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Nonprofit Group Sends Filesharing Propaganda To Students

palegray.net writes "The National Center for State Courts, a nonprofit organization, has sent file-sharing propaganda to thousands of students. The supposedly 'educational' materials, presented in the form of a comic strip, are intended to frighten students with gross exaggerations of the legal consequences of sharing music online (lose your scholarship to college, go to jail for two years, and more). From the article: '"The Case of Internet Piracy," however, reads like the Recording Industry Association of America's public relations playbook: Download some songs, go to jail and lose your scholarship. Along the way, musicians will file onto the bread lines. "The purpose is basically to educate kids — middle school and high school-aged about how the justice system operates and about what really goes on in the courtroom as opposed to what you see on television," said Lorri Montgomery, the center's communications director.' I'm not encouraging anyone to break any laws, but this is ridiculous. What's truly discouraging is the fact that several judges appear to be in full support of this sort of 'education.' The propaganda material is available in PDF form, and it lists the judges and others involved in its creation. Wired's post has a summary of the story (which is good, since the story is awful), and Techdirt notes a couple of the legal inaccuracies.

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  1. Best coverage on p2pnet.net by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    The best coverage of this has been on p2pnet.net, where Jon Newton has been trying to get answers out of these people as to (1) where this drivel comes from, (2) who is responsible for it, and (3) when is it going to be corrected or withdrawn? See, e.g, here, , and here.

    But this one was my favorite.

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    1. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Look, I'm no fan of RIAA, but calling this "propaganda" and saying the the RIAA is behind it is over the top, invented out of whole cloth, and a conspiracy loon's fantasy.

    2. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Shill. Fifty bucks says Ray is dead on.

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    3. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by multisync · · Score: 5, Informative

      Look, I'm no fan of RIAA, but calling this "propaganda" and saying the the RIAA is behind it is over the top, invented out of whole cloth, and a conspiracy loon's fantasy.

      You're either a troll, or incredibly naive. This reminds me of the the Captain Copyright propaganda campaign Access Copyright ran in Canada a couple of years back. In addition to giving one-sided and often inaccurate information to school children, and omitting important aspects of copyright such as fair use (known as "fair dealing" in Canada), they also appeared to violate copyright law themselves by failing to abide by the terms of the Wikipedia's Free Document License.

      I would like to see an effort made to educate the next generation on issues such as the erosion of our privacy, the lack of balance in current and - in Canada, at any rate - proposed copyright legislation, and the importance of looking at the source of information and considering what that source's motives may be for providing it. Maybe some savvy teacher will use this as an example of never relying on a single source for information on a given subject.

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    4. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by witte · · Score: 1

      I've gone through the whole comic, just for the hell of it.
      If this isn't propaganda, i don't know what is.

    5. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably also true, too, but that's beside the point.

    6. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by LunaticTippy · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can't believe they took a swing at evil libraries. Destroyer of homes, lender of copyrighted materials.

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    7. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Aren't the people distributing this PDF file running the risk of a copyright infringement lawsuit?

    8. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by I+cant+believe+its+n · · Score: 1

      Ha, ha, ha.

      "...through all of history, our way of life has been under attack by enemies so vile, nefarious and larger-than-life that their very existence would make you want to upchuck in your shorts..."

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    9. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 1

      Don't you speak of Captain Copyright like that! Kids look up to him!

      The full length movie will be coming out any day now, and then how will you feel?

    10. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Funny

      >The full length movie will be coming out any day now, and then how will you feel?

      Got a torrent?

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    11. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Thaddeaus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I had that same exact thought when I read the posters and the comics. The is just CC all over again!!!! The Captain copyright thing that came out a couple years ago was a joke but I'm not sure that the business or whoever's putting out the this ad really knows what they're doing.

      A much much thing to do whatever he could have expression of actual teacher is state law teachers come in, if there is a great study the entire college students I mean, you're grabbing several disciples out that you've lost 31 arts that young creativity arts and everything language, you know dumb down the legalese and it makes sense to be general once you can do that then you can make a comment or you can get you the basic idea of comic, an expert would have to be the comic makers themselves in bed to take the facts he hath scrimp neoteny it just needs to flow into the and concert onto the beach. They understand that they they're good with the pens and pencils and everything and making and creating comics

    12. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      It's probably also true, too, but that's beside the point.

      No, that would be your ear.

    13. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by gcalvin · · Score: 1

      I wondered about this too. Unless Wired got "the express written permission of the National Council of State Courts" (see page 2 of the PDF), it seems that they're in violation.

    14. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      I agree,
      Since when is copyright violation a criminal offence?

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    15. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think the mafiaa should be sued about this. they think were stupid i guess and will be scared. i think the mafiaa is just to greedy and i cant aford what they charge for there cds so i just dl them because they dont need more money. i think copywrites last to long anyways.

    16. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by eonlabs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, there seems to be a trend going on here.

      Duck and Cover, and you too will be able to survive a nuclear blast... with heavy radiation poisoning...

      Smoky the Bear says you can stop forest fires, which is good, because many plants and animals living in areas with forest fires actually depend on the fires for their natural life cycles at this point. We can't have that. Also, stopping forest fires causes a buildup of underbrush, which means that when lighting strikes in a forest, and something sparks naturally (because that can happen), or when it's just hot enough, the fires are bigger and less controllable than the little ones.

      For a guidebook on what privacy concerns might end up being in the future, look at the game paranoia. Laughing is not mandatory, but is highly recommended!

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    17. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by jelton · · Score: 1

      Ray, I have a lot of respect for you.

      That being said, the first of your three favorite links linked to another p2pnet.net page criticizing the families of the 16 teenagers who appeared in the 2004 Apple/Pepsi iTunes Super Bowl Ads. After reading that , I'm not sure I can take anything on p2pnet.net seriously.

      It's one thing to say the ads were crass (they were) or express concern about the bargaining power of the families relative to Apple, Pepsi and CBS. It is, however, quite another to criticize the parents and teens facing thousands of dollars in legal bills for taking the opportunity presented to them to appear in that ad and potentially pay off their bills.

      I have no idea if you've commented on this elsewhere. If you have, and we're in lock-step, then please ignore my comments.

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    18. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      who needs to exaggerate the truth much anyway. If you want "fair and balanced" just put up slashdot articles. If you share on P2P it's not the jail that gets you, it's your parents getting their asses sued for thousands of dollars. Even "winning" costs $10K+ and you won't see anything back. Just read what kind of claims professional lawyers are making, dirty court tricks putting the case in hard to get to courts and requesting ex parte decisions from judges before you even get the "settlement" letter... The sheer hassle and liability alone should scare most people off.

      It does no good to put falsehoods... just put the truth.

    19. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by zxnos · · Score: 1

      what is really funny is that they take a swing at eminent domain. which, while generally disliked, is a perfectly legal way to take something for less than it is really worth.

      they also think it is important to ruin the life of one of the schools best students for some music she wouldn't have bought anyway. (btw, i hate that argument.)

      i generally think sharing music without paying is bad karma. personally, as an architect (the one that builds physical things), i like to be compensated for my work. even if it can be distributed as 1s and 0s.

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    20. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Eg0Death · · Score: 2, Funny
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    21. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite part of p2pnet.net is this part:

      "If youâ(TM)d like to comment on the comic, or contact someone about it, try:

      dgager@ncsc.org
      757-259-1864
      "

      : )

    22. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      I had no idea what you were talking about, but I went and read the link you provided, and I think your characterization of it is way, way off base.

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    23. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Shill.

      Definitely. Any post that starts out "I'm no friend of the RIAA, but...." is a dead giveaway.

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    24. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Lockejaw · · Score: 1
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    25. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by shiftless · · Score: 0

      Stopping forest fires causes a buildup of underbrush? Apparently you have never been inside an old (i.e. untouched by humans) forest before. They are typically very open, easily navigable, and underbrush-free, because the tall canopy blocks most of the light from coming through and thus retards vegetation growth. Recently (i.e. in the past 50-100 years) logged/burnt lands, on the other hand, are typically choked with underbrush, briars, honeysuckle, etc. It takes at least a hundred years for a typical forest to return back to normal, longer in places with slower growing trees.

    26. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by BootNinja · · Score: 1

      Sir, I salute you. I'm usually pretty good at deciphering poor grammar and getting the gist of a post, but the masterpiece you crafted above is completely incomprehensible. That takes some real talent.

    27. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by eonlabs · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Oh, but I have... Not one of them was devoid of dry fuels.

      My favorite are the pine barrens on the East coast, which, are short, develop a VERY thick underbrush, burn every 30 years, or every 5 in the case of the dwarf pines. You'll see a lot of tall grasses, which dries well and burns easily.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_barrens

      Dry needles and leaves can provide plenty of fuel for a good burn. Why is the bark of a Redwood tree fire resistant? If they weren't prepared for natural forest fires, I don't expect they would be able to live NEARLY as long as they do. And their forest typically DOES have underbrush, although not nearly as much as the shorter forests.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequoia
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Del_Norte_Titan_230.jpg

      The most significant thing is the fact some plants require a burn in order to reproduce.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Pine
      "It is fire-adapted to stand-replacing fires, with the cones remaining closed for many years, until a natural forest fire kills the mature trees and opens the cones. These then reseed the burnt ground."

      And, while yes, there are forests that Don't have fires like this, ALL of the ones I've really been through do. Even the VERY mature ones.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_fire

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    28. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by jelton · · Score: 1

      Why did I even bother hitting submit the first time? I should just keep my niggling critiques to myself so I don't have to justify them.

      Having reread the article myself, I think I may have overreacted. Nevertheless, I don't think my characterization is completely out of kilter, given this passage:

      She's one of 16 naive US teenagers 'persuaded' to appear in the 45-second spot which was to have reprised Apple's triumph of 1984 when, in the first Super Bowl 'event' ad, it launched the Mac.

      However, the 2004 production will be remembered with shame.

      The 16 teenagers were identified by the RIAA as alleged 'copyright violators' - 'alleged' because they never appeared before a judge. They, or their parents, settled out of court rather than risk much larger financial penalties had they gone head-to-head with the RIAA's heavyweight legal team, and lost.

      The kids were naive? Really? It was shameful that they or their parents chose to settle out of court? As I said previously, it is one thing to criticize the advertisement itself and quite another to attack the kids and their families. Perhaps Jon Newton meant that the ad was shameful or that Apple and Pepsi's actions were shameful. But if that is the case, why place that single sentence between two paragraphs that largely discuss the actions of the kids and their families?

      In any event, it's a little thing and I wasn't trying to cast aspersions on you or Newton, it was just something that struck me from my first read-through. I'm sure the mods will catch up with me anyway.

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    29. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      But this one was my favorite.

      The emphasis in the panel on the bottom-left at the end of that page clinches it:

      We do not want to minimize the impact of these crimes on the industry and artists, who are the victims .

      Note how "artists" isn't emphasized but "industry" is? (And, for that matter, how it implies this is a criminal, not civil matter, but that's been said)

      - RG>

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    30. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your hovercraft is full of eels.

    31. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next you'll be telling me that teaching kids to look left and right before crossing the street is evil propaganda too.

    32. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by eonlabs · · Score: 1

      It's fine if you drive on the right side of the road. In countries where you drive on the left, it's good to look right and then left! More friends of mine have had close calls on the return trip from Japan than you can imagine. It's very easy to overlook.

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    33. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by shiftless · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. I still think it's a good idea to avoid CAUSING forest fires, i.e. from camp fires, cigarettes, etc. Let them happen naturally. Unfortunately, we can't just let them burn since unchecked they'll burn down a lot of houses and towns. Maybe it's not possible in this instance to allow things to happen naturally and simultaneously protect our own interests.

    34. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by shark72 · · Score: 1

      Copyright law has had criminal penalties for many years now -- the first one was added to US copyright law in 1897 -- more than 100 years ago. Criminal offenses predate Slashdot and even the RIAA.

      The scope of criminal infringement was broadened in 1997 with the NET act, which opened up criminal enforcement even if there's no profit motive involved. This was seen as necessary to deal with warez BBSes that were distributing lots of copyrighted material without charging for it.

      You can read the actual copyright law regarding criminal offenses here.

