I really think that we don't know that God could Kick Zeus's ass. Zues has all kinds of gods to come help his ass out if he gets in too thick with Yahweh. Plus, shit. Zues ate father time. He could do it to God too. That somebitch has a hellish apetite.
Sex is when you should be tossing all that paranoid shit out the window and have a little fun for once. Bring your keyboard along and give your partner a couple of bacteria-laden whaps with it, better than a whip any day.
Oh god, good intentions my ass and bad implementation...well of course. While all the politicos have been campaigning that taxes are the root of all evil and that there will be no more (some on one side of our two party system more than others), they have been scheming for ways to tax online technologies for over a decade. Let online members of society become more saavy. That coupled with some technology solutions is the only way.
I have been forced into the c# world and VS.Net. After applying thier damned patches my development environment is all screwed up (links to web projects). I want to kill, see dead burnt bodies...kill.
I think this is also a very american discussion. While we argue about how much the users in the first-world countries can take in terms of change and brain power to use new and "more interesting" interfaces other areas of the world are readily adopting linux (look) Of course this may be more evangelism from the preachers but could it be that first worlders eventually fall behind as other people adopt and use cheaper, virus free (for now), possibly better tools? Another issue is that we all know that what really sells stuff to people is not quality or versatility but marketing. Linux has no centralized organization (that I know of) to market desktop use. I do not see RedHat or SuSe putting the cash up to do this effectively.
I work at a Navy base where we use lots of open source products. Many of the developers use and contribute back to the projects they use and this is encouraged. We even maintain seperate cvs branches to support this since many of the applications we use cannot be donated in the state that we use them for security and other reasons. There are lots of instances of this as well as lots of instances where things like oracle are used in overkill situations. Where Govt agencies have many programmers with an academic edge to them they use and donate quite a bit of OSS. Where there are not many then they throw money at commercial solutions like maaaaaaad
Do you have to choose the same solution for both portals? No, both projects are independant
Do both portals need to consume the same set of services? ditto
Do these services already exist? In some cases yes,in others no. This is one of tha main points. I should be able to write a generic class to render content to the portal engine and then spend the rest of my time enabling the services.
Are portlet standards an issue (sun vs. oasis)? Standards are a big issue and should be regardless, if I wish to continue work on either site. I tend to not want to go the sun standards route.
Platform considerations? Linux in both cases.
What's the usage going to be like? Heavy for one, mild for the other...if I could just get clients to coordinate.
One thing to think about is that the front end of a portal could be like a newspaper front page or an intranet's main resources smooshed together, whatever fits the need the most, but to the developer, it is an architecture. One that allows writing small classes or scripts or programs to provide it's share of content to the end result. I don't really care if a user see's something as a portal or not, I care about my definition of a portal as an architecture for rendering content from a variety of resources. Of course, there are many websites and intranets that do this, but most not with an abstracted layer that does all the rendering to the client.
That is correct, jetspeed does not do content management but there are other jakarta packages that do (is it Lucene? I forget) and then you just have to write the portal that uses it.
Unfortunately, I was on the mapi-l email list (had to do some outlook work a while back) and the whole list has errupted, convincing me that it is high time to get off the list. At any rate the hope seems to be that the immediate fix is only the political patch and a more comprehensive patch that will allow admins and developers more security control is in the near future. The patch as it is reflected in the MS site will stop all executable type files from being opened without regard to user/administrator preferences - som much for fun.
I see more and more US companies hiring students as interns or for lower than normal wages and giving them fairly major projects. I am a student and many of my student collegues have the same story. They aren't just writing snibblets but putting whole applications together and not getting paid standard wages. I think smaller comapnies are getting more savvy as to how to cut IT developement costs, especially in web developement where things are always changing and fastpaced anyhow.
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I really think that we don't know that God could Kick Zeus's ass. Zues has all kinds of gods to come help his ass out if he gets in too thick with Yahweh. Plus, shit. Zues ate father time. He could do it to God too. That somebitch has a hellish apetite.
