Also they didn't tell you that they can't take very much heat or water. So that question about how to kill an RFID chip on your clothing, or your body: the solution is to wash them.
* It's recorded elsewhere that David, not Elhanan, killed Goliath Ergo the contradiction of having the same giant killed twice.
* It's recorded elsewhere that Elhanan killed Goliath's brother Because it's impossible to kill two giants.
-- According to the copies of the manuscripts we have both David and Elhanan killed Goliath in two different places. Not only that but David kills Goliath twice after he runs up, once with a sword, once without.
The idea that little spelling mistakes and translation errors explain why Joseph's father is both Heli and Jacob (Luke 3, Matt 1) is fairly absurd. Worse are the little theories about why the Bible doesn't work out... you see one of those father's belong to Mary and the Bible is just lying to you because you're a retarded bigot (actual response). Usually the cure is worse than the disease.
Also, it doesn't really handle the larger issues. I don't think talking endlessly about how Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 tell two different stories with different orders for creation, how in Genesis 1 the animals and then man and woman are created and in Genesis 2 how Adam is created, gets lonely and then the animals and then women are created, does any real good at all. I think the central doctrines are absurd enough to just be pointed at without quibbling over the smaller absurdities.
Adam and Eve not knowing right from wrong did a wrong deed (which I presume an all-knowing being would know), were cast out, then all humans are guilty for their crime so God has to take human form to sacrifice Himself to Himself so that he may forgive us for something we didn't do. This sacrifice consisted of dying and returning to Heaven, to sit at the right hand of Himself. -- If this were scifi, it couldn't even make the scifi channel as one of their uber-B movies, blood sacrifice as a sin payment is bad enough, but God sacrificing Himself to Himself, briefly, to give permission to Himself to forgive us for stuff we never did... Come on!
>>Actually, that's not how it goes. The Quran is strongly against idolatry and deifying Jesus, peace be upon him.
I said that. Jesus is cited as an idol (5:17), as well as some additional comments against specifically trinitarian Christians (5:72, 28:62-63) who have made Partners unto Allah.
>>However, it does not say to kill those who do that.
9:5?
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
>>India was ruled by Muslims for centuries, but the country is 85% Hindu today (they didn't kill all the idolators), and Muslims ruled over Christians for millenia without much fuss in much of the world. There's been some fighting in places like Nigeria, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
Certainly, if there exists a treaty and no aggression then there is no call for violence. Admittedly most of the violent verses are about Allah and how he will torture those non-believer in Allah, how the fire will be hot and how stupid they will feel for not converting. Duh, Islam... now when you ask for a shower you get molten lead! How foolish you were, to be blinded by Allah and unable to see the truth and get cast into the Fire.
>>Where in the Quran does it say to kill those who don't believe?
It does suggest you wait around for their infinite punishment and pain to start, rather than nudging it in that direction.
>>Aye, the King James version of the Bible does have some inaccuracies in the translation, but they have been corrected in more recent versions translated from the original Gree, Aramaic, hebrew, etc.
It isn't that bad. Some of the newer versions hashed out the major problems. Somethings already were well enough accepted to be unfixable. Young woman being translated into virgin, using the name of the lord in vain rather than in a false oath. NIV might be better, but when referring to inaccuracies... many of them are not translation errors. They are contradictory in the original text as well.
>>and because the original texts in the original languages are much more available to common people than in the 1600's (I believe that's the right century...),
Actually the original texts in the original languages are just as unavailable as ever. We still don't have a copy of the original, not even a copy of a copy in the right language. We have a huge number of different versions from the 4th century which differ widely from each other. We also have some earlier fragments which also differ pretty widely.
>>they can't exactly hide any intentional mistranslations anymore- there are enough (though not a whole lot)
They didn't hide them exactly. For example, 2 Samuel 21:19, typically have the version (KJV) italicize "brother of" because the words "brother of" is simply added regardless of not being in the original text. They obviously realized that Elhanan killing Goliath would clash with the same story of David killing the same person. Other translations go ahead and ignore that and have Goliath die twice (as happens in the original text).
>>And I'd have to disagree with your thesis that the Red Sea scrolls would be more accurate gospels than the ones we have today, since the scrolls contained only copies of the Torah and other books which are now part of the Old Testament
The Red Sea scrolls have less editing than the modern versions we have. Accuracy is completely different as they all pretty well depict events that we are more and more sure did not happen. Archeology tends to disagree with the Bible when the two meet.
>>and make absolutely no mention in Christ, as they were for the most part written before his ministry.
