I've been seen more and more violence in the kids lately. I was a teenager and we did stupid things, but almost all were not harmfull, or really destructive. Most of the bbs's were pirate boards anyway, and we wanted more leach time. Stealing from the thief mentallity I guess.
But we never tried to shut down the phone company computer for the fun of it.
I don't remember anyone in my high school brining guns in. there probably was a gun or two, but no one ever shot anyone else. There are schools now with security and metal detectors...I think the level of "bad" has went out of control. And I don't think its going to get any better.
Why are there so many young kids being so destructive? I remember when the "big" hackers of the 80's were quite polite with thier abuse of other computers. But why are these kids so violent?
My opinion is that thier parents never taught them respect or to value anything. I don't think they even concider the effect their DOS attacks can cause to other people besides just the one they are attacking. An attack on a web site that is being hosted with others effects all the sites hosted there.
What I'd like to know is why the programmers creating these scripts don't keep them to themselves...
The preemptive multitasking? The memory protection? The MP support
Um, I do believe that these were made possible and partially (if not totally) by the cpu advances. Memory protection was a by product of the way the cpu changed.
I do believe that we have to keep Microsoft in order
And how is this supposed to happen? Even while in court for charges of abuse of monopoly power they are not even slowing down in their practice of screwing everyone they wish.
Bill once said he didn't want to sell us most of our software...he wants to sell us 100% of the software we use. Being a programmer I do take that a bit personally. And after using some of the M$ products (M$ SQL server for one) I've found them slow and not that good. Anyone actually try and use any of the visual studio products? I have, and from what I see they don't want anyone to do anything creative or "inovative" with them. They really suck bad. So while Bill convinces the morons that he has everything they need and we should all trust him, he f*cks us all.
If M$ won't slow down while in court you are not going to control them by regulation.
bastardizing standards that are worldwide accepted is wrong
So how do you stop it? Splitting them up would take the bastardizing out of the OS and put it in the programs...hmmm, not as effective anymore. IE could no longer be an "integerated" part of winblows or upgrade have the api's in the os. Can you imagine quality testing of new programs for winblows? The list of possiblilities is so great I said to hell with it years ago. I just deal with the problems as they come along. Splitting them up is the only way to even start to have any effect on them.
I make my $$$$ off winblows, but it doesn't mean I have to worship at bill's feet.....
My one time experience with AOHell back many long years ago, started with me having 10 messages 2 hours after creating the account. All spam. I agree there are allot of morons on AOL but after about 3 days of pure spam most should have gotten the idea.
Well, when you have control of the email accounts on a domain you can use my solution. I have at a minimum 2 active "junk" accounts. I use them to put into sites that require email and I'm unsure of their intent. Once one of the accounts starts collecting spam...I delete it. Create a new one. So far this has worked pretty good.
The nice thing about linux is the wide selection of most everything. Desktops, utilities, ect. But because of the wide selection of libraries how does a game company decied which ones to use?
The concept of building one program off another programs code is great, but then someone has to have both to run one, and the correct version level. I am not against choice, but if there is to be a greater movement towards linux and games some solid standards have to be created.
If all the distributions could have a commen set of core libs and maybe decide on an installation system that would be a start. I don't think installing in linux is open heart surgury, but it has on many occasions for me been a pain.
I wonder if the people who make install shield has conciderd making a installer for linux?...
I think the problems involved in bootable games is too much for most game programmers.
First you must concider all the possible os's that could be installed...so support for ext2, fat, fat32, ntfs, and others all must be supported unless you can save all the data to floppy. That by itself might be breachable, but then there is the video card section. Without a flexible system for drivers you must support everything, and with a cd there isn't allot of ways of fixing a bug in a video driver for your game. Then the multiple sound cards...same issues as the video. Then you have to take into concideration the hardware, cpu (though not a big deal you would definitly want to take advantage of mmx or 3dnow) Different chip sets support udma/33/66 and all the speed that can be squeezed out would be wanted.
Though I would love to see cdrom bootable games on my pc, the best you will get anytime soon is a game console. (My Playstation works quite well)
You would think that something as common to all databases would have hit someone at the pattent office. But since they seem to be clueless about computers in general, anything can be pattented.
