Probably because it has never been left off their products. Delphi 5 has Borland in big letters and "inprise" in small little letters in the corner. I thought "Inprise" was dumn anyways.
I think that one of the points of a project like kylix (delphi) is the fact that the components used in it are not fixed. I could see that they could have a seperate set of components based on gtk+. If this is the case you could realistilcy create a program and easily change it from kde to gnome without allot of hassle. One of the major features of delphi was its ability to "hide" the underlying windows complexity and wrapp it so the programmer did not need to know the specifics to make a good program. Since this concept did not keep the programmer from doing specific programming to the underlying system it removed the limitations that could be run into with this type of system. Overall it has been a very good design.
only to keep MS from swiping anything cool from it
Actually M$ would probably love to have the compiler source code. Since the borland compiler pust their compiler to shame. I've played with vc++ and found it takes forever to compile. Very slow.
Opening Kylix sounds like a good idea, but to me it is worth the money to keep it developed and advancing. We would all like things to be free, but the team creating this tool I've been drooling for since hearing about it needs $$$. Although I am sure there are ways of making money off of open source products, borland isn't one of those.
Also I would be concerned for the overall compatablility of the product. I've been using delphi for 5 years now and love it. Kylix is something I've been looking foward to. I want to develop in linux but really don't have the time to learn all the lower level items in linux. I also am not the biggest C fan. (Note that I have nothing against C/C++, I just prefer pascal) This is a way for me and many other programmers to create more software for linux. Adding support for gnome is a good Idea and will be curious how they actually implement it.
Overall I see Kylix as a good thing for linux, whether I pay for it or not.
ok, well I guess I might get one. the learning curve isn't a problem. I suck at UT anyways...doesn't stop me from playing though. between the mouse and that who knows, I might get better.
Has anyone tried one of these with quake, unreal tournament, or one like these? I've been looking at them but would like to here of someone who has actually used it for some good fast action killing.
I was considering getting the claw since I get tiered of using the keyboard for things the game needs. It would be cool if it works with 1st person games too. I'm not willing to chunk $60 for something that might not fill my purpose.
Completely OT, this is thanks to the Reagan/Bush appointees on the US Supreme Court. I want to extend a hearty thank you to everyone who voted for the AWOL criminal who will add more of these folks to the Supreme Court. I want to extend an even more hearty thank you to all of you who voted for Nader, thereby making it very likely AWOL criminal will make Supreme Court appointments, especially if you live in Florida or New Hampshire.
So you are saying that I should have voted for gore, so I can have more goverment programs. Everyone seems to need a govt program according to gore. Since I have a job, pay my taxes (which by the was support all these govt programs), and don't ask for free handouts from the govt, I should have my own govt program? I should want more govt control telling me how I should shit, have sex, think?
Look at it this way, with bush we can have guns, and with guns we could have a revolution. With gore we can't have guns (they will become illegal) hence they are the supreme authority. What next gore for dictator?
This happens to be about the BSA, not the republicans or the democrats. And I'll vote for whomever I like because at least that is a right I currently still do have.
The add they have been running here is that they are blanked auditing everyone. there has to be something illegall about that. Thats like saying you are all pirates and we know you are pirating software so we will check everyone.
But we will give you a month to check all your stuff before the black boots come kicking in your door.
I didn't know that the govt appointed bsa to an official agency with the powers to stomp on the constitution and rights of companies and people.
But what do I know, I'm just a programmer. And the fact that my company has recieved a letter...and all the m$ junk we have is legitimate.
It isn't that they didn't pay, Its the fact M$ thinks they might not have. I guess in the case of M$ everyone is guilty until proven innocent. I think that is a bit backwards for a country where you are supposed to be innocent first.
Why is everyone assuming they are guilty. They don't even know at the moment. So now they spend resources on this that they will not be compensated for. While we are assuming lets assume they are all legitimate, now they are out the cost of the it resources allocated to it and they have quite a few users who were less productive since they didn't get their new machines they needed. So M$ looses nothing and the City does. Thats wrong. The cost of using M$....