      Here's an interesting piece of trivia: you know the FBI warning that appears when you watch a DVD, that warns of fines and jail time even if there's no money involved? I don't mean the DVD rips you torrent, of course, but the legit ones. The NET act allows the FBI to claim this.

      Just to be clear: I'm aware that many Slashdotters like to claim copyright law is a civil matter, not a criminal one. This is one of those ugly little memes that won't go away. Copyright violation holds both civil and criminal penalties, and the sooner everybody understands this, the better.

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    35. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      Well, he must have been modded by a student doing a degree in Arts - specializing in post-modern theory - because that post is now at +2 Insightful.

      My hovercraft is full of eels, indeed.

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    36. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Mr. Beckerman, is it cool for a non-profit to front for a for-profit corporation? What I'm asking in so many words is "can we harass these people by pointing out to the IRS and their state tax people that they're not really a non-profit?"

    37. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by thegnu · · Score: 1

      You're either a troll, or incredibly naive.

      And this guy pops up on a story where the TFA is a comic book. LAWL, trolls. Can't read picture books. :)

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    38. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm no friend of the RIAA, but since I went in a hot tub at the gym, I have this rash on my leg and it won't go away. Saying the the RIAA is behind it is over the top, invented out of whole cloth, and a conspiracy loon's fantasy.

    39. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, go watch a Smokey the Bear public service announcement again and try and grok its meaning this time without your ideological blinders on. Smokey's simple message is about preventing forest fires that occur due to human negligence, and makes no mention of forest fires due to natural causes, or even controlled burns by the Forestry Service. Critiquing the Forest Service's forest burn policies, and the politics that are involved in it are one thing, but that has absolutely nothing to do with reminding the outdoor-going public to use fire safely and responsibly so that not only forest wildlife is protected, but also human life and property as well.

    40. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Lunarsight · · Score: 1

      The best coverage of this has been on p2pnet.net, where Jon Newton has been trying to get answers out of these people as to (1) where this drivel comes from, (2) who is responsible for it, and (3) when is it going to be corrected or withdrawn? See, e.g, here, , and here.

      You know -- speaking of copyright infringement..

      I think Jack Chick is going to sue these dweebs for stealing his gimmick.

      I believe he owns the rights to the act of creating inaccurate propaganda in comic book form.

    41. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by iosq · · Score: 1

      It dosen't take long to get a good measure of the creators personalities. http://www.laynemorgan.com/portfolio_frame.html My favorite was "USAF Adventurea". Wait, no, I actually much preferred "Terrorist Response Team"

    42. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      Mr. Beckerman, is it cool for a non-profit to front for a for-profit corporation?

      It depends on what type of non-profit it is. If it's a 501(c)(3) corporation, it's definitely not "cool" (read not "legal").

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    43. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1
      I would especially point you to this part of the article you are discussing, which I think makes it clear that Jon put the blame on the RIAA, not on the kids or their families:

      Questions
      A number of questions go begging, however.
      * Did the kids appearing in the commercials know exactly what the script would have them saying - specifically, that the word 'prosecuted' would be used? And did they know there'd be suggestive overlays superimposed while their images flashed up?
      * Did the 'actors' or their parents or their guardians or lawyers see and OK the ads - and the various elements such as the overlays - in writing after they'd been edited and approved for airing by Pepsi and Apple?
      * Were they given the option of backing out if they didn't like the look of the final cut, if they indeed saw it?
      * Was the agreement between BBDO and the teenagers carefully crafted and honestly written to protect them?
      * Or was it a standard 'name and likeness for a fee' boilerplate or worse, a cold and cynical contract made by a calculating team of highly paid lawyers and account executives with 16 naive and easily impressed youngsters to insulate Pepsi, iTunes and CBS from possible libel suits filed by the teenagers after the ad was cut?

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    44. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by eonlabs · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine is actually a firefighter who works with these types of fires. They do controlled burns to reduce the fuel sources and help promote the natural life cycles. I've worked on hardware designed to help monitor some of the burns to make for better predictions of the actual behavior of a fire. Very cool stuff. You should look into the stuff they do in Colorado and California to deal with forest fires if you're interested. This might be a good place to start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drip_torch

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    45. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by multisync · · Score: 1

      i generally think sharing music without paying is bad karma. personally, as an architect (the one that builds physical things), i like to be compensated for my work. even if it can be distributed as 1s and 0s.

      I support copyright as well. I just think the pendulum has swung too far in one direction, and the corporate media cartels are doing everything in their power to maintain their role as gate keepers of our culture. Artists and other copyright holders should have some control over how their work is disseminated, and share in the wealth it creates.

      But a healthy culture depends on the free flow of ideas, and the ability to create, experience, reinterpret, mimic and reinvent without fear of being sued in to poverty by a bunch of greedy carpetbaggers.

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    46. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      smokey the bear was intended to keep morons from setting the forest on fire accadentally

    47. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      Here's Bob Cringely's take on the comics. Although his futurisms tend to be disproved with time, he does have insight when it comes to the present:

      The Recording Industry Association of America probably sees itself as a band of caped crusaders fighting for truth, justice and the American way. (And in this case, "American Way" translates into propping up a dying cartel seeking to squeeze as many pennies out of consumers as possible before they sink into the ooze.)

      Probably a fitting description of that cartel if there was any.

      The second set of comics by the NCSC deals with another topic that's touchy with libertarians: eminent domain. You know, the concept where the government can ignore the idea that your property is yours and simply take it because they're sovereign (and, most likely, because you're a convicted felon)?

      It's both interesting and disturbing that "several legal scholars" would green-light a publication that depicts file-sharing as criminal infringement. Notice also that a known conservative ad agency wrote the thing, and we all know how the so-called media "conservatives" love corporations. How dare the students steal stuff from the defenseless record companies. We oughta lock them up with the murderers and rapists and destroy their lives before they realize that they should've been tried in civil court.

      This isn't "education". It's right-wing media propaganda.

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    48. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      If it were that easy to charge someone sharing a few songs with Limewire with a criminal offense ... why isn't the RIAA doing just that? They'd much prefer to hand out jail time rather than fines, given that this is all about scaring millions of people from sharing music.

      All their cases so far appear to have been filed as civil suits, not criminal, and the reason for that seems more evidentiary in nature. They can barely "prove" copyright infringement to a civil court, and then only if the judge is asleep as the wheel.

      Sure, if they were able to go from "a preponderance of evidence" to "beyond a reasonable doubt", the RIAA's lawsuit machine might be very different, and a lot of people might be in jail. But that's just not the case, and so as far as the typical filesharer is concerned, copyright is a civil matter.

      There may eventually be some criminal proceedings resulting from all this, but it will likely involve RIAA, record label and MediaSentry exectives.

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    49. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by shark72 · · Score: 1

      Your analysis is correct. When using the legal system you often tend to go for the charges you think will stick, rather than taking it to the extremes of what you could nail somebody for. As you mentioned, the burden of proof is much lower in the civil court. Although the RIAA tries to go for people who are sharing thousands of files, my understanding from reading the judgements is that damages are found for sharing just a few tracks. The threshold for criminal infringement is $1,000 worth of material (e.g. a thousand copies of the same item worth a buck, one copy each of a thousand items worth a buck, or any combination in between). While I've no doubt that some of the MP3 file sharers who've been busted have provided more than a thousand audio tracks valued at a buck each, that would be tough to prove.

      When people are busted for criminal copyright infringement, it's usually the federal government bringing the charges, and the bustee is usually somebody who's leaked a movie before its release, or the idiot who's selling counterfeit software.

      That's why it's important that we kill this meme. If somebody succumbs to the Slashdot "copyright infringement has no criminal penalties" nonsense and then goes about leaking a movie to the torrent sites before it's released, that's one more person who went to jail who shouldn't have.

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    50. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But criminal prosecution is normally limited to substantial infringement or organized crimes. So that meme is perfectly valid in this context.

    51. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duck and cover was excellent advice for people outside instant annihilation range, but still close enough to be burnt or blinded by the light, or in danger from collapsing masonry. Please stop parroting the bullshit idea that it was intended to save people from close range effects.

    52. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      It's both interesting and disturbing that "several legal scholars" would green-light a publication that depicts file-sharing as criminal infringement.

      I guarantee that no "legal scholars" reviewed it, and that their claim that it was reviewed by "legal scholars" is fantasy.

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    53. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you prefer the modern version?

      Duct tape + Saran Wrap will save you from NBC weapons!

    54. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by hkmwbz · · Score: 1

      The Recording Industry Association of America probably sees itself as a band of caped crusaders fighting for truth, justice and the American way.

      I actually disagree. Their goal is to make money and controlling entertainment, not justice or "The American Way", whatever that may be.

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    55. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by hkmwbz · · Score: 1

      Why, hello again, shill.

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    56. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by pfleming · · Score: 1

      And the fires that do burn there burn at lower temperatures and closer to the ground because they burn more frequently keeping the small fuels cleared out. It's when the small fires are prevented from burning that you end up with things like AZ's 2002 fire season. The various stages of growth that has been allowed to accumulate allow fire to get to the tops of the oldest trees (crown fire) due what's called a fuel ladder.

    57. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by pfleming · · Score: 1

      Would you prefer the modern version?

      Duct tape + Saran Wrap will save you from NBC weapons!

      I knew there was something fishy about that Matt Lauer! Now I know how to protect myself.

    58. Re:Best coverage on p2pnet.net by pfleming · · Score: 1

      Isn't criticism an allowed fair use? Note the Halloween documents were "published" in just such a manner.

  2. Courts are Public by xstonedogx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Take the kids to a court if you want them educated about how courts work.

    1. Re:Courts are Public by bigredradio · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think that is their intent. Except the RIAA wants them to be defendants instead of spectators.

    2. Re:Courts are Public by Mutio · · Score: 1

      Very true, due to some unfortunate events i had to go to court a while ago (Underage drinking, no big deal). It was an eye opening experience for me and i will now be much more careful when i drink.

    3. Re:Courts are Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, don't want them to lose faith in humanity that early.

    4. Re:Courts are Public by Neanderthal+Ninny · · Score: 1

      This stuff that these people have send is not really not meant to educate people about the court system but scare the kids about the "evils" the downloading music. I believe that downloading music illegally is a bad thing but using these tactics will backfire most of the time.
      Some people get an high for doing something illegal so showing it in comics doesn't stop these people, in fact, will encourage them to do more illegal activities since they will show other how "illegal" can they be.

    5. Re:Courts are Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Return of REEFER MADNESS!

    6. Re:Courts are Public by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I think that is their intent. Except the RIAA wants them to be defendants instead of spectators.

      I'd say they want them to be spectacles as well as defendants. This is all about publicity, when you get right down to it, and there's nothing like a public ass-whippin' to help keep the plebs in line. Granted, it works both ways: sometimes the RIAA is the one walking funny for a few days.

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    7. Re:Courts are Public by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Take the kids to a court if you want them educated about how courts work.

      As it was pointed out, several Judges support this scare campaign. Why? Because if kids are educated to believe that Judges can rightly enact these "gross exaggerations of the legal consequences of sharing music online (lose your scholarship to college, go to jail for two years, and more)." Then slowly, as more and more people believe that lie the more power the Judges will have and the lie will become the truth. Look at every other power grab in recent American politics, it starts with a gross overstatement of authority, follows with stalling if pressed with the real limits of authority, wait until a different issue gains the spot light, act on your overstated authority as "an already established power". I'm sure the RIAA has a few pet judges (even if many Judges are starting to come around to common sense) and I'm sure the RIAA would love to have the authority to imprison copyright infringers or at least make them lose their scholarships (that aught to teach these schools to stand up to the RIAA) But none of that can happen if children are well educated on the proper processes and limits of different government functionaries.

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    8. Re:Courts are Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Underage drinking, no big deal). It was an eye opening experience for me and i will now be much more careful when i drink.

      Sounds like you didn't learn your lesson. Despite your courtroom experience, you say it was "no big deal" and you are planning on re-offending. The only difference is you now hope to be sneakier when you re-offend so as not to get caught. I'm pretty sure the judge hoped you got more out of it than "if you're gonna break the law, son, be sneakier about it."