The work dates to the late first century early second century. They are all written after "Christ's ministry" (mythicist quotes) -- Though, they probably do predate the Gospels which were written mid-second century or so.
>>They do, however confirm the accuracy of Old Testament texts to at least Jesus' time, which was heartening for Christians and Jews.
They no more confirm the accuracy of the OT than finding a first printing of Great Expectations would prove the existence of Pip.
>>basically the equivalent of Jesus saying to love your neighbor, then turning around and commanding his disciples to stone the prostitute,
The "don't throw stones" story is actually added in the 4th century.
>>Oh, and I was not under the impression that Allah would have told Jesus to tell everyone he was the son of God, if he were only a prophet secondary in importance to Mohammad who would come later.
Muslims do not hold that Jesus was the son of God, nor that Allah would have told him to say such. Rather that people later made that claim as they were misguided.
>>Of course I also don't understand why Mohammed's followers would want to destroy those who follow another of Allah's prophets as infidels.
You don't? Well, because Muslims are not followers of Mohammad. They are followers of Allah. If they were worshiping Muhammad they would be idolaters. Just as worshiping any prophet of Allah would be idolatry. Further, those who deify Jesus are accused by the Koran of making "Partners unto Allah" -- beyond idolatry this is blasphemy. Both are punishable by death. A quick read of the Koran would answer these questions for you.
Why not just turn the fridges down? If the "food won't melt" then just save the power all the time. If it has to do with deep chilling the food at night to get it through the day. Well, you can do that crap without the wind power. This seems like a complete waste of time. If it works for freezing units to use off peak power, let them do that. Saying wind power, doesn't add anything to the idea.
You see, we have this timed thing to let hot water heaters cool during the night and turn back on at like 4 so that it's ready in time for your shower. We have programmed into it an amazing device which learned and calculates when you typically use your hot water and it predicts it saving energy. So if you went on vacation it would slowly stop giving you hot water (yes I just thought of this, no it won't be worth anything). It's great and wind power is great too.
The plausibility of the idea has nothing to do with wind power.
>>However, do we really expect science to explain everything?
Yes. Because, if we believed otherwise we would stop if a problem looked really hard. Maybe this is that thing science can't figure out. Each time we have done that is has 1) slowed down scientific advancement, 2) been wrong.
>>Is there a scientific method that provides proof for the meaning of life?
Get laid before you get killed. I don't see a compelling reason to assume such a thing exists. I suppose you could give it a meaning if you want, but why assume it had one to begin with.
>>To me, the chances of everything being as they are now by cosmic chance seems just as plausible as a God in heaven.
Are you factoring the plausibility of God in heaven just forming by cosmic chance? Because, it looks like you are just outsourcing the problem and compounding the problem. I think that a thousand dragons flapping their wings is as plausible as hot/cold difference to explain wind. Even if I believed this, it ignores the fact that the thousand dragons is much much less plausible. The dragon theory is based on the highly implausible and that needs to be factored into consideration.
>>So in the meantime I am currently undecided, a fact for which my Christian friends tell me I am undoubtedly going to hell for.
Hell? I thought you went there for being Christian and making partners unto Allah?
Well, environmental impact clearly, but what the actual study said was that it ended up releasing less mercury into the atmosphere. The 4mg of mercury in the CFLs is more than counteracted by the amount of mercury regular power plants would spit out over the length/time/efficiency of the bulb. So net mercury should actually be reduced.
Ofcourse, in 10 years they will be telling you that those filthy CFLs have way too much mercury and that if we don't switch over to LEDs we are trying to destroy the planet!
Wow, that's a complete waste. I use a precipitation fan. Basically it is a giant fan like apparatus which blows all the water away, while it is in the air, so it can't hit my house. And my camera simply focuses the light into this cube thing, which with modern technology I use when I completely stop the light.
Converting people to Firefox (I've done it several times) seems to consist of installing it and putting an icon up on the desktop (which is typically part of the install process).
Um. The Wii controller is really a leap forward. Even with inferior graphics it is still a huge step up! Pretend you have a choice between a 5 ghz machine without the ability to have a mouse and a 3 ghz machine with a mouse. It really is apples and oranges. Sure, I would love to see more realistic gameplay (easier deaths) and more novelty. But, to say that consoles don't matter, isn't exactly true right now.
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Roughly, other advancements... multi-cores etc. We should keep pace with Moore's law. It is a rather stupid suggestion. Every time one of these stories comes along they always suggest they are beating Moore's law, when really they keep pace.
