Yeah, when lawyers and the justice system and the government promise to stay within certain boundaries, they *never* go outside of them! They may not be admissible in court, but don't think for a second they're not just going to get a bit stack of papers documenting everything on his account from day one to now.
I don't get people when it comes to that shit, either. GI JOE and TRANSFORMERS were 22 minute commercials (they even used to be slotted into the station programming in the PD's grid as advertising) for vapid creatively lacking toys in the early 80s. The only thing more baffling than people expecting them to somehow be more meaningful thirty years later is that people actually place some sort of inherent value and nostalgia for them. Commercials. Advertising. For toys. It's like being thirty five years old and really yearning for a classic Honey Combs commercial and some jackass greenlighting a hundred million to produce it.
Transformers falls into the massive category where people say "it's not real, so it's therefore science fiction!". It's like calling Inspector Gadget a science fiction cartoon, because he has a mechanical hand that pops out of his hat.
I still detest Contact being listed as one of the greatest science fiction movies of all time (as well as Predator - but that's obvious). I had a discussion with a friend of mine who feels it absolutely belongs there, because it so accurately depicts the way discoveries would work in the scientific community. My argument against it is that it's an awesome science fiction movie right up until the last third where it all turns to shit with a bunch of paranormal bullshit.
There's plenty of content out there all over torrent sites that the creator of that content has intentionally seeded to the public. Just because something isn't from "Corporate Conglomerate Name" doesn't mean it isn't legitimate. Is all that project gutenberg content somehow less valid if it's up on a public torrent site, just because you didn't get it straight from some publisher (who wouldn't be able to own the copyright, anyway)?
So when the same torrent is indexed by numerous sites out there, it suddenly becomes illegitimate, because the user clicked on it through an indexer rather than directly through the site? It's the same content from the same source, either way. You just got the index from a different location. How is it suddenly illegitimate if you ran across it on piratebay, if the tracker inside the torrent is the legitimate server in the first place? Unless they're somehow going to turn it into a private tracker that you have to have an account for before downloading the file via their own bit torrent service (which wouldn't surprise me) so they could lock it down from those who aren't connecting to the tracker with a passkey.
There is a far greater difference between "Windows 7" and "Linux" on a torrent site than there is between "this is a fully produced copyrighted film distributed by a big studio that is okay to download over the internet" and "this is a fully produced copyrighted film distributed by a big studio that is not okay to download over the internet". What, you're suggesting that as long as it doesn't say "Uberl33tSCENERLS" in the filename, that makes it legit to download as it must have been placed on the torrents legitimately?
The problem is that when they do take that into account, you get shit like "Warehouse 13", which is a SyFy series that has nothing even remotely to do with science and is all about hunting down magical objects as a plot tool to get an attractive red head and an attractive dark haired guy together into romantic psueodo-Moonlighting situations to attract female viewers.
And then films like MOON are regarded as "so fucking boring - turned it off" by mouth breathers.
What do you expect? It's a shitty "geek" website looking for hits.
Though, I'm not sure what's geek related about a film called "Bridesmaids" and "Chalet Girl", which are both featured at the top of the page in the rolling marquee.
APOLLO 18: Based on a real-world 70s NASA mission that was abandoned due to budget cuts, Apollo 18 reads like a mixture of Duncan Jones' Moon and Paranormal Activity -- BZZZZT!! NO!
ATTACK THE BLOCK: It's Independence Day meets -- BZZZZT!! NO!
COWBOYS & ALIENS: We're really stretching science fiction, now, with this. Good director, though, so . . . .
SUPER 8: Okay, the trailer for this actually looks good. I don't know that it has anything more to do with Science Fiction than Cloverfield does, though (which was just a movie about a bunch of hipsters running away from a shaky camera all night).
REAL STEEL: Wow, that really has NOTHING to do with the Twilight Zone episode it's supposed based on. Also, shouldn't this be a heart warming riot starring Will Smith? This is also really stretching the name "science fiction" in much the same way Warehouse 13 stretches the term "science fiction".
