This is not her problem. It's a problem for the Linux community. That community talks to itself in assorted online media that have little appeal or relevance for the rest of the human race who are not enamored with tech for the sake of tech.
If this teacher, or anyone else, is unaware of the truth about Linux, that represents a failure by Linux.
You know, there are commercials about people trying out Vista without being told it's Vista and they have a good experience.
Then there is Burger King with their new campaign for find people who have never had a Whopper. The Whopper virgins. We should send geeks out on a Linux virgin tour to introduce people to Linux...
Yeah see, speaking as an old guy who can grok TANSTAAFL, all those things are supposed to be repaid in kind. You watch his house, he watches yours, you help each other dig out from blizzards and you each trim the hedges you share on both sides every other time.
It's how society works when people aren't being a**holes.
Look at how many Americans died because of Bin Laden's orders. Roughly 3000.
Small nitpick: Though it's true only 3,000 people died on September 11th, there were over 17,000 people in the towers at the time of impact. That doesn't include the intentions of the other two targets.
Shortly after the attacks, Bin Laden expressed surprise and elation that his attacks had been so successful. Based on this, even he did not expect the death toll nor the physical destruction to be so high. Until this point terrorism (of the Bin Laden type) had actually claimed very few lives.
The district judge had best start working on drafting his contempt-of-court finding against the White house for destruction of evidence.
Either that or send an advance police force to the WH to confiscate all the paper shredders... because we well know exactly what's going to happen to those memos instead of getting to the court.
The way I heard it was they sent all those documents to Arthur Anderson for safe keeping, so it should be easy to dig them up.
I don't understand why the source code itself is the distinction between something being verifiable or non-verifiable. It seems the results of the machine under standard testing would.
Interesting since other companies have no problem showing their code:
Other breath-analyzer companies provide their source codes and will sell their products to anyone, Nesci said.
And why ask for the source code?
The source codes are crucial, though, because the Intoxilyzer 8000 sometimes gives "weird" or inexplicable results, Nesci said.
"The source code would allow us to see what the actual error was when the machine gets the weird readings," Nesci said.
"'Weird' or inexplicable results" should not be allowed as evidence. Accurate or not at all.
And the fires that do burn there burn at lower temperatures and closer to the ground because they burn more frequently keeping the small fuels cleared out. It's when the small fires are prevented from burning that you end up with things like AZ's 2002 fire season. The various stages of growth that has been allowed to accumulate allow fire to get to the tops of the oldest trees (crown fire) due what's called a fuel ladder.
We fill in bubbles on our ballots here and then they are scanned. You have the paper ballots to check against the machine counts if there is any question.
I don't know whether it is that,or they are just sticking the Linux boxes in the corner. They tell the CIO "Linux? Sure it is good for email servers,since email is full of spam and malware nowadays,or for a file server that you want access to on the DMZ without authentication,but do you really want to give up the ease of use that is your AD domain?
No. Microsoft is not going to tell people that *nix is good for mail servers. Nor are they going to tell people that it's a good file server. They offer those products already.
What MS might do is play, "Oh you're thinking about using Linux in your network? You know, Linux is hard to use but we got your back with these support contracts. And you wouldn't want just anyone selling you a support contract, we have a fully paid up perpetual license for Linux"
The coddled child problem seems to fix itself IMHO. I lived in a house with a kid, 19, just out too college and had a room rented by his parents. Fucker couldn't even do laundry. Couldn't figure out a bus route, couldn't make basic food like eggs or sandwich. He literally FAILED college because he wasn't capable of the most basic self reliance.
These kids are Fail. how well will someone preform at their job if every time they have a problem they call mommy? they don't. I know so many of these manchilds. They can't get laid, they can't get promoted, they can't have good conversation. I don't see these people after I got past jr. year and entry level, because they haven't the skills to follow.
It looked just like regular film to me. But it was hard to tell, since I was with a girl who doesn't understand that sitting way back in the last row of a movie theater defeats the purpose of going to one in the first place. But I'm sure it was at least 2K (2048×1080 at 24 fps).
You were with a girl? In the back row? And you were thinking about screen resolution?
A reporter is visiting a prison in order to do a story. She notices during lunch that people occasionally yell out numbers and everyone else laughs. "47!" (laughter). "25!" (laughter).
Curious she asks her guard escort the story behind the numbers and laughter. The guard tells her, "these guys have been here so long they don't even bother with the jokes anymore. They just yell out the number and everyone laughs because they know the punchline."
