"Whatever the circumstances, the end result is that the product and community looks bad because of the lack of professionalism from even just a single individual."
NO, something that it appears you are far too stupid to understand, the INDIVIDUAL looks bad in cases such as this, not "the product and community".
You're an idiot, so I wouldn't expect you to understand the subtle nuances.
Please stopa acting like you getting yelled at has ANY bearing on OSS of KOffice. No one cares about you getting yelled at, and anyone who reads the thread sees you behaved like an imbecile.
So, where's YOUR mea culpa for being a twit? Right.
Do us all a favor and cancel your account here, you disgusting piece of trash. YOU make open source look bad by portraying it's users as a bunch of spineless loudmouth crybabies.
In short, you deserved to get yelled at, and no it wasn't unprofessional. MY OPINION IS JUST AS VALID AS YOURS when it comes to professionalism, so save you'r "You must not work in a..." crap. Professionalism has many faces, your opinion of what it is IS NOT THE ONLY VALID DEFINITION OF WHAT IT IS.
"What this guy is complaining about is the fact that he expects consumer level software to come with the same quality of proffessional level"
That's not how I read it.
To me, it seemed that he wants software that requires a license to meet a certain standard of reliability.
In exchange for agreeing to the license, you get some assurance that the software is reliable.
"To the rest of the world, it's nothing but words; in recent years the US administration has told the rest of the world where to go on everything from environmental damage to invading whole countries"
And yet the "rest of the world" (which is such a ridiculously over the top generalization) still has relations with the US.
So I guess they disagree, but don't have the principles to actually DO anything about it. Yeah, I want those people in charge.
What I would like from you right now, as a reasonable counterpoint, is a list of all the charitable organizations the US supports, including a breakdown of donations. How many people are alive because of the US?
Then of course there's the freedom of the European continent, which can be directly attributed to the Soviet Union and... THE US!!!.
It is EXTRAORDINARILY disingenuous to list the things you did in a vacuum. I don't think you're sophisticated enough to understand international politics though, so I guess it makes sense.
Don't let your pathetic, petty jealousy color your reasoning. It's embarrassing to watch.
"When it comes to University educatiom, I got mine form the school ranked 68th in the world and way ahead on the majority of USA universities."
Well if your spelling, grammer, logic, and reasoning are any indication, that school is vastly overrated.
Now of course you will respond with "Engrish is mie sucond langage" to which I will respond
THEN DON'T BE SO F-ING SMUG ABOUT YOUR EDUCATION. If you plan to make the point that you have a better education, that should carry over to ALL of your education. There are plenty of people who speak english as a second languge, and their grammar and spelling are near perfect.
"Oh, and it's not 'your' internet. Internet should belong to everybody, which is pretty much the point I'm trying to make by stating it shouldn't be managed by the USA."
WHY? And don't respond with "Because they should". If you do, I'll respond with "No they shouldn't"
Why take something that is working, and put it in the hands of an organization with an abysmal track record of success?
As far as giving them the hardware, you're a fool. The US has perfectly legitimate reasons for not paying dues (not that they're right, just that they have vlaid points). Your failure to even KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT illustrates why your opinion shouldn't be considered.
Really, inform yourself before you talk about what "should" happen, you'll avoid looking like a buffoon.
"# I fail to undestand why creating something gives you the right to manage it 30 years later when that thing clearly went out of control (Internet is, clearly, out of control, refer to RIAA issues for more informations) and when it's got not much to do with the original. Or maybe only Austrians should be allowed to use E=MC^2 ?"
Your failure to understand is your fault, and shouldn't be used as an argument here. "Educate yourself more completely" would be my answer to you.
"I don't see _arguments_ from the US reps. to keep this control. "We think that's unacceptable.". That's your right, dude. But, duh, why do you think that, just so we know?"
Because the UN is a bastion of inefficiency and corruption. They consistently screw up simple things through incompetence, lack of will, or political infighting. Cry all you want, the UN is FAR worse than the US in these areas.