CONTAGION: Let me guess -- it'll have something to do with bird flu or biological warfare and will be as scientifically inaccurate as "Right At Your Door", which was a shitty two hour "science fiction" movie I recently saw where nobody seemed to comprehend the difference between bacteria, a virus, radiation, and nuclear weapons. Seriously, a fucking DIRTY BOMB (a nuclear weapon) went off downtown, so the government instructs everyone in the city to go home and seal up their houses with plastic and duct tape. Then the guy's wife comes home, but it's too late and they leave her outside until they "see what the effects are". She gets worse and people are dying and medical professionals are scouting the neighborhoods putting people out of their misery and/or checking their medical status as they try to develop a cure for the virus (THERE WAS NO VIRUS, IT WAS A NUKE!). Eventually, the man who locks everyone out and stays inside dies, because it turns out that just enough of the stuff from the nuke seeped into his home and his efforts to seal his house shut provided the perfect climate for the bacteria to mutate and become too deadly to overcome (AGAIN, THERE WAS NO VIRUS/BACTERIA -- IT WAS A NUKE). This will be another one of those movies Good Morning America and other shitty television shows use to ask the question "COULD IT HAPPEN HERE?!". *yawn*
THE THING: Won't this be the third time? No thanks. NO. It would have to be the most fucking amazing film ever to justify itself. Also, we already know about "THE THING". The surprise is already gone. Also, The Thing is a horror movie; not science fiction.
RISE OF THE APES: Couldn't care less about more Planet of the Apes. And certainly not from a cast I've never heard of (except for Serkis, which sadly isn't enough to entice me). Seriously. That was 40 years ago. New stuff, please?
THE DIVIDE: The Divide sees New York obliterated by an unspecified apocalyptic event. Huddled in a dank basement, eight survivors battle both a group of armed men in decontamination suits and their own disintegrating psyches in a thriller described as a combination of Assault On Precinct 13 and Lord Of The Flies. -- I'm sure I'll see it, because I'm a sucker for this sort of film, even though it sounds completely unrelated to the science fiction genre. Unfortunately, we've also seen this movie 800 times. Do something new?
Chances are, they're using this to screw over the director or producer or someone else who has a stake in things. Kind of like when a musician is stuck in a shitty contract for two more albums and just releases shit to undermine the label.
The more important question is - how will you know it's okay to download it? I mean, what differentiates one movie on bit torrent versus another? It sounds like this just muddies things. After all, if one movie is okay to download on bit torrent (and I don't know what would identify it as being authorized to download by the copyright holder when you're looking at a torrent index) and a movie that isn't?
I don't know, I'd probably trade in all the trouble making I did in my teens to be one of those ridiculously smart and ambitious kids who are applying for college at thirteen and getting patents at fourteen. I've never heard one of those genius kids grow up and voice regret about their childhood being spent being smart and successful.:)
One of the primary focuses of schools is to churn out cookie cutter kids. Being too smart or too awkward or too different is a detriment. Emo or goth or punk? Welcome to the school-shooter watch list! Too much of a geek? You, too! Never know when you're going to take out the abuse from that dumb jock on the entire school. In fact, that's essentially the entire purpose of society. To coerce people to lean toward the norm and not deviate.
Anyway, a decent home school education is definitely valuable -- but there's something to be said for not spending most of your life stuck indoors with mommy.
If kids weren't beating the fuck out of each other in school and torturing and harassing each other in school, I doubt it would be an issue outside of school, either. In a lot of these instances, the online "harassment" is merely an extension of the viciousness that is occurring inside the walls of the school eight hours a day. Perhaps they'd be less inclined to do that outside of school if they weren't allowed to get away with it *inside* of school, too. The problem is that teachers and administrators look the other way. Trouble makers get away with it and at worse are "disciplined" but kept in school. Then parents excuse it as some sort of insane right of passage or character building exercise. The parents that do take it seriously reach a roadblock when nobody else engages with them and they're forced to send their kid to a violent prison for eight hours a day with no recourse to protect them.