      Your next trip in front of the judge will be harsher.

    9. Re:Courts are Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Don't worry, the process for taking them to court is in the process of being automated by Verizon and I'm sure others. Basically it'll work like those speed cameras. You'll be mailed a 'citation' and presumably you'll just pay up without fighting it like most people do with traffic tickets.

    10. Re:Courts are Public by Ragzouken · · Score: 1

      Underage drinking really is no big deal.

    11. Re:Courts are Public by monxrtr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nobody downloads more music illegally than the representatives of the RIAA. It is your *right* to download anything and everything to check to see that none of your own copyrighted work is included in those files, exactly as the RIAA does (and fails to report it's illegal copying, along with a plethora of other RICO predicate violations). Nobody knows what the content of any file actually is before they download it.

      Nobody has ever been charged with any civil or criminal counts for any downloading of files; such charges would be laughed out of Court. The cartoon is pure propaganda lies, and if those pamphlets are passed out or "made available" in any Courtroom, those schools and Courts should be sued faster than you can recite the "10 Commandments".

      If I were a defense attorney, I would also be sure to remember every single one of those names listed on that pamphlet and have those Judges removed from any cases involving copyright infringement, have any verdicts or cases regarding copyright involving those Judges since publication of those pamphlets overturned, and letters published in the local papers of their Court Districts published outlining their conflict of interest to Justice. Also keep those names handy for an organized campaign against those Judges for any appointments to higher Federal Courts. Maybe also look into banning this organization for not presenting a legal disclaimer that such material does not constitute legal advice to revoke their nonprofit 501(c)(3) status. These people need to be taught that they are not messing with minority drug dealers, and that they will be held accountable to the strict letter of any and all Court procedure.

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    12. Re:Courts are Public by macdaddy · · Score: 1

      Lets be clear about this. RIAA doesn't want the students to be defendants. They want their parent's check book to be the defendant. Or the student's financial aide check to be the defendant. They don't give a shit about educating the kids. They only want the payout.

    13. Re:Courts are Public by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      The 21 drinking age didn't come into effect until the mid-70's in most places. The damn hippies (now judges) got "theirs" at Woodstock and changed the rules for everybody else. That's why there's a push in the university administrators to put the age back at 18 and expect voting adults to act like adults.

      I can't wait until we take driving away from everybody over 60!!! It's not a right, it's a privilege.

    14. Re:Courts are Public by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Underage drinking really is no big deal.

      I'm guessing you're young. Simply being young already means a person with poor judgement. Drinking makes it triply so.

    15. Re:Courts are Public by Rob+Kaper · · Score: 1

      Walking around drunk with poor judgement isn't inherently dangerous to others. Driving a car with poor judgement is and yet the US has no problem with underage driving (from a European perspective).

    16. Re:Courts are Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I was in college in the early 90s, I was pulled over by the police for not making a complete stop at a stop sign. The cop flashed a flashlight in my back seat, and found a single closed beer can, which had been accidentally dropped by one of my friends from earlier in the night. I was 20 years old. My friend, who I had already dropped off, was 21. I had not been drinking that evening, but because the beer can was in my car, I was sited with "minor in possession."

      In court, I plead guilty. A decent lawyer probably could have gotten around this case, but I didn't have the money for a lawyer at the time, so I plead guilty. (I wonder how common that is.) As part of my rehabilitation, I was sent to an underage drinking class. This was in spite of the fact that I had already turned 21 by the time I had my court date, so I could then legally drink.

      At the end of the rehabilitation class, the instructor asked if anyone would be drinking again. I was the only person in the class who raised my hand. After explaining that I was 21, the instructor just frowned, and adjourned the class.

    17. Re:Courts are Public by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      And of course, there are no violent drunks. And of course, the poor judgement of the drunkard couldn't possibly given them a feeling of over confidence which leads them to drive while under the influence. Oh no, drunkenness just isn't dangerous at all!

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    18. Re:Courts are Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the RIAA wants them to shit their pants and get their parents to pay them to make it go away.

      captcha: motivate

    19. Re:Courts are Public by Sally+Forth · · Score: 0

      Why are we assuming that drinking = drunk? I thought there was a guideline, like you have to drink a certain amount for it to really start affecting you.

    20. Re:Courts are Public by Rob+Kaper · · Score: 1

      Drinking per definition creates a state of being drunk. But there are many levels of drunkenness. from barely noticable all the way to the intensive care. And I know that most people know their limits.

      But in an argument I probably would have to concede that the risk of crossing reasonable boundaries is likely to be higher in the case of underage drinking. Even when most of my teenage friends do maintain at least some levels of responsibility.

    21. Re:Courts are Public by Sally+Forth · · Score: 0

      Ah see, from my point of view, I grew up with parents who would periodically split a single can of beer with dinner. As you might have guessed, a half a can of beer did not even register on the "barely noticeable" level of drunkenness. :)

      I also grew up in a household full of musicians, and we often had cellists and violinists and such from parts of Europe come to play classical music quartets late into the night. One of them, a woman from Norway, didn't understand the point of having an underage drinking law. Her parents had started giving her a small glass of beer with dinner when she was five years old.

      Needless to say, problem drinking was practically nonexistent among her peers.

    22. Re:Courts are Public by monxrtr · · Score: 1

      Strength And Honour.

      At My Signal. Unleash Hell.

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    23. Re:Courts are Public by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      And how does this not aply to legal adults?

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    24. Re:Courts are Public by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      Somewhat missing the point. The parent wrote "Walking around drunk with poor judgement isn't inherently dangerous to others." I was pointing out this isn't necessarily true.

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    25. Re:Courts are Public by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Oh... sorry. But that also is a valid point, I think.

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  3. File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can someone explain on that?

    Also how is it legal to use legal institutions to spread a fake message?

    And now we are on the topic this is not the definition of culture of fear?

    1. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by LoweD · · Score: 0

      File-sharing of copyrighted material is illegal b/c the distribution of said material is illegal no matter the means (unless the distribution falls under fair use). Spam violates no law; it's just annoying, like junk mail or telemarketing.

      While it may favor the RIAA, this message is by no means fake. They do not lie in the comic itself (except perhaps by omission).

      I don't think "culture of fear" has a definition. It's a phrase people throw around to communicate varying degrees of perceived tyranny. If you want to nitpick, fear of the law is a necessary part of any culture.

    2. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by snikeris · · Score: 0

      File-sharing isn't illegal. Stealing is.

    3. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      What legal institution?

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    4. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by Tuoqui · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No its copyright infringement that is 'illegal'. You cannot steal something that is given away for free (IE. I've heard this song a million times on the radio, its been used to pimp phones and cars and what have you). Any of these sources could be a legal avenue for recording but if you download from the internet suddenly you're the worst criminal scum in teh world and should be put in the electric chair atleast according to the RIAA.

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    5. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by jabithew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The question remains; is this appropriate for a non-profit organisation? I know the non-profits in the US can get away with bloody murder, more or less, but this is special-interest lobbying thinly disguised as 'education' and inaccuracies (rather than lies) render its educational value questionable.

      In the UK non-profits are much more closely watched if they apply for tax-exempt status. They can't act as a lobbyist for business or political interests. See the case of the Smith Institute, on paper an educational charity think tank, in reality an organ of the Labour party.

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    6. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i love your sig, and i agree with your message. where do i sign up for the newsletter and shirt?

    7. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by snikeris · · Score: 1

      You cannot steal something that is given away for free (IE. I've heard this song a million times on the radio, its been used to pimp phones and cars and what have you).

      Yes you can. If I give you a t-shirt for free, does that give you the right to steal it from anywhere you happen to find it?

    8. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Yes you can. If I give you a t-shirt for free, does that give you the right to steal it from anywhere you happen to find it?

      Bad Analogy but I'll bite. No in the physical world as we know it it does not.

      Now if you had a magical device (computer) that copied T-Shirts (music) for free and you give a T-Shirt (music) to me and to Bob. If my T-Shirt (music) gets ripped skydiving over Mount Everest (computer crashes) and landing in a tree and Bob who also has a magical device (computer) that copied T-Shirts (music) for free offers me a copy of his T-Shirt (music) and I accept am I really 'stealing'? Does it matter if me and Bob live next door or half a continent apart? (in the latter case assume that there is some way to instantly transfer the T-Shirt (music) to me like a teleportation service (internet)).

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    9. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      Because, as always, Washington values the flow of money to companies or themselves more than the 4th and 5th amendments that restrict their desire to lock someone up for any reason. The RIAA member companies are effectively acting as proxies for those who want to use intimidation and arbitrary law, because as long as they use their overbroad definition of infringement, they will continue to set precedent that can be used in criminal trials.

      Of course, the federal courts are catching on, and the wiser judges are standing up to the multibillion-dollar bully industry. The root cause of many of the abuses of citizens' rights is the ability for bullies and sociopaths to "get things done". As admirable as being punctual is, I think Americans have comparatively devalued those who take their time and try to get things done well, which is why there are people like Steve Jobs at top levels of the corporate world and many American governments.

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    10. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by snikeris · · Score: 1

      In this case, I'd say you aren't being immoral in accepting Bob's t-shirt, but you are still breaking the law. At least you legally obtained the music at some point; however, this does not grant you the right to illegally obtain it any time you want in the future.

      Of course, most people who are "stealing" music never owned a legal copy in the first place.

    11. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by LoweD · · Score: 1

      I do think it's inappropriate, but I also think eating with your mouth open is inappropriate. I'm not about to question somebody's right to make himself look foolish, though.

      As you realize, this is propaganda aimed at children. But nobody's forcing them to read it or take it to heart.

      Is the investigation into the Smith Institute ongoing? I'm afraid here in the US most of us have lost all ability to distinguish between "non-profit" and "lobbyist" ... except when it comes to litigation, I suppose.

    12. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      It is not immoral nor is it illegal. Unless owning the 'magical device' is illegal, owning the 'T-Shirt' is illegal. Technically the law as it applies to music and what not would allow you to make a back up copy in the event that you're original is destroyed. If someone had a copy of the CD then went and downloaded it because say your 2 year old nephew STEPPED ON IT AND BROKE IT... and downloaded it off the internet thats technically not a crime. Although if there was not a sufficient 'pirate scene' out there then people would not be able to as easily get copies in such an event.

      How can you say something is 'stolen' if it is given away for free? All you need to do is turn on the radio and they're live streaming the music over the PUBLIC AIRWAVES. They're our airwaves, we can do with them as we please, if that means recording them and putting them on the internet then so be it. It's a performance, the MAFIAA already got their pound of flesh from the radio station so nothing wrong, illegal or immoral there.

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    13. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by jabithew · · Score: 1

      The Smith Institute investigation is sort of ongoing and sort of not, in that they've already been told that they've acted inappropriately, but the ombudsman wants further information to see if there's still more inappropriate behaviour undiscovered.

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    14. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by snikeris · · Score: 1

      If someone had a copy of the CD then went and downloaded it because say your 2 year old nephew STEPPED ON IT AND BROKE IT... and downloaded it off the internet thats technically not a crime.

      Actually, it is.

    15. Re:File-sharing is illegal but SPAM is not. by Sally+Forth · · Score: 0

      Well, yes. If I have a t-shirt, whether I bought it or had it given to me, and it's in the laundromat, in my sister's bureau, hanging to dry on my friend's clothesline next to her swimming pool, etc. I can pick it up and take it away because it's still mine.

      In fact, if I spot my car keys on the ground in the parking lot, yes, it's my right to "steal" them back.

      I think your example is flawed.

  4. get em young by timmarhy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    well you have to give them points for effort. no one in their right mind that's an adult is believing their nonesense so the obvious step is to get to them before they have a chance to form thier own opinions.

    i always find targeting children such an insidious method of control, i shouldn't be suprised at this move really.

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    1. Re:get em young by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually it doesn't work on kids either. They sent some similar crap out to my oldest nephews school last year,and he handed me one to show me when I went to pick him up. When I asked him and his friends(most of which were females,I swear that boy's a magnet for them) thought about it they all said in unison "Greedy Pigs!". I just smiled,wiped a fake tear away,and said "What wonderfully smart little subversives you are! I'm so proud!".

