so that they could pirate the games"
Huh? You don't have to reverse engineer a protocol to pirate a game. Infact, I've seen a pirate copy of Starcraft that had a better installer than the original game.
Tom is often biased. He was blindly supporting 3DFX after he received some "free" 3DFX cards and then all of a sudden he starts blindly supporting nVidia cards after his site receives an "approved nVidia review site" emblem.
During his 3DFX support campaign, he would often gloss over differences in the benchmark "comparisons" and have misleading explanations to his results which often did'nt agree with the other review/benchmark sites if it would show negativity to his "boss".
As an example, when benchmarking a Voodoo2 and Voodoo2 SLI setup with some other cards using a custom Quake2 map with extra high polygon and texture detail, the Voodoo2 SLI was absolutely blown away by a single 16Mb Matrox G200! This was obviously due to the limits of the PCI bus (which gives ~80MB/s after contention)of the SLI V2's which was being used heavily due to the available onboard memory of the V2's being half their SLI total minus the required frame buffers (the memory contents in both V2's in an SLI configuration are exact duplicates to allow the feature to work). But no mention of the PCI bus being a limiting factor on the Voodoo2's and no mention of the cheapo little G200 running almost 2x faster in that scenario thanks to its AGP bus.
What's more, a lot of info at Toms is ripped from elsewhere and glossed up.
Take your Linux and 'DeCSS' and leave my Free Country, dammit! If Karma were a measure of idiocy, you would be a fucking guru. Because the MP3 format allows much easier transfers and storage of music, would you call the creators of it pirates? Perhaps the people behind lzw compression should be locked up since lots of leet pir8 warez are ziped? Cigarette companies make products that are addictive to the point of death, and they're getting away with it. Jon builds a DVD player for his prefered OS and he is the big bad guy? Wake the hell up, Jon made programs to build towards a Linux DVD player. If the stupid companies cared about their authentication/encryption system, their consumers, or even if they had a clue, they would have locked in down legally with patents and copyrights. No, but they did'nt, for fear that it would be used outside of what they can control. Well guess what, bad move fools, under estimating thousands of extremely talented techos which are all linked electronically spanning many.gov's is something you most definitely cannot beat. They have themselves to blame. I support his actions and point of view morally and financially. Moron.
Speaking of "gala" events. When Win98 was about to go on sale in Sydney au., hundreds of morons lined up for hours outside Harvey Norman to get a copy along with some crap "free" software.
How many bugs were found in the 1/3 of the Win98 source code that was allowed to be viewed by a lawyer by court order? 3000? For only $99.95!
Another post from someone that obviously has player Starcraft for a whole 5 minutes and made up their mind that it is crap.
"no way to order patrols", perhaps you should try that pesky P key.
"Units on the move would take pot shots at any enemy units they went by--something StarCraft can't figure out what to do. StarCraft Terran marines will run RIGHT BY enemy units and completely ignore them until they finish their "move" command.", once again, that oh so ellusive A key comes in handy to make units attack on the way to their destination.
Command queuing would be nice for Starcraft, but it's not that kind of game. I know for sure that I would be aborting after a command or two during a game (especially network game). If my units are on autopilot in a network game, I will lose that game.
You, have to get to know Starcraft before knocking the shit out of it. I won't knock TA because I don't know it enough to do so. Starcraft can be commanded very quickly and efficiently with the keyboard complimenting the mouse.
A dev linux kernel is named dev for a reason, does not cost the earth, or promise the earth. The bugs get found and fixed much faster thanks to open source. And there is no fucking cover up of the fuck up. Open source programmers put pride of code quality first, Mega$haft puts saving face first to allow for their number one goal of making money.
And what's more, with the price Mega$hit charges for this CRAP, there should be no fucking bugs period.
A dev kernel is a dev kernel. Microsoft has never had anything other than a dev kernel, and charges like the light brigade for it.
You just are not good at playing RTS'. There is nothing wrong with Starcraft. It shows how good RTS' can be, and I think it is the benchmark by which future RTS' should be judged.
Fucking awesome shit. It works well for the smart players and even players like you.
Oh man, delevant, I think you are really going to cop a flame for that comment!:)
I dual boot Linux/NT4.0 for two reasons.
1. Starcraft 2. 3D Studio Max
The age of a game has nothing to do with anything, Starcraft is just excellent multiplayer game play at its best. A person who likes to keep it simple with a mass of units (a'la C&C) can't necessarily beat a smart player that uses and compliments unit strengths and covers their weakness'.
