First, stop being an asshole. In China and NK, people can't protest period. We are a long way away from that.
>> In most jurisdictions there are laws against blocking traffic. Sidewalks, however, are open for all.
So, if 1000 protesters want to gather in front of the DNC, where are they going to stand? On the sidewalks? What about the people who depend on thoes sidewalks to get from work to home and back? SHould the people who live and work there be inconvenienced because of protesters? What gives the protesters greater rights than the citizens?
It's easy to sit in your idealistic chair and think in terms of SimCity. But out in the real world, things don't work like that.
The protesters want to be in fron of the DNC for two reasons:
First, the press. They want to be out in front of the same cameras and be on CNN and the locan news. They want to be heard. That's all well and good, but they don't have a *right* to be on the news. They are just there to try and "steal the thunder" from the real event.
This leads into point two: Making trouble. If the protesters cannot get the cameras pointed their way, they will start trouble. Not always, but sometimes. The nore public the event, the more likely it is that someone in the crowd will start some shit just to get on CNN.
I was in a situation a few years back where my job was protested for 3 months. Every day, I passed protesters on the way to work and on the way home. For the most part, they held up signs and acted polite. I spoke with a few and they were all nice people. They kept clear of the roads and the entrance to my office, so it was OK.
My office just happens to be in an area where it doesn't really matter.
But what if these people had been camping out on the sidewalks for 3 months? Could your city function without Main Street's sidewalks?
Citizens decide what is important. Citizens vote for thoes who are more likely to share their views. Citizens then lobby their representatives to ensure that their interests are looked after.
And, in most cities, public referendums can give the citizens the ability to directly vote for or agianst a particular motion.
>>The whole assembly permit thing is meant to put some form of control on assemblies
No, the assembly permit is there to ensure that protesters will not impede the normal operation of the city. If PETA wants to have a protest in front of a slaughterhouse, fine. If they move to block the roads or prevent employees from getting to work, then it isn't fine. If the city council has a reasonable suspission that a group of protesters has the intent to make trouble, then they are within their rights to deny a permit.
>>it is ridiculous to disallow anti-bush protests under the guise of security
I agree. But it is also rediculous to belive that you can put two opposing groups on the same field without provoking contention.
Do you think it'd be OK for the KKK to protest in front of a TuPac memorial concert? After all, the KKK has the right to protest wherever they want. And who really cares if some elements of the groups start fighting? After all, the city will not be burdened with quelling the violence. The taxpayers will not be burdened with paying for damages.
And we all know that the KKK is just a peaceful group not trying to start shit.
And we all know no one will bring a gun to a TuPac concert.
Amendment I says that *congress* shall make no law. This does not prevent my city council from acting in the best interests of the citizens. If the majority populace of a metropolitan area decide they don't want protesters, then a protest won't happen.
If group A is having a party and does not want to hear group B, then group B should respect group A's wishes.
Would you be upset if cemetary owners protested cremations?
Would you be upset if NAMBLA protested weddings?
What if Catholics protested Jewish temples?
You hve the right to express your views. You don't have the right to have a protest outside the front doors of the New York Hilton on a Saturday night. You can't just march up and down Pennsylvania Ave every day. Your right to protest des not override the right of the people who live there to travel to and from work in peace.
The Secret Service can do pretty much whatever it wants. If they decide that a group of protesters poses a threat, they will try and remove the Prez from the area. If he refuses, then they will remove the protesters.
If you have a group insisting that they want to protest while fingering the Prez's ass, then thoes protesters are really just trying to make trouble. While the intent of the protesters might be benign, there *will* be certian elements willing to cash in on the oppertunity to start trouble.
And once the trouble starts, it'll feed on itself. People will be hurt and some may die.
Congress does not grant or deny permits to protest. Cities do. If I live in New York, I have the right to decide who gets to protest in my city.
Congress can't make a law forbidding a gathering, but the citizens can.
