He WON'T include it by default in distro, BUT you can have a support if you want it - commercial of coarse. It WON'T be default wm, it WON'T be in, but it will be tested and prepeared for inclusion IN UserLinux if you would like to have it in.
Yeah, don't mentioning it that someone else who follows all this bullshit could be done by himself. Someone who wholeheartly hates SCO writes a virus - and now then everyone else here in./ and Linux/Free Software community is to blame?
Personally, I don't feel a guilt. And SCO PR was out of any usable ammo long time ago. I wish them/., DOSS as much it can. Why? Because it's not a normal legal game anymore. They're against us, against our freedom. Don't you get it? It's a war, not the peace talks anymore.
They want to protect their lifestyle, their point of view how to world must be done. They don't get a 'collabration', 'democracy', 'sharing'. They want to be the one.
...and I want to add - it easy that way - people let's say get from Internet last Britney Spears record, hears that it's total bs, and drops idea to buy it legally. And wipes out it from their hard disks. They can't make simply money anymore. They should start to do something what they never have done before - be creative! But they never thought about that, because all their lives were something else what mattered - media coverage, popularity, etc. But not the reason why you and I propably listen to music - soul of creativity and human being. And of coarse, anyone as big coorporation, who has grown unhealthy big, they are fighting with dispair to stay alive.
And there's hide fundamental problem of 'way of american business' - there's no friends in this life, only competitors. And that's very reason why Microsoft, RIAA and MPIAA will fall - they want to play the game 'all or nothing'. So, in the end, they will get 'nothing'.
I don't get your point. He is about STABILISING 2.4 kernel, NOT about adding new and new features to vanilla kernel and so causing maintaining 2.4 kernel difficult. It's stable now, so let's leave it alone. If you want use XFS with 2.4 kernel, do your patching and go. No one forbids you to do that.
And about a trust - I trust my Linux systems. Only because I run them by myself. Not because Linux development is somehow more superior that FreeBSD (or vice versa).
It's not double standard or whatever - simply many (NOT all) slashdot readers majority (I actually don't know) not simply use Linux or BSD or whatever open source, they love it, because it's flexible, free (in price means too if they don't need a support) and relatively MORE secure than Windows by default. As many people mentioned, Windows problem is that there are so many holes by default so I was very afraid to install Windows XP to one partition at home and then go with it in Internet for patches - I counted hours how fast I will get it done or otherwise scriptkiddies who certanly scanned actively that net will be the first. However, I have no such thoughts when I have installed brand new Linux box.
And ohh, by the way, it's simply can be a password compromise - which however is very hard to predict and prevent (ok, if you are installing a 20 symbol passwords on your servers and routers, then you could be a exception). I think it's time to use more of keys, hashes and that stuff.
And as you see, Bill Gates says that they are more secure than open source, then of coarse, everyone will laugh about them when it's proven otherwise. But you won't see Linus saying that Linux is bullet-proof. He will say that is reasonably secure.
I just guess it's because honesty is simply one of our (all open source society) unofficial principles and I think it's very good principle. I love it, however, such happenings like this breaks my hear a little bit. Ok, nevermind, I admit, I'm emotional:)
I think honesty ALWAYS has a payback, sooner or later. It's maybe sound absurd, but people trust you more, if you admit your mistakes, even worst ones.
In short, I agree, sendmail is something I don't want to deal with (security record and simply it's very old and clumsy, including configuration). I stick with Exim instead, which I find very superb and easy to use and extend.
...well, then you got a CD-ROM drive which is cheap and, propably because of that, unrelayable. Simply as that. I have never blamed software of damaging hardware, because, well, it shouldn't be possible THAT easy. And if it is - and SO easy as in this case - it's totally hardware maker's fault.
And just stop trolling. No one gonna stop adoptation of Linux because omg Mandrake release got bad publicity of large bunch of paches and fried CD-ROMs. Fried CD-ROMs will be replaced by vendors (because it's THEIR fault), users will choose Fedora, RedHat Enterprise, or Debian or Gentoo, if they have lost their trust to Mandrake.
It's our freedom to choose.
Not your freedom to follow.
I won't agree with you on this. It could be offtopic, but money is NOT what I work for (personally). I work to earn something I can exchange with food, music, tickets to cinema, etc. If I have it enough, I'm happy (and believe me, you don't need SO much). AND I believe that is target for us all in our lifes - be happy and make others happy.