"Some people here say "UN is useless, kthxlala~". Well, if powerful countries refuse to give any use, power or anything to the UN, it will stay, indeed, pretty useless."
This is the stupidest point I've ever seen. The usefulness of the UN is directly proportional to WHAT THE UN DOES, nothing more. They have a budget, they have resources, they HAVE POWER. Claiming otherwise is a gross display of ignorance.
"Their decisions would have to be approved by the UN assembly,"
And if the almighty "UN assembly" fails to come to an agreement (which is pretty much Standard Operating Procedure)?
You have by far the most ill-informed view of the UN I have ever seen.
"- The one nation in history using nuclear weapons on civilians."
You know, there's nothing I like more than a troll who applies his perspective 60 YEARS after something happened in a pathetic attempt to smear a country he is jealous of.
As to this idiotic point of yours, if the Japanese genuinely wanted to avoid being bombed, they could have chosen not to START THE F(*KING WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Explain again how defending yourself from an agresson is wrong, so I can use your points against you when you start ranting about the US in Iraq.
"- The nation that is currently engaging in an illegal war in Iraq, started under false pretenses, that has already killed tensofthousands."
The war's not illegal and you know it. Sad how you rail about "false pretenses" then lie right in your post.
Why? Because you're so unfailingly ignorant that you can't go to "howstuffworks.com" to find out about something you don't understand?
You can't name ANYTHING technology related that I don't have an understanding of. And EVEN IF YOU COULD, I would research it to gain understanding.
Not everyone in the world chooses to remain stupid like you. Some of us seek to do away with our ignorance.
Perhaps if you spent less time insulting others when they know more than you, and more time actually learning, your petty insecurities wouldn't rule your life.
"Also when you say you know "how ALL of {your) technology works" you're probably talking out your ass anyway, since you probably can't fix your own TV set, or grind the valves in your car, or make asphalt from scratch, or... Nobody knows how ALL their technology works these days."
Well, knowing HOW it works isn't the same as being able to fix it. That being said, I know how all of the things you listed work, and am able to do two of them (grinding valve in my brother the engine builders workshop, making asphalt with my dad the general contractor).
"Handing them a notebook that they might not be able to use because they can't read the symbols on the screen is stupid."
Right. And claiming that listening to someone say something is as good as seeing it done, seeing a diagram of how it was done, and having a copy of plans for how to do it, is also monumentally stupid. And diagrams can be language independent.
As far as the phone thing goes, HA! It's hilarious that you advocate replacing a vastly more useful device with one that is far less useful, and only marginally cheaper.
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One nitpick, which actually, completely demolishes your ill-concieved point.
Video games are interactive, books are not. Whether one is worse than another is debatable, but since they are CLEARLY DIFFERENT your point that
"If one thinks we should ban violent media to protect children, then we should ban the bible"
is completely wrong, as they are not the same.
Otherwise a nice post though.
"Whatever the circumstances, the end result is that the product and community looks bad because of the lack of professionalism from even just a single individual."
NO, something that it appears you are far too stupid to understand, the INDIVIDUAL looks bad in cases such as this, not "the product and community".
You're an idiot, so I wouldn't expect you to understand the subtle nuances.
Please stopa acting like you getting yelled at has ANY bearing on OSS of KOffice. No one cares about you getting yelled at, and anyone who reads the thread sees you behaved like an imbecile.
So, where's YOUR mea culpa for being a twit? Right.
Do us all a favor and cancel your account here, you disgusting piece of trash. YOU make open source look bad by portraying it's users as a bunch of spineless loudmouth crybabies.
In short, you deserved to get yelled at, and no it wasn't unprofessional. MY OPINION IS JUST AS VALID AS YOURS when it comes to professionalism, so save you'r "You must not work in a..." crap. Professionalism has many faces, your opinion of what it is IS NOT THE ONLY VALID DEFINITION OF WHAT IT IS.