>>How can anyone say that one is still being allowed their right to simultaneously assemble, speak and petition the President when they are not allowed within a mile of him?
You have a gathering over there and I'll have a gathering over here. If a citizen decides which gathering to attend, that's his choice. You don't have the right to make my members listen to you. And I don't have the right to make your members listen to me.
Imagine if a group of scientists were trying to develop a cure for cancer and the entire time, Christians were running around inside the lab preaching that stem cells are babies.
Imagine if you are trying to enjoy a wedding while NAMBLA members were screaming in the background that the groom would have more fun if he took a 8 year old boy on his honeymoon.
Imagine a funeral where cemetary owners were protesting your choice to cremate the remains of your father.
The Republican gatherings are for Rebubs to gather and share Repub views. Nothing more. It is not your time to go and talk about how bad the war is. It's not the time for you to bitch about ENRON. You can do thoes things in the voting booth. Or start your own party. Or help out the Democrats. Or not. Your choice.
But one thing you can't do is show up at someone else's party and bitch about how wrong the host is.
Just because you gather, it does not mean that the media has to give you equal attention. Media will cover what it likes. Or what it thinks you want to hear.
You know, things like that used to piss me off. Then someone laid it out for me.
If you have a group, say the Republicans, trying to have a meeting. Then another group, say PETA, wants to protest. The city says that PETA can have a protest, but it must be a few blocks away from the Republicans.
What right to peacibly assemble has been infringed?
None.
The guys at PETA want to disrupt the Republican's right to assemble. Not the other way around. By seperating the groups, everyone can assemble and no one has their rights removed; either by the government or by each other.
Now, you can be an anarchast and claim that anyone should be able to assemble at anytime, but that'd just lead to chaos. The Republicans would be trying to talk while the PETA guys are yelling. The PETA guys would get their asses stomped by the Republican rednecks. Someone would kill a dog or eat a steak just for show. It'd be terrible.
Seperating the groups does not mean that anyone's right to speech has been removed.
The problem with using BSD is not that it is hard, it's just that Linux seems better.
If someone can come up with a good reason to use BSD vice Linux, let me know. Otherwise, Linux provides all the anti-MS geekiness I can stand at the moment.
Actuall, the one placxe I would use BSD is in a firewall. IPTABLES is such a pain and the BSD firewall is much cleaner. However, a LinkSys router can do that job better for under $100.
First off, Rockstar should report her and the children's parents to family services for neglect.
Next, they should sue the kid and his parents. They could claim that he modified the ROT-26 protected binary and used the product in a manner not in accordance with the EULA.
Sue the grandma also. She bought the game and then gave it to someone else. I'm pretty sure the EULA only gives the purchacer the right to use the product.
They should probably sue Jack Thompson for public disclosure of a unaddressed security flaw. Jack should have sent a private memo to Rockstar and given them time to revove the flaw.
Then they should sue Mattell. Your Rockstar should claim they bought a barbie doll and a ken doll for their kids. The kids were latter seen playing with the dolls having simulated sex.
Then sue Lego. You can put thoes things into some funny positions making it look like simulated sex.
Sue the Catholic church for including "Song of Solomon" in the Bible. Sue the Protestants while you are at it.
They should Sue Bill Clinton for having simulated sex in the Oval Office.
Sue Hillary for not divorcing her cheating, lying husband. Women putting up with that shit degrades the American Family. Damn her for not setting a better example for our young women.
Hardware upgrades are a valid path. Because of my location, I look at what the client wants and then put together an order on Newegg. I let the client use their own creditcard and shipping address. When the boxes arrive, I come over, check everything out, and assemble it.
When things go wrong, you need to have a testbed. Have at least one PC with PCI-E and another with AGP. Have one for socket 939 and another for Intel. If you suspect that a part is bad, test it to verify. Then contact Newegg and request a RMA with a cross-shipment of the new part.
I usually charge $100 flat rate for assembly.
