Goob, are you a complete retard or just write like one? Why not go study the subject a little before you comment upon it. Go read up about Gyrocopters, look at the Popular Rotorcraft Association site, (www.pra.org) for starters and Google some links about Gyrocopters in general.
BTW, a Gyrocopter is _already_ in a state of autorotation - the rotor on a gyro ISN'T powered like a helicopter. It bears more resemblance to a wing in an airplane than a helicopter per-se.
Rotor stalls? On a GYRO?! Oh for chrissakes, these things are easier to land "power-off" than any powered rotor helicopter. How would one stall? The most dangerous situations in a gryo are called "bunt-over" and PIO (Pilot Induced Ocillation) from pushing forward too hard and/or fighting the controls.
You can actually fly Autogyro's in wind that would make light-planes like Cessna's, Piper's, etc., make you toss your cookies and slap you into the pavement. Wind doesn't kill idiots that believe these things are safe, the blatent stupidity of people in general is what kills. Your comment on wind leads me to believe that you're talking more about "Powered Parachutes" than you are about Gyrocopters.
Yes, and that nice letter will open a s**tstorm investigation by every privacy pundit and activist group on the planet asking just exactly how much MORE information they are gleaning above and beyond their "nice letter".
I'm sure some people within the bowels of organizations like your ISP's collect data surreptitiously, but they usually aren't going to be stupid enough to let you know they do it. But I also must agree with another poster that said most people are simply too stupid to do anything with the information they could get.
I work in the medical industry. The access to private information people have is utterly frightening - even in spite of recent HIPAA privacy regs that threaten massive monetary injury to those that violate it.
Legalese docs are one thing to protect a corporate entity; what individuals do while "on the job" are something else entirely. And again, I doubt if even Comcast is that freaking stupid to kick out a letter like that.
This is another reason I like reading/. You guys give me a good whack on the side of the head on nearly a daily basis.
I read this and was foolishly thinking (probably like many do) that "oh, if I don't download an attachment and execute it there really is no danger. I mean really, if I don't "run" anything, how would anyone know?"
Silly wabbit is right. It's another case myself of not being able to see the forest for the trees.
I guess ANY HTML email can be malicious in a sense that it can snarf info if it actually interprets and points you to ANY website when you read it in its rendered state.
Talk about eye opening. I'll bet 90% of the general public don't actually realize this can easily be done for targeting purposes. With this in mind it's probably not hard (and don't flame me for not knowing this guys) but targeted spam in order to verify addresses could point to "specially coded".gif files where a server-side plugin can compare the requested.gif to a known email and verify "yep - that addy is active" - even when most people ignore the unsubscribe links.
"The aspects of things that are most important to us are hidden because of their simplicity and familiarity" - Ludwig Wittgenstein
DRM could certainly become an issue at some point, should Microsoft choose to pursue it. IMHO if they did, all it would do is push more people to the various alternatives. They would be complete retards to even consider it.
What I would like to see is an office suite built around something like a framework similar to Eclipse. Not everyone performs Mail-Merges, nor does everyone require all the little drawing tools in MS-Word. If it was an open platform/open framework where extensions could be supported by pluggable bean components, I think that might be even more highly adopted.
Of course, one of the "Save-As" beans could be setup to do some form or fashion of DRM too if it was necessary but even that would be a plug-in, as would various plug-ins to translate between the various Office suites.
Granted, something like the Eclipse approach would be better served with components that can more easily be downloaded/integrated via some means of automation to insulate the average Joe User, but I think the idea itself would have merit. Not only this, but a single group, company, whatever wouldn't have to spend all that precious time working on 2% of the functionality that an even smaller percentage of the user base needs or uses. Small focused groups could work on those plug-ins directly outside of the core framework. In fact, I could envision an HTTP based delivery mechanism where your copy of "PlugOffice" could automatically go to certain trusted sites and install signed beans to give you the precise functionality you (or your corporate team) is looking for, or remove those components you don't find useful to keep the package light.
I'm not arguing or gauging the metrics and value of being able to identify people. What I'm saying is a simple fact. It WOULD fly in the face of Law Enforcement to have the ability to travel through the internet and not be tracked.
Why is "Mr. Jackboot Govthug" asinine? You must not ride motorcycles and get pulled over and harassed for doing nothing wrong other than riding a motorcycle. Since that is my primary exposure to law enforcers, that's the face I choose to paint on that picture. Reactionary? Agreed. However, we all tend to react to our environmental conditioning.
I'll have to say "no thanks" to the chill pill... I don't do drugs - but thank you for your concern!:-)
When have you known a consumer ISP be all that proactive and responsive to many of these issues? Perhaps they go after the uncappers as that affects their bottom line, but you can't tell me that with either proper configuration of routers, etc., that they can't prevent most of this crap further upstream - and STILL protect privacy.
They don't yet because it isn't FISCALLY viable to do so. Trust me - if there was a compelling business model, some major ISP would do just that.
Unfortunately, it might run right smack into the face of the latest anti-terrorist laws, since the ISP wouldn't be able to identify anyone, and this situation would piss off Mr. Jackboot Govthug to no end.