New Wammy Co. method for silicon fab... this is going to double the speed of our computers and crush Moore's Law! It should be on the market about 18 months from now!
Ditto. I think that I am one of those "downloads", but when they are roughly automatic and I don't care at all about installing it, should you really get to count raw download? If so, am I making a mistake by downloading Firefox once and using that single little install to spread it around the network at home? If raw numbers count, my house systems have about 4 "copies" of IE7 and 1 copy of Firefox, even though nobody in the house uses IE.
This doesn't replace my idea to construct a house made out of giant legos does it? Because I totally want that, about 1000 mostly hollow plastic legos could make a house in an afternoon.
The prototyping machine as currently set grabs some boards and crap from the sides and puts them on. You are correct that doors and windows, and even roofs are special cases. It is rather powerless for things such as dome which require scaffolding.
Yeah, pretty much ditto. I had my webpage drop from Google and it is exactly like you don't exist anymore. Also searching for my real name turns up nothing for about a page and a half before it puts up a script I wrote under my real name a number of years back. Looking a lot longer I finally find that article I submitted to BBspot, Half-Life 2 Physics Engine Contains Grand Unified Theory. Really is it all pretty much Google. At least my username is original enough that almost every last google link is really me.
Well, perhaps arc welding commonly produced balls of lightning and you never realized it. So no credit. Ever wonder why those damned arc welding balls jumped around?
His suit is based on unfair practices by Time Warner. The movies made a crapload and the secondary profits the merchandising rights, which Jackson gets a cut of, were sold off to other Time Warner companies for less than they could have gotten.
This is happens a lot with these giant places, they just sell the rights within the companies and don't make as much profit because they undersold it. This is the same crap that Fox pulled with X-Files having sold the syndication rights to FX for much less than they were worth. The studio bitching that Jackson got 250 million dollars on a trilogy which made like 20 billion is pathetic.
He should be allowed to see the records and prove his case. Just because the studio thinks 250 million dollars is *enough* doesn't make the studio able to ignore the contract.
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Also they didn't tell you that they can't take very much heat or water. So that question about how to kill an RFID chip on your clothing, or your body: the solution is to wash them.
* It's recorded elsewhere that David, not Elhanan, killed Goliath
Ergo the contradiction of having the same giant killed twice.
* It's recorded elsewhere that Elhanan killed Goliath's brother
Because it's impossible to kill two giants.
-- According to the copies of the manuscripts we have both David and Elhanan killed Goliath in two different places. Not only that but David kills Goliath twice after he runs up, once with a sword, once without.
The idea that little spelling mistakes and translation errors explain why Joseph's father is both Heli and Jacob (Luke 3, Matt 1) is fairly absurd. Worse are the little theories about why the Bible doesn't work out... you see one of those father's belong to Mary and the Bible is just lying to you because you're a retarded bigot (actual response). Usually the cure is worse than the disease.
Also, it doesn't really handle the larger issues. I don't think talking endlessly about how Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 tell two different stories with different orders for creation, how in Genesis 1 the animals and then man and woman are created and in Genesis 2 how Adam is created, gets lonely and then the animals and then women are created, does any real good at all. I think the central doctrines are absurd enough to just be pointed at without quibbling over the smaller absurdities.
Adam and Eve not knowing right from wrong did a wrong deed (which I presume an all-knowing being would know), were cast out, then all humans are guilty for their crime so God has to take human form to sacrifice Himself to Himself so that he may forgive us for something we didn't do. This sacrifice consisted of dying and returning to Heaven, to sit at the right hand of Himself. -- If this were scifi, it couldn't even make the scifi channel as one of their uber-B movies, blood sacrifice as a sin payment is bad enough, but God sacrificing Himself to Himself, briefly, to give permission to Himself to forgive us for stuff we never did... Come on!
>>Actually, that's not how it goes. The Quran is strongly against idolatry and deifying Jesus, peace be upon him.
I said that. Jesus is cited as an idol (5:17), as well as some additional comments against specifically trinitarian Christians (5:72, 28:62-63) who have made Partners unto Allah.
>>However, it does not say to kill those who do that.
9:5?
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
>>India was ruled by Muslims for centuries, but the country is 85% Hindu today (they didn't kill all the idolators), and Muslims ruled over Christians for millenia without much fuss in much of the world. There's been some fighting in places like Nigeria, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
Certainly, if there exists a treaty and no aggression then there is no call for violence. Admittedly most of the violent verses are about Allah and how he will torture those non-believer in Allah, how the fire will be hot and how stupid they will feel for not converting. Duh, Islam... now when you ask for a shower you get molten lead! How foolish you were, to be blinded by Allah and unable to see the truth and get cast into the Fire.