For OS installs, I charge $30 an hour. Mainly because most of that time is sitting and waiting for something to finish. After a while, you'll get a CD with drivers for virtually every product you support to make things easier.
I also install AVG Avtivirus, Spybot, and Firefox with the "View in IE" extention as standard.
If you do hardware, get a standard install base. I install AMD 99% of the time. Usually on the MSI Neo2 or Neo4 Platinum mobo. I always install Nvidia cards. 6600 for home users, 6800 for casual gamers, and 6800GT for mainline gamers.
I usually try and keep the client from bothering me while I install stuff. I make it clear before I start that installing has one price; teaching has a completely different price.
I *do not* remove spyware. I do, however, charge $50 to back up the user's stuff using Knoppix and a removable hard drive and then to a reinstall of WinXP. Removing spyware/virii is too time consuming.
Home networking is fairly easy. I keep the Linksys firmware and a general config file on the disc with drivers for most Linksys NICs. Takes maybe 30 minutes to set up. I include a one hour training session to show users how to share a folder and copy files from one computer to another. $50 to $100 depending on the client.
I do just about all of my work in the evenings after work. I let the clients now that they can get discounts in exchange for dinner. Plus, it gives me a chance to sit with the customer and talk about general computer stuff.
Get to know a lot about different subjects. Learn to fake interest in the client's hobbies. "Oh, you play Tyco drums! That's cool. Do you do any festivals nearby?" Shit like that can keep clients coming back for more.
You'll always have to deal with the client that wants "free" Office or doesn't want to buy WinXP "because my neghbor has a copy." My clients know that I won't install anything without the original disc. That being said, I never ask for proof of purchace or a recipt. When buying hardware, I let them know WinXP would be a good purchace.
I've never had to deal with any contracts. I don't buy anything for the customer. I always wear a grounding strap and treat all the parts like they are the baby jesus. If a part fails to work, I RMA it before I leave. Sometimes I provide a replacement while waiting for the RMA. If shit breaks within a month, I provide a free analasys and arrange for RMA or provide a discounted reinstall.
Never point out that the customer broke something. If they claim you broke something, calmly fix it and then never visit that client agian. Remember, most stuff is RMAable and it isn't worth the stress of a "he said, she said" encounter.
You'll know within about 5 minutes if you *want* to help a client. If you don't, just excuse yourself and reccommend they go to BestBuy.
If they client needs a new part like a CDROM or NIC, I charge nothing for the inital troubleshooting as long as it takes less than 30 minutes. I charge $30 to install new hardware. $20 to update drivers.
Agian, hardware will have a thin margin, but the services will help you make some extra cash. In a bad week, I can make $200 just by doing reinstalls. In a good week, $500+ by doing system builds.
Don't forget about Airsoft. While too violent for children, it's perfect for people who think paintball is too messy or want something more realistic. A basic pistol can be had for $100 and will preform nicely at less than 20 meters. Get the biodegradable pellets for outdoor fun; indoor cleanup can still be a pain.
Oh, and be careful where you play. Breaking out a realistic-looking pistol around the office can really break some of your more "fragile" coworkers.
>>And why did the USA need to drop 2 bombs on Japan? Didn't the first one do enough to scare the crap out of them?
Apparently, it didn't. I just came back from a visit to Hiroshima. The city was virtually leveled. Oddly enough, the main structures to survive were the ones closest to the hypocenter. Particularly touching was a elementary school building (massive 3-story concrete structure) less than 500 meters from the blast. The walls of the rooms had glass embedded in them. It didn't kill all the children. The ones who died were lucky.
I'm willing to admit that the blame for Hiroshima rests equally on the shoulders of the Japanese and US governments. But for thoes fuckers to see what took place in Hiroshima and not surrender? There is a government completely out of touch with reality.
Every death in Nagasaki will be marked agianst the Japanese government for not surrendering.
>>How far was Truman ready to go? Kill every Japanese person on the earth.
Yes. That's the point of war. You kill the enemy.