I don't work at the office...I work at a client site. And well, I don't condone the mass use of illegal mp3's...if you saw my boss's cd collection its not like he hasn't provided a couple paychecks for the music industry people. He has more cd's than I do...and I have a good 400. the only mp3's I have that are not leagal is live versions of stuff. I have not seen a cd out that has the music, don't know where they came from but I would buy the cd if it was availble.
we still have a month to do something. I have a feeling I'll be spending a bit of time at the office soon.
actually we have a legitamite copy of nt...and all the windows crap. there is no real basis for this desired search. Its a mass illegal software search at the expence of companies. I think that M$ should pay for all the time it is eating up that companies are going to have to pay for their it people dealing with them. If they are not pirating then let M$ bite the cost.
2 is my first choice. Get them off our backs for good. Because any further request could be veiwed as harrasment. We don't use your product so why are you bothering us again.
Although the thought of class action suit would be nice...get some of the massive $$$ M$ doesn't feel they are getting enough of.
Don't bet on it. M$ is going to hit every business in VA and MD. Why, to get more $$$, bully more people, flex their muscles and show us all how they are more powerfull than the govt.
well, as of this moment the office is dial up only.
And we are not the only company to get this. This is why we want to check for other smaller companies in the area and see if we cannot gang up on them.:)
From what I'm seeing they are doing a blanket check. They are hitting everyone they can find.
There is no reasonable suspicion, just a desire to get more $$$. Our company doesn't use pirated m$ software but they want to come search us. On what grounds?
So what if they company says "ok, we'll let you audit, at a rate of $500 an hour for as long as you are here. Bring an initial $10,000 for our time and trouble."?
If I am not mistaken even if a search warrent is obtained I don't believe that anyone but the police may enter the place. The person behind the warrent can only come in if allowed by the owner. So if the person owning the places says "ok officer, please come in, but the guys in the suits stay outside" then the officer tells them to stay outside and they can't come in.
This is still america and only the govt agency who get the warrent have a right to enter.
I could be wrong but I know its this way for smaller issues (personal experience)
Well, the M$ hit squad has already sent my company a letter wanting to come in and check our computers. This letter was followed by a letter from microsoft. I work for a small consulting company and all the programming, almost always, is done at the client site. So out of the couple machines and the laptop my boss uses there are not that many machines.
The thing that scares me most about this is that if we let them come in, which at the moment is the last option on the list. what else will they see? As far as windows goes the machines there were preloaded with winblows and are completely leagal, but what if they see the large mass of mp3's on the machines? Or what type of other info will they be looking for while they are there. I suspect they would look for employee and client information to make sure they don't miss anyone.
I guess all the leagal battles with the govt has cause bill to feel his profits are not as high as he wants and figures he can rake more money in this way.
Our options at this moment are:
1) have our lawyer send a "go screw yourself" letter to M$'s hit squad.
2) put linux on all the machines, and let them come in (this is my favorite)
3) see if we can find more companies in the area and start a class action suit against them.
I'm glad this hit/. since I'm very curious about what others people here think about it and what ideas you have. Maybe someone has some better leagal info on what can be done.
ok, lets reverse this, I didn't say he thinks he created it, the idea that he did was put out there and Gore has happily let it stand. He has done very little to clarify it and seems to like the thought that some people actually believe it.
My major point is that he thinks he is so intellegent and knows so much because he did so much that he doesn't need to listen to people who do know what they are talking about but make all decisions his way. I am scared to think what he will try and do to the internet and computer technology if he is in control.
Yes Bush doesn't know squat about the internet. And quite frankly, I'm very glad he doesn't. In this case ignorance on his part can be bliss on mine. the more the govt stays out of our lives the better off we will be.
Well, the way I understood it was christian meant christ like. Now I've been to many different churches where the religion varied greatly. I think we should just kill off religion and believe what we want, good bad, doesn't matter.
I think the point of the constitution was to allow people to believe what they want and not have a state religion like they were used to in UK back in the 1700's. If anything upsets me it is when people start expecting more rights than others because they are a minority. Why does every minority need its own special rights now?
Even though I will get flamed for this, I don't feel anyone out there should have special rights I don't have. Besides being a geek and a bit insane, I fall into the white male semi-normal catagory. Should you have rights I don't? if so why?
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Probably because it has never been left off their products. Delphi 5 has Borland in big letters and "inprise" in small little letters in the corner. I thought "Inprise" was dumn anyways.