Maybe I could pattent a mouse click, or maybe http://, oh, and why not pattent slashdot? But slashdot would be a trademark I guess.
With the comming of IPV6, and the ammount of ip addresses it will have I think there will be a time when everyone will end up having their ip as a form of id. Information will be drowned by the inumerable adds comming over every electronic appliance and ligh pole in the world.
Everything will be tracked and logged, and reasearched so you can see the adds that will most likely appeal to you. Of course this will not take into light the fact that after you have gotten past the 100th add you really won't be interested in any of them.
I really expect that the internet will split into two levels, the geek level and the user level. Where the geeks build their own bellow the adds way of doing what they wish. Filters and redirects to remove the adds and confuse the tracking. Then there will be the aol people who go through life hearing about some new product every other minute, with all kinds of anoying instant adds poping up.
All this is just speculation, but with adds going into everything including napster, I think it will be very annoying.
Another thought is the fact that with linux clusters becoming more common it doesn't take as long to break the encryption. With a very powerfull cluster the encryption becomes a minor anoyance, to the average hacker its a bit harder.
So the way I see it is governments and large companies will not be as concerned encryption because they will be the only ones who can break it quickly.
Although there is some drawbacks to this, for most of us it will allow use of encryption to protect our things and not seem guilty doing so. Since the US tends to think anyone wanting to use encryption has something to hide. If encryption becomes more widespread and used by more people then it will be more common for normal people to use it even when they don't have a real need to.
I don't see why someone in the middle east (for example) shouldn't be able to send something to someone else in another country without it being read by others.
I think that regardless of the reason, haveing a more open allowance of encryption will be good for everyone.
Since my cd collection is a bit large I don't need Napster that much. Like allot of good people if I like something I will support it by purchasing the cd. Of course the problem is that for every few good people you have hundreds of not so good (bad) people who have no intention of buying anything.
All the people who are pirating the music through Napster are the problem. Thats what makes the record co's and musicians angry.
No point in getting too upset over it, Napster is great. But many of its users are not. Since there is always someone out to ruin and exploit anything (lawyers, polititians, ect), Napster will fall.
I find it amazing that we can have new laws which protect big business and screw the rest of us, and no one takes the creaters of those biased laws to court.
I think the point you are missing here is that in your example there is money being made of the text written.
M$ isn't charging for this text, hence they are not loosing money. Since it was made available on the net "trade secret" shouldn't hold any water either. So if they want to take it to court how much damages can M$ claim they lost?
Since it was making nothing, and it was being handed out to anyone....not a thing.
The most I see is a court ordering it off the site.
ok, lets use your example But stealing from my car when the window is open or stealing by breaking the window is still stealing
But lets make add the part you forgot.
But stealing from my stolen car when the window is open or stealing by breaking the window is still stealing. Regardless of the fact that after I stole it I repainted it and added a fin to the trunk. That made it mine!
Get real, I can't see how M$ can copywrite something they stole to begin with.
Allegations are all well and good, but without proof they aren't worth anything
That sounds so good, but I think most of us know that this is not true. The innocent are run over by the rich (ie, M$) all the time. I know from personal experience the leagal system is badly flawed.
So, does the C++ builder tool only make it's "own" version of C++ code?
Actually, for the winblows version it has its own extenstions that add functionallity not in standard C++. All of them are prefixed with 2 underscore characters. All of these extensions are built into C++ builder libraries, which all but the Standard versions, have the sorce code. The license is probably restricting the release of the sorce of thier libraries only.
Being a long time user of borland's products (lately Delphi) I know that the normal terms of the license apply only to borland libraries.
Just for an example if I were to write a delphi app I can distribut all my sorce code and an exe, but not the sorce code to libraries that come with delphi.
Borland has one of the easiest to understand (that I know of) commercial licenses. I can install it on as many machines as I want as long as only one copy of it is running at a time. Which means I can use it at work and home and both copies are leagal as long as no one uses it at the office while I'm using it at home.
So unless something drastic has changed at borland, I am betting that restriction only applies to the borland included code. So if you write an app in C++ Builder you can distribute your code but someone would need a copy of C++ Builder to compile it properly to have all the libraries.