That's why we won WW2. It's why we drew in Korea. It's why we lost Vietnam. It's why we will lose Iraq.
Modern society just doesn't have the taste for obliterating the enemy. We aren't willing to live with the memories of the dead.
And that's why war is obselete.
>>And didn't the USA during WWII jail every American citizen that looked Japanese by force, even if they never broke any laws?
Agian, it's about having the will to do what it takes to win. If you are at war with Japanese, watch the Japanese Americans closely. If you are at war with Muslims, watch them closely.
Today, the ACLU wouldn't tolerate us suspending the rights of Muslims. But if Sep 11-style attacks persisted beyond a few isolated cases, the outcry from the public would quickly drown out the ACLU's lobying.
You can try and say it was a differnet time and a different place and thoes things were accepted. But that's not true. It's just that you haven't been put in a situation to make that choice.
The first is that we close NASA. Divert that money into feeding homeless. Lives would be saved. Hell, even new armor for Humvees would save more lives than NASA.
The second is that we do more unmanned stuff. You know, real science. Going to other planets and stuff. Might even save the human race.
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I'd think it's because the 360 will cost $300 and the Macx86 will cost an order of a magnitude more.
First, stop being an asshole. In China and NK, people can't protest period. We are a long way away from that.
>> In most jurisdictions there are laws against blocking traffic. Sidewalks, however, are open for all.
So, if 1000 protesters want to gather in front of the DNC, where are they going to stand? On the sidewalks? What about the people who depend on thoes sidewalks to get from work to home and back? SHould the people who live and work there be inconvenienced because of protesters? What gives the protesters greater rights than the citizens?
It's easy to sit in your idealistic chair and think in terms of SimCity. But out in the real world, things don't work like that.
The protesters want to be in fron of the DNC for two reasons:
First, the press. They want to be out in front of the same cameras and be on CNN and the locan news. They want to be heard. That's all well and good, but they don't have a *right* to be on the news. They are just there to try and "steal the thunder" from the real event.
This leads into point two: Making trouble. If the protesters cannot get the cameras pointed their way, they will start trouble. Not always, but sometimes. The nore public the event, the more likely it is that someone in the crowd will start some shit just to get on CNN.
I was in a situation a few years back where my job was protested for 3 months. Every day, I passed protesters on the way to work and on the way home. For the most part, they held up signs and acted polite. I spoke with a few and they were all nice people. They kept clear of the roads and the entrance to my office, so it was OK.
My office just happens to be in an area where it doesn't really matter.
But what if these people had been camping out on the sidewalks for 3 months? Could your city function without Main Street's sidewalks?
Citizens decide what is important. Citizens vote for thoes who are more likely to share their views. Citizens then lobby their representatives to ensure that their interests are looked after.
And, in most cities, public referendums can give the citizens the ability to directly vote for or agianst a particular motion.
>>The whole assembly permit thing is meant to put some form of control on assemblies
No, the assembly permit is there to ensure that protesters will not impede the normal operation of the city. If PETA wants to have a protest in front of a slaughterhouse, fine. If they move to block the roads or prevent employees from getting to work, then it isn't fine. If the city council has a reasonable suspission that a group of protesters has the intent to make trouble, then they are within their rights to deny a permit.
>>it is ridiculous to disallow anti-bush protests under the guise of security
I agree. But it is also rediculous to belive that you can put two opposing groups on the same field without provoking contention.
Do you think it'd be OK for the KKK to protest in front of a TuPac memorial concert? After all, the KKK has the right to protest wherever they want. And who really cares if some elements of the groups start fighting? After all, the city will not be burdened with quelling the violence. The taxpayers will not be burdened with paying for damages.
And we all know that the KKK is just a peaceful group not trying to start shit.
And we all know no one will bring a gun to a TuPac concert.
Amendment I says that *congress* shall make no law. This does not prevent my city council from acting in the best interests of the citizens. If the majority populace of a metropolitan area decide they don't want protesters, then a protest won't happen.