>>Where in the Quran does it say to kill those who don't believe?
It does suggest you wait around for their infinite punishment and pain to start, rather than nudging it in that direction.
True. I stand corrected.
That is correct. They did take and hold the city for less than two hundred years. I stand corrected.
They modded you 'troll' for saying it.
>>Aye, the King James version of the Bible does have some inaccuracies in the translation, but they have been corrected in more recent versions translated from the original Gree, Aramaic, hebrew, etc.
It isn't that bad. Some of the newer versions hashed out the major problems. Somethings already were well enough accepted to be unfixable. Young woman being translated into virgin, using the name of the lord in vain rather than in a false oath. NIV might be better, but when referring to inaccuracies... many of them are not translation errors. They are contradictory in the original text as well.
>>and because the original texts in the original languages are much more available to common people than in the 1600's (I believe that's the right century...),
Actually the original texts in the original languages are just as unavailable as ever. We still don't have a copy of the original, not even a copy of a copy in the right language. We have a huge number of different versions from the 4th century which differ widely from each other. We also have some earlier fragments which also differ pretty widely.
>>they can't exactly hide any intentional mistranslations anymore- there are enough (though not a whole lot)
They didn't hide them exactly. For example, 2 Samuel 21:19, typically have the version (KJV) italicize "brother of" because the words "brother of" is simply added regardless of not being in the original text. They obviously realized that Elhanan killing Goliath would clash with the same story of David killing the same person. Other translations go ahead and ignore that and have Goliath die twice (as happens in the original text).
>>And I'd have to disagree with your thesis that the Red Sea scrolls would be more accurate gospels than the ones we have today, since the scrolls contained only copies of the Torah and other books which are now part of the Old Testament
The Red Sea scrolls have less editing than the modern versions we have. Accuracy is completely different as they all pretty well depict events that we are more and more sure did not happen. Archeology tends to disagree with the Bible when the two meet.
>>and make absolutely no mention in Christ, as they were for the most part written before his ministry.
The work dates to the late first century early second century. They are all written after "Christ's ministry" (mythicist quotes) -- Though, they probably do predate the Gospels which were written mid-second century or so.
>>They do, however confirm the accuracy of Old Testament texts to at least Jesus' time, which was heartening for Christians and Jews.
They no more confirm the accuracy of the OT than finding a first printing of Great Expectations would prove the existence of Pip.
>>basically the equivalent of Jesus saying to love your neighbor, then turning around and commanding his disciples to stone the prostitute,
The "don't throw stones" story is actually added in the 4th century.
>>Oh, and I was not under the impression that Allah would have told Jesus to tell everyone he was the son of God, if he were only a prophet secondary in importance to Mohammad who would come later.
Muslims do not hold that Jesus was the son of God, nor that Allah would have told him to say such. Rather that people later made that claim as they were misguided.
>>Of course I also don't understand why Mohammed's followers would want to destroy those who follow another of Allah's prophets as infidels.
You don't? Well, because Muslims are not followers of Mohammad. They are followers of Allah. If they were worshiping Muhammad they would be idolaters. Just as worshiping any prophet of Allah would be idolatry. Further, those who deify Jesus are accused by the Koran of making "Partners unto Allah" -- beyond idolatry this is blasphemy. Both are punishable by death. A quick read of the Koran would answer these questions for you.
>>I know the Christians haven't ex
Why not just turn the fridges down? If the "food won't melt" then just save the power all the time. If it has to do with deep chilling the food at night to get it through the day. Well, you can do that crap without the wind power. This seems like a complete waste of time. If it works for freezing units to use off peak power, let them do that. Saying wind power, doesn't add anything to the idea.
You see, we have this timed thing to let hot water heaters cool during the night and turn back on at like 4 so that it's ready in time for your shower. We have programmed into it an amazing device which learned and calculates when you typically use your hot water and it predicts it saving energy. So if you went on vacation it would slowly stop giving you hot water (yes I just thought of this, no it won't be worth anything). It's great and wind power is great too.
The plausibility of the idea has nothing to do with wind power.
>>However, do we really expect science to explain everything?
Yes. Because, if we believed otherwise we would stop if a problem looked really hard. Maybe this is that thing science can't figure out. Each time we have done that is has 1) slowed down scientific advancement, 2) been wrong.
>>Is there a scientific method that provides proof for the meaning of life?