This is just my experience with borland and thier products, I could very well be wrong
Since I'm not a Lawyer I can't say leagaly what you should do. But as regular reader of/. I know that I would hate to think you backed down from M$. If/. can't afford to fight them, that I could understand. But, if you can fight them do it.
I know that if you just comply with M$ then I for one will loose quite a bit of respect for this site. Also if you back down now, what else will M$ start demanding be removed? The thoughts of a M$ moderated/. is a very depressing thought.
I've been reading through all the messages and one thing confused me after checking the length a pattent is good for. Now I would think the people in the pattent office lack any real great intellegence when it comes to computers, just look at all the pattents they pass through. But realisticly, what good is a computer pattent 20 years from now? If the pattent is inteded to help a company make some $$ off their invention before its mass produced by everyone, then a computer related pattent is basicly getting a monopoly on that concept.
I would think 2 years is long time in terms of computer development.
Basicly if this pattent were to hold then M$ would have exclusives on remote/automated updating for 20 years?
It goes: Ethernet (or other networking hardware) TCP IP Software
The reasoning for TCP being in the kernal is that most networks are using TCP. TCP (Transmission Control Protocal) controls the traffic to the ethernet divice. It handles packet loss and other functionallity to get the information in and out of the ethernet device. The IP is the link between TCP and software (and I'm not positive of its inclusion in the kernal). The Internet Protocol Controls the routing of the pacets from the TCP layer to the correct software applications, ie Web Browser which then parses the HTML/XML.
This is a bit general, but I don't have the need to go into the depths of TCP/IP every day.
Slashdot Mirror
I've been seen more and more violence in the kids lately. I was a teenager and we did stupid things, but almost all were not harmfull, or really destructive. Most of the bbs's were pirate boards anyway, and we wanted more leach time. Stealing from the thief mentallity I guess.
But we never tried to shut down the phone company computer for the fun of it.
I don't remember anyone in my high school brining guns in. there probably was a gun or two, but no one ever shot anyone else. There are schools now with security and metal detectors...I think the level of "bad" has went out of control. And I don't think its going to get any better.
Why are there so many young kids being so destructive? I remember when the "big" hackers of the 80's were quite polite with thier abuse of other computers. But why are these kids so violent?
My opinion is that thier parents never taught them respect or to value anything. I don't think they even concider the effect their DOS attacks can cause to other people besides just the one they are attacking. An attack on a web site that is being hosted with others effects all the sites hosted there.
What I'd like to know is why the programmers creating these scripts don't keep them to themselves...
The preemptive multitasking? The memory protection? The MP support
Um, I do believe that these were made possible and partially (if not totally) by the cpu advances. Memory protection was a by product of the way the cpu changed.
I do believe that we have to keep Microsoft in order
And how is this supposed to happen? Even while in court for charges of abuse of monopoly power they are not even slowing down in their practice of screwing everyone they wish.
Bill once said he didn't want to sell us most of our software...he wants to sell us 100% of the software we use. Being a programmer I do take that a bit personally. And after using some of the M$ products (M$ SQL server for one) I've found them slow and not that good. Anyone actually try and use any of the visual studio products? I have, and from what I see they don't want anyone to do anything creative or "inovative" with them. They really suck bad. So while Bill convinces the morons that he has everything they need and we should all trust him, he f*cks us all.
If M$ won't slow down while in court you are not going to control them by regulation.
bastardizing standards that are worldwide accepted is wrong
So how do you stop it? Splitting them up would take the bastardizing out of the OS and put it in the programs...hmmm, not as effective anymore. IE could no longer be an "integerated" part of winblows or upgrade have the api's in the os. Can you imagine quality testing of new programs for winblows? The list of possiblilities is so great I said to hell with it years ago. I just deal with the problems as they come along. Splitting them up is the only way to even start to have any effect on them.
I make my $$$$ off winblows, but it doesn't mean I have to worship at bill's feet.....
You forgot:
"We are innovators and have done nothing wrong.
And as far as kerbose goes we came up with the idea anyway."
Business only the spammers like. I say if this guy goes to jail, maybe others will start prosecuting spammers.
Eventually there could be no more spam!!!
Ok, not likely, but it was a nice though.