Amazed, she watches a while longer. Another inmate stands up and yells, "13!" but gets no response.
The guard casually says, "old Sammy. He never could tell a joke."
What everyone seems to miss about embrace, extend, extinguish is the "extend" part. That means Microsoft improves over what was there before. Look at Schema as one example. It's just more useful.
The "extend" part is normally done by taking a standards compliant product and extending it into non-standards compliant territory. Extinguish is so much easier when only Windows will do the "standard".
I am lost. Just what is Microsoft supposed to do to make people who use (F)OSS happy? Not helping with open source didn't cut it. Trying to help open source, apparently, doesn't cut it either. What (realistic) thing is Microsoft supposed to do, anyway?
How about releasing source code to their orphaned products - DOS, Windows 9x under a OSI compatible license? How about not calling their "competition" a cancer? The thing is they disparaged, lied, cheated and stole at every turn. They did it to Apple, they did it to IBM, they did it to every little company that had a product that Gates didn't want to see in the market. If they couldn't crush a competitor by buying them for a pittance they announced vaporware that shriveled up demand for a real product on the shelf. They can't do that with FOSS. There is no company to buy. They can't hurt anyone by announcing vaporware. The only thing they had left was to call it a cancer, call in anti-American and threaten the nebulous "users" with patent lawsuits. Their attempt to crush or collect from FOSS/Linux through SCO has failed. Their patent threats may be mooted by the recent moves on the part of the USPTO and the recent "we won't sue you" overtones could prove meaningless.
Microsoft has nearly always benefited from FOSS. I'm certainly not the first to point out the BSD network stack.
You know Open Source is kinda like that Bruce Willis character in "The Last Boy Scout". All we want is to be treated with respect and just like with Willis, the thug (Microsoft) pulls the lighter away from our cigarette and punches us across the face. Says Willis, "you touch me again, I'll kill ya."
Once the Tier-1 access has been extended to the central portion
of the Rez they already have the wired infrastructure hooked
up to the centralized satellite system they have been using.
The infrastructure is the existing satellite receivers coupled with the solar panels to power them. They are not connected together other than via satellite.
If a cable TV company can do it, the tribe can contract someone to
do it in a matter of a few weeks.
Even if you are right about how long it would take once approved, that's a five year plus approval process. The Rez is a tough place to try to do business.
I promise you they are paying a butt load for that satellite
and I bet the latency for real time apps sucks.
If 10% of the tribe signed up at dial up prices, ie. $20/mo.
they could $48,000 a month approx. coming in and it would
cover the cost of the OC-3.
Well, someone is paying for it, but the Tribe is not.
Again, the 60 mile figure was used to indicate how far some people have to drive to get to the next available net connection (the nearest non reservation town). They were also using the satellite service for VOIP indicating that there isn't an existing phone infrastructure. If you've ever visited the Rez you understand this. You can travel for over an hour without a cell signal.
I don't dispute your numbers, but I think the hurdles are higher than the article would indicate. This is like wiring the rain forest or the Australian outback.
I'm certainly not trying to get into a pissing match with you, but my understanding was that, for starters, you had to be Navajo to hold office on the rez. Am I mistaken or am I misinterpreting what you mean by "ran the Rez"?
As in Rez runner. Not the highest hits, but I did business on the reservation. Nothing to do with government.
I'd agree with that. Having one site wired (or not wired as the case may be) for internet is one thing. Getting permission for placing WAN infrastructure no matter how minimally intrusive can't circumvent the government. At some point you'd have to access a telephone pole or something.
I don't think the telephone poles belong to the government, they belong to the utility company which might make it harder to do. Technologically speaking adding a WAP to the Post Office at the Gap (which has a pay phone so it has copper) with repeaters up and down the road is dead simple. Adding a point to point to the Gap Chapter house is dead simple. The summary and subsequent posts have asked, "can't FOSS do something?" The answer is a qualified yes. But no one is going to do it with a single run of fiber as the original GP suggested. It's either satellite which they don't pay for or it's a solution that will require some kind of equity - sweat or cash. It's a solution that will require the government either step in or get out of the way. If the government chooses to step aside then maybe the people themselves can do something. Postulating from the sidelines will not accomplish anything unless some industrious Diné steps in.
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This is not her problem. It's a problem for the Linux community. That community talks to itself in assorted online media that have little appeal or relevance for the rest of the human race who are not enamored with tech for the sake of tech.