      The simple fact is today's kids are not only smart,but cynical as hell. They also have iPods. When I went to pick up my nephew it was an equal mix of iPod,Creative,and Sandisk MP3 players,so rich and poor all had 'em. They see that to buy songs on iTunes it would cost 40K to fill it up so no wonder so many of them share files. And instead of trying to find ways to make it more affordable for kids,what does the RIAA do? One of their own with a straight face gets on the stand and says ripping your OWN CD isn't fair use. So it isn't like they have been sneaky with their greed. They see these companies making record profits,yet the price never seems to go down,why should they care if the greedy bastards get ripped off?

      I personally am quite happy the new generation is so cynical. They don't believe ANYTHING just because someone in authority says it is so. It is nice to see the newer generations seem to have a lot more wolves and a lot less sheep. Maybe their lack of gullibility will help turn it around when they get old enough to get their own power. But as always this is my 02c,YMMV

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    2. Re:get em young by qw0ntum · · Score: 1

      It's nice that the new generation doesn't easily bend to authority, but I think it's not acts of conscious questioning as just plain old indifference. My experience with people in my generation and in the socio-economic circles in which I associate is that we don't really care about all that much.

      At best, folks may think this draconian copyright stuff is stupid because RIAA and judges said something. Great. But, if EFF had sent out brochures talking about how important fair use rights are, I'm not sure how many people my age would care so much.

      Then again, maybe I'm just being cynical, countering what you said just because you said it. :)

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    3. Re:get em young by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      they will just go younger, MPAA already does it with walt disney caroons.

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    4. Re:get em young by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You seem to think that if someone makes more than a certain amount of money when they sell something that they don't deserve to receive any compensation as a result, even though you still use their product? I don't understand your rationalization (although I do see it all over the place).

      Teaching an entire generation that if someone charges more than you think is fair it is appropriate and even somehow noble to steal anything you want is profoundly disturbing. This isn't even remotely close to civil disobedience.

      I hate what the RIAA does, so I don't use their products. I like music, but I don't need it, and neither do you. Anything else is just a weak attempt at justification for getting something you want for free.

      There is a big difference between boycott and looting.

      And yes, the cartoon in TFA is really, really creepy.

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    5. Re:get em young by monxrtr · · Score: 1

      I think everyone is turning into a vulture looking for a lawsuit meal ticket. More and more millions of taxpayer dollars go toward paying for government wrongdoing. Absurd fines and incessant harassment is quickly erasing any indifference. Enforcement of all sorts of laws is quickly spiraling out of cost reach. These laws are double edged swords, and breeding contempt for law generally.

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    6. Re:get em young by ksd1337 · · Score: 1

      They may be resistant to propaganda like this, but many of them don't care about being active against the companies as long as they have their TV and MySpace to go on. Subverting authority is only one half of the battle. You have to be proactive as well.

    7. Re:get em young by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hate what the RIAA does, so I don't use their products. I like music, but I don't need it, and neither do you. Anything else is just a weak attempt at justification for getting something you want for free.

      Do you believe that turnabout is fair play? Sounds like you don't because regardless of if "someone makes more than a certain amount of money" (whatever the eff that means) copyright extensions are outright theft. When the the MAFIAA bribed congress to take from the public domain and give to the distribution cartels they stole from you, me and every resident of this country. The MAFIAA didn't need the extensions, it was just something they wanted for free.

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    8. Re:get em young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said sir. They absolutely do not need the music - they just want something for nothing. The rationalizations are hilarious sometimes though.

    9. Re:get em young by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

      What I believe is this:

      When you boycott a product, the manufacturer tries to figure out how to adapt so that the consumer starts to buy it again.

      When you steal a product, the manufacturer tries to figure out how to prosecute you.

      If their sales were down and no one was pirating their product, do you think changes would happen more quickly, or more slowly?

      It's ok to not be part of the solution. Just don't delude yourself into believing you are.

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    10. Re:get em young by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      If their sales were down and no one was pirating their product, do you think changes would happen more quickly, or more slowly?

      Far more slowly because they would not waste so much money to shoot themselves in the foot by trying to prosecute.
      Campaigns like this one are the perfect illustration: If they didn't believe anyone was pirating, then they would not have spent the money on this campaign (and thousands of similar actions) and they would not be alienating their very best customers. Instead they would be working on ways to bring people like "back into the fold."

      It's ok to not be part of the solution. Just don't delude yourself into believing you are.

      Piracy accelerates their death spiral. You may be part of the solution, but don't delude yourself into believing you are particularly effective.

      I answered your question directly, why didn't you answer mine?

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    11. Re:get em young by timmarhy · · Score: 1
      wrong.

      the problem is FAIR compensation. RIAA do not let the market decide as they are a cartel controlling the vast majority of music. they also activly lobby, and have been sucessful at, having copyright periods extended beyond any kind of reasonable time frame. 99 years?? give me a fucking break. they have violated the very reason copyright was estabilish - for the good of the public, to give creators a chance to make money on their creations before it passes into the public domain.

      RIAA don't start out with copyright - we the public, GIVE it to them. since they are subverting the process with a total disregard for the public i think it's not surpising the public is taking that gift away from them.

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    12. Re:get em young by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

      Do you believe that turnabout is fair play?

      That question, you mean? No, I don't. This philosophy only results in a sequence of escalations where ultimately everyone loses. Reprisals don't work.

      I think you misunderstood what I wrote. The RIAA/MPAA know people are pirating, so instead of looking internally to see what is wrong with them they only see what is wrong with the people who steal it. If it were a boycott instead of a looting, they'd be desperate to increase sales, not punish their would-be customers.

      I guess I'm really arguing for evolution instead of revolution. I don't think that when you burn everything down, something better always arises. I think fixing it is better than destroying it.

      But mostly I'm just irritated by the see-through rationalizations people use to steal without guilt. Just because they are wrong does not mean that you aren't wrong, too.

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    13. Re:get em young by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That question, you mean? No, I don't. This philosophy only results in a sequence of escalations where ultimately everyone loses. Reprisals don't work.

      No, turnabout does not mean reprisal. Turnabout means what's good for the goose is good for the gander. It means one person cuts the cake and the other person picks the piece. Turnabout is fair play is another way to say equality.

      I think you misunderstood what I wrote. The RIAA/MPAA know people are pirating, so instead of looking internally to see what is wrong with them they only see what is wrong with the people who steal it. If it were a boycott instead of a looting, they'd be desperate to increase sales, not punish their would-be customers.

      I understood you perfectly. I don't WANT them to increase sales. I believe copyright is fundamentally broken. No business model based on fee-for-distribution of things that have zero cost to distribute can be successful without severely compromising society at large.

      I don't think that when you burn everything down, something better always arises. I think fixing it is better than destroying it.

      I don't think ANYONE believes something better ALWAYS arises. But in THIS case, the industry has already burnt down, not by pirates, but by the internet. All that's left is just inertia.

      But mostly I'm just irritated by the see-through rationalizations people use to steal without guilt. Just because they are wrong does not mean that you aren't wrong, too.

      Yeah, it kind of does. If one party to a contract breaks a contract, then there is no moral or ethical requirement for the other party to continue to adhere to the contract.

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    14. Re:get em young by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      Artists don't profit from albums unless they sell a huge number (or are famous enough to negotiate a fair contract, or go independent label) Artists make albums and give all profits to the RIAA up to a certain point. Past that point, they get a few cents per sale. Concerts are where they rake it in. I believe in fair use, and in fair dealing. The RIAA is just sharecropping.

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    15. Re:get em young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe in Fair Play!

    16. Re:get em young by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      But as always this is my 02c,YMMV

      Maybe this would be the way for the RIAA to solve their piracy problem?

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    17. Re:get em young by Zwicky · · Score: 1

      I agree -- the kids near where I live are very cynical too and that's a good thing. I think they need to be these days.

      I tried to read that PDF but only got to page 6 because it contains a story with about as much imagination as the music the RIAA companies put out; it's like reading a really bad Jane Doe script.

      Now I don't expect they ever intended to produce Marvel material but those same cynical kids wouldn't get to the end of it either - not without real pirates in it - making it an exercise in futility. The old scaremongering-to-save-a-dying-business-model is all it is; the NCSC are merely shilling on behalf of the RIAA.

      "I'm downloading it right now. It hasn't even reached stores yet!"
      "You shouldn't be downloading pirated music files, Henry. It's a crime "

      Fittingly the caption in a subsequent frame was just what I thought on reading that wish-wash: "Oh, ick! ".

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    18. Re:get em young by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You seem to think that if someone makes more than a certain amount of money when they sell something that they don't deserve to receive any compensation as a result, even though you still use their product?

      I seem to think that the Constitution states that copyright must be done in a manner to promote the arts and if it does not do that, then copyrights are illegal and the material is in the public domain.

      This isn't even remotely close to civil disobedience.

      Protesting against violations of the Constitution by ignoring the illegal laws is exactly what civil disobedience is.

      I don't understand your rationalization (although I do see it all over the place).

      If you see something all over the place, yet are unable to understand it in the least, perhaps the problem is yours, and not everyone else on the planet.

    19. Re:get em young by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      They don't believe ANYTHING just because someone in authority says it is so.

      I wonder how many of them are religious?

      I'm glad they're cynical, though -- it (hopefully) makes them harder to take advantage of. Of course, there is a downside...

      It is nice to see the newer generations seem to have a lot more wolves and a lot less sheep. Maybe their lack of gullibility will help turn it around when they get old enough to get their own power.

      When they get old enough to get their own power, it's going to be interesting -- especially when so many of them grow up without a sense that piracy is wrong, only that it's (sometimes) dangerous.

      Before you reply, read my sig. I usually make the opposite argument...

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    20. Re:get em young by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      A possible hidden angle: it might not be for the kids, but for the parents, teachers, local politicians, and school administrators-- those who can use their power to stop kids. The sad thing is, many of the poorly-informed and/or outright bought members of this group will simply take the judges' association at their word. Heck, a good number of the well-informed and honest will have doubts when they read this crap, and will steer the kids away "just in case".

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  5. Bizarre by russotto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The message I get from the comic is "Get caught pirating, save someone's home". Also that copyright violations are handled as criminal complaints in city courts (???!!!)

  6. The beginning of the pamphlet .... by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    talks about the separation of the three branches of Government and about what our Founding Fathers wanted for this country.

    Would anyone by any chance have a script that will email this to every single Congressman and everyone in the Whitehouse. It's a cartoon so Bush will understand it too.

    Before modding me Flamebait, Troll, or -1 whatever please read this thread and article. Then mod away.

    1. Re:The beginning of the pamphlet .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a cartoon so Bush will understand it too.

      It's a cartoon so Bush would be willing to read it. Whether or not he'd understand it is anyone's guess.

    2. Re:The beginning of the pamphlet .... by courtarro · · Score: 1

      It's a cartoon so Bush would be willing to look at it. Whether or not he'd understand it is anyone's guess.

      Fixed that for ya.

    3. Re:The beginning of the pamphlet .... by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Dont do it! At least not to the president. He's likely to take it as advice for how to deal with people the RIAA dont like (you know big media is a big contributor to his last 2 elections!)

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  7. Musicians? They aren't real musicians! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is it with musicians and bread lines? It's not like they don't have a real job... /musician, replies, kick out of

  8. Puts me in mind of something by ThanatosMinor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is anyone else reminded of Chick tracts? Share files and you go to hell...

    1. Re:Puts me in mind of something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first thought too.

    2. Re:Puts me in mind of something by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1, Funny

      You may not have noticed, but this comic was actually published by Jack Chick. You see, back in the 13th century, a secret society was started by the Vatican, which had the goal of weakening any sort of copyright law. Jack Chick learned about this in a well known conspiracy theory textbook which was published by someone with a degree from a diploma mill, and has decided to share the message with all the world. But there is hope! Accept Jesus as your personal savior, and copyright infringement will end!

      OK, maybe I am too familiar with Chick tracts...

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    3. Re:Puts me in mind of something by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

      I was less than a page into it before that analogy came to mind. The "good little girl" being raised by grandma who falls into a "bad crowd"...

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    4. Re:Puts me in mind of something by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      This has much higher quality artwork than Jack Chick tracts.

