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Ball Lightning Created In the Lab
EWAdams writes to point us to a New Scientist report that the mysterious phenomenon of ball lighting has now been created in a Brazilian research lab. The phenomenon has long been reported anecdotally but never explained or understood. Scientists have devised numerous possible explanations, including mini black holes left over from the Big Bang, but have had little success in producing working examples. From the article: "A more down-to-earth theory... is that ball lightning forms when lightning strikes soil, turning any silica in the soil into pure silicon vapor. As the vapor cools, the silicon condenses into a floating aerosol bound into a ball by charges that gather on its surface, and it glows with the heat of silicon recombining with oxygen. To test this idea, a [Brazilian] team... took wafers of silicon just 350 micrometers thick, placed them between two electrodes and zapped them with currents of up to 140 amps. Then... they moved the electrodes slightly apart, creating an electrical arc that vaporised the silicon. The arc spat out glowing fragments of silicon but also, sometimes, luminous orbs the size of ping-pong balls that persisted for up to 8 seconds." Here is a movie of the phenomenon.
Looks like the video link is already Slashdotted. But the video also seems to be all over YouTube (particularly since the story is a few days old). Here's a link to it at YouTube.
Is ball lightning supposed to bounce around the ground like that? I thought it floated. 'Course, I could be mistaken.
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Don't worry, this is ball lightening, not ball lighting.
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I find it fascinating that it displays almost no friction to the floor as it moves about. Plus, the gas jets tell of a very complex combination of structure and chemical process occurring.
It will be interesting to read more research on the subject when it becomes available.
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These things stay on ground... when I was a kid I once saw a ball of lightning and it danced along a barbed wire fence. This is a start but not the whole truth...
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...that isn't it. The most accurate description I can give based on the one time I witnessed it is that it looked very similar to the luminescent jellyfish that you might see when boating at night (soft glow, bluish, semi-translucent). That 'look', and the fact that what I saw seemed to 'float' (the video shows something that is most definitely not weightless as it drops and bounces about)leaves me unimpressed. I don't know what causes ball lighting (I'm sure it's rather anticlimactic whatever it is), but this isn't it. Just my two cents.
They should have made them bigger. Much bigger. Imagine one the size of a dog/dog-rabbit, bouncing around the countryside. Hail to the ball of vaporizing silicon!
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A couple of years ago I tested the fireplace in our just build new house. It is a fireplace which has a glass door to prevent smoke from entering the living room. Between the door and the frame there is a gap of two millimeter wide. I had put in tropical wood, leftovers of a bridge build in our neighborhood. I had set the lever to the extreme and lots of air (oxygen) was flowing in. Suddenly there was an impressive explosion and about a dozen of these pearls flowed through the fireplace. Three of them moved towards the glass door and actually seemed to move through the glass door near the edge of it. The glass door remained intact. I wrote some reports about it and have send them to some scientists working in this field. One of the possible explanations was that the balls might have been fast rotating strings, capable of moving through the gap. It was a wonderful experience which I have not been able to recreate. It very much looks like these balls in the video
Why do we suppose that all ball lightnings are generated the same way? This is a pretty strong statement as far as I can tell, without the appropriate grounds to make it. However, this particular theory definitely has a reason to live in my eyes, since it would explain generation of lightning balls at large altitude [Caucasus mountains, where they pose a threat to mountain climbers; at least one group has perished to a ball lightning-like object with only one injured survivor remaining], since silicates [particularly olivine] are abundant in Caucasian rock.
It very much looks like liquid metal balls bouncing on the floor, these are produced very often when using an electric arc welder.
Check out the dude's footwear! Flip flops/thongs/whatever you call 'em don't seem appropriate!
They've been selling lightning balls at Radio Shack for years now.
This isn't ball lightning, what's happening here is mostly oxidation...
I remember as a kid, attaching some extra thin solder wire between a couple nails in a small piece of scrap wood attached to a power cord. Plug the cord into the outlet and the solder would explode in a shower of sparks. I'd do this on sheets of butcher paper, because the solder sparks would hit the paper, incandescent white, and bounce around just like the silicon in this demonstration (probably burning both the flux and some of the lead in the solder) leaving behind these intricate little trails all over the paper. At the end, you'd find these tiny little balls of solder (typically 0.4-0.8 mm.) Point is, you'd ionize a little metal, and get that metal (lead or silicon it doesn't matter) to oxidize, and there's clearly a ball of vaporized metal surrounding the burning bit at the middle, but this is not by any stretch anything like ball lightening.