It can be a game for the brute force players or the tactical players. There are not many real time strategies that are so well balanced or cheat free for multiplayer gaming. Playing Starcraft in teams, me and a buddy against two other buddies is awesome. We play friday nights and drive home saturday mornings, we've been doing this for more than a year!
Starcraft is the best game I have ever played. Nothing comes even remotely close.
My buddies and me have made Starcraft a part of our get together at the beginnings of friday nights. Someone complains of a certain unit being too powerfull, and then they figure out a great way around it and the roles reverse. This game is very well balanced and holds our interest. Awesome!
The point IS, that Jon did not intend make a DVD copying program, and as such did not. My argument of it currently being impractical is to illistrate Jon's intentions. If in the future someone uses his code when the media is cheaper, that is not his fault. The dumb ass corporate giants should have patentent their oh so secure "authentication/encryption" scheme. It is completely their own fault for beleiving in security by obscurity! I beleive that security by obscurity can't hurt as an extra layer of security that is tacked onto the end of a real system, but relying on it alone is embarrasing to say the very least.
It simply does not work, and now they are trying to make a 16 year old computer hobbyist pay for their terrible design and planning.
Dude, like the cost of DAT tapes when DAT came out, blank DVD discs cost so much that it is better to just buy the DVD movie instead of copy it.
Hacking what Jon has done so that one can copy DVD's on home equipment is completely impractical. The place where DVD's would be illegally copied, would be on larger industrial equipment which do not have the CSS hurdle to begin with and therefore don't need Jon's code.
It sounds like you are saying that the MPAA is choosing option number 2, but it's not!. It would seem to me that the CSS system is an attempt to put good locks on the doors and windows.
It is number 2. The CSS system is such a weak system it is embarassing. It has obviously been engineered by a person or group that beleives they know something about encryption/authentication but actually are just kidding themselves. This is the worst kind of security one can posess, feeling secure about a system you created yourself without having any knowledge of any other systems, much less similar systems which have been proven to fail. It is arrogant to feel this self imposed feeling of security and it was very arrogant to think that it would not be cracked.
Now a clever lock-picker has shown the world how to open those locks.
Sure, I agree Jon is a smart guy, but he did'nt have to be a Bruce Schneier, Whitfield Diffie or Martin Hellman to crack CSS.
they're attempting to control the illegal use of illegally purchased products.
It's two fold, first, the region coding is to prevent people in one country from watching a movie that has been rated and cut for another country, to prevent someone seeing something that their government does not want them to see. This is to enforce the ratings. Second, the prevention of reading the DVD in the digital domain by an unauthorised product to avoid a digital copy of the movie. This second point is what is important to the big movie companies because people could make 100% perfect digital copies of movies over and over, unlike analog videotape where the quality degrades each time, compounding the loss in copies of copies, etc.
It is the second point that has pissed off the movie companies. But it was their RESPONSIBILITY to themselves, their viewing customers and their other customers like the makers of the movies, middle men, shopping outlets, etc, to make their authentication system strong. And really, that's what it is, although it is using crypto, it is an authentication mechanism that only allows an authorised DVD player to access the digital data on the DVD via the DVD-ROM drive which fascilitates the protection.
It is the designers that have created this whole mess. They allowed Microsoft and Apple to enjoy a joint monopoly on the DVD players which caused this thing to happen. If a Linux player existed, this may not have happened and if they managed to get someone the likes of Bruce Schneier to design the system, it may have taken a very long time to happen, if ever.
I beleive that CSS was neither copyrighted or patented for fear of someone creating an authentication program. If this is true, Jon has commited no crime.
I agree that Jon has not commited a crime in giving knowledge, it is the application of that knowledge that can lead to a crime that Jon will probably never commit.
If a person/entity wishes to protect something of theirs with encryption or authentication, then they need to be willing to put in time, effort and funds developing or using systems that work well enough to at least offset what they could loose.
If they make a "key is under the door mat" scheme, then they do not deserve to even rear their stupid heads in public, much less kick a poor kids arse for being a hobbyist programmer.