So, when we return to this, if you got such problems that without IP there won't be many companies then I can say US economical politics are...well... very screwed up. Because sooner or later people will refuse to pay about mystic 'intelectual property' (and they already do so). It's just a way doing things - "we got a laws to get money for nothing and we are doing this. Aren't we good?"
So what you gonna do? Because someone wants to eat, drive with a Ferrari, and getting money for 'nothing' (aka stupid patent claims) I will have to pay to him? No way. Of coarse, I will pay
I agree on this that 'IP' is just copyrights/trademarks (some special kind of copyright, in my mind) and that's all. And we already have a very poolished copyright laws all over the world for artists, companies, etc. to extract revenue from their creations. Patents puts too much trust on human factor - and this factor usually screw everything up, because 'greed is rulling today's world'. I personally don't see much use of them in the software world. In real life creations - yes, but Patent Office must be something where you can't go simply with your broad claims about 'something'. You have to have very concrete details what do you really want to protect.
Oh, and of coarse - you have to PROVE that is your creation. I think this step is overall missed in Patent issues.
(sorry about my bad English sometimes - but it's improving with every atempt (even with stupid one;))
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NO!
He WON'T include it by default in distro, BUT you can have a support if you want it - commercial of coarse. It WON'T be default wm, it WON'T be in, but it will be tested and prepeared for inclusion IN UserLinux if you would like to have it in.
Got it?
Yeah, don't mentioning it that someone else who follows all this bullshit could be done by himself. Someone who wholeheartly hates SCO writes a virus - and now then everyone else here in ./ and Linux/Free Software community is to blame?
Personally, I don't feel a guilt. And SCO PR was out of any usable ammo long time ago. I wish them /., DOSS as much it can. Why? Because it's not a normal legal game anymore. They're against us, against our freedom. Don't you get it? It's a war, not the peace talks anymore.
They want to protect their lifestyle, their point of view how to world must be done. They don't get a 'collabration', 'democracy', 'sharing'. They want to be the one.
...and I want to add - it easy that way - people let's say get from Internet last Britney Spears record, hears that it's total bs, and drops idea to buy it legally. And wipes out it from their hard disks.
They can't make simply money anymore. They should start to do something what they never have done before - be creative! But they never thought about that, because all their lives were something else what mattered - media coverage, popularity, etc.
But not the reason why you and I propably listen to music - soul of creativity and human being.
And of coarse, anyone as big coorporation, who has grown unhealthy big, they are fighting with dispair to stay alive.
And there's hide fundamental problem of 'way of american business' - there's no friends in this life, only competitors. And that's very reason why Microsoft, RIAA and MPIAA will fall - they want to play the game 'all or nothing'. So, in the end, they will get 'nothing'.
I don't get your point. He is about STABILISING 2.4 kernel, NOT about adding new and new features to vanilla kernel and so causing maintaining 2.4 kernel difficult. It's stable now, so let's leave it alone. If you want use XFS with 2.4 kernel, do your patching and go. No one forbids you to do that. And about a trust - I trust my Linux systems. Only because I run them by myself. Not because Linux development is somehow more superior that FreeBSD (or vice versa).
It's not double standard or whatever - simply many (NOT all) slashdot readers majority (I actually don't know) not simply use Linux or BSD or whatever open source, they love it, because it's flexible, free (in price means too if they don't need a support) and relatively MORE secure than Windows by default. As many people mentioned, Windows problem is that there are so many holes by default so I was very afraid to install Windows XP to one partition at home and then go with it in Internet for patches - I counted hours how fast I will get it done or otherwise scriptkiddies who certanly scanned actively that net will be the first. However, I have no such thoughts when I have installed brand new Linux box. And ohh, by the way, it's simply can be a password compromise - which however is very hard to predict and prevent (ok, if you are installing a 20 symbol passwords on your servers and routers, then you could be a exception). I think it's time to use more of keys, hashes and that stuff. And as you see, Bill Gates says that they are more secure than open source, then of coarse, everyone will laugh about them when it's proven otherwise. But you won't see Linus saying that Linux is bullet-proof. He will say that is reasonably secure.
I just guess it's because honesty is simply one of our (all open source society) unofficial principles and I think it's very good principle. I love it, however, such happenings like this breaks my hear a little bit. Ok, nevermind, I admit, I'm emotional :)
I think honesty ALWAYS has a payback, sooner or later. It's maybe sound absurd, but people trust you more, if you admit your mistakes, even worst ones.