Judging from published photos and descriptions of ball lightning phenomena and copy of the video on youtube, this is far from ball lighting.
These things hover over the concrete floor and look like sizzling droplets that can spray around sometimes when welding. It is not unusual to see such hovering drops as they vaporize water in the floor beneath them and so create some kind of gas cushion- hovercraft effect.
Genuine ball lightnings has been reported able to hover in the air, sometimes at considerable height and it was not always blindingly bright...
"Scientists have devised numerous possible explanations, including mini black holes left over from the Big Bang"
I want their names -- show me a scientist who would publicly postulate this.
Magic Missile should've been invented first! It's gonna take forever for me to get enough experience to get this...
From TFA: "To test this idea, a [Brazilian] team... took wafers of silicon just 350 micrometers thick, placed them between two electrodes and zapped them with currents of up to 140 amps. Then... they moved the electrodes slightly apart, creating an electrical arc that vaporised the silicon". Translation: using standard arc welding equipment with the current turned to max, the team zapped the crap out of some bits of silicon which were lying around and took a *very* amateur video, not even bothering to put on sensible footwear...
Having said that, the NewScientist article says the results will appear in the high-prestige journal Physical Review Letters, which gives this work credibility - if true.
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I guess it depends on how big your micrometer is.
that no scientist has ever proposed singularities as the source of ball lightning.
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I was surprised that artificial ball lightning is considered so elusive. I thought it could be done in a Microwave oven. I'm sure I can remember some more serious experiments being reported on Slashdot too. Maybe someone can find them.
Lightning gun time!!!
This is no explaination for the phenomenon. Soil? Lasting 8 seconds?
I have a personal experience of ball lighting and it completely contradicts the results suggested.
I was 10 years old ( 32 years ago ) living in an urban town in Crawley, UK. There was a heavy thunderstorm - which I should point out would be a minor storm relative to other countries. It was about 9pm at night.
My brother and I had been in bed in our rooms when my mother came up to us and brought us downstairs. She saw visibly upset by something ( I still recall the event clearly now, for that reason ).
Her explaination was that she had been reading when she saw a ball of light, about the size of a grapefruit, arise slowly from the telephone. It hovered at about chest height for a while and hen slow drift towards the closed kitchen door. It dissipated when it came into contact with the door.
That description doesn't tie up with a bit of soil igniting and burning for a few seconds.
I don't believe there is anything mystical about this phenomenon but I don't buy this work as being an explaination for it.
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I'd call it more of a mulatto.
the real question is why would you be waring thongs with burning balls running around your feet
It's a quantum space-time effect, you people just don't know it yet! Once you figure this out, the human race will finally be a spacefaring species. Go back to sleep, nothing to see here except ball lightning videos.
I guess you eunux greybeards knew all about that...once.
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Actually, Brazil is part of the original America, the USA isn't. Amerigo Vespucci, for whom the continents are named, never visited North America, his travels were limited to the coast of what is now Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina. In the first maps of the "new world" only the southern continent had a name and it was "America".
Did anyone notice the 'safety shoes' that one of the researches is wearing in the lab (see video) while doing experiments with molten silicon??????
Light + crappy lens = why bother?
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Ball lightning has nothing to do with soil, or the earth, in any way. There have been reports of ball lightning passing through Jumbo Jet airliners like an errant ghost and just about every report has heralded ball lightning's ability to hover or simply pass through objects. What the Brazilian labs have done seems to me to have created "Jumping Jacks."
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Haha, i can't believe they were wearing sandals! You ..oh wow what the hell...
Maybe if they recreate this on a bigger scale using those "lightning generators" used to test things. Maybe we will get floaters then! haha..oh damnit.
Anyway, screw this wannabe ball-lightning, i want to know what that flash in the sky was that turned 2.30AM into 11.30AM and killed the power to my town!
And this lasted for like 3 seconds as well! I can't put it into any category of "lightning"...
OMG It's intelligent! See that at 20 seconds into the movie tries to go over the
cable but bumps back he tries again but this time it jumps over! It has learned!!!
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Hmm, flip flops. I'm thinking a more conservative approach to footwear might have been appropriate. What with all that vaporized silicon bouncing around his toes.
Nikola Tesla is documented to have done this 'round about the turn of the century. He used to black out a goodportion of Colorado when he started playing around in his Colorado Springs lab.
This isn't the ball lightning as created by proper thunderstorms. Silicon vapour can't pass through glass without breaking it, as far as I know...