It is the movie industry that is at fault here. They "protected" their own consumers with complete crap, and now they are kicking the arse of some poor kid in Norway because he made a "DVD copying machine". Apparently we have to forget the fact that it is actually a DVD player for Linux and the only thing it could be hacked to do is copy DVD's on home equipment which is completely impractical given the cost of a blank DVD and especially given the fact that the REAL DVD thefts would occur at DVD presses that don't even have this fucking hurdle.
Jon has comitted no crime. The criminals are the movie companies that molest our childrens minds with violent undertones so that they can make a buck.
For fucks sake, some kids are running around with semi-automatic weapons KILLING school mates. Jon is a hobbyist programmer! He is far from being a criminal.
This is where I beleive some countries should have non official teams of assasins that carry out justice no matter where in the World it needs to be done. A network of assasins around the World perhaps acting as contractors?
I'm sick of fucking movies with situations that are severely over explained with incredibly dumbed down explanations of an incredibly complex scenario.
ID4, "upload virus" to the fucking alien space ship from a Mac powerbook?!?!?!? Indeed!
Apparently, the aliens also use:
* Binary (little or big endian?) * Serial comms with the same handshaking protocols * register compatible CPU's to ours * same radio standards that we do, or we reverse engineered theirs in amazing time! * systems with same BIOS which are susceptable to these virus'. * etc etc etc.
When will this never ending stream of dog shit stop flowing from Hollywood?
If there is cancer in my family tree, it is so far up the tree, that I am unaware of it. Except for one case, my grandmother. She ate red meat 3 times a day, bacon and eggs for breakfast, ham sandwich for lunch, lamb roast for dinner type of meals. She died in her 40's of bowel cancer. This fact, along with the statistics of bowel and colon cancers, are enough to sway me to never eat meat again.
Our closest ancestors are vegans (except when they kill their own in conflict). They have the sharp eye teeth that is supposedly proof that we are carnivores, they have flat back teeth for crushing vegetable matter, they have long convaluting intenstines designed to break up vegetable matter, flat blunt nails, etc.
On the other hand, the real carnivores of the world have much longer and sharper eye teeth, sharp back teeth for cutting meat in a scissor fashion, short intestines with very strong stomach acids, and long sharp nails for snaring prey.
Humans are designed to eat vegetable matter. Since we are "so smart", we have found that meat is more convienient and we have made it a part of our various cultures. Easier for us perhaps, but what about the Earth? To feed one human on meat, we could feed 10 on the grains that we used to grow that meat. We flaten rainforests so that McChuck can sell kiddies a $2.95 McCancer meal.
Nothing that anyone can say, quote or link can sway my opinion. I am living proof that humans do not have to eat dead animals. I had a period of complete health, for years not getting the colds and flus that were all around me, then I started seeing a girl that ate chicken but no other meats, so I started eating chicken to be less of a burden. Within weeks I was getting those colds and flus again. Meat weakens the bodies immune system.
Western medicine agrees with holistic medicine in that meat is cancerous and weakening of the immune system. If I die of cancer, then I may reconsider what I have made of my life.
Ironically, we are now seeing bacteria that our antibiotics cannot kill. Problems that have arisen from the usage of antibiotics in the fowl that we eat. Mother nature will beat us, our "intelligence and knowledge" will render us extinct and allow the Earth to continue on it's natural evolution.
I honestly hope this does happen. We do not deserve this great planet.
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And what's more, the left and right chanels are encoded into the one groove. So the media is flawed before it is even played. This reduces chanel seperation to audible levels and does'nt even come close to that of CD.
Plus, the heat generated on the needle, melts all sound 15kHz and up after a few plays. If taken care of, CD is digital perfect for longer than we will live.
And, at the top end, a human hears a 20kHz square, triangle, sine or complex waveform as a 20kHz sine wave. This is due to the fact that a pure waveform of only one frequency (in audio and electromagnetics) is made up of nothing more than a sine waveform at that same frequency. A square wave or anything other than a sine is made up of a base sine plus many other higher frequency sines that build the "sharper features". These higher frequency sines are attenuated to oblivion by our ears and audio digital sampling filters.
I can't stand hearing these "audiophiles" crap on about analogue quality. They say stuff like "...this tube amp gives a mellow warmth...", I call it distortion.
I wish they'd just get over the fact that analog has only small parts in the highest quality systems. High quality analog is still needed before the transducers, but holding on to analog media is a mistake to say the very least.
A $150 digital player will far outperform a $20,000 analogue player and that is a pretty sad state of affairs.
"No software is shipped with unaddressed severe bugs."