I think that one of the points of a project like kylix (delphi) is the fact that the components used in it are not fixed. I could see that they could have a seperate set of components based on gtk+. If this is the case you could realistilcy create a program and easily change it from kde to gnome without allot of hassle. One of the major features of delphi was its ability to "hide" the underlying windows complexity and wrapp it so the programmer did not need to know the specifics to make a good program. Since this concept did not keep the programmer from doing specific programming to the underlying system it removed the limitations that could be run into with this type of system. Overall it has been a very good design.
only to keep MS from swiping anything cool from it
Actually M$ would probably love to have the compiler source code. Since the borland compiler pust their compiler to shame. I've played with vc++ and found it takes forever to compile. Very slow.
Opening Kylix sounds like a good idea, but to me it is worth the money to keep it developed and advancing. We would all like things to be free, but the team creating this tool I've been drooling for since hearing about it needs $$$. Although I am sure there are ways of making money off of open source products, borland isn't one of those.
Also I would be concerned for the overall compatablility of the product. I've been using delphi for 5 years now and love it. Kylix is something I've been looking foward to. I want to develop in linux but really don't have the time to learn all the lower level items in linux. I also am not the biggest C fan. (Note that I have nothing against C/C++, I just prefer pascal) This is a way for me and many other programmers to create more software for linux. Adding support for gnome is a good Idea and will be curious how they actually implement it.
Overall I see Kylix as a good thing for linux, whether I pay for it or not.
ok, well I guess I might get one. the learning curve isn't a problem. I suck at UT anyways...doesn't stop me from playing though. between the mouse and that who knows, I might get better.
Thanks
Has anyone tried one of these with quake, unreal tournament, or one like these? I've been looking at them but would like to here of someone who has actually used it for some good fast action killing.
I was considering getting the claw since I get tiered of using the keyboard for things the game needs. It would be cool if it works with 1st person games too. I'm not willing to chunk $60 for something that might not fill my purpose.
Completely OT, this is thanks to the Reagan/Bush appointees on the US Supreme Court. I want to extend a hearty thank you to everyone who voted for the AWOL criminal who will add more of these folks to the Supreme Court. I want to extend an even more hearty thank you to all of you who voted for Nader, thereby making it very likely AWOL criminal will make Supreme Court appointments, especially if you live in Florida or New Hampshire.
So you are saying that I should have voted for gore, so I can have more goverment programs. Everyone seems to need a govt program according to gore. Since I have a job, pay my taxes (which by the was support all these govt programs), and don't ask for free handouts from the govt, I should have my own govt program? I should want more govt control telling me how I should shit, have sex, think?
Look at it this way, with bush we can have guns, and with guns we could have a revolution. With gore we can't have guns (they will become illegal) hence they are the supreme authority. What next gore for dictator?
This happens to be about the BSA, not the republicans or the democrats. And I'll vote for whomever I like because at least that is a right I currently still do have.
wrong. My company has maybe 8 people, and there are only 3 computers in the office, all but the boss and the secretary work at client sites.
According to the comercials they are putting out here they are blanket searching everyone
The add they have been running here is that they are blanked auditing everyone. there has to be something illegall about that. Thats like saying you are all pirates and we know you are pirating software so we will check everyone.
But we will give you a month to check all your stuff before the black boots come kicking in your door.
I didn't know that the govt appointed bsa to an official agency with the powers to stomp on the constitution and rights of companies and people.
But what do I know, I'm just a programmer. And the fact that my company has recieved a letter...and all the m$ junk we have is legitimate.
But we didn'y agree at our cost...they wish to search...they should pay. Time is money.
My company has done nothing wrong....we don't pirate M$ stuff, but they have sent us thier "We demand to search" letters.
It will cost us time and money (loss of productive time) to let them search. That is if we let them. They are doing it to every businiss they can.
It isn't that they didn't pay, Its the fact M$ thinks they might not have. I guess in the case of M$ everyone is guilty until proven innocent. I think that is a bit backwards for a country where you are supposed to be innocent first.
Why is everyone assuming they are guilty. They don't even know at the moment. So now they spend resources on this that they will not be compensated for. While we are assuming lets assume they are all legitimate, now they are out the cost of the it resources allocated to it and they have quite a few users who were less productive since they didn't get their new machines they needed. So M$ looses nothing and the City does. Thats wrong. The cost of using M$....