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Who the hell wears FLIP FLOPS (aks- sandals/click-clacks/slippers) in a physics lab? let alone a lab where there's super-hot materials bouncing around?
I call one of mine ball lightning, the other testicular thunder.
These balls are real. My wife had one come through their house, right down the hall. She was a teenager in Margate, FL (would have been in the late '70s). She's not here so I can't get a better description but it scared the heck out of them.
The stuff in that movie isn't ball lightning... It's just burning stuff bouncing around on the floor.
also, anyone else find this funny:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Sc
They didn't want this technology to reach greedy foreigners hands. Mwahahahah! Now that the blockade is lifted everyone will be able to develop his own ping-pong sized electric ball of death and... humm... do something with it.
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Ok, the experiment will be performed and properly validated, in a North-American (Usian) university, by super-intelligent and hard-working Indian and Chinese graduate students.
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your right but cut me some slack -- it was well after midnight.
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A ball lightning gun!
True. An interesting side effect of all of this is that we now know that 3 red mana = 140 amps.
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rediculous.
You can make nice fireballs about 5mm in diameter that live for several seconds and bounce. I did that in two ways:
- lit the tin foil (tin, not aluminum) with electrical arc and
- melt tin in a piece of glass tube, hit it so the glass is really liquid an then shake off the drop of tin so far protected from the air by melted glass - it will ignite when exposed to air.
In both cases you will get a nice jumping fireball. If you release it over paper slope it will leave brown spots with varying distances between them demonstrating the acceleration.
Doesn't seem to want to buffer.. but maybe it's just my connection?
Definitely seems like Google video has been slashdotted as well.
They sure did figure out how to recreate it, only you might not want to watch for it in the sky
Its awesome that those lightning balls are running around the floor, over wires, past the sandaled feet (!) of the researchers.
Just because someone in a lab makes a ball of feathers that quacks does not mean that they have made a duck!
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Now imagine when they create a version of this with a twenty-foot long circumference and they test it on your neighborhood! That would be shocking to see. :P
Pace VanDevender, a plasma physicist who used to be the VP of the organization I worked in at Sandia National Labs, Albuquerque, NM. He gave a fascinating talk on ball lightning a couple summers ago, and he seems like an all-round brilliant guy. As for the ball lightning created in the Brazilian lab, this doesn't seem to have any of the physical properties of observed ball lightning (except that it's a glowing ball). The ball lightning that has been observed is much larger (up to a meter or more wide), lasts for much longer (minutes/hours), seems to float or move in *any* direction at "will" (unlike this stuff, which just moves like a marble dropped on the floor), and most importantly, is capable of seemingly passing through some objects while completely obliterating others. One possibility is that there are multiple classes of what we would call "ball lightning", each with their own unrelated cause.
Electricity too cheap to meter too! In all those off topic links you forgot the important one about using the oil from snakes.
There have ALWAYS been numerous theories, and numerous tests, which could explain a FEW of the properties of ball lightning, but never ALL of them.
A gas ball sounds good, except for numerous accounts of ball lightning traveling THROUGH solid objects (comming out the other side) all without causing ANY damage to the stationary object at all. How does burning silicon gas do that?
How does this burning gas ball slowly float inches away from people, and not cause them to feel the intense heat from the object?
And how does silicon gas (from a ground lightning strike) suddenly appear floating down the isle of a commercial aircraft in-flight?
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The 8 seconds the balls in this experiment lasted is 8 seconds more than they have lasted in previous experiments (where the lifetime has been measured in milliseconds).
I've seen reports of ball lightning seen from airplanes, and some witnesses claim to have seen it move through solid objects. A theory of ball lightning either has to propose a different mechanism from the silicon hypothesis or else dismiss the reports as mistaken.
Is ball lightning supposed to bounce around the ground like that? I thought it floated. 'Course, I could be mistaken.
From what I recall Nikola Tesla was able to get ball lightning to both float and bounce around. Then again he was able to do a lot of different "amazing" things, like getting people to think an earthquake was hitting New York.
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He said nothing about seeing Emilio Estevez on the fence.
How about Rob Lowe, Andrew McCarthy, Demi Moore or any of the others?
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No, it isn't. "The Americas" is two continents: North America and South America. So Brazil is in the Americas, and in South America, but not in America.