That's a pretty bold statement. Is it hard to type with your head up your arse?
"If someone was to reverse-engineer blizzard's protocol for diablo2 or starcraft it would be so that they could pirate the games"
Huh? You don't have to reverse engineer a protocol to pirate a game. Infact, I've seen a pirate copy of Starcraft that had a better installer than the original game.
He could'nt see the market if his mail server fell over it.
Tom is often biased. He was blindly supporting 3DFX after he received some "free" 3DFX cards and then all of a sudden he starts blindly supporting nVidia cards after his site receives an "approved nVidia review site" emblem.
During his 3DFX support campaign, he would often gloss over differences in the benchmark "comparisons" and have misleading explanations to his results which often did'nt agree with the other review/benchmark sites if it would show negativity to his "boss".
As an example, when benchmarking a Voodoo2 and Voodoo2 SLI setup with some other cards using a custom Quake2 map with extra high polygon and texture detail, the Voodoo2 SLI was absolutely blown away by a single 16Mb Matrox G200! This was obviously due to the limits of the PCI bus (which gives ~80MB/s after contention)of the SLI V2's which was being used heavily due to the available onboard memory of the V2's being half their SLI total minus the required frame buffers (the memory contents in both V2's in an SLI configuration are exact duplicates to allow the feature to work). But no mention of the PCI bus being a limiting factor on the Voodoo2's and no mention of the cheapo little G200 running almost 2x faster in that scenario thanks to its AGP bus.
What's more, a lot of info at Toms is ripped from elsewhere and glossed up.
He's not all that great, there are plenty better.
Microsoft sucks!
Right on Danse.
The day you are guilty until proven innocent is the day all polititions at fault should be shot.
But funnily enough, the media has so much oomph noy days that even though this isn't the case in theory, it can be the case in reality.
Take your Linux and 'DeCSS' and leave my Free Country, dammit! If Karma were a measure of idiocy, you would be a fucking guru. Because the MP3 format allows much easier transfers and storage of music, would you call the creators of it pirates? Perhaps the people behind lzw compression should be locked up since lots of leet pir8 warez are ziped? Cigarette companies make products that are addictive to the point of death, and they're getting away with it. Jon builds a DVD player for his prefered OS and he is the big bad guy? Wake the hell up, Jon made programs to build towards a Linux DVD player. If the stupid companies cared about their authentication/encryption system, their consumers, or even if they had a clue, they would have locked in down legally with patents and copyrights. No, but they did'nt, for fear that it would be used outside of what they can control. Well guess what, bad move fools, under estimating thousands of extremely talented techos which are all linked electronically spanning many .gov's is something you most definitely cannot beat. They have themselves to blame. I support his actions and point of view morally and financially. Moron.
Micro soft with their hot grits down everyones pants if they get their claws into Linux machines.
:)
What are the bets that it will require root? There is no way I am running any MS products on my Linux box.
Will it be open source?
Speaking of "gala" events. When Win98 was about to go on sale in Sydney au., hundreds of morons lined up for hours outside Harvey Norman to get a copy along with some crap "free" software.
How many bugs were found in the 1/3 of the Win98 source code that was allowed to be viewed by a lawyer by court order? 3000? For only $99.95!
People are idiots.
Another post from someone that obviously has player Starcraft for a whole 5 minutes and made up their mind that it is crap.
"no way to order patrols", perhaps you should try that pesky P key.
"Units on the move would take pot shots at any enemy units they went by--something StarCraft can't figure out what to do. StarCraft Terran marines will run RIGHT BY enemy units and completely ignore them until they finish their "move" command.", once again, that oh so ellusive A key comes in handy to make units attack on the way to their destination.
Command queuing would be nice for Starcraft, but it's not that kind of game. I know for sure that I would be aborting after a command or two during a game (especially network game). If my units are on autopilot in a network game, I will lose that game.
You, have to get to know Starcraft before knocking the shit out of it. I won't knock TA because I don't know it enough to do so. Starcraft can be commanded very quickly and efficiently with the keyboard complimenting the mouse.
Flamebait! Gimme a break, this is a flame from the above bait.
:)
In-fucking-sightful!?!?
A dev linux kernel is named dev for a reason, does not cost the earth, or promise the earth. The bugs get found and fixed much faster thanks to open source. And there is no fucking cover up of the fuck up. Open source programmers put pride of code quality first, Mega$haft puts saving face first to allow for their number one goal of making money.