If this teacher, or anyone else, is unaware of the truth about Linux, that represents a failure by Linux.
You know, there are commercials about people trying out Vista without being told it's Vista and they have a good experience.
Then there is Burger King with their new campaign for find people who have never had a Whopper. The Whopper virgins. We should send geeks out on a Linux virgin tour to introduce people to Linux...
Yeah see, speaking as an old guy who can grok TANSTAAFL, all those things are supposed to be repaid in kind. You watch his house, he watches yours, you help each other dig out from blizzards and you each trim the hedges you share on both sides every other time.
It's how society works when people aren't being a**holes.
So I install your software you install mine?
Look at how many Americans died because of Bin Laden's orders. Roughly 3000.
Small nitpick: Though it's true only 3,000 people died on September 11th, there were over 17,000 people in the towers at the time of impact. That doesn't include the intentions of the other two targets.
Shortly after the attacks, Bin Laden expressed surprise and elation that his attacks had been so successful. Based on this, even he did not expect the death toll nor the physical destruction to be so high. Until this point terrorism (of the Bin Laden type) had actually claimed very few lives.
The district judge had best start working on drafting his contempt-of-court finding against the White house for destruction of evidence.
Either that or send an advance police force to the WH to confiscate all the paper shredders... because we well know exactly what's going to happen to those memos instead of getting to the court.
The way I heard it was they sent all those documents to Arthur Anderson for safe keeping, so it should be easy to dig them up.
If you can't pay for it, it's not necessary.
Bobby Henderson, is that you?
That is, of course, until hurricane McCain blows your ass into the US shoreline - then you will have to answer to US laws.
Interesting since other companies have no problem showing their code:
And why ask for the source code?
"'Weird' or inexplicable results" should not be allowed as evidence. Accurate or not at all.
Idaho
Was she attractive?
No. She looked like potato.
Isn't criticism an allowed fair use? Note the Halloween documents were "published" in just such a manner.
Would you prefer the modern version?
Duct tape + Saran Wrap will save you from NBC weapons!
I knew there was something fishy about that Matt Lauer! Now I know how to protect myself.
And the fires that do burn there burn at lower temperatures and closer to the ground because they burn more frequently keeping the small fuels cleared out. It's when the small fires are prevented from burning that you end up with things like AZ's 2002 fire season. The various stages of growth that has been allowed to accumulate allow fire to get to the tops of the oldest trees (crown fire) due what's called a fuel ladder.
We fill in bubbles on our ballots here and then they are scanned. You have the paper ballots to check against the machine counts if there is any question.
A trebuchet is a form of catapult.
It's a catapult? I thought they were throwing them complete with MS Office http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet_MS
I don't know whether it is that,or they are just sticking the Linux boxes in the corner. They tell the CIO "Linux? Sure it is good for email servers,since email is full of spam and malware nowadays,or for a file server that you want access to on the DMZ without authentication,but do you really want to give up the ease of use that is your AD domain?
No. Microsoft is not going to tell people that *nix is good for mail servers. Nor are they going to tell people that it's a good file server. They offer those products already.
What MS might do is play, "Oh you're thinking about using Linux in your network? You know, Linux is hard to use but we got your back with these support contracts. And you wouldn't want just anyone selling you a support contract, we have a fully paid up perpetual license for Linux"
The coddled child problem seems to fix itself IMHO. I lived in a house with a kid, 19, just out too college and had a room rented by his parents. Fucker couldn't even do laundry. Couldn't figure out a bus route, couldn't make basic food like eggs or sandwich. He literally FAILED college because he wasn't capable of the most basic self reliance. These kids are Fail. how well will someone preform at their job if every time they have a problem they call mommy? they don't. I know so many of these manchilds. They can't get laid, they can't get promoted, they can't have good conversation. I don't see these people after I got past jr. year and entry level, because they haven't the skills to follow.
And how did you do in grammar? Sheesh!
oh look, it's mr. fancy pants lawyer.
I think Ray actually prefers jeans.
You say tomato, I say fruit.
What? No funny?
It looked just like regular film to me. But it was hard to tell, since I was with a girl who doesn't understand that sitting way back in the last row of a movie theater defeats the purpose of going to one in the first place. But I'm sure it was at least 2K (2048×1080 at 24 fps).
You were with a girl? In the back row? And you were thinking about screen resolution?
You mean like MS?
A reporter is visiting a prison in order to do a story. She notices during lunch that people occasionally yell out numbers and everyone else laughs. "47!" (laughter). "25!" (laughter).
