When this list started, it was a "CyberStalking" mailing list. It was not an admin list. I got myself unsubscribed for various reasons. If it has turned into an admin list, this is very bad business.
I should also note that there are many non-admins on that list. There are many very negative individuals, and I saw a lot of attacking of Jimbo, who was trying to sort out the cyber-stalking issues, which I should note are real and pretty serious.
This is one of the reasons I created the Administrators' noticeboard: to allow people to coordinate administration in an open and transparent manner. I always expressed concerns about the Wikipedia admins IRC channel, though it turns out this has been pretty benign. I still frown on closed list: it really goes against the spirit of Wikipedia.
I'm surprised that Snyder ignored a crucial argument in the PDF: that Microsoft supports their products for a lot longer than Firefox. He didn't rebut that point, which was actually pretty reasonable. I'd be interested to see what he has to say about that. In this regard, Microsoft seems far ahead of Mozilla.
I agree, there is no problem with frequent customers getting extra services. However, there is a problem with a company providing poorer service for those who are only occasional customers than their frequent customers. In other words, it's good to have a frequent flyer lounge for some customers and not others, but it isn't right for occasional customers to be put on a later plane than what they purchased a ticket for in order for a frequent customer who bought a ticket for a later plane but who turns up early and would like an earlier flight.
Uh, obviously my solution doesn't look work if the server is down. Then again, it wasn't trying to solve that particular problem. My solution was to prevent people from being taken to disguised attack sites. I think that should be reasonably obvious, if you read what I wrote.
Not really. Asynchronously look up TinyURL. If it doesn't load after a timeout, report that TinyURL is down. The browser will figure this out anyway once they click on the link, and while the tooltip is loading they can continue their normal business.
Dunno about memory leaks, but I know that all versions of Internet Explorer barfs on any page that has over about 200KB of text, while Firefox loads it incrementally and without freezing.
Pity kids can no longer get chemistry sets. How many genius chemists are we going to lose due to that again? Still, at least they can see the disease they might have cured. I suppose that is something.
I think people are forgetting about printed computer magazines - e.g. Linux Journal, APC, etc. They have a restricted column magazine format, and they often use TinyURLs when publishing links.
The Google Pagerank should take that into account. It would hardly be a difficult task for Google software engineers to tweak the software to lookup the tiny URL to find out what the link actually is.
I agree, to an extent. However, bloggers aren't exactly known for thoroughly checking out sources or even having a full grasp of the issue. The ability to sue for defamation or libel doesn't help the person who is killed from wrongful vigilantism due to being "outed" incorrectly. Nor does it help someone who is accused of something terrible - often mud sticks and will negatively affect that individuals life. That's why papers are cautious about printing certain details. There are often terrible consequences for getting things wrong.
A number of Wikipedia users were "outed" by the website Perverted Justice (PEEJ). Not one of the users was what they said it was, and it named a few users (including myself) as supporters of child molesters. Eventually, PEEJ retracted the statements, but only very reluctantly.
The problems here are that:
a. What happens when the bloggers get it wrong? Let's say they accidentally type in the neighbour's address. Some poor bastard who had nothing do with the issue gets targeted. b. The bloggers are by and large anonymous also. It's sheer hypocrisy for them to hide behind a blog pseudonym and publish someone else's details. c. There is a reason we don't have martial law. Vigilantism is never a good move, mistakes are made, it bypasses due process and the right to a fair trial, innocent people are hurt. That's why Western democracies have the legal system they do: sure, it ain't perfect, but I'd rather us have a legal system that let uninformed bloggers pass judgement and mete out punishment.
True, your last sentence makes a lot of sense. Obviously nobody would write a word processor in assembly:-) Though with Brainfuck - I did say "capable"!
However, in this case, the language wasn't inappropriate. It's pretty clear that the coders just didn't use standard profiling tools to determine where the problem was. That's not really a problem with the language, that's a problem with a bug in their code.
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When this list started, it was a "CyberStalking" mailing list. It was not an admin list. I got myself unsubscribed for various reasons. If it has turned into an admin list, this is very bad business.
I should also note that there are many non-admins on that list. There are many very negative individuals, and I saw a lot of attacking of Jimbo, who was trying to sort out the cyber-stalking issues, which I should note are real and pretty serious.
This is one of the reasons I created the Administrators' noticeboard: to allow people to coordinate administration in an open and transparent manner. I always expressed concerns about the Wikipedia admins IRC channel, though it turns out this has been pretty benign. I still frown on closed list: it really goes against the spirit of Wikipedia.