For those suggesting the idea of using it to track races, it would be far more practical, cheaper and less threatening to the public to use the weather balloon-pizza-box camera that was a thread here just last week.
Yes, flying model helicopters are dangerous to J.Q. Public when some nump loses control, yells "Oh Shit!", and the thing comes careening down and gives a bystander a close shave.
At least the balloon camera combo can be deployed with decent motor-mount cameras, more electronics and you wouldn't have to worry about some noob in the crowd scamming your same frequency with another chopper and turning the bike race into a game of drunken Battle-Bots in the sky.
Whether they win or not, the thing to remember is that they (Telco ISP's), at least have the resources to throw around to tie it up in the courts for sometime. Whether it's about compliance or not, the fact that SBC says they wish to protect their customers privacy is a nice "we're for the little guy" selling point.
I would personally like to see the first ISP who refuses to actually keep records of email addresses or IP numbers tied to user accounts, e.g. assign a "token" for the purposes of billing, but don't track IP's, etc, based on that token. Sell service plans that are all or nothing where everyone is throttled the same.
I can just imagine where the RIAA would be if they issued subpoenas for records that don't actually exist, or the ISP can prove they have no idea who these people are.
As long as you maintain a dynamic IP that changes each and every day, and they (ISP) don't maintain any route lists for billing purposes, how do they get you?
Perhaps, but consider the info-consumption of the average consumer;
Most people that use public access terminals aren't deeply privy to the complexities of computer security - only to the extent of what they may read in the media, or what message came down from their corporate IT security group about connecting to their external corporate web-mail account. They may simply assume that when it says "https://" in the header, it means it's encrypted, and that's the extent of their knowledge, or the flier from Bank of America that says "Enjoy free, secure internet banking from any web browser!". It doesn't have the clause "subject to key logging, cookie-snarfing or a video tape being made over your shoulder".
Like everything else, it comes down to individual choices, managing risk and learning about WTF is really going on.
Personally I think ID key pendants like RSA and Securemote kick ass. A hardware token that constantly evolves every minute + PIN, and it rolls into the session-based encryption. Key loggers won't be as effective. Note - I said AS effective. They can still grab sensitive and useful information AFTER the front end login sequence.
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Goob, are you a complete retard or just write like one? Why not go study the subject a little before you comment upon it. Go read up about Gyrocopters, look at the Popular Rotorcraft Association site, (www.pra.org) for starters and Google some links about Gyrocopters in general.
BTW, a Gyrocopter is _already_ in a state of autorotation - the rotor on a gyro ISN'T powered like a helicopter. It bears more resemblance to a wing in an airplane than a helicopter per-se.
Rotor stalls? On a GYRO?! Oh for chrissakes, these things are easier to land "power-off" than any powered rotor helicopter. How would one stall? The most dangerous situations in a gryo are called "bunt-over" and PIO (Pilot Induced Ocillation) from pushing forward too hard and/or fighting the controls.
You can actually fly Autogyro's in wind that would make light-planes like Cessna's, Piper's, etc., make you toss your cookies and slap you into the pavement. Wind doesn't kill idiots that believe these things are safe, the blatent stupidity of people in general is what kills. Your comment on wind leads me to believe that you're talking more about "Powered Parachutes" than you are about Gyrocopters.
Yes, and that nice letter will open a s**tstorm investigation by every privacy pundit and activist group on the planet asking just exactly how much MORE information they are gleaning above and beyond their "nice letter".
I'm sure some people within the bowels of organizations like your ISP's collect data surreptitiously, but they usually aren't going to be stupid enough to let you know they do it. But I also must agree with another poster that said most people are simply too stupid to do anything with the information they could get.
I work in the medical industry. The access to private information people have is utterly frightening - even in spite of recent HIPAA privacy regs that threaten massive monetary injury to those that violate it.
Legalese docs are one thing to protect a corporate entity; what individuals do while "on the job" are something else entirely. And again, I doubt if even Comcast is that freaking stupid to kick out a letter like that.
This is another reason I like reading /. You guys give me a good whack on the side of the head on nearly a daily basis.
.gif files where a server-side plugin can compare the requested .gif to a known email and verify "yep - that addy is active" - even when most people ignore the unsubscribe links.
I read this and was foolishly thinking (probably like many do) that "oh, if I don't download an attachment and execute it there really is no danger. I mean really, if I don't "run" anything, how would anyone know?"
Silly wabbit is right. It's another case myself of not being able to see the forest for the trees.
I guess ANY HTML email can be malicious in a sense that it can snarf info if it actually interprets and points you to ANY website when you read it in its rendered state.
Talk about eye opening. I'll bet 90% of the general public don't actually realize this can easily be done for targeting purposes. With this in mind it's probably not hard (and don't flame me for not knowing this guys) but targeted spam in order to verify addresses could point to "specially coded"
"The aspects of things that are most important to us are hidden because of their simplicity and familiarity" - Ludwig Wittgenstein
DRM could certainly become an issue at some point, should Microsoft choose to pursue it. IMHO if they did, all it would do is push more people to the various alternatives. They would be complete retards to even consider it.