SHUT UP NOW.
Shut up you fucking crybaby.
I read the whole thread, and you desrved to be talked down to.
I'll let you in on a little secret...
PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO BE NICE TO BE PROFESSIONAL.
God you're a pathetic whiner.
repeat after me C-O-P-Y-R-I-G-H-T trademark is completely different, copyright can be selectively enforced
The finger
Link anybody?
Seriously.
No, Seriously.
"This "study" referenced in the TFA is so poisonously misleading I barely know where to begin."
"What's especially nauseating about this"
You know, hypocrisy is awesome, especially when it is someone elses.
"You're getting software for free. Don't bitch about indemnity in the license."
I would consider licensing away some of my rights a cost.
So, I guess you're completely wrong.
"What this guy is complaining about is the fact that he expects consumer level software to come with the same quality of proffessional level" That's not how I read it. To me, it seemed that he wants software that requires a license to meet a certain standard of reliability. In exchange for agreeing to the license, you get some assurance that the software is reliable.
I guess you missed my point.
If a group of countries claims superiority of principle, how can they be taken seriously when they fail to act on those principles.
"Why take something that is working, and put it in the hands of an organization with an abysmal track record of success?"
Did you miss that part? It's no wonder you're so ignorant, you don't even notice when someone "posts real arguments".
As far as sources LOOK IT UP YOURSELF, I'M NOT YOUR MOTHER.
Honestly, if you're damned lazy to use google, you're not worth debating with.
"To the rest of the world, it's nothing but words; in recent years the US administration has told the rest of the world where to go on everything from environmental damage to invading whole countries"
And yet the "rest of the world" (which is such a ridiculously over the top generalization) still has relations with the US.
So I guess they disagree, but don't have the principles to actually DO anything about it. Yeah, I want those people in charge.
"The US is just not that special."
What I would like from you right now, as a reasonable counterpoint, is a list of all the charitable organizations the US supports, including a breakdown of donations. How many people are alive because of the US?
Then of course there's the freedom of the European continent, which can be directly attributed to the Soviet Union and... THE US!!!.
It is EXTRAORDINARILY disingenuous to list the things you did in a vacuum. I don't think you're sophisticated enough to understand international politics though, so I guess it makes sense.
Don't let your pathetic, petty jealousy color your reasoning. It's embarrassing to watch.
"When it comes to University educatiom, I got mine form the school ranked 68th in the world and way ahead on the majority of USA universities."
Well if your spelling, grammer, logic, and reasoning are any indication, that school is vastly overrated.
Now of course you will respond with "Engrish is mie sucond langage" to which I will respond
THEN DON'T BE SO F-ING SMUG ABOUT YOUR EDUCATION. If you plan to make the point that you have a better education, that should carry over to ALL of your education. There are plenty of people who speak english as a second languge, and their grammar and spelling are near perfect.
"Oh, and it's not 'your' internet. Internet should belong to everybody, which is pretty much the point I'm trying to make by stating it shouldn't be managed by the USA."
WHY? And don't respond with "Because they should". If you do, I'll respond with "No they shouldn't"
Why take something that is working, and put it in the hands of an organization with an abysmal track record of success?
As far as giving them the hardware, you're a fool. The US has perfectly legitimate reasons for not paying dues (not that they're right, just that they have vlaid points). Your failure to even KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT illustrates why your opinion shouldn't be considered.
Really, inform yourself before you talk about what "should" happen, you'll avoid looking like a buffoon.
"# I fail to undestand why creating something gives you the right to manage it 30 years later when that thing clearly went out of control (Internet is, clearly, out of control, refer to RIAA issues for more informations) and when it's got not much to do with the original. Or maybe only Austrians should be allowed to use E=MC^2 ?"
Your failure to understand is your fault, and shouldn't be used as an argument here. "Educate yourself more completely" would be my answer to you.