Get laid before you get killed. I don't see a compelling reason to assume such a thing exists. I suppose you could give it a meaning if you want, but why assume it had one to begin with.
>>To me, the chances of everything being as they are now by cosmic chance seems just as plausible as a God in heaven.
Are you factoring the plausibility of God in heaven just forming by cosmic chance? Because, it looks like you are just outsourcing the problem and compounding the problem. I think that a thousand dragons flapping their wings is as plausible as hot/cold difference to explain wind. Even if I believed this, it ignores the fact that the thousand dragons is much much less plausible. The dragon theory is based on the highly implausible and that needs to be factored into consideration.
>>So in the meantime I am currently undecided, a fact for which my Christian friends tell me I am undoubtedly going to hell for.
Hell? I thought you went there for being Christian and making partners unto Allah?
I can now predict the winner of the 2008 presidential race is Al Gore (or other Democrat, preferably Gore).
Sorry. They have been asked to do so by members of the Bush administration. That clear enough?
That's cheap enough to buy a copy for the Duke Nukem Forever team.
Oh, to have that kind of job security.
Well, environmental impact clearly, but what the actual study said was that it ended up releasing less mercury into the atmosphere. The 4mg of mercury in the CFLs is more than counteracted by the amount of mercury regular power plants would spit out over the length/time/efficiency of the bulb. So net mercury should actually be reduced.
Ofcourse, in 10 years they will be telling you that those filthy CFLs have way too much mercury and that if we don't switch over to LEDs we are trying to destroy the planet!
Wow, that's a complete waste. I use a precipitation fan. Basically it is a giant fan like apparatus which blows all the water away, while it is in the air, so it can't hit my house. And my camera simply focuses the light into this cube thing, which with modern technology I use when I completely stop the light.
Converting people to Firefox (I've done it several times) seems to consist of installing it and putting an icon up on the desktop (which is typically part of the install process).
Um. The Wii controller is really a leap forward. Even with inferior graphics it is still a huge step up! Pretend you have a choice between a 5 ghz machine without the ability to have a mouse and a 3 ghz machine with a mouse. It really is apples and oranges. Sure, I would love to see more realistic gameplay (easier deaths) and more novelty. But, to say that consoles don't matter, isn't exactly true right now.
Roughly, other advancements... multi-cores etc. We should keep pace with Moore's law. It is a rather stupid suggestion. Every time one of these stories comes along they always suggest they are beating Moore's law, when really they keep pace.
New Wammy Co. method for silicon fab... this is going to double the speed of our computers and crush Moore's Law! It should be on the market about 18 months from now!
Ditto. I think that I am one of those "downloads", but when they are roughly automatic and I don't care at all about installing it, should you really get to count raw download? If so, am I making a mistake by downloading Firefox once and using that single little install to spread it around the network at home? If raw numbers count, my house systems have about 4 "copies" of IE7 and 1 copy of Firefox, even though nobody in the house uses IE.
This doesn't replace my idea to construct a house made out of giant legos does it? Because I totally want that, about 1000 mostly hollow plastic legos could make a house in an afternoon.
The prototyping machine as currently set grabs some boards and crap from the sides and puts them on. You are correct that doors and windows, and even roofs are special cases. It is rather powerless for things such as dome which require scaffolding.
Yeah, pretty much ditto. I had my webpage drop from Google and it is exactly like you don't exist anymore. Also searching for my real name turns up nothing for about a page and a half before it puts up a script I wrote under my real name a number of years back. Looking a lot longer I finally find that article I submitted to BBspot, Half-Life 2 Physics Engine Contains Grand Unified Theory. Really is it all pretty much Google. At least my username is original enough that almost every last google link is really me.
Well, perhaps arc welding commonly produced balls of lightning and you never realized it. So no credit. Ever wonder why those damned arc welding balls jumped around?
This post is a joke. Is troll a synonym for unfunny?
That's the second post I had troll modded in this thread. First one too. I mean, unfunny would be one things... but troll?
His suit is based on unfair practices by Time Warner. The movies made a crapload and the secondary profits the merchandising rights, which Jackson gets a cut of, were sold off to other Time Warner companies for less than they could have gotten.
This is happens a lot with these giant places, they just sell the rights within the companies and don't make as much profit because they undersold it. This is the same crap that Fox pulled with X-Files having sold the syndication rights to FX for much less than they were worth. The studio bitching that Jackson got 250 million dollars on a trilogy which made like 20 billion is pathetic.
He should be allowed to see the records and prove his case. Just because the studio thinks 250 million dollars is *enough* doesn't make the studio able to ignore the contract.