I love the fact that people believed that ball lightning was caused by mini black holes. It's such a sign of the times that people would look at something that's obviously some sort of plasma phenomenon and imagine that it's a black hole ... that people would use their idealized non-resistive mathematical magnetohydrodynamic plasma models that lead to concepts like black holes and dark matter in space to try to describe real world objects that clearly have more to do with plasma. People don't realize that we can describe the entire universe with just the non-idealized properties of plasma *without* the need for things like black holes. Black holes are the result of *ignoring* electricity over plasma in space. In order to compensate for the idealization that plasma in space is not conducting electricity, you have to assume a virtually infinite mass to describe some objects in space. But if you drop the assumption that plasma in space is an ideal conductor with frozen-in magnetic fields, you end up with plasma that can exert electrical forces upon matter in space. And since plasma represents the state of 99%+ of all observable matter in space, this idealization leads to a very significant error term -- in fact, around 95%.
Anybody who is interested in space today needs to learn about plasma. You cannot understand the universe without understanding plasma because the universe basically *is* plasma. The only parts that are *not* plasma are the rocky bodies in space like the planets and the asteroids. If you see articles about space that are not referring specifically to plasma, then it is likely bullshit. There is nothing important happening in space that has anything to do with gases or collections of gas and dust because plasma acts differently than those things. Namely, it includes ions and electrons, which obviously can conduct electricity. It is our (unfortunate) choice to ignore this fact in astrophysics and space articles today.
If people were in the mood to learn from their mistakes, they'd see that it was silly that anybody ever even proposed that mini black holes were causing ball lightning and they might reflect on whether or not this same type of mistake might be happening for bigger balls of plasma in space. As is, it currently appears that people are in denial about plasma's role in the universe. So long as that represents the mood of amateur and professional scientists, there will continue to be mysterious forces and dark particles within the universe and we will continue to be surprised by our observations of electricity over filamentary plasmas in space.
People are getting far too caught up in blacklisting theories because they are out of the mainstream. It's not important that it's called Electric Universe Theory or Plasma Cosmology, or that there aren't many other people who believe in it. Science should not be a popularity contest. What's important is the science that it is based upon. EU Theory and Plasma Cosmology are based upon non-idealized plasma physics. Traditional astrophysics today is based upon an idealized form of plasma physics called magnetohydrodynamics. There is no good reason to assume that electricity does not flow in space over plasma. However, there are decades of research in plasma physics that suggest that in fact electricity can and does flow over plasma in space, and once you take this into consideration, things like black holes are unnecessary. When people call EU Theory a pseudoscience like creationism or UFO's, they're basically stating that they do not believe that astrophysics should have to pay any attention to plasma physics when it doesn't suit their gravity-centric conceptions for the universe. We do not in fact have the luxury of cherry-picking the laws of nature. The laboratory tells us how plasma operates and our job is to learn from it and apply what we learn in the laboratory to our observations of space. Just because astrophysicists currently like the idea of black holes and don't like the idea of electricity over plasma in space doesn't mean that they are right to choose the black hole explanation. Many intelligent people have warned that this is a huge mistake. Time will prove them right.
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With a scene that's much sexier than it has any right to be, a Tinkerbell-like spark enters the ship, finds a sleeping Deanna Troi (Marina Sirtis), moves under her covers, and impregnates her. The alien baby starts to grow much faster than a normal gestation period, shrinking the time frame down to a couple of days. Worf wants to terminate the pregnancy, Data wants to study the life form, and Troi decides to keep the baby no matter what anyone thinks. Once born, the boy continues its rapid growth, but is discovered to have an adverse effect on the specimens of a dangerous plasma plague they are carrying to a scientific research facility. None too subtly, the whole episode explores ideas about family.
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"Scientists have devised numerous possible explanations, including mini black holes left over from the Big Bang, but have had little success in producing working examples." Really? Hmm...
"Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics and the Humboldt University, both in Berlin, have used underwater electrical discharges to generate luminous plasma clouds resembling ball lightning that last for nearly half a second and are up to 20 centimetres across."
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"Now, however, researchers in Israel have built a system that can create lightning balls in the lab."
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Hmm. I'm also looking into this, and the phenomenon seen here does seem to be unusually luminous even for burning silicon.
Its possible that there are several forms of "ball lightning" and what they have discovered is one of those forms.
However, charging the floor with a high voltage (say 8KV) would be a logical next step to see if the free floating type can be duplicated, given that an electrostatic repulsion effect may be in operation.
Also, an additional improvement would be to rapidly spin the vaporised silicon using an axial magnetic field, in the same way as a plasma cutter does.
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I like it that the experimenters appear to be wearing sandals while their white-hot spicy balls fizzle around on the floor. Sacrifice for Science!
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