And what's more, with the price Mega$hit charges for this CRAP, there should be no fucking bugs period.
A dev kernel is a dev kernel. Microsoft has never had anything other than a dev kernel, and charges like the light brigade for it.
I suppose you think you are a hacker for that? You are an arsehole.
"Friday , October 29th 1999 Krystalia lost her battle with ovarian cancer."
Fucking hero.
You just are not good at playing RTS'. There is nothing wrong with Starcraft. It shows how good RTS' can be, and I think it is the benchmark by which future RTS' should be judged.
Fucking awesome shit. It works well for the smart players and even players like you.
Oh man, delevant, I think you are really going to cop a flame for that comment! :)
I dual boot Linux/NT4.0 for two reasons.
1. Starcraft
2. 3D Studio Max
The age of a game has nothing to do with anything, Starcraft is just excellent multiplayer game play at its best. A person who likes to keep it simple with a mass of units (a'la C&C) can't necessarily beat a smart player that uses and compliments unit strengths and covers their weakness'.
It can be a game for the brute force players or the tactical players. There are not many real time strategies that are so well balanced or cheat free for multiplayer gaming. Playing Starcraft in teams, me and a buddy against two other buddies is awesome. We play friday nights and drive home saturday mornings, we've been doing this for more than a year!
Starcraft is the best game I have ever played. Nothing comes even remotely close.
Maelstrom.
My buddies and me have made Starcraft a part of our get together at the beginnings of friday nights. Someone complains of a certain unit being too powerfull, and then they figure out a great way around it and the roles reverse. This game is very well balanced and holds our interest. Awesome!
C'mon Starcraft ][ !!!!
The point IS, that Jon did not intend make a DVD copying program, and as such did not. My argument of it currently being impractical is to illistrate Jon's intentions. If in the future someone uses his code when the media is cheaper, that is not his fault. The dumb ass corporate giants should have patentent their oh so secure "authentication/encryption" scheme. It is completely their own fault for beleiving in security by obscurity! I beleive that security by obscurity can't hurt as an extra layer of security that is tacked onto the end of a real system, but relying on it alone is embarrasing to say the very least.
It simply does not work, and now they are trying to make a 16 year old computer hobbyist pay for their terrible design and planning.
Stoopid.
Dude, like the cost of DAT tapes when DAT came out, blank DVD discs cost so much that it is better to just buy the DVD movie instead of copy it.
Hacking what Jon has done so that one can copy DVD's on home equipment is completely impractical. The place where DVD's would be illegally copied, would be on larger industrial equipment which do not have the CSS hurdle to begin with and therefore don't need Jon's code.
We are most definetely not lying to ourselves!
It sounds like you are saying that the MPAA is choosing option number 2, but it's not!. It would seem to me that the CSS system is an attempt to put good locks on the doors and windows.
It is number 2. The CSS system is such a weak system it is embarassing. It has obviously been engineered by a person or group that beleives they know something about encryption/authentication but actually are just kidding themselves. This is the worst kind of security one can posess, feeling secure about a system you created yourself without having any knowledge of any other systems, much less similar systems which have been proven to fail. It is arrogant to feel this self imposed feeling of security and it was very arrogant to think that it would not be cracked.
Now a clever lock-picker has shown the world how to open those locks.
Sure, I agree Jon is a smart guy, but he did'nt have to be a Bruce Schneier, Whitfield Diffie or Martin Hellman to crack CSS.
they're attempting to control the illegal use of illegally purchased products.
It's two fold, first, the region coding is to prevent people in one country from watching a movie that has been rated and cut for another country, to prevent someone seeing something that their government does not want them to see. This is to enforce the ratings. Second, the prevention of reading the DVD in the digital domain by an unauthorised product to avoid a digital copy of the movie. This second point is what is important to the big movie companies because people could make 100% perfect digital copies of movies over and over, unlike analog videotape where the quality degrades each time, compounding the loss in copies of copies, etc.
It is the second point that has pissed off the movie companies. But it was their RESPONSIBILITY to themselves, their viewing customers and their other customers like the makers of the movies, middle men, shopping outlets, etc, to make their authentication system strong. And really, that's what it is, although it is using crypto, it is an authentication mechanism that only allows an authorised DVD player to access the digital data on the DVD via the DVD-ROM drive which fascilitates the protection.