My one time experience with AOHell back many long years ago, started with me having 10 messages 2 hours after creating the account. All spam. I agree there are allot of morons on AOL but after about 3 days of pure spam most should have gotten the idea.
Well, when you have control of the email accounts on a domain you can use my solution. I have at a minimum 2 active "junk" accounts. I use them to put into sites that require email and I'm unsure of their intent. Once one of the accounts starts collecting spam...I delete it. Create a new one. So far this has worked pretty good.
Hmm, this smells similar to something M$ would try. Kerbos maybe...hehe.
Maybe they should target the winblows side, the people on that side are more gullible.
Not that I'm an expert or anything. Just found the thought similar...
The nice thing about linux is the wide selection of most everything. Desktops, utilities, ect. But because of the wide selection of libraries how does a game company decied which ones to use?
The concept of building one program off another programs code is great, but then someone has to have both to run one, and the correct version level. I am not against choice, but if there is to be a greater movement towards linux and games some solid standards have to be created.
If all the distributions could have a commen set of core libs and maybe decide on an installation system that would be a start. I don't think installing in linux is open heart surgury, but it has on many occasions for me been a pain.
I wonder if the people who make install shield has conciderd making a installer for linux?...
I think the problems involved in bootable games is too much for most game programmers.
First you must concider all the possible os's that could be installed...so support for ext2, fat, fat32, ntfs, and others all must be supported unless you can save all the data to floppy. That by itself might be breachable, but then there is the video card section. Without a flexible system for drivers you must support everything, and with a cd there isn't allot of ways of fixing a bug in a video driver for your game. Then the multiple sound cards...same issues as the video. Then you have to take into concideration the hardware, cpu (though not a big deal you would definitly want to take advantage of mmx or 3dnow) Different chip sets support udma/33/66 and all the speed that can be squeezed out would be wanted.
Though I would love to see cdrom bootable games on my pc, the best you will get anytime soon is a game console. (My Playstation works quite well)
You would think that something as common to all databases would have hit someone at the pattent office. But since they seem to be clueless about computers in general, anything can be pattented.
Maybe I could pattent a mouse click, or maybe http://, oh, and why not pattent slashdot? But slashdot would be a trademark I guess.
All in all, this has went way beyond stupid.
With the comming of IPV6, and the ammount of ip addresses it will have I think there will be a time when everyone will end up having their ip as a form of id. Information will be drowned by the inumerable adds comming over every electronic appliance and ligh pole in the world.
Everything will be tracked and logged, and reasearched so you can see the adds that will most likely appeal to you. Of course this will not take into light the fact that after you have gotten past the 100th add you really won't be interested in any of them.
I really expect that the internet will split into two levels, the geek level and the user level. Where the geeks build their own bellow the adds way of doing what they wish. Filters and redirects to remove the adds and confuse the tracking. Then there will be the aol people who go through life hearing about some new product every other minute, with all kinds of anoying instant adds poping up.
All this is just speculation, but with adds going into everything including napster, I think it will be very annoying.
I think one of the big reasons for not using old style cheaper ram is the heat and power issues.
Most chips produce some heat, the more you have the more heat you will have. 8,000 1meg chips would definitely raise the temp up a good bit.
Then the power, although each chip doens't require allot, 8k of them would...
Its a cool Idea but I have enough problems with heat now.
Another thought is the fact that with linux clusters becoming more common it doesn't take as long to break the encryption. With a very powerfull cluster the encryption becomes a minor anoyance, to the average hacker its a bit harder.
So the way I see it is governments and large companies will not be as concerned encryption because they will be the only ones who can break it quickly.
Although there is some drawbacks to this, for most of us it will allow use of encryption to protect our things and not seem guilty doing so. Since the US tends to think anyone wanting to use encryption has something to hide. If encryption becomes more widespread and used by more people then it will be more common for normal people to use it even when they don't have a real need to.
I don't see why someone in the middle east (for example) shouldn't be able to send something to someone else in another country without it being read by others.
I think that regardless of the reason, haveing a more open allowance of encryption will be good for everyone.
Since my cd collection is a bit large I don't need Napster that much. Like allot of good people if I like something I will support it by purchasing the cd. Of course the problem is that for every few good people you have hundreds of not so good (bad) people who have no intention of buying anything.