What I would like to see is an office suite built around something like a framework similar to Eclipse. Not everyone performs Mail-Merges, nor does everyone require all the little drawing tools in MS-Word. If it was an open platform/open framework where extensions could be supported by pluggable bean components, I think that might be even more highly adopted.
Of course, one of the "Save-As" beans could be setup to do some form or fashion of DRM too if it was necessary but even that would be a plug-in, as would various plug-ins to translate between the various Office suites.
Granted, something like the Eclipse approach would be better served with components that can more easily be downloaded/integrated via some means of automation to insulate the average Joe User, but I think the idea itself would have merit. Not only this, but a single group, company, whatever wouldn't have to spend all that precious time working on 2% of the functionality that an even smaller percentage of the user base needs or uses. Small focused groups could work on those plug-ins directly outside of the core framework. In fact, I could envision an HTTP based delivery mechanism where your copy of "PlugOffice" could automatically go to certain trusted sites and install signed beans to give you the precise functionality you (or your corporate team) is looking for, or remove those components you don't find useful to keep the package light.
Just my $0.02
Spiritgreywolf
Gee, something other than the color blue to look at!!
Great... Now I gotta stay inside whilst the masses party in the streets and get wasted on Zima...
I'm not arguing or gauging the metrics and value of being able to identify people. What I'm saying is a simple fact. It WOULD fly in the face of Law Enforcement to have the ability to travel through the internet and not be tracked.
:-)
Why is "Mr. Jackboot Govthug" asinine? You must not ride motorcycles and get pulled over and harassed for doing nothing wrong other than riding a motorcycle. Since that is my primary exposure to law enforcers, that's the face I choose to paint on that picture. Reactionary? Agreed. However, we all tend to react to our environmental conditioning.
I'll have to say "no thanks" to the chill pill... I don't do drugs - but thank you for your concern!
Okay... I'll bite... :-)
When have you known a consumer ISP be all that proactive and responsive to many of these issues? Perhaps they go after the uncappers as that affects their bottom line, but you can't tell me that with either proper configuration of routers, etc., that they can't prevent most of this crap further upstream - and STILL protect privacy.
They don't yet because it isn't FISCALLY viable to do so. Trust me - if there was a compelling business model, some major ISP would do just that.
Unfortunately, it might run right smack into the face of the latest anti-terrorist laws, since the ISP wouldn't be able to identify anyone, and this situation would piss off Mr. Jackboot Govthug to no end.
For those suggesting the idea of using it to track races, it would be far more practical, cheaper and less threatening to the public to use the weather balloon-pizza-box camera that was a thread here just last week.
Yes, flying model helicopters are dangerous to J.Q. Public when some nump loses control, yells "Oh Shit!", and the thing comes careening down and gives a bystander a close shave.
At least the balloon camera combo can be deployed with decent motor-mount cameras, more electronics and you wouldn't have to worry about some noob in the crowd scamming your same frequency with another chopper and turning the bike race into a game of drunken Battle-Bots in the sky.
Whether they win or not, the thing to remember is that they (Telco ISP's), at least have the resources to throw around to tie it up in the courts for sometime. Whether it's about compliance or not, the fact that SBC says they wish to protect their customers privacy is a nice "we're for the little guy" selling point.
I would personally like to see the first ISP who refuses to actually keep records of email addresses or IP numbers tied to user accounts, e.g. assign a "token" for the purposes of billing, but don't track IP's, etc, based on that token. Sell service plans that are all or nothing where everyone is throttled the same.
I can just imagine where the RIAA would be if they issued subpoenas for records that don't actually exist, or the ISP can prove they have no idea who these people are.
As long as you maintain a dynamic IP that changes each and every day, and they (ISP) don't maintain any route lists for billing purposes, how do they get you?
Perhaps, but consider the info-consumption of the average consumer;
Most people that use public access terminals aren't deeply privy to the complexities of computer security - only to the extent of what they may read in the media, or what message came down from their corporate IT security group about connecting to their external corporate web-mail account. They may simply assume that when it says "https://" in the header, it means it's encrypted, and that's the extent of their knowledge, or the flier from Bank of America that says "Enjoy free, secure internet banking from any web browser!". It doesn't have the clause "subject to key logging, cookie-snarfing or a video tape being made over your shoulder".
Like everything else, it comes down to individual choices, managing risk and learning about WTF is really going on.
Personally I think ID key pendants like RSA and Securemote kick ass. A hardware token that constantly evolves every minute + PIN, and it rolls into the session-based encryption. Key loggers won't be as effective. Note - I said AS effective. They can still grab sensitive and useful information AFTER the front end login sequence.
YES!!! And YOU are my first retarded, "kant-spel-wurth-a-dam" anonymous reply!
At least you have a keen sense for the obvious - I'll grant you that...
"And if I try really hard, I'll move up to FRY COOK! And that's when the BIG BUCKS start rolling in!"
- Louie Anderson, Coming to America
Would someone 'splain to him that it's "upskirt" shots, not "upINABALLOONLOOKINGDOWNskirt" shots?
Thanks!
:-)