Sex is when you should be tossing all that paranoid shit out the window and have a little fun for once. Bring your keyboard along and give your partner a couple of bacteria-laden whaps with it, better than a whip any day.
Oh god, good intentions my ass and bad implementation...well of course. While all the politicos have been campaigning that taxes are the root of all evil and that there will be no more (some on one side of our two party system more than others), they have been scheming for ways to tax online technologies for over a decade. Let online members of society become more saavy. That coupled with some technology solutions is the only way.
I have been forced into the c# world and VS.Net. After applying thier damned patches my development environment is all screwed up (links to web projects). I want to kill, see dead burnt bodies...kill.
I think this is also a very american discussion. While we argue about how much the users in the first-world countries can take in terms of change and brain power to use new and "more interesting" interfaces other areas of the world are readily adopting linux (look)
Of course this may be more evangelism from the preachers but could it be that first worlders eventually fall behind as other people adopt and use cheaper, virus free (for now), possibly better tools?
Another issue is that we all know that what really sells stuff to people is not quality or versatility but marketing. Linux has no centralized organization (that I know of) to market desktop use. I do not see RedHat or SuSe putting the cash up to do this effectively.
A good condom is all that will protect you from the martians. Make it a trojan.
I work at a Navy base where we use lots of open source products. Many of the developers use and contribute back to the projects they use and this is encouraged. We even maintain seperate cvs branches to support this since many of the applications we use cannot be donated in the state that we use them for security and other reasons. There are lots of instances of this as well as lots of instances where things like oracle are used in overkill situations. Where Govt agencies have many programmers with an academic edge to them they use and donate quite a bit of OSS. Where there are not many then they throw money at commercial solutions like maaaaaaad
OK so all this about a states rights to charge taxes is muddy you'all've proven that. So why then shouldn't the feds charge an internet sales tax?
Do you have to choose the same solution for both portals?
No, both projects are independant
Do both portals need to consume the same set of services?
ditto
Do these services already exist?
In some cases yes,in others no. This is one of tha main points. I should be able to write a generic class to render content to the portal engine and then spend the rest of my time enabling the services.
Are portlet standards an issue (sun vs. oasis)? Standards are a big issue and should be regardless, if I wish to continue work on either site. I tend to not want to go the sun standards route.
Platform considerations?
Linux in both cases.
What's the usage going to be like?
Heavy for one, mild for the other...if I could just get clients to coordinate.
Aargh fip...scrum flop. Should have been Commercial vs Open Source portals.....need more juicy brains....
One thing to think about is that the front end of a portal could be like a newspaper front page or an intranet's main resources smooshed together, whatever fits the need the most, but to the developer, it is an architecture. One that allows writing small classes or scripts or programs to provide it's share of content to the end result. I don't really care if a user see's something as a portal or not, I care about my definition of a portal as an architecture for rendering content from a variety of resources. Of course, there are many websites and intranets that do this, but most not with an abstracted layer that does all the rendering to the client.
That is correct, jetspeed does not do content management but there are other jakarta packages that do (is it Lucene? I forget) and then you just have to write the portal that uses it.
Unfortunately, I was on the mapi-l email list (had to do some outlook work a while back) and the whole list has errupted, convincing me that it is high time to get off the list. At any rate the hope seems to be that the immediate fix is only the political patch and a more comprehensive patch that will allow admins and developers more security control is in the near future. The patch as it is reflected in the MS site will stop all executable type files from being opened without regard to user/administrator preferences - som much for fun.
I see more and more US companies hiring students as interns or for lower than normal wages and giving them fairly major projects. I am a student and many of my student collegues have the same story. They aren't just writing snibblets but putting whole applications together and not getting paid standard wages. I think smaller comapnies are getting more savvy as to how to cut IT developement costs, especially in web developement where things are always changing and fastpaced anyhow.