    5. Re:Puts me in mind of something by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      At least two other people thought the same thing. My first reaction was that both the artwork and the tone reminded me very much of a Chick Tract, and someone in the comments on the web site said the same thing.

    6. Re:Puts me in mind of something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep

  9. TV Courts are Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Take the kids to a court if you want them educated about how courts work."

    Judge Judy taught me everything I needed to know.

    1. Re:TV Courts are Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Take the kids to a court if you want them educated about how courts work."

      Judge Judy taught me everything I needed to know.

      Even better, she's available via BitTorrent!

      Oh, wait...

  10. Its what they wish it was... by JazzyMusicMan · · Score: 1
    Maybe this is less about propaganda and more about spread their giant wet dream...

    They dream about:

    ...kids losing their scholarship,
    ...spending years in jail,
    ...giving up their first born son.

    I think their biggest wet dream to date is pretending that people will continue to pay obscene prices for music.

  11. Boston Strangler by Nymz · · Score: 4, Insightful
    After reading the comic excerpts, I couldn't help but think the exaggeration sounded familiar.

    "I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone." - Jack Valenti

    1. Re:Boston Strangler by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Yeah, really. Then again, Jack Valenti was the biggest sociopath of them all, so I wasn't exactly surprised at his words.

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    2. Re:Boston Strangler by dangitman · · Score: 1

      "I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone."

      An object of completely irrational fear? Yeah, that sounds about right.

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  12. I'm all for it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod me double plus good!

  13. Cruel Mantra? by ProlificLurker · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's my favorite band too!

  14. Strange but serious question... by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Isn't intentional misrepresentation of the law an actionable offense (perhaps in some states, but not others)?

    /P

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    1. Re:Strange but serious question... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2

      Isn't intentional misrepresentation of the law an actionable offense (perhaps in some states, but not others)?

      Only when you and me do it. When big corporate types do it, it's okay.

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    2. Re:Strange but serious question... by Matti-han · · Score: 1

      Going by this I suppose you could theoretically charge them with fraud if you could successfully argue that intentional misrepresentation of the law is a 'matter of some importance or significance rather than a minor or trivial detail'

      Though honestly, thinking that people would consider it a trivial detail somewhat frightens me.

      Perhaps you could make the case that this would convince a young person or his family to avoid a fictional criminal prosecution by not fighting a civil action made against them on the basis of copyright; whereupon you point out that the distributor of the publication has the official sounding name of "The National Center for State Courts" and was supposedly reviewed by legal experts.

      Of course, on the other hand, the NCSC is a non-profit organization, and if they did take money or favors from the RIAA and used their non-profit status for personal gain... perhaps someone who is a lawyer can tell us what the legal ramifications of that would be.

    3. Re:Strange but serious question... by ksd1337 · · Score: 1

      Laws don't apply anymore when there's moeny to be made (by both the law and the corporation.)

    4. Re:Strange but serious question... by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      IANAL but I seriously doubt you could get someone charged for fraud for this. In order for it to be fraud you need resulting injury or damage. That's a serious burden. Not downloading music isn't going to cut it as injury or damage. Moreover, this is a good thing. There is a lot of legitimate disagreement about what the law is for many issues. The last thing we want is people to be able to charge opponents with fraud in such disagreements.

    5. Re:Strange but serious question... by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      I don't know about fraud, but if I remember rightly, there was this case where Texas had descriptions provided in a high school textbook of what the laws in that state said regarding obscenity or sodomy or something like that, and the board that approves textbooks there asked to have the passages relating to Texas's own laws removed. There was some sort of legal challenge, because if a government body takes steps to keep people ignorant of what the law says, then ignorance of the law in theory becomes the legitimate excuse that it isn't ordinarily. I'm wondering if something like that applies here. What happens in law if you are ignorant of a law, not because you didn't bother to find out what the law was, but because you tried, but the same government that enforces that law has lied or hidden the facts?

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    6. Re:Strange but serious question... by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      IANAL but some fraud case seems like a good start. They are intentionally misrepresenting the legal system and its workings. After all the Copyright Infringement case would fall under CIVIL COURT and we all know how good public defenders are (Hey Plead Guilty already! I got you a good deal you're only going to federal pound me in the ass jail for 3 months instead of 3 years!).

      Cases that goto trial arent profitable for Public Defenders to take on. Hence the prevalence of plea bargains in the system. Regardless dont ever talk to the police. I'm sure you've seen the video. Just like vampires dont invite police into your home. No searches should be granted without a warrant. This will give you time to run a magnet over your computer hard drive and/or encrypt it so theres no evidence. Remember there are a few rulings that indicate that you cannot be compelled to give a password or crypto key as 5th amendment rights.

      Also IP addresses have not been proven conclusive to identities. How do they know the girl did it? Unfortunately in a civil case they only have to have more than 50% doubt that they're guilty. How do they know the grandmother didnt do it? Or her friends who were visiting... That one kid was getting his songs on his laptop at her house after all.

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  15. this is the reefer madness of filesharing by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this propaganda is wonderful!

    please, please, anyone who supports filesharing rights, do not stop the spread of this propaganda, it is guaranteed to backfire

    your average college student can spot a bully and a bully's rationale. if this is their argument: do what we want or we'll hurt you, your average college kid can see the obvious moral bankruptcy in that, they will see right through this, and even better than that, if this is the best argument the RIAA's puppet organization can make, everyone can see the RIAA has no more argument at all

    please folks, let them proclaim the hollowness and pointlessness of their dead end effort with this propaganda. college kids are receptive, they are listening, and they can smell bullshit. so this propaganda is GOOD for filesharing rights as it is a guaranteed backfire

    i swear, it's reefer madness for file sharing

    Reefer Madness (aka Tell Your Children) is a 1936 exploitation film revolving around the tragic events that ensue when high school students are lured by pushers to try "marihuana": a hit and run accident, manslaughter, suicide, rape, and descent into madness all ensue. The film was directed by Louis Gasnier and starred a cast composed of mostly unknown bit actors. It was originally financed by a church group and made under the title Tell Your Children.[1][2]

    The film was intended to be shown to parents as a morality tale attempting to teach them about the dangers of cannabis use.[1] However, soon after the film was shot, it was purchased by producer Dwain Esper, who re-cut the film for distribution on the exploitation film circuit.[1] The film never gained an audience until it was rediscovered in the 1970s and gained new life as a piece of unintentional comedy among cannabis smokers.[1][3] Today, it is in the public domain in the United States and is considered a cult film.[3] It inspired a musical satire, which premiered off-Broadway in 2001, and a Showtime film, Reefer Madness, based on the musical.

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    1. Re:this is the reefer madness of filesharing by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      You know, I didn't think of that at first, but you are right! This reeks of reefer madness...so to speak.

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    2. Re:this is the reefer madness of filesharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is possibly the most apt comparison I've seen, EVER.

      This is EXACTLY the same sort of thing Reefer Madness was, and it will have the EXACT same effect.

      (IE: an entire generation will laugh, and return to hitting the bong/torrents)

    3. Re:this is the reefer madness of filesharing by rastoboy29 · · Score: 1

      Except they're giving this to middle schoolers.

      Fortunatley, it's ungodly boring.

    4. Re:this is the reefer madness of filesharing by MacDork · · Score: 1

      please, please, anyone who supports filesharing rights, do not stop the spread of this propaganda, it is guaranteed to backfire

      ...

      i swear, it's reefer madness for file sharing

      And refer is illegal... I'd rather see someone recaption it into something hilarious with the opposite message before spreading it further.

    5. Re:this is the reefer madness of filesharing by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      it is a guaranteed backfire

      i swear, it's reefer madness for file sharing

      Reefer was made illegal with these lies and is still illegal over 70 years later.

      Backfire? What backfire? It accomplished its objectives and was replaced by a series of new bullshit as time went on (if you smoke a joint, you will SHOOT YOUR FRIEND IN THE FACE WITH A GUN!!!, etc).

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    6. Re:this is the reefer madness of filesharing by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      College kids have been smelling the bullshit since long before Kent State. What do we get? Another "Vietnam". And "reefer madness" is still a raging success with a thriving law enforcement and prison industry to show for it. Ever do time for cultivation? Well, lucky you if you haven't. Lucky me too. They let me plea it down. Yeah, I feel real lucky. Wanna tell me how much progress has been made since then? Over the last forty five years we have been regressing, not progressing.

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  16. I'll rebel by areusche · · Score: 1

    I'll fight this by downloading more movies, music, and software over the internet. Heck I would even download a car or a clothes illegally off of the internet if i could ;-)

    1. Re:I'll rebel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me, too.

      Every single time I see lies and overrreaching crap like this, it just makes me want to "pirate" stuff all the more.

  17. comics by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    Isn't this like that D&D comic where the girl hangs herself ?

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    1. Re:comics by Uther_Dark · · Score: 1

      Isn't this like that D&D comic where the girl hangs herself ?

      Jesus...I thought I was the only person that remembered that!!!, actually have the comic around here somewhere....

    2. Re:comics by SCPRedMage · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:comics by felonius+maximus · · Score: 1

      Man that is fucking wack, but kinda funny too. I'm a little scared by the thought that there's people out there who believe such nonsense.

    4. Re:comics by Uther_Dark · · Score: 1

      Very nice...

  18. That outfit is composed of judges by pem · · Score: 5, Interesting
    For example, the head of it is the "Chief Justice, Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts."

    Most state bars have requirements related to acting ethically. I wonder if those responsible for this pack of lies could be handled with a bar complaint?

    It might not have a direct effect, but who knows?

  19. riaafer madness by u4ya · · Score: 1

    this strip looks reminiscent of 'reefer madness', the propaganda film from 1936 that contributed to making marijuana illegal.

  20. Shades of "Reefer Madness" by RiffRafff · · Score: 1

    And remember kids, marijuana grows breasts on men! It's true! I saw it in a movie in the sixties!

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    1. Re:Shades of "Reefer Madness" by roc97007 · · Score: 2, Funny

      If I had breasts, I'd never have to leave the house.

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    2. Re:Shades of "Reefer Madness" by ksd1337 · · Score: 1

      If you had breasts, most likely no one would want you to leave the house. Or your bedroom, for that matter.

    3. Re:Shades of "Reefer Madness" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And remember kids, marijuana grows breasts on men! It's true! I saw it in a movie in the sixties!

      I wish, you have any idea how much the pills that actually do that cost?

  21. Don't-Don't-Don't Copy That Floppy! by Perseid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really. When you have to resort to outright lies to protect your business model, doesn't that tell you something about said business model?

    1. Re:Don't-Don't-Don't Copy That Floppy! by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Really. When you have to resort to outright lies to protect your business model, doesn't that tell you something about said business model?

      Yes. It tells you that said business model is highly profitable.

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    2. Re:Don't-Don't-Don't Copy That Floppy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. It means you are a Chinese Olympic Gymnast.

      (Too soon?)

    3. Re:Don't-Don't-Don't Copy That Floppy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      doesn't that tell you something about said business model?

      Such as, that you have a marketing department?

    4. Re:Don't-Don't-Don't Copy That Floppy! by fredma123 · · Score: 1

      It's not like I would buy the music if I couldn't download it. I don't want to spend $15/cd at amazon.com. That's not cheap. Money doesn't grow on trees. I work hard programming for my money as an entering freshman this fall. Plus, I tend to listen to Japanese music now.

    5. Re:Don't-Don't-Don't Copy That Floppy! by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      Sure is, but it also tells me that they aren't able to adapt to competitors. You know, IBM had a highly profitable business model - mainframes - so where is this business model now? They basically did whatever it took to keep out the new breed, they lost, they nearly died and they were forced to adapt.

      But hey, I'm an optimist. One can only hope this will happen to the fat, bloated and threatening music industry.

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  22. Oh dear! by Maelwryth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All I can think of is how relieved the grandmother was when she found out Megan wasn't pregnant!

    That being said, legal action against you isn't a laughing matter when you are young. You don't have the money, you don't know what you are doing, and you don't know where to get help.

    A parady on this would be nice. Something along the lines of,"File-sharing is not a victim-less crime..... Look at Megan."