I don't work at the office...I work at a client site. And well, I don't condone the mass use of illegal mp3's...if you saw my boss's cd collection its not like he hasn't provided a couple paychecks for the music industry people. He has more cd's than I do...and I have a good 400. the only mp3's I have that are not leagal is live versions of stuff. I have not seen a cd out that has the music, don't know where they came from but I would buy the cd if it was availble.
we still have a month to do something. I have a feeling I'll be spending a bit of time at the office soon.
actually we have a legitamite copy of nt...and all the windows crap. there is no real basis for this desired search. Its a mass illegal software search at the expence of companies. I think that M$ should pay for all the time it is eating up that companies are going to have to pay for their it people dealing with them. If they are not pirating then let M$ bite the cost.
2 is my first choice. Get them off our backs for good. Because any further request could be veiwed as harrasment. We don't use your product so why are you bothering us again.
Although the thought of class action suit would be nice...get some of the massive $$$ M$ doesn't feel they are getting enough of.
Don't bet on it. M$ is going to hit every business in VA and MD. Why, to get more $$$, bully more people, flex their muscles and show us all how they are more powerfull than the govt.
The word Monopoly comes to mind.
In my opinion time is money. They waste my time they should pay since during the audit nothing productive is being done.
well, as of this moment the office is dial up only.
:)
And we are not the only company to get this. This is why we want to check for other smaller companies in the area and see if we cannot gang up on them.
From what I'm seeing they are doing a blanket check. They are hitting everyone they can find.
There is no reasonable suspicion, just a desire to get more $$$. Our company doesn't use pirated m$ software but they want to come search us. On what grounds?
the point is is that we are not concerned with M$ stuff...its all leagal, have liceses, the machines are compaq and dell. Preinstalled.
the issue is the information on those machines, and the other things they will see. My boss found he really likes mp3's...and has quite a few
So what if they company says "ok, we'll let you audit, at a rate of $500 an hour for as long as you are here. Bring an initial $10,000 for our time and trouble."?
If I am not mistaken even if a search warrent is obtained I don't believe that anyone but the police may enter the place. The person behind the warrent can only come in if allowed by the owner. So if the person owning the places says "ok officer, please come in, but the guys in the suits stay outside" then the officer tells them to stay outside and they can't come in.
This is still america and only the govt agency who get the warrent have a right to enter.
I could be wrong but I know its this way for smaller issues (personal experience)
Well, the M$ hit squad has already sent my company a letter wanting to come in and check our computers. This letter was followed by a letter from microsoft. I work for a small consulting company and all the programming, almost always, is done at the client site. So out of the couple machines and the laptop my boss uses there are not that many machines.
/. since I'm very curious about what others people here think about it and what ideas you have. Maybe someone has some better leagal info on what can be done.
The thing that scares me most about this is that if we let them come in, which at the moment is the last option on the list. what else will they see? As far as windows goes the machines there were preloaded with winblows and are completely leagal, but what if they see the large mass of mp3's on the machines? Or what type of other info will they be looking for while they are there. I suspect they would look for employee and client information to make sure they don't miss anyone.
I guess all the leagal battles with the govt has cause bill to feel his profits are not as high as he wants and figures he can rake more money in this way.
Our options at this moment are:
1) have our lawyer send a "go screw yourself" letter to M$'s hit squad.
2) put linux on all the machines, and let them come in (this is my favorite)
3) see if we can find more companies in the area and start a class action suit against them.
I'm glad this hit
ok, lets reverse this, I didn't say he thinks he created it, the idea that he did was put out there and Gore has happily let it stand. He has done very little to clarify it and seems to like the thought that some people actually believe it.
My major point is that he thinks he is so intellegent and knows so much because he did so much that he doesn't need to listen to people who do know what they are talking about but make all decisions his way. I am scared to think what he will try and do to the internet and computer technology if he is in control.
Yes Bush doesn't know squat about the internet. And quite frankly, I'm very glad he doesn't. In this case ignorance on his part can be bliss on mine. the more the govt stays out of our lives the better off we will be.
Well, the way I understood it was christian meant christ like. Now I've been to many different churches where the religion varied greatly. I think we should just kill off religion and believe what we want, good bad, doesn't matter.
I think the point of the constitution was to allow people to believe what they want and not have a state religion like they were used to in UK back in the 1700's. If anything upsets me it is when people start expecting more rights than others because they are a minority. Why does every minority need its own special rights now?
Even though I will get flamed for this, I don't feel anyone out there should have special rights I don't have. Besides being a geek and a bit insane, I fall into the white male semi-normal catagory. Should you have rights I don't? if so why?