What, the support companies are still patching Firefox 0.9 code?
I'm surprised that Snyder ignored a crucial argument in the PDF: that Microsoft supports their products for a lot longer than Firefox. He didn't rebut that point, which was actually pretty reasonable. I'd be interested to see what he has to say about that. In this regard, Microsoft seems far ahead of Mozilla.
Patenting bad service? Sorry, bad service is prior art. I don't think that you'd have to go far to find that...
I agree, there is no problem with frequent customers getting extra services. However, there is a problem with a company providing poorer service for those who are only occasional customers than their frequent customers. In other words, it's good to have a frequent flyer lounge for some customers and not others, but it isn't right for occasional customers to be put on a later plane than what they purchased a ticket for in order for a frequent customer who bought a ticket for a later plane but who turns up early and would like an earlier flight.
Because it is funny, not insightful.
Please, Amazon, waste your money on this patent. In the meantime, I'll seek alternative shopping arrangements.
Uh, obviously my solution doesn't look work if the server is down. Then again, it wasn't trying to solve that particular problem. My solution was to prevent people from being taken to disguised attack sites. I think that should be reasonably obvious, if you read what I wrote.
Not really. Asynchronously look up TinyURL. If it doesn't load after a timeout, report that TinyURL is down. The browser will figure this out anyway once they click on the link, and while the tooltip is loading they can continue their normal business.
Dunno about memory leaks, but I know that all versions of Internet Explorer barfs on any page that has over about 200KB of text, while Firefox loads it incrementally and without freezing.
Just build the possibility of tinyURL being down in the plugin.
... they can do the same to the overbloated and tremendously slow OpenOffice.org.
Dan Rather no longer works for CBS. Bad example.
Pity kids can no longer get chemistry sets. How many genius chemists are we going to lose due to that again? Still, at least they can see the disease they might have cured. I suppose that is something.
Books. They also don't need to be recharged every 30 hours. Also have a great tactile navigation method. I call it "turning the page".
I think people are forgetting about printed computer magazines - e.g. Linux Journal, APC, etc. They have a restricted column magazine format, and they often use TinyURLs when publishing links.
The Google Pagerank should take that into account. It would hardly be a difficult task for Google software engineers to tweak the software to lookup the tiny URL to find out what the link actually is.
Oh for goodness sake. I can't believe I did it again. Using a Wikipedia sig to end a slashdot post. Gotta get off that wikicrack.
A Firefox plugin that recognises a TinyURL (etc) and then uses a popup to identify in a tooltip the actual URL and title of the webpage. - ~~~~
I agree, to an extent. However, bloggers aren't exactly known for thoroughly checking out sources or even having a full grasp of the issue. The ability to sue for defamation or libel doesn't help the person who is killed from wrongful vigilantism due to being "outed" incorrectly. Nor does it help someone who is accused of something terrible - often mud sticks and will negatively affect that individuals life. That's why papers are cautious about printing certain details. There are often terrible consequences for getting things wrong.
Oops. That last "that" should be a "than". One little letter... totally changes what I meant. Doh!
A number of Wikipedia users were "outed" by the website Perverted Justice (PEEJ). Not one of the users was what they said it was, and it named a few users (including myself) as supporters of child molesters. Eventually, PEEJ retracted the statements, but only very reluctantly.
The problems here are that:
a. What happens when the bloggers get it wrong? Let's say they accidentally type in the neighbour's address. Some poor bastard who had nothing do with the issue gets targeted.
b. The bloggers are by and large anonymous also. It's sheer hypocrisy for them to hide behind a blog pseudonym and publish someone else's details.
c. There is a reason we don't have martial law. Vigilantism is never a good move, mistakes are made, it bypasses due process and the right to a fair trial, innocent people are hurt. That's why Western democracies have the legal system they do: sure, it ain't perfect, but I'd rather us have a legal system that let uninformed bloggers pass judgement and mete out punishment.
... oh happy day!
This has happened to me on Windows XP, but it never stopped me from working. Which is the point the guy is trying to make.
True, your last sentence makes a lot of sense. Obviously nobody would write a word processor in assembly :-) Though with Brainfuck - I did say "capable"!
However, in this case, the language wasn't inappropriate. It's pretty clear that the coders just didn't use standard profiling tools to determine where the problem was. That's not really a problem with the language, that's a problem with a bug in their code.