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    1. Re:Oh dear! by russotto · · Score: 1

      A parady on this would be nice. Something along the lines of,"File-sharing is not a victim-less crime..... Look at Megan."

      I was thinking about something more along the lines of "So You've Decided To Steal Cable", only for file-sharing.

    2. Re:Oh dear! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen some wonderful annotated Chick tracts, I'm sure someone will rise to the challenge here as well. (And receive C&D notices for their troubles, no doubt.)

    3. Re:Oh dear! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      parady, n. Parody acted out on a parade.

  23. Time we hit Hollywood with a Digital Tea Party by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here we see Hollywood studios regularly rob, cheat and steal from the people that work for them:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2001/aug/31/artsfeatures

    Here companies like News Limited trick the public into surrendering their copyright, giving them massive royalty-free photo libraries, all for the "chance of winning an iPod".
    http://blogs.smh.com.au/photographers/archives/2008/07/read_the_fine_print.html

    Orson Scott Card wrote this good piece on the hipocracy of the RIAA:
    http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2003-09-07-1.html
    http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2003-09-14-1.html

    And for years, we the public have had our rights progressively eroded. Well-monied rights holders throw money at congress who turn around and keep extending their copyright. This reached an artform in the "Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act", otherwise known as the "Mickey Mouse Copyright Act". Yet Disney has quite happily argued against this when it suits them.
    http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,17327,00.html

    Well, eat this Disney: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-mickey22-2008aug22,0,3228580,full.story

    And then there was that DRM debacle... What's worst is countries like Australia spinelessly accepted the DRM laws as their own (and US patents being enforcable in Australia) all for a political photo opportunity with George W. Bush. In this way, these execessive new laws are spreading all over the world. And here we have Universities teaching one side of the Great Copyright Rights Grab. Why aren't they educating their students about both sides, instead of brainfeeding them RIAA propaganda?

    Bottom line is: Congress doesn't work for you. It works for these guys. I don't see Congress ever saying no to MPAA slush funds, and treating IP the way the Constitution intended it too. So to hell with Congress and the MPAAFIA: Stupid Laws are made to be broken. I say torrent freely and torrent often. It's our very own digital tea party.

    1. Re:Time we hit Hollywood with a Digital Tea Party by Uther_Dark · · Score: 2, Informative

      Amen to that, I'm going to start by violating any copyright you have on your post, making it a text file and spreading it across the internet. Your message will be heard. :D Toss that tea...

  24. I'm waiting for the counter punch.... hurry up by w0mprat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm waiting for webcomic artists to pen a rebuttal strip to this drivel. Something deliciously satirical and damning.

    *searches again* Come on, there must be someone out there going to do a mocking comic of this. Perhaps in the second frame Richard Stallman could appear out of a cloud of 1s and 0s with a tight organic hemp superhero suit and give the girl a pep talk about her freedom in the digital world while smashing her iMac into bits and wiping the hard drive platters with ionizing radiation from his nostrils... ... ?

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    1. Re:I'm waiting for the counter punch.... hurry up by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this was just made for Everybody Loves Eric Raymond... which of course means the site will never be updated ever again... or did my saying that just cause the site to be updated? I better go check, just to be sure.

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  25. For one thing the IP of 25.369.46.251 can not even by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 3, Informative

    For one thing the IP of 25.369.46.251 can not even be a working one as they max out at 255.

  26. Craziness. they win with eminent domain? by k1e0x · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But loose with the RIAA?

    Even the way they phrase the eminent domain case. "The City is trying to buy our house." lol .. no they are not buying it, they are taking it at their price and if you refuse they are just going to take it and put you in jail.

    What garbage, I hope kids are smarter than that. Unfortunately I have not a lot of faith.

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    1. Re:Craziness. they win with eminent domain? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Actually, in an eminent domain case, while you generally cannot prevent the state from taking the property in question, you can dispute the amount. If the two sides cannot come to an agreement, it goes to court, where each side presents evidence as to the value of the property in question and what the effect of the new use for the land is (e.g. less parking, drainage issues, increased traffic), and a jury (or at worst, a judge) decides how much to award. Eminent domain suits are a routine matter, usually occurring whenever a road is widened.

      Also, who says that the state is trying to 'buy' the property? Usually the words are 'take' or 'condemn.'

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  27. not suggesting people break the law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not encouraging anyone to break any laws, but this is ridiculous.

    "Anyone in a free society where the laws are unjust has an obligation to break the law. "
    -Henry David Thoreau

    Personally I consider breaking unjust laws like this a civil duty, and I feel you should take your civil duty seriously.

  28. This comic is makes me sleep from page 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They certainly know nothing about making an entertaining comic book.

    They failed to keep me engaged.

    I won't be waiting for a sequel, that's for sure.

  29. Knock Off Nigel by Ragzouken · · Score: 1

    The hilarity of how out of touch this is is on par with the Knock-Off-Nigel adverts.

  30. The purpose is basically to educate kids by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My ass it is. Its to brainwash them so that the next generation will obey the orders of the media corporations of the world, and adjust the future laws.

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  31. It's time to stop by vic-traill · · Score: 2, Insightful
    [rant]

    I know it sounds like high moral ground apple pie crap, but at this point it is true: it's time to stop giving money to companies that treat their customers and the public so shabbily. Fuck Sony. Fuck Universal. Fuck Warner Bros. Especially, Fuck Sony - they do at least double duty.

    Find local theatre groups - go see live actors. Check out local bands - go see live music. Video games - well, I don't know what to there, but someone will have a suggestion.

    I'm not interested in buying their crap, taking their crap, listening to their crap, pirating their crap, or watching their crap.

    They're behind the people who sue. They're directly responsible for rootkit installations to support their DRM. They're behind the distribution of lies such as this material in TFA. Okay, well, we don't know the last part, but I'm guessing.

    No Más. Let's spend our money buying entertainment from people who give a shit.

    [/rant]

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    1. Re:It's time to stop by ricegf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, it needn't be a crusade. The first movie I bought that wouldn't play on my computer because of DRM (and couldn't be returned because it was opened) pretty much cured me of buying movies - they intentionally designed them not to work. The first threatening letter I got from the BSA cured me of buying their proprietary software - they'll threaten me if I do. The first song I bought from iTunes, and then couldn't play on my PDA because of the DRM, cured me of buying from iTunes - their music is fragile.

      It's not a crusade - their products work poorly and they treat their customers like trash. No sale. I want products that work.

  32. Letter writing campaign by pem · · Score: 5, Interesting
    And these are judges -- so make it a REAL letter, with a stamp and everything. See if you can find one locally who knows you are a voter. Remember that, just like a big company, these people are nominally in charge, but may clueless about some of the things the organization is doing, so try to politely remind them of their obligations to the public.

    I live in Texas, so here's mine:

    Hon. Wallace B. Jefferson

    Chief Justice

    Supreme Court of Texas

    P.O. Box 12248, Capitol Station

    Austin, TX 78711

    Dear Judge Jefferson:

    Today it came to my attention that a group called the "National Center for State Courts", of which you are apparently a board member, has released a new comic book called the "Justice Case Files."

    This book is full of legal inaccuracies and misrepresentation, claiming that internet file downloading is a state crime, punishable by years in prison, when in fact, this sort of copyright infringement is a federal civil matter.

    I do not engage in copyright infringement; however, I am incensed at the malicious PR campaign undertaken by the RIAA and the MPAA, which apparently has co-opted this organization of which you are a board member. It makes the National Center for State Courts, and those associated with it, look foolish at best, mendacious at worst.

    As I'm sure you are aware, rule 8.04(a)(3) of the Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct requires that "a lawyer shall not ... engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation," and comment 7 on this section additionally clarifies that "Lawyers holding public office assume legal responsibilities going beyond those of other citizens. A lawyer's abuse of public office can suggest an inability to fulfill the professional role of attorney. The same is true of abuse of positions of private trust. See Rules 8.04(a)(2), 8.04(a)(3), 8.04(b)."

    Please take a look at this comic. If you find it as laughably erroneous as I think you will, please do the right thing and publicly disavow its publication and use your position on the board to try to stop it. Believe it or not, several hundred thousand influential internet users are watching this issue very closely.

    Thank you for your time and attention to this matter.

    Best regards,

  33. Can I ... by PPH · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... share this with a few friends of mine?

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  34. Re:For one thing the IP of 25.369.46.251 can not e by Skuldo · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is probably intentional, they do this whenever an IP address is mentioned in a film or TV show.

  35. Re:For one thing the IP of 25.369.46.251 can not e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously you haven't seen The Net with Sandra Sandra Bullock.

  36. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe the creators of NBC's hits, Law & Order and Night Court should sue them for copyright violations... Honorable Judge Stone? Sheesh... They'd claim fair use I'm sure.

  37. How about making our own comics? by Doug52392 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why not make comics that represent the sad, pathetic truth of the fucked up legal system and unconstitutionality by the RIAA and MPAA? Hell, just edit this one and add the truth to it, like change the police officer giving here the trial notice to a money-hungry lawyer in a suit and tie, with $ signs for eyes. And add in some details in the end, so it says "I say it's good I got caught because some people don't get caught, which means they are hurting the (take out music industry) the artists that make music, because now they won't be able to afford their 10th Lear jet or 4th luxury sports car or huge mansion because people are waking up and realizing that this is BS."

    Oh, and add some stuff about how the RIAA are demanding 9,250 times the "damages" the poor girl caused, and have the RIAA lawyers say "We don't give a fuck it's unconstitutional or not. This is America god damn it, and in America, we have a truly fucked up legal system where we, the legal representatives to the few conglomerates that control the entire media in the United States like Commies, can sue innocent people for not doing exactly what a certain industry wants us to do!

    This bitch should have realized that we make you PAY so much money for music for a reason, because we WANT $$$$$$$. And yet she chose to get in the way of our capitalist dream, so she must burn in Hell!!! (but since we can't go that far, let's just sue her for 9,250-20,000 times the value of the music she downloaded). I mean seriously, if the government didn't have a problem with us harassing Sweden to shut down ONE WEBSITE FOR A FEW DAYS just for hosting LINKS to copyrighted materials (The Pirate Bay), what makes you think they'll have a problem with this? "

    And, with the eminent domain BS (isn't that a thing Republicans love to do), edit the section and have the mayor come down to the house, with police officers armed with AK-47s saying "Get the fuck out of this house, it's the city's now biach! We take this house under Eminent Domain, SO GET THE FUCK OUT"

    So once we make these comics, distribute them to all the collage students that received the lying propaganda!

    1. Re:How about making our own comics? by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      ... because now they won't be able to afford their 10th Lear jet or 4th luxury sports car or huge mansion because people are waking up and realizing that this is BS.

      The artists that did this early in their careers are either selling those things, or are so indebted financially to their labels that they will retire in utter poverty. Do you honestly think that the majority (let alone all) of the artists in the major labels keep enough revenue to support such lifestyles?

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    2. Re:How about making our own comics? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      I dont know how eminem is positioned in all this, but i start to think that a song from him on the subject would be convinient.

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  38. Reefer Madness by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe I'm showing my age (no, I didn't see it when it was first shown), but this actually reminded me of Reefer Madness .

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    1. Re:Reefer Madness by toriver · · Score: 1

      Is it a sign of cultural change that people think of Jack Chick's twisted protestantism before Reefer Madness, or just that the internet makes the former more accessible?

      Someone needs to get Reefer Madness on torrent.

    2. Re:Reefer Madness by maj1k · · Score: 1

      first torrent search i did returned 7 different copies of reefer madness. maybe you should just try looking?

  39. Re:For one thing the IP of 25.369.46.251 can not e by Dan541 · · Score: 1

    Correct,
    They do the same in America with the 555 phone area code, it's so they don't list an actual number that belongs to someone.

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  40. Honeypot by Sooner+Boomer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Has anyone thought of creating a honeypot full of songs THEY, and not the RIAA or their ilk own the copyright to, then busting Media Sentry when they download the songs/torrents? Seems like turnabout is fair play

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    1. Re:Honeypot by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 1

      I made this, and it's public domain. Use as you will.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNXg-02aA_w

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  41. Re:For one thing the IP of 25.369.46.251 can not e by dangitman · · Score: 1

    My IP address goes to 11.