All the people who are pirating the music through Napster are the problem. Thats what makes the record co's and musicians angry.
No point in getting too upset over it, Napster is great. But many of its users are not. Since there is always someone out to ruin and exploit anything (lawyers, polititians, ect), Napster will fall.
I find it amazing that we can have new laws which protect big business and screw the rest of us, and no one takes the creaters of those biased laws to court.
I think the point you are missing here is that in your example there is money being made of the text written.
M$ isn't charging for this text, hence they are not loosing money. Since it was made available on the net "trade secret" shouldn't hold any water either. So if they want to take it to court how much damages can M$ claim they lost?
Since it was making nothing, and it was being handed out to anyone....not a thing.
The most I see is a court ordering it off the site.
ok, lets use your example
But stealing from my car when the window is open or stealing by breaking the window is still stealing
But lets make add the part you forgot.
But stealing from my stolen car when the window is open or stealing by breaking the window is still stealing. Regardless of the fact that after I stole it I repainted it and added a fin to the trunk. That made it mine!
Get real, I can't see how M$ can copywrite something they stole to begin with.
So tell me, how much do you make working for M$?
Allegations are all well and good, but without proof they aren't worth anything
That sounds so good, but I think most of us know that this is not true. The innocent are run over by the rich (ie, M$) all the time. I know from personal experience the leagal system is badly flawed.
In this instance, I don't think M$ has a chance.
send them an email with a .vbs file
/. would care/know how to write one? I program in winblows (Delphi) and I've never written one.
Your assuming that anyone working for
Kylix is comming though.
So, does the C++ builder tool only make it's "own" version of C++ code?
Actually, for the winblows version it has its own extenstions that add functionallity not in standard C++. All of them are prefixed with 2 underscore characters. All of these extensions are built into C++ builder libraries, which all but the Standard versions, have the sorce code. The license is probably restricting the release of the sorce of thier libraries only.
Being a long time user of borland's products (lately Delphi) I know that the normal terms of the license apply only to borland libraries.
Just for an example if I were to write a delphi app I can distribut all my sorce code and an exe, but not the sorce code to libraries that come with delphi.
Borland has one of the easiest to understand (that I know of) commercial licenses. I can install it on as many machines as I want as long as only one copy of it is running at a time. Which means I can use it at work and home and both copies are leagal as long as no one uses it at the office while I'm using it at home.
So unless something drastic has changed at borland, I am betting that restriction only applies to the borland included code. So if you write an app in C++ Builder you can distribute your code but someone would need a copy of C++ Builder to compile it properly to have all the libraries.
This is just my experience with borland and thier products, I could very well be wrong
Since I'm not a Lawyer I can't say leagaly what you should do. But as regular reader of /. I know that I would hate to think you backed down from M$. If /. can't afford to fight them, that I could understand. But, if you can fight them do it.
/. is a very depressing thought.
I know that if you just comply with M$ then I for one will loose quite a bit of respect for this site. Also if you back down now, what else will M$ start demanding be removed? The thoughts of a M$ moderated
I've been reading through all the messages and one thing confused me after checking the length a pattent is good for. Now I would think the people in the pattent office lack any real great intellegence when it comes to computers, just look at all the pattents they pass through. But realisticly, what good is a computer pattent 20 years from now? If the pattent is inteded to help a company make some $$ off their invention before its mass produced by everyone, then a computer related pattent is basicly getting a monopoly on that concept.
I would think 2 years is long time in terms of computer development.
Basicly if this pattent were to hold then M$ would have exclusives on remote/automated updating for 20 years?
I feel there is a serious flaw in this system.
It goes:
Ethernet (or other networking hardware)
TCP
IP
Software
The reasoning for TCP being in the kernal is that most networks are using TCP. TCP (Transmission Control Protocal) controls the traffic to the ethernet divice. It handles packet loss and other functionallity to get the information in and out of the ethernet device. The IP is the link between TCP and software (and I'm not positive of its inclusion in the kernal). The Internet Protocol Controls the routing of the pacets from the TCP layer to the correct software applications, ie Web Browser which then parses the HTML/XML.
This is a bit general, but I don't have the need to go into the depths of TCP/IP every day.