I remember a specific incident when I was in junior high in the 90s. There were two teachers right in front of me in the hallway and a large eight grader at the end of the hallway walked passed a small seventh grade student and in one swift motion, slammed his head directly into a wall for no reason. The kid passed out and had a concussion. The teachers didn't respond. They just kept walking and turned at the next bend in the hallway. The kid who did it was a trouble maker and had a lot of detention. Was never expelled or removed from being a threat to the rest of the school.
Unrelated, but interesting, I remember when I was in grade school and I was walking down a hallway. I was running my outstretched arm against the wall as I walked down the mostly empty hall. One of the special-ed kids was coming the other way . . . and at the last second, moved to the side and took a fucking BITE OUT OF MY ARM.
Schools are fucked up places. At no other time in my life have I been forced to surround myself with sociopaths, criminals, and the insane.
It has little to do with the "land of the free" thing. It has more to do with, as was mentioned, harassment and threats. This isn't much of a problem for adults, because there are laws out there to protect people from being stalked, threatened, or physically attacked. The behavior wouldn't be tolerated if I did those things to you in public or at work or, often, even online.
However, children aren't given the same benefit. If an adult smacks their spouse, it's a crime. If they smack their coworker, it's a crime. If they smack their own kid, it's your right to raise your kid how you like. If other kids in school or the neighborhood (even if they're much bigger, older, or in packs than your kid) do those things to a kid, it's just "kids being kids" and "character building - toughen up!".
The problem is that they are paying all this attention to "abuse" via the internet when they should be paying attention to the shit that goes on right in front of their own eyes in their own schools where kids are supposed to be receiving an academic education in safety. Teachers don't give a fuck and will (and always have) looked the other way as kids outright beat the fuck out of other students in many-on-one incidents in their own class rooms. Or in the hallways. I saw this shit happen all the time when I was in school. I even tried to step in a few times, but because I was a jock (outside of school; not through school provided activities), I usually put a swift end to things. And then *I* was the one in trouble. So I learned that helping someone even out the odds was a risky thing to do.
I can't even imagine how some of the kids I went to school with made it through all twelve years. Since I left earlier and began my career early, I didn't see how they turned out. For all I know, some of them may have dropped out because they couldn't take coming to school for the incessant daily abuse with the unspoken permissiveness of the administration that was paid to take care of them. Perhaps some of them killed themselves. Who knows?
Either way, the answer is to stop treating it like it's a "right of passage" *AND* to stop focusing on the fucking online bullshit. If they're "attacking" each other after school in person or online, they're doing far worse in the hallways and classrooms and nobody is stepping in to do shit about it.
And yeah, I'm all for weeding out the trouble makers early on. If you don't want to be in school, then fuck off. Let the kids who want to be there receive an uninterrupted education. The world always has plenty of demand for fry cooks and ditch diggers.
I think it has less to do with her than it does the shitty two-dimensional roles she's been given. Not to mention, The Cape was a moronic concept that didn't need her help to fall on its face.
That said, I've never understood the fanfare over her "acting". She may be a brilliant actress, but none of us would know it from Firefly. I don't playing a nearly catatonic girl who almost never talks or has any meaningful interaction with anyone is particularly challenging. It didn't even necessarily demand "I Am Sam" level of acting.
If you can play the guitar, you can get laid from all the easy chicks out there who swoon over every moron who can strum three chords together and whisper-sing some bullshit. When you've got that going for you, who the fuck cares about playing a real guitar to score gems or points or whatever the fuck you get in a stupid video game?
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Yeah, when lawyers and the justice system and the government promise to stay within certain boundaries, they *never* go outside of them! They may not be admissible in court, but don't think for a second they're not just going to get a bit stack of papers documenting everything on his account from day one to now.
Remember when Tim Burton's movies used to not suck ass? Granted, that was like twenty years ago, but . . .