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  42. Not worried by lessthanpi · · Score: 1

    Dear God, that means it'll have the same preventative powers on those children as the anti-drug-sex-alcohol-tobacco propaganda!!

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  43. DARE by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For some reason, this reminds me of the DARE education I received in jr/sr high school. At the time, I didn't do drugs (nor did any of my friends . . . we were all nerds). But I had this overwhelming feeling that what they were telling me was bullshit (at least parts of it).

    "Marijuana is a gateway drug. If you smoke pot you'll be using heroin within a few weeks" Really? Those stoners who got high before school don't do heroin, and actually manage better grades than we do.

    "If you share files you'll go to jail and your life will be ruined." Really? 2/3rds of my high school class illegally download music, and yet they haven't been harassed by the cops.

    All stuff like this does is make kids mistrust authority. If they were honest--"Pot is okay in moderation, but heroin is really, really bad", or "having a few mp3s on your computer is not a big deal, but selling bootleg DVDs on the street corner is bad"--they'd probably be a little more effective.

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    1. Re:DARE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A couple of my house mates were shooting up speedballs (heroine & cocaine) back when I was in school. It really is a gateway drug.

      Once you start buying by the bale, they let you have the good stuff. Of course this was not after a few weeks but five or six years.

      The reason it is a gateway drug? We were forced to break the law to get the mary jane. Once you walked through that door, you were exposed to all kinds of stuff.

      We did a lot of experimenting with a variety of products.

      One day one of my buds gives me a ride back from class and he shared some Hawaiian. Good, clean, wow! He drops me off and the landlord is mowing the grass. He comes up and says "I seen what you guys flushed down the toilet" I figured some chick flushed something she shouldn't have during happy hour. So I said "Just tell us how much you need for your trouble, and we'll be good for it." Stuff was always getting trashed during happy hour, and we would replace whatever got trashed.

      when I went in the boys were sitting around shooting this stuff up, one of them was like "hey, you don't want to do this!"

      Me: "No shit!"

      Turns out the fuckers heard a siren and flushed a bunch of syringes down the toilet.(A few days earlier).

      Crack is something that was really after my time. we called it Poor mans freebase. Glad I never tried any of that stuff.

      Someone gave me some coke before a test and I walked out of there thinking I aced it. I failed it. Coke lies to you. Tells you your cool, and smart, and on top of things, when you are not. I heard a member of the Grateful Dead claim that it wasn't the (government) LSD that caused the band trouble but the (government) cocaine.

      We used to use "crystal meth" or "crank" to study with. That's why we got good grades. You could get so much done with this shit, you knew it had to be killing you. If you used it for more than two days, your hair would start falling out.

      So when you young whippersnappers see us 40/50 year olds with the receding hairlines and the baldspots, you'll know why.

      Moral: Legalize, offer counseling to users.

      POP Psychology: Point of Purchase Counseling!

      One last note: the Grateful Dead never cared if you bootlegged their music.

    2. Re:DARE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      D.A.R.E. wastes money and is ineffective. If history repeates, this comic campaign and those like it, will waste money and increase so-called "piracy". Bring it on.

    3. Re:DARE by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      "Pot is okay in moderation, but heroin is really, really bad"

      Do you know why they never said this? Because the local PTA, every parent's group in the country, the DEA, and the FBI would've been all over them. Any national campaign will be forced to lie at some point or another, because they would otherwise be shut down by political, legal, or financial pressure.

      Now mp3s actually have a good chance of surviving the parents' wrath-- just equate it to the cassette tape "rips" that your parents doubtless made of radio and LPs, and even CDs (in their infancy). The recording industry put up a token fight about it initially, but it's a recognized example of the fair use concept. The only thing that can't be compared to cassettes is the ease of transmission to unknown third parties; perhaps file sharers should focus first on building a community for swapping favorite music, so the emphasis is "Hey, listen to this, friend!" rather than "Free music for download!" Both expand the artists' audience, but the latter gets the stiffs in the labels all worked up even more.

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      "We are Microsoft. You shall be assimilated. Competition is futile."
  44. lose your [$a] and got to jail.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read that part and wondered - where have I heard that before. Within mere picoseconds I had it - Army Recruiters! So now the secret is out as to where they go careerwise when the game's up and they get caught out intimidating young folks into signing up to get shot/blow up. Non-profit, hmm...??? I can smell the RIAA snake close by, wallet wide open.

    1. Re:lose your [$a] and got to jail.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where were you, under his desk?

  45. The Jews did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Jews controlled most RIAA/MPAA member companies. To hell with it.

  46. Re:For one thing the IP of 25.369.46.251 can not e by Skapare · · Score: 1

    They can use my IP address, then. I'll let them. It's 169.254.200.3.

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  47. Guess what? Area code 555 doesn't exist either... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    But you see it all the time in movies!

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  48. Re:For one thing the IP of 25.369.46.251 can not e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For one thing the IP of 25.369.46.251 can not even be a working one as they max out at 255.

    Maybe that's the "555" of IP addresses.

  49. Of course they lie by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They do not lie in the comic itself

    In the comic, Megan, merely an end user, is being prosecuted for theft in criminal court. Has that ever happened in real life?

    The comic definitely tries to convey to the reader that unlawful downloading can get you prosecuted for theft. That is a lie. They also are exceedingly misleading about who they are. While maybe that isn't fully a lie, they are certainly far from honest

    PS: for the record, I do oppose the copyright violations of these kinds of "sharing".

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    1. Re:Of course they lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also says that "file sharing" and "downloading music" are illegal.

      Since when? For example, what if the music is released under a license which encourages downloading and sharing? What about fair use? What about ancient music in the public domain?

      No, the cartoon casts ALL sharing and ALL downloading as illegal.

      It's those kinds of overbroad statements that are the worst lies in a publication like this, and prove it to be propaganda.

    2. Re:Of course they lie by LoweD · · Score: 1

      In the comic, Megan, merely an end user, is being prosecuted for theft in criminal court.

      Megan is not an end-user. She is brought to court for illegally downloading and sharing, i.e. distribution.

      The comic definitely tries to convey to the reader that unlawful downloading can get you prosecuted for theft. That is a lie.

      The character Megan receives a summons which indicates she has been charged w/ "copyright and distribution violations." One would think this indicates infringement.

      In his statement the prosecutor says "she has been charged with theft," but such a statement is given to interpretation (Correct me if I'm wrong.). The actual charge(s) would have been read by the judge.

      This is misleading, but I do not think it is a lie. In any case, copyright infringement is a serious crime, and it can carry a serious sentence (e.g. "up to 2 years in jail").

    3. Re:Of course they lie by LoweD · · Score: 1

      It also says that "file sharing" and "downloading music" are illegal.

      No, it doesn't.

  50. It's not "file sharing" by DesScorp · · Score: 0, Troll

    I don't care what you think of copyright laws (and this includes the guy who posted the story and used the term)... it's not file "sharing". Sharing implies the consent of the copyright holder. I'm pretty sure the copyright holder didn't authorize you to distribute the work to 10,000 of your closest friends on Limewire. Calling it "sharing" is weasel words, and worse, it's hypocritical. If we find out a company using GNU software is violating the GPL (which is, face it, copyright), we lose our damn minds here. But when we say "file sharing" when talking about copyright piracy, it's somehow different. What would you say if Linksys used GPL software, violated the license, and then declared it "fair use"? I mean, who could argue against the words "fair use"? Fair use sounds as friendly as... file sharing.

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    1. Re:It's not "file sharing" by lilomar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, 'sharing' implies two or more people, both using a resource, which is exactly what 'file sharing' is.

      In no way does the word imply consent of anyone except for the two people doing the sharing. If I share my cookies with you, does that imply Nabisco's consent?

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    2. Re:It's not "file sharing" by DesScorp · · Score: 1

      "In no way does the word imply consent of anyone except for the two people doing the sharing. If I share my cookies with you, does that imply Nabisco's consent?"

      You have the total right to that cookie. You can do whatever you want with it. You do NOT have total rights to that song... the copyright stays with the band or whoever they sold it to. There's a significant difference.

      And sharing does imply permission. If you take something from someone without their permission, or give something you're not authorized to give to someone, that's not sharing.

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    3. Re:It's not "file sharing" by lilomar · · Score: 1

      So, you're saying that if I stole the cookies and then split them with you, then its not sharing?

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    4. Re:It's not "file sharing" by DesScorp · · Score: 1

      "So, you're saying that if I stole the cookies and then split them with you, then its not sharing?"

      No, it's not. YOU are distributing stolen merchandise.

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  51. Well, we have been by DesScorp · · Score: 1

    In a way, we have been hitting them with a digital tea party... it's gone under different names over the years... Napster, Kazaa, Limewire.

    However, it's not like our motives were exactly pure...

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    1. Re:Well, we have been by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      And the MAFIAA's motives are as pure as the driven snow?

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    2. Re:Well, we have been by Sally+Forth · · Score: 0

      Do you think they'd have objected to the tea tax if it hasn't been hurting their wallets? :)

  52. Meet Them At The Jail by b4upoo · · Score: 1

    OK! So the music pirates will all go to jail for pirating music while all of the musicians will go to jail for smoking dope. That way the inmates can get their music and their fans all at the same time.
            Tax payers may well see a bit of a problem with supporting all of these convicts.

  53. OY VEY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, let's look at who owns most of the record industry today.. something that rhymes with "GOO".
    That basically explians the moronic, mentally-ill approach RIAA uses to fight this futile battle. Nuff said..

    1. Re:OY VEY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back to chasing Twitter

  54. Re:For one thing the IP of 25.369.46.251 can not e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That could well be intentional, to ensure they don't put an IP actually belonging to something or someone in the publication.

    They could have used a non-routable IP as well, but they may not have had someone with the technical expertise to suggest this.

  55. Re:For one thing the IP of 25.369.46.251 can not e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ping timeout

  56. From the comic by fireheadca · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "We do not want to minimize the impact of these crimes on the industry and artists, who are the victims."

    It seems the comic text likes to bold 'Industry' but not 'Artists'.

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  57. New courtroom scene.... How it should really play by Dr_Marvin_Monroe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where the court appointed attorney is defending poor Megan...

    New text should read...

    Megan's attorney..."Your honor, the record companies are an illegal monopoly with 'unclean-hands,' any theft from them cannot be prosecuted because they obtained the rights to this so-called 'music' through illegal means. The music industry had engaged in illegal price-fixing, secret accounting, payola, thuggery and perhaps even murder to maintain their grip on new music creators. The artists don't have the opportunity to present their music directly to the consumers, and frequently don't even make any money off the albums they record. Musicians frequently see their biggest take while performing live shows, and don't receive money from the labels until they sell millions of albums. The system is rigged. The music cartel's complaint should therefore be discharged immediately."

    Judge... "That's an interesting point..."

    Attorney... "Your Honor, we're prepared to show that the record companies used illegal tactics to get the rights to each of the songs that the defendant has in possession. In fact, we'd like to see the accounting of record sales and proceeds to make sure that the band actually got their fair share."

    Music industry lawyer...."That's going too far... my client doesn't have anything to hide, but we're going to hide it anyway..."

    Megan..."You people are crooks, and I don't feel bad stealing from you one bit..."

    Judge..."Case dismissed..."

       

  58. PDF is the wrong format by Digana · · Score: 1

    Ack, PDF is the wrong format to use for something like that uses so much nontext information. It creates files that are too big. Which is why I took the liberty of converting it to DJVU.

  59. File sharing is cool, but hey it's illegal in US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Folks - I see these posts on Slashdot daily. Everyone loves to get shit for free. The final verdict is that file sharing is illegal. Go check the court dockets and judgments. It may be a difficult and expensive lawsuit for RIAA, but the law is on their side. Talk to your congressional representative or elected official to change the laws. That is all sorry.

  60. Whats wrong with the states lately ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every now and then a shithead nazi group pops
    up and try to influence politics and justice.
    If you still have some of the red blooded Americans
    I used to know kick them to the hole they crawled
    from.
    Nothing less nothing more.