It is the designers that have created this whole mess. They allowed Microsoft and Apple to enjoy a joint monopoly on the DVD players which caused this thing to happen. If a Linux player existed, this may not have happened and if they managed to get someone the likes of Bruce Schneier to design the system, it may have taken a very long time to happen, if ever.
I beleive that CSS was neither copyrighted or patented for fear of someone creating an authentication program. If this is true, Jon has commited no crime.
I agree that Jon has not commited a crime in giving knowledge, it is the application of that knowledge that can lead to a crime that Jon will probably never commit.
I would opt for #2, but not completely.
If a person/entity wishes to protect something of theirs with encryption or authentication, then they need to be willing to put in time, effort and funds developing or using systems that work well enough to at least offset what they could loose.
If they make a "key is under the door mat" scheme, then they do not deserve to even rear their stupid heads in public, much less kick a poor kids arse for being a hobbyist programmer.
It is the movie industry that is at fault here. They "protected" their own consumers with complete crap, and now they are kicking the arse of some poor kid in Norway because he made a "DVD copying machine". Apparently we have to forget the fact that it is actually a DVD player for Linux and the only thing it could be hacked to do is copy DVD's on home equipment which is completely impractical given the cost of a blank DVD and especially given the fact that the REAL DVD thefts would occur at DVD presses that don't even have this fucking hurdle.
Jon has comitted no crime. The criminals are the movie companies that molest our childrens minds with violent undertones so that they can make a buck.
For fucks sake, some kids are running around with semi-automatic weapons KILLING school mates. Jon is a hobbyist programmer! He is far from being a criminal.
Fucking hell.
This is where I beleive some countries should have non official teams of assasins that carry out justice no matter where in the World it needs to be done. A network of assasins around the World perhaps acting as contractors?
Those two should be tortured to death.
*sigh* How true this is!
I'm sick of fucking movies with situations that are severely over explained with incredibly dumbed down explanations of an incredibly complex scenario.
ID4, "upload virus" to the fucking alien space ship from a Mac powerbook?!?!?!? Indeed!
Apparently, the aliens also use:
* Binary (little or big endian?)
* Serial comms with the same handshaking protocols
* register compatible CPU's to ours
* same radio standards that we do, or we reverse engineered theirs in amazing time!
* systems with same BIOS which are susceptable to these virus'.
* etc etc etc.
When will this never ending stream of dog shit stop flowing from Hollywood?
If there is cancer in my family tree, it is so far up the tree, that I am unaware of it. Except for one case, my grandmother. She ate red meat 3 times a day, bacon and eggs for breakfast, ham sandwich for lunch, lamb roast for dinner type of meals. She died in her 40's of bowel cancer. This fact, along with the statistics of bowel and colon cancers, are enough to sway me to never eat meat again.
Our closest ancestors are vegans (except when they kill their own in conflict). They have the sharp eye teeth that is supposedly proof that we are carnivores, they have flat back teeth for crushing vegetable matter, they have long convaluting intenstines designed to break up vegetable matter, flat blunt nails, etc.
On the other hand, the real carnivores of the world have much longer and sharper eye teeth, sharp back teeth for cutting meat in a scissor fashion, short intestines with very strong stomach acids, and long sharp nails for snaring prey.
Humans are designed to eat vegetable matter. Since we are "so smart", we have found that meat is more convienient and we have made it a part of our various cultures. Easier for us perhaps, but what about the Earth? To feed one human on meat, we could feed 10 on the grains that we used to grow that meat. We flaten rainforests so that McChuck can sell kiddies a $2.95 McCancer meal.
Nothing that anyone can say, quote or link can sway my opinion. I am living proof that humans do not have to eat dead animals. I had a period of complete health, for years not getting the colds and flus that were all around me, then I started seeing a girl that ate chicken but no other meats, so I started eating chicken to be less of a burden. Within weeks I was getting those colds and flus again. Meat weakens the bodies immune system.
Western medicine agrees with holistic medicine in that meat is cancerous and weakening of the immune system. If I die of cancer, then I may reconsider what I have made of my life.
Ironically, we are now seeing bacteria that our antibiotics cannot kill. Problems that have arisen from the usage of antibiotics in the fowl that we eat. Mother nature will beat us, our "intelligence and knowledge" will render us extinct and allow the Earth to continue on it's natural evolution.
I honestly hope this does happen. We do not deserve this great planet.