I don't get people when it comes to that shit, either. GI JOE and TRANSFORMERS were 22 minute commercials (they even used to be slotted into the station programming in the PD's grid as advertising) for vapid creatively lacking toys in the early 80s. The only thing more baffling than people expecting them to somehow be more meaningful thirty years later is that people actually place some sort of inherent value and nostalgia for them. Commercials. Advertising. For toys. It's like being thirty five years old and really yearning for a classic Honey Combs commercial and some jackass greenlighting a hundred million to produce it.
Transformers falls into the massive category where people say "it's not real, so it's therefore science fiction!". It's like calling Inspector Gadget a science fiction cartoon, because he has a mechanical hand that pops out of his hat.
No, the list came out like . . . a month or two ago. It was pretty widely distributed.
I still detest Contact being listed as one of the greatest science fiction movies of all time (as well as Predator - but that's obvious). I had a discussion with a friend of mine who feels it absolutely belongs there, because it so accurately depicts the way discoveries would work in the scientific community. My argument against it is that it's an awesome science fiction movie right up until the last third where it all turns to shit with a bunch of paranormal bullshit.
There's plenty of content out there all over torrent sites that the creator of that content has intentionally seeded to the public. Just because something isn't from "Corporate Conglomerate Name" doesn't mean it isn't legitimate. Is all that project gutenberg content somehow less valid if it's up on a public torrent site, just because you didn't get it straight from some publisher (who wouldn't be able to own the copyright, anyway)?
So when the same torrent is indexed by numerous sites out there, it suddenly becomes illegitimate, because the user clicked on it through an indexer rather than directly through the site? It's the same content from the same source, either way. You just got the index from a different location. How is it suddenly illegitimate if you ran across it on piratebay, if the tracker inside the torrent is the legitimate server in the first place? Unless they're somehow going to turn it into a private tracker that you have to have an account for before downloading the file via their own bit torrent service (which wouldn't surprise me) so they could lock it down from those who aren't connecting to the tracker with a passkey.
There is a far greater difference between "Windows 7" and "Linux" on a torrent site than there is between "this is a fully produced copyrighted film distributed by a big studio that is okay to download over the internet" and "this is a fully produced copyrighted film distributed by a big studio that is not okay to download over the internet". What, you're suggesting that as long as it doesn't say "Uberl33tSCENERLS" in the filename, that makes it legit to download as it must have been placed on the torrents legitimately?
The problem is that when they do take that into account, you get shit like "Warehouse 13", which is a SyFy series that has nothing even remotely to do with science and is all about hunting down magical objects as a plot tool to get an attractive red head and an attractive dark haired guy together into romantic psueodo-Moonlighting situations to attract female viewers.
And then films like MOON are regarded as "so fucking boring - turned it off" by mouth breathers.
What do you expect? It's a shitty "geek" website looking for hits.
Though, I'm not sure what's geek related about a film called "Bridesmaids" and "Chalet Girl", which are both featured at the top of the page in the rolling marquee.
APOLLO 18: Based on a real-world 70s NASA mission that was abandoned due to budget cuts, Apollo 18 reads like a mixture of Duncan Jones' Moon and Paranormal Activity -- BZZZZT!! NO!
ATTACK THE BLOCK: It's Independence Day meets -- BZZZZT!! NO!
COWBOYS & ALIENS: We're really stretching science fiction, now, with this. Good director, though, so . . . .
SUPER 8: Okay, the trailer for this actually looks good. I don't know that it has anything more to do with Science Fiction than Cloverfield does, though (which was just a movie about a bunch of hipsters running away from a shaky camera all night).
REAL STEEL: Wow, that really has NOTHING to do with the Twilight Zone episode it's supposed based on. Also, shouldn't this be a heart warming riot starring Will Smith? This is also really stretching the name "science fiction" in much the same way Warehouse 13 stretches the term "science fiction".