So, you think it'd be OK for a bunch of outsiders to come to your city and clog up the streets in a protest?
What if they stayed for a day? A weekend? A week?
I'm not saying they don't have the right to protest. I'm just saying that their right to protest does not trump my right to travel on the streets.
Public spaces need to be shared. If the protesters aren't willing to comprimise, then what should we do?
If group A is having a party and does not want to hear group B, then group B should respect group A's wishes.
Would you be upset if cemetary owners protested cremations?
Would you be upset if NAMBLA protested weddings?
What if Catholics protested Jewish temples?
You hve the right to express your views. You don't have the right to have a protest outside the front doors of the New York Hilton on a Saturday night. You can't just march up and down Pennsylvania Ave every day. Your right to protest des not override the right of the people who live there to travel to and from work in peace.
The Secret Service can do pretty much whatever it wants. If they decide that a group of protesters poses a threat, they will try and remove the Prez from the area. If he refuses, then they will remove the protesters.
If you have a group insisting that they want to protest while fingering the Prez's ass, then thoes protesters are really just trying to make trouble. While the intent of the protesters might be benign, there *will* be certian elements willing to cash in on the oppertunity to start trouble.
And once the trouble starts, it'll feed on itself. People will be hurt and some may die.
Congress does not grant or deny permits to protest. Cities do. If I live in New York, I have the right to decide who gets to protest in my city.
Congress can't make a law forbidding a gathering, but the citizens can.
>>How can anyone say that one is still being allowed their right to simultaneously assemble, speak and petition the President when they are not allowed within a mile of him?
You have a gathering over there and I'll have a gathering over here. If a citizen decides which gathering to attend, that's his choice. You don't have the right to make my members listen to you. And I don't have the right to make your members listen to me.
Imagine if a group of scientists were trying to develop a cure for cancer and the entire time, Christians were running around inside the lab preaching that stem cells are babies.
Imagine if you are trying to enjoy a wedding while NAMBLA members were screaming in the background that the groom would have more fun if he took a 8 year old boy on his honeymoon.
Imagine a funeral where cemetary owners were protesting your choice to cremate the remains of your father.
The Republican gatherings are for Rebubs to gather and share Repub views. Nothing more. It is not your time to go and talk about how bad the war is. It's not the time for you to bitch about ENRON. You can do thoes things in the voting booth. Or start your own party. Or help out the Democrats. Or not. Your choice.
But one thing you can't do is show up at someone else's party and bitch about how wrong the host is.
Just because you gather, it does not mean that the media has to give you equal attention. Media will cover what it likes. Or what it thinks you want to hear.
You know, things like that used to piss me off. Then someone laid it out for me.
If you have a group, say the Republicans, trying to have a meeting. Then another group, say PETA, wants to protest. The city says that PETA can have a protest, but it must be a few blocks away from the Republicans.
What right to peacibly assemble has been infringed?
None.
The guys at PETA want to disrupt the Republican's right to assemble. Not the other way around. By seperating the groups, everyone can assemble and no one has their rights removed; either by the government or by each other.
Now, you can be an anarchast and claim that anyone should be able to assemble at anytime, but that'd just lead to chaos. The Republicans would be trying to talk while the PETA guys are yelling. The PETA guys would get their asses stomped by the Republican rednecks. Someone would kill a dog or eat a steak just for show. It'd be terrible.
Seperating the groups does not mean that anyone's right to speech has been removed.
The problem with using BSD is not that it is hard, it's just that Linux seems better.
If someone can come up with a good reason to use BSD vice Linux, let me know. Otherwise, Linux provides all the anti-MS geekiness I can stand at the moment.
Actuall, the one placxe I would use BSD is in a firewall. IPTABLES is such a pain and the BSD firewall is much cleaner. However, a LinkSys router can do that job better for under $100.
So, how would Debian stack up with all the init scripts disabled?
First off, Rockstar should report her and the children's parents to family services for neglect.