  61. Filesharing is not legal, not illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no legal right to share copyrighted works by creating a copy. I do have a legal right to share a copy without creating a copy (since copyright means right to copy).

    Hey, you redefine words to mean what you want, so will I.

    And in any case, unless I commit fraud by selling you dodgy copies, this is only a civil issue encountered by breaking the contract which has already been broken several times by the holders of copyrights.

    After all, if you get extended copyrights, that must be worth *something* else why would you ask for it? But that value has to come from us, so what do we get for it back? Nothing? Well, that's not a legal change to the contract.

    1. Re:Filesharing is not legal, not illegal by LoweD · · Score: 1

      Redefining words? Was I misunderstood? I didn't claim "file-sharing" was illegal. I stated that "file-sharing of copyrighted material" was/is illegal.

      We agree that file-sharing always results in copying, yes? If so, file-sharing of copyrighted material is infringement.

      And in any case, unless I commit fraud by selling you dodgy copies, this is only a civil issue encountered by breaking the contract which has already been broken several times by the holders of copyrights.

      The copying of copyrighted material (usually but not necessarily for purposes of distribution) is a criminal offense iff

      It is done for financial gain,

      or the material reproduced in a 180 day period exceeds $1000 retail value,

      or the material has not yet been released commercially.

      See here. The definition is actually more involved, but the above summary should suffice (I have assumed we are concerned with the US exclusively. I hope that's not a problem.). Selling/reselling is not essential to determining criminality.

  62. Hah! by rts008 · · Score: 1

    Your UID may be lower, but my IP address is lower! 127.0.0.1
    *opens terminal and types furiou

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  63. Scare the kids by 2Y9D57 · · Score: 1

    This will work about as well as exaggerated drugs "education" has. Tell the kids "One puff of weed and you'll end up as a junkie, living in a cardboard box" - and the kids see the flaws in your argument, go - "Yeah, right," and smoke up anyway.

  64. Re:For one thing the IP of 25.369.46.251 can not e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Invalid IP address numbers are the modern day 555 numbers, for the same reasons

  65. Judiciary Power Grab by sjs132 · · Score: 1

    In the start of the PDF File is the following statement:

    "Today, more than 200 years later, the Judiciary is the least understood of the three."

    Not really, they are ONLY Supposed to enforce the laws as passed by the Legislative branch.

    Seems pretty cut and clear to me.

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  66. Those penalties would be easy to implement by lpq · · Score: 1

    The infrastructure for all of those draconian penalties is already active and being used for minor pot possession charges. One strike and you can lose all federal aid, or be forced to go to prison and/or buy into some expensive re-education program -- I can easily see a "file-sharer's reeducation school" like a "traffic school" -- where students can go to get reduced sentences. The corporations are close to pushing for penalties like these already. The populace gets used to outrageous sentencing being the 'norm'. It is much easier to permanently control the under-class if they have a criminal record. It's easy to get people to ignore these abuses -- because most people feel it's not about 'them'. So it gives enforcers carte blanche to go after anyone they wish. The only think limiting full enforcement is prison capacity -- and they are constantly building new prisons. Just a matter of time.

    It's already common knowledge that anyone can be arrested, *today*. There are so many laws on the books -- police will admit or sometimes brag -- that they can just tail someone long enough and eventually find something. Everyone violates the law. Many laws are aimed at particular groups of people with a particular agenda in mind. Reagan-era Republicans started pursuing a campaigning to "defund the left" -- in everything from individuals to organizations -- to waste their money or take it through legal penalties that the left was more likely to be hit with. Thus arose property forfeiture and mandatory sentencing for minor casual, recreational (or medicinal) drug usage.

    Property forfeiture is the easiest to use, since the victims of the forfeiture have to prove the property's innocence to get it back at their own expense. They don't get a free lawyer because they aren't charged with a crime -- so that's the tactic the DEA is using in California against medical dispensaries. They come in and simply take all the money, equipment and stock -- usually equivalent to 100-500 thousand dollars. They also take property when they can -- and they make sure that landlords know that their property can be seized if they allow illegal activity on their property (if you think about it, that could be used to confiscate even rental housing of those possessing pot -- especially if more than one renter has been busted at a particular address. Of course property seizure is why all our state and federal parks now have become riddled with booby-trapped grow-farms. I doubt people will relocate their computers to federal parks -- but imagine if they implemented property forfeiture as a penalty for file sharing -- the computers obviously get taken -- but might they go for the house too possibly being tainted with money-savings from having "pirated" songs? What, they aren't pirated? Can we see your receipts? How about licenses for music like those for software -- then like the software companies have a sw license inspection company that goes around doing pop-inspections, could they make that work for music licenses as well?

    All the infrastructure needed for these schemes is already in use in other areas -- just needs to be activated for music and video content. :-/

  67. Anyone notice the moral of the story? by langelgjm · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else notice the moral of the story?

    One thing is for sure - I'll never download music without paying for it again.

    Notice that it's not "I'll never illegally download music again," or something similar. Instead, the comic attempts to create a firm association between downloading music and paying money, despite the loads of music that is legally available for free.

    Sounds like an attempt to make readers feel like any downloading without paying is wrong.

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  68. The connection by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

    It's going to be here:

    https://www.ncsconline.org/D_Dev/fotc/fotc_contribute.htm

    At first I thought it was Dwight Opperman, but probably/maybe not. If it's not him, then it's surprising how cheaply you can get these people to pump out propaganda, but my feeling is that they're not naming all their donors there.

    1. Re:The connection by Blackhalo · · Score: 1

      I suspect that it is in there, under "Leaders ($10,000 and above)." Viacom, Inc. and PepsiCo. Inc. which brings to mind the "Reformed Downloaders," Super Bowl ad. Now, I am not a conspiracy theorist by nature, but this is beginning to look more and more like a concerted effort by content providers to sway public opinion against fair use.

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    2. Re:The connection by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      I missed viacom, but that makes it obvious.

  69. propaganda... by shadoelord · · Score: 1

    it is propaganda, not propoganda.

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  70. Time for musicians to cut back some by Alzheimers · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sorry guys, the glory days of excess are over.

    It's either Cocaine OR Hookers. Not both.

    1. Re:Time for musicians to cut back some by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as I am concerned the RIAA are nothing more than hoods in suits, go to boycottRIAA.com and look at the history of the slimey characters and their business histories who operate the RIAA, CRB and Sond Exchange and you'll see what corrupt slime balls that singers, musicians and entertainers have been trying to do business with for over 50 years - and music consumers have been duped into spending money on because of these unscrupoulous shysters manipulations!

      They have screwed me and thousands more like me out of a carreer that we worked very hard to attain, because I and others wouldn't lick ass,ie;( changed our style to what they thought would sell whether we believed in that music or not! ) OOn top of all the stress, heartache and damage they have caused to countless musicians, singers and entertainers lives - even though their business model of doing music business has become obsolete, rather than adopting new technology to enhance their business they are doing all in their power to kill it!

      The truth is these execs ( RIAA, CRB, Sound Exchange, Major Record Labels ) have placed themselves in the upper echelons of society living such a luxurious lifestyle that even the Greek Gods of the famous Greek myths would have been envious, but now they are holding on desperately -
      to hold on to this old antiquated music business model and bring back and hold on to the days when they lived as Gods, dictating which musicians and performers got the nod to be able to show case their art for the world to see and choose who would be able to access the media so that their art could, or would be allowed to reach public ears!

      They previously decided what the public was allowed to hear!

      Now with the advent of Internet artists have the ability to put their work out for the public to decide for themselves whether they like it or not!

      The RIAA,CRB, Sound Exchange, CRIA, and major Record Labels don't like that as it questions their judgements, tastes and pets and allows you the public to make a fair choice!

      RIAA only wants the public to have the choices they give you from their contracted artists as these are the artists that the Major labels have the ability to make a profit on via retail and download sales!

      RIAA, CRIA and similar related organizations around the world, have no ability to make income on Independent artists, therefore RIAA, CRIA and Associates don't want Indie artist material available to the public, as it may cut into their profits, therby limiting execs in the high echelon's of the music business' incomes!

      Now you must remember, most ( not all ) of these Execs are not artists themselves - they just make money off of the backs of artists who are contracted to them!
      Kind of like the way a leech sucks bllod from a body!
      To make a long story short as fsr as I'm concerned they are nothing more than vamps that should have never been legalized or allowed to get so out of hand and need a steak driven through the heart of the RIAA, CRIA, CRB and Sound Exchange and Associates similar to them around the world!

      The only to hurt them and put them out of business is simple - just do not purchase, rent or buy any material that is affiliated with the RIAA!
      Where does most of their product come from?
      Major record labels and affiliated subsiduaries.

      If you are opposed to an executive deciding what he or she is going to allow you to listen to within the the mainstream music stream and want to resist having your choices and preferences and likes decided for you the best thing you can do to be able to have your own choices ad hered to is not but any music that comes from or is assiciated with orginizations like the RIAA, CRIA or European associates! It will state on the packaging of the music you buy what music organizationa are involved!
      If it is a major label or affiliate label then these organizations are involved and will receive money from your purchase!

      Cliff D.

    2. Re:Time for musicians to cut back some by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you've got cocaine, you don't need hookers.

      Not as long as there are teenage girls.

  71. What is wrong with this comic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not an American, but by my understanding of American law, there is nothing wrong with this comic. It portrays the law accurately, in that copyright infringement can be punished as a criminal act under the NET act.

    Certainly, it's a bit simplistic (a comic book doesn't seem to be the correct medium to portray the nuances of copyright law, though), but for the intended audience - who are much more likely to download music from popular artists whose works are protected under copyright (as opposed to older public domain recordings) - it seems mostly appropriate.

    Certainly, materials like this would prevent the "innocent infringement" (that is, "I didn't know downloading music was illegal") defence that some of the people being sued are trying to use.

  72. Lies and threats by GradiusCVK · · Score: 1

    Since it seems perfectly acceptable for tripe like this comic to lie about the law and threaten file sharers with wholly illegal procedures, perhaps we could make a comic response directly to these executives and lawyers who ruin our lives. Here's a quick outline of a good response comic, which could build directly on the one above.
    It starts immediately after the propaganda piece leaves off, except more realistically the prosecutor is replaced with an RIAA attorney. The RIAA attorney is on his cell phone, talking to some industry exec about how great the case went, while walking out of the courtroom. They both erupt into laughter as the attorney is walking down the marble stairs of the courthouse, when suddenly his laughter is cut short as a sniper's bullet turns his head inside out. The executive on the other side of the line starts panicking, saying "Are you there? What happened?", when a man in all black wearing a ski mask picks up the blood-spattered cell phone and informs the executive that his wife and children are being held back at his home. The man in the mask connects the executive to another masked individual at the executive's house in a three-way fun chat, so he can hear the screams and cries of his family as they are raped and murdered, one at a time. As his youngest child, the last family he has left, is slowly cut from ear to ear, a bomb explodes under the executive's desk. The moral of the comic: business execs shouldn't abuse the legal system to ruin people's lives. Perhaps the punitive measures described in the comic are illegal, and perhaps they are even a direct threat aimed at the target audience. What's the inherent difference between this and the propaganda piece above? The punishment dished out to poor Megan is about a million times worse than her "crime", how much worse is one family being murdered in retaliation for destroying the lives of 40000 families?
    Somebody oughta make that comic.

  73. They're askin' for it, aren't they? by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    Was contracted out to Jack T. Chick, no doubt.

    Seems to me this'll just inspire some strips illustrating the arguments on the other side, and probably by better artists. I'd say this is the first volley in a war they really don't want to start..

  74. If they act like children by Orig_Club_Soda · · Score: 0

    Treat them like children. Everyone knows downloading media you havent paid for, or have legal permission to use, is a crime.

  75. Cliff D's TYPOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that I have finished writing this article - I believe I will go and take my spelling lesson or atleast how not to make typos'!

    The RIAA would probably prefer a STEAK driven through the heart rather than a STAKE!

    Then again it may help you remember this article when you are at the Walmart counter about to bu an RIAA or CRIA affiliated CD or MP3! :>)
    Cliff D

  76. Update.... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

    from p2pnet.net

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  77. More... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

    on the comic book debacle.

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