CONTAGION: Let me guess -- it'll have something to do with bird flu or biological warfare and will be as scientifically inaccurate as "Right At Your Door", which was a shitty two hour "science fiction" movie I recently saw where nobody seemed to comprehend the difference between bacteria, a virus, radiation, and nuclear weapons. Seriously, a fucking DIRTY BOMB (a nuclear weapon) went off downtown, so the government instructs everyone in the city to go home and seal up their houses with plastic and duct tape. Then the guy's wife comes home, but it's too late and they leave her outside until they "see what the effects are". She gets worse and people are dying and medical professionals are scouting the neighborhoods putting people out of their misery and/or checking their medical status as they try to develop a cure for the virus (THERE WAS NO VIRUS, IT WAS A NUKE!). Eventually, the man who locks everyone out and stays inside dies, because it turns out that just enough of the stuff from the nuke seeped into his home and his efforts to seal his house shut provided the perfect climate for the bacteria to mutate and become too deadly to overcome (AGAIN, THERE WAS NO VIRUS/BACTERIA -- IT WAS A NUKE). This will be another one of those movies Good Morning America and other shitty television shows use to ask the question "COULD IT HAPPEN HERE?!". *yawn*
THE THING: Won't this be the third time? No thanks. NO. It would have to be the most fucking amazing film ever to justify itself. Also, we already know about "THE THING". The surprise is already gone. Also, The Thing is a horror movie; not science fiction.
RISE OF THE APES: Couldn't care less about more Planet of the Apes. And certainly not from a cast I've never heard of (except for Serkis, which sadly isn't enough to entice me). Seriously. That was 40 years ago. New stuff, please?
THE DIVIDE: The Divide sees New York obliterated by an unspecified apocalyptic event. Huddled in a dank basement, eight survivors battle both a group of armed men in decontamination suits and their own disintegrating psyches in a thriller described as a combination of Assault On Precinct 13 and Lord Of The Flies. -- I'm sure I'll see it, because I'm a sucker for this sort of film, even though it sounds completely unrelated to the science fiction genre. Unfortunately, we've also seen this movie 800 times. Do something new?
Chances are, they're using this to screw over the director or producer or someone else who has a stake in things. Kind of like when a musician is stuck in a shitty contract for two more albums and just releases shit to undermine the label.
The more important question is - how will you know it's okay to download it? I mean, what differentiates one movie on bit torrent versus another? It sounds like this just muddies things. After all, if one movie is okay to download on bit torrent (and I don't know what would identify it as being authorized to download by the copyright holder when you're looking at a torrent index) and a movie that isn't?
I don't know, I'd probably trade in all the trouble making I did in my teens to be one of those ridiculously smart and ambitious kids who are applying for college at thirteen and getting patents at fourteen. I've never heard one of those genius kids grow up and voice regret about their childhood being spent being smart and successful. :)
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
One of the primary focuses of schools is to churn out cookie cutter kids. Being too smart or too awkward or too different is a detriment. Emo or goth or punk? Welcome to the school-shooter watch list! Too much of a geek? You, too! Never know when you're going to take out the abuse from that dumb jock on the entire school. In fact, that's essentially the entire purpose of society. To coerce people to lean toward the norm and not deviate.
Anyway, a decent home school education is definitely valuable -- but there's something to be said for not spending most of your life stuck indoors with mommy.
I play piano and sax. Doesn't have the same effect on chicks. :P
If kids weren't beating the fuck out of each other in school and torturing and harassing each other in school, I doubt it would be an issue outside of school, either. In a lot of these instances, the online "harassment" is merely an extension of the viciousness that is occurring inside the walls of the school eight hours a day. Perhaps they'd be less inclined to do that outside of school if they weren't allowed to get away with it *inside* of school, too. The problem is that teachers and administrators look the other way. Trouble makers get away with it and at worse are "disciplined" but kept in school. Then parents excuse it as some sort of insane right of passage or character building exercise. The parents that do take it seriously reach a roadblock when nobody else engages with them and they're forced to send their kid to a violent prison for eight hours a day with no recourse to protect them.