"I don't see _arguments_ from the US reps. to keep this control. "We think that's unacceptable.". That's your right, dude. But, duh, why do you think that, just so we know?"
Because the UN is a bastion of inefficiency and corruption. They consistently screw up simple things through incompetence, lack of will, or political infighting. Cry all you want, the UN is FAR worse than the US in these areas.
"Some people here say "UN is useless, kthxlala~". Well, if powerful countries refuse to give any use, power or anything to the UN, it will stay, indeed, pretty useless."
This is the stupidest point I've ever seen. The usefulness of the UN is directly proportional to WHAT THE UN DOES, nothing more. They have a budget, they have resources, they HAVE POWER. Claiming otherwise is a gross display of ignorance.
"Their decisions would have to be approved by the UN assembly,"
And if the almighty "UN assembly" fails to come to an agreement (which is pretty much Standard Operating Procedure)?
You have by far the most ill-informed view of the UN I have ever seen.
"- The one nation in history using nuclear weapons on civilians."
You know, there's nothing I like more than a troll who applies his perspective 60 YEARS after something happened in a pathetic attempt to smear a country he is jealous of.
As to this idiotic point of yours, if the Japanese genuinely wanted to avoid being bombed, they could have chosen not to START THE F(*KING WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Explain again how defending yourself from an agresson is wrong, so I can use your points against you when you start ranting about the US in Iraq.
"- The nation that is currently engaging in an illegal war in Iraq, started under false pretenses, that has already killed tensofthousands."
The war's not illegal and you know it. Sad how you rail about "false pretenses" then lie right in your post.
Work on your trolling technique, it's pathetic.
"Many countries, particularly developing ones, have become increasingly concerned about the U.S. control"
You could always roll your own, or invest in Google and wait for them to sart one of their own (as is the going rumor).
What you can't do is whine about it. Not when there are viable options that don;t require moving mountains to implement.
"But with nothing left but ignorant people around you, which of them will know what you're good for?"
The ones who need their crap fixed when it breaks.
Funny that YOU ever thought anyone else was ignorant...
"Maybe because both those programs go directly to the American people?"
I've never seen a dime from either program. I don't ever expect to.
So, you're wrong, they go to SOME of the American people. But then again, so do government contracts for war supplies.
So now that I've made you look ridiculous and ignorant, care to try again, so I can have a bit more fun?
"You are also a pretentious jackass."
Why? Because you're so unfailingly ignorant that you can't go to "howstuffworks.com" to find out about something you don't understand?
You can't name ANYTHING technology related that I don't have an understanding of. And EVEN IF YOU COULD, I would research it to gain understanding.
Not everyone in the world chooses to remain stupid like you. Some of us seek to do away with our ignorance.
Perhaps if you spent less time insulting others when they know more than you, and more time actually learning, your petty insecurities wouldn't rule your life.
"Also when you say you know "how ALL of {your) technology works" you're probably talking out your ass anyway, since you probably can't fix your own TV set, or grind the valves in your car, or make asphalt from scratch, or... Nobody knows how ALL their technology works these days."
Well, knowing HOW it works isn't the same as being able to fix it. That being said, I know how all of the things you listed work, and am able to do two of them (grinding valve in my brother the engine builders workshop, making asphalt with my dad the general contractor).
Why be such a jerk about it?
"Handing them a notebook that they might not be able to use because they can't read the symbols on the screen is stupid."
Right. And claiming that listening to someone say something is as good as seeing it done, seeing a diagram of how it was done, and having a copy of plans for how to do it, is also monumentally stupid. And diagrams can be language independent.
As far as the phone thing goes, HA! It's hilarious that you advocate replacing a vastly more useful device with one that is far less useful, and only marginally cheaper.
"In 2000, Bill Gates put a damper on the Digital Divide conference in Seattle with a similar message"
Um, exactly how far did you expect to get by telling people they're wrong, then telling them you agree with BILL GATES?
"Ah, the views of the ignorant"
Nice of you to give us the summary of your post first.