Next, they should sue the kid and his parents. They could claim that he modified the ROT-26 protected binary and used the product in a manner not in accordance with the EULA.
Sue the grandma also. She bought the game and then gave it to someone else. I'm pretty sure the EULA only gives the purchacer the right to use the product.
They should probably sue Jack Thompson for public disclosure of a unaddressed security flaw. Jack should have sent a private memo to Rockstar and given them time to revove the flaw.
Then they should sue Mattell. Your Rockstar should claim they bought a barbie doll and a ken doll for their kids. The kids were latter seen playing with the dolls having simulated sex.
Then sue Lego. You can put thoes things into some funny positions making it look like simulated sex.
Sue the Catholic church for including "Song of Solomon" in the Bible. Sue the Protestants while you are at it.
They should Sue Bill Clinton for having simulated sex in the Oval Office.
Sue Hillary for not divorcing her cheating, lying husband. Women putting up with that shit degrades the American Family. Damn her for not setting a better example for our young women.
I do a little of this on the side also.
Hardware upgrades are a valid path. Because of my location, I look at what the client wants and then put together an order on Newegg. I let the client use their own creditcard and shipping address. When the boxes arrive, I come over, check everything out, and assemble it.
When things go wrong, you need to have a testbed. Have at least one PC with PCI-E and another with AGP. Have one for socket 939 and another for Intel. If you suspect that a part is bad, test it to verify. Then contact Newegg and request a RMA with a cross-shipment of the new part.
I usually charge $100 flat rate for assembly.
For OS installs, I charge $30 an hour. Mainly because most of that time is sitting and waiting for something to finish. After a while, you'll get a CD with drivers for virtually every product you support to make things easier.
I also install AVG Avtivirus, Spybot, and Firefox with the "View in IE" extention as standard.
If you do hardware, get a standard install base. I install AMD 99% of the time. Usually on the MSI Neo2 or Neo4 Platinum mobo. I always install Nvidia cards. 6600 for home users, 6800 for casual gamers, and 6800GT for mainline gamers.
I usually try and keep the client from bothering me while I install stuff. I make it clear before I start that installing has one price; teaching has a completely different price.
I *do not* remove spyware. I do, however, charge $50 to back up the user's stuff using Knoppix and a removable hard drive and then to a reinstall of WinXP. Removing spyware/virii is too time consuming.
Home networking is fairly easy. I keep the Linksys firmware and a general config file on the disc with drivers for most Linksys NICs. Takes maybe 30 minutes to set up. I include a one hour training session to show users how to share a folder and copy files from one computer to another. $50 to $100 depending on the client.
I do just about all of my work in the evenings after work. I let the clients now that they can get discounts in exchange for dinner. Plus, it gives me a chance to sit with the customer and talk about general computer stuff.
Get to know a lot about different subjects. Learn to fake interest in the client's hobbies. "Oh, you play Tyco drums! That's cool. Do you do any festivals nearby?" Shit like that can keep clients coming back for more.
You'll always have to deal with the client that wants "free" Office or doesn't want to buy WinXP "because my neghbor has a copy." My clients know that I won't install anything without the original disc. That being said, I never ask for proof of purchace or a recipt. When buying hardware, I let them know WinXP would be a good purchace.
I've never had to deal with any contracts. I don't buy anything for the customer. I always wear a grounding strap and treat all the parts like they are the baby jesus. If a part fails to work, I RMA it before I leave. Sometimes I provide a replacement while waiting for the RMA. If shit breaks within a month, I provide a free analasys and arrange for RMA or provide a discounted reinstall.
Never point out that the customer broke something. If they claim you broke something, calmly fix it and then never visit that client agian. Remember, most stuff is RMAable and it isn't worth the stress of a "he said, she said" encounter.
You'll know within about 5 minutes if you *want* to help a client. If you don't, just excuse yourself and reccommend they go to BestBuy.
If they client needs a new part like a CDROM or NIC, I charge nothing for the inital troubleshooting as long as it takes less than 30 minutes. I charge $30 to install new hardware. $20 to update drivers.