I remember a specific incident when I was in junior high in the 90s. There were two teachers right in front of me in the hallway and a large eight grader at the end of the hallway walked passed a small seventh grade student and in one swift motion, slammed his head directly into a wall for no reason. The kid passed out and had a concussion. The teachers didn't respond. They just kept walking and turned at the next bend in the hallway. The kid who did it was a trouble maker and had a lot of detention. Was never expelled or removed from being a threat to the rest of the school.
Unrelated, but interesting, I remember when I was in grade school and I was walking down a hallway. I was running my outstretched arm against the wall as I walked down the mostly empty hall. One of the special-ed kids was coming the other way . . . and at the last second, moved to the side and took a fucking BITE OUT OF MY ARM.
Schools are fucked up places. At no other time in my life have I been forced to surround myself with sociopaths, criminals, and the insane.
The same laws that don't allow you to beat your wife or coworker, but allow you to beat your child as a parental disciplinary choice.
It is. Homeschooled kids make Amish kids seem normal.
It has little to do with the "land of the free" thing. It has more to do with, as was mentioned, harassment and threats. This isn't much of a problem for adults, because there are laws out there to protect people from being stalked, threatened, or physically attacked. The behavior wouldn't be tolerated if I did those things to you in public or at work or, often, even online.
However, children aren't given the same benefit. If an adult smacks their spouse, it's a crime. If they smack their coworker, it's a crime. If they smack their own kid, it's your right to raise your kid how you like. If other kids in school or the neighborhood (even if they're much bigger, older, or in packs than your kid) do those things to a kid, it's just "kids being kids" and "character building - toughen up!".
The problem is that they are paying all this attention to "abuse" via the internet when they should be paying attention to the shit that goes on right in front of their own eyes in their own schools where kids are supposed to be receiving an academic education in safety. Teachers don't give a fuck and will (and always have) looked the other way as kids outright beat the fuck out of other students in many-on-one incidents in their own class rooms. Or in the hallways. I saw this shit happen all the time when I was in school. I even tried to step in a few times, but because I was a jock (outside of school; not through school provided activities), I usually put a swift end to things. And then *I* was the one in trouble. So I learned that helping someone even out the odds was a risky thing to do.
I can't even imagine how some of the kids I went to school with made it through all twelve years. Since I left earlier and began my career early, I didn't see how they turned out. For all I know, some of them may have dropped out because they couldn't take coming to school for the incessant daily abuse with the unspoken permissiveness of the administration that was paid to take care of them. Perhaps some of them killed themselves. Who knows?
Either way, the answer is to stop treating it like it's a "right of passage" *AND* to stop focusing on the fucking online bullshit. If they're "attacking" each other after school in person or online, they're doing far worse in the hallways and classrooms and nobody is stepping in to do shit about it.
And yeah, I'm all for weeding out the trouble makers early on. If you don't want to be in school, then fuck off. Let the kids who want to be there receive an uninterrupted education. The world always has plenty of demand for fry cooks and ditch diggers.
I think it has less to do with her than it does the shitty two-dimensional roles she's been given. Not to mention, The Cape was a moronic concept that didn't need her help to fall on its face.
That said, I've never understood the fanfare over her "acting". She may be a brilliant actress, but none of us would know it from Firefly. I don't playing a nearly catatonic girl who almost never talks or has any meaningful interaction with anyone is particularly challenging. It didn't even necessarily demand "I Am Sam" level of acting.
If you can play the guitar, you can get laid from all the easy chicks out there who swoon over every moron who can strum three chords together and whisper-sing some bullshit. When you've got that going for you, who the fuck cares about playing a real guitar to score gems or points or whatever the fuck you get in a stupid video game?
Stupid people victim of their own stupidity. SHOCK.
When I was 17, I was skipping school and sleeping with older married women. Kids like this make me feel like a waste of a human being.