Curious she asks her guard escort the story behind the numbers and laughter. The guard tells her, "these guys have been here so long they don't even bother with the jokes anymore. They just yell out the number and everyone laughs because they know the punchline."
Amazed, she watches a while longer. Another inmate stands up and yells, "13!" but gets no response.
The guard casually says, "old Sammy. He never could tell a joke."
"Chairs!"
What everyone seems to miss about embrace, extend, extinguish is the "extend" part. That means Microsoft improves over what was there before. Look at Schema as one example. It's just more useful.
The "extend" part is normally done by taking a standards compliant product and extending it into non-standards compliant territory. Extinguish is so much easier when only Windows will do the "standard".
I am lost. Just what is Microsoft supposed to do to make people who use (F)OSS happy? Not helping with open source didn't cut it. Trying to help open source, apparently, doesn't cut it either. What (realistic) thing is Microsoft supposed to do, anyway?
How about releasing source code to their orphaned products - DOS, Windows 9x under a OSI compatible license? How about not calling their "competition" a cancer? The thing is they disparaged, lied, cheated and stole at every turn. They did it to Apple, they did it to IBM, they did it to every little company that had a product that Gates didn't want to see in the market. If they couldn't crush a competitor by buying them for a pittance they announced vaporware that shriveled up demand for a real product on the shelf. They can't do that with FOSS. There is no company to buy. They can't hurt anyone by announcing vaporware. The only thing they had left was to call it a cancer, call in anti-American and threaten the nebulous "users" with patent lawsuits. Their attempt to crush or collect from FOSS/Linux through SCO has failed. Their patent threats may be mooted by the recent moves on the part of the USPTO and the recent "we won't sue you" overtones could prove meaningless.
Microsoft has nearly always benefited from FOSS. I'm certainly not the first to point out the BSD network stack.
You know Open Source is kinda like that Bruce Willis character in "The Last Boy Scout". All we want is to be treated with respect and just like with Willis, the thug (Microsoft) pulls the lighter away from our cigarette and punches us across the face. Says Willis, "you touch me again, I'll kill ya."
Once the Tier-1 access has been extended to the central portion of the Rez they already have the wired infrastructure hooked up to the centralized satellite system they have been using.
The infrastructure is the existing satellite receivers coupled with the solar panels to power them. They are not connected together other than via satellite.
If a cable TV company can do it, the tribe can contract someone to do it in a matter of a few weeks.
Even if you are right about how long it would take once approved, that's a five year plus approval process. The Rez is a tough place to try to do business.
I promise you they are paying a butt load for that satellite and I bet the latency for real time apps sucks. If 10% of the tribe signed up at dial up prices, ie. $20/mo. they could $48,000 a month approx. coming in and it would cover the cost of the OC-3.
Well, someone is paying for it, but the Tribe is not.
Again, the 60 mile figure was used to indicate how far some people have to drive to get to the next available net connection (the nearest non reservation town). They were also using the satellite service for VOIP indicating that there isn't an existing phone infrastructure. If you've ever visited the Rez you understand this. You can travel for over an hour without a cell signal.
I don't dispute your numbers, but I think the hurdles are higher than the article would indicate. This is like wiring the rain forest or the Australian outback.
I'm certainly not trying to get into a pissing match with you, but my understanding was that, for starters, you had to be Navajo to hold office on the rez. Am I mistaken or am I misinterpreting what you mean by "ran the Rez"?
As in Rez runner. Not the highest hits, but I did business on the reservation. Nothing to do with government.
I'd agree with that. Having one site wired (or not wired as the case may be) for internet is one thing. Getting permission for placing WAN infrastructure no matter how minimally intrusive can't circumvent the government. At some point you'd have to access a telephone pole or something.
I don't think the telephone poles belong to the government, they belong to the utility company which might make it harder to do.
Technologically speaking adding a WAP to the Post Office at the Gap (which has a pay phone so it has copper) with repeaters up and down the road is dead simple. Adding a point to point to the Gap Chapter house is dead simple. The summary and subsequent posts have asked, "can't FOSS do something?" The answer is a qualified yes. But no one is going to do it with a single run of fiber as the original GP suggested. It's either satellite which they don't pay for or it's a solution that will require some kind of equity - sweat or cash. It's a solution that will require the government either step in or get out of the way. If the government chooses to step aside then maybe the people themselves can do something. Postulating from the sidelines will not accomplish anything unless some industrious Diné steps in.