Agian, hardware will have a thin margin, but the services will help you make some extra cash. In a bad week, I can make $200 just by doing reinstalls. In a good week, $500+ by doing system builds.
They have to remove the guns and replace them with sticks and whistles.
Plays havoc with most strategies.
Don't forget about Airsoft. While too violent for children, it's perfect for people who think paintball is too messy or want something more realistic. A basic pistol can be had for $100 and will preform nicely at less than 20 meters. Get the biodegradable pellets for outdoor fun; indoor cleanup can still be a pain.
Oh, and be careful where you play. Breaking out a realistic-looking pistol around the office can really break some of your more "fragile" coworkers.
This one has more seeds.
http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3299963
But 13GiB is a *massive* download; even for bittorrent.
I agree. But identifying fanatics can be hard. Especially on short notice.
You can't rationalize war.
If you have an enemy and that enemy has a leader, it's easy to bomb them till they are tired of being bombed. Then they will surrender.
That's not what happened in Iraq.
We went in virtually unopposed. We never really beat the fight out of the enemy. That's why they are still resisting us.
We need to either leave, or kill the enemy.
They did have telegraph and photographs.
An obvious troll...
Well, Germany's count is, what, 9 million civilians? At least.
What's the US body count?
>>And why did the USA need to drop 2 bombs on Japan? Didn't the first one do enough to scare the crap out of them?
Apparently, it didn't. I just came back from a visit to Hiroshima. The city was virtually leveled. Oddly enough, the main structures to survive were the ones closest to the hypocenter. Particularly touching was a elementary school building (massive 3-story concrete structure) less than 500 meters from the blast. The walls of the rooms had glass embedded in them. It didn't kill all the children. The ones who died were lucky.
I'm willing to admit that the blame for Hiroshima rests equally on the shoulders of the Japanese and US governments. But for thoes fuckers to see what took place in Hiroshima and not surrender? There is a government completely out of touch with reality.
Every death in Nagasaki will be marked agianst the Japanese government for not surrendering.
>>How far was Truman ready to go? Kill every Japanese person on the earth.
Yes. That's the point of war. You kill the enemy.
That's why we won WW2. It's why we drew in Korea. It's why we lost Vietnam. It's why we will lose Iraq.
Modern society just doesn't have the taste for obliterating the enemy. We aren't willing to live with the memories of the dead.
And that's why war is obselete.
>>And didn't the USA during WWII jail every American citizen that looked Japanese by force, even if they never broke any laws?
Agian, it's about having the will to do what it takes to win. If you are at war with Japanese, watch the Japanese Americans closely. If you are at war with Muslims, watch them closely.
Today, the ACLU wouldn't tolerate us suspending the rights of Muslims. But if Sep 11-style attacks persisted beyond a few isolated cases, the outcry from the public would quickly drown out the ACLU's lobying.
You can try and say it was a differnet time and a different place and thoes things were accepted. But that's not true. It's just that you haven't been put in a situation to make that choice.
And if you were, could you?
Maybe it'd be better if they just cancel the manned missions for a while.
That's all I'm trying to say.
I do give a shit.
If the shuttle fails there are two options.
The first is that we close NASA. Divert that money into feeding homeless. Lives would be saved. Hell, even new armor for Humvees would save more lives than NASA.
The second is that we do more unmanned stuff. You know, real science. Going to other planets and stuff. Might even save the human race.
People die every day. Lots of them. If 7 more deaths means that *real* science can get more money, then I'm all for it.
Especially if that *real* science can do things like find other planets sutable for humanity.
Face it, we need to get to the planets and other stars. This "circle the earth" shit just isn't cutting it.
As much as I hate to say it, the best thing that could happen would be for something to go wrong.
I'd hate to see more people die, but if it means more budget for unmanned probes, it'd be worth it.
Maybe a collapsed gear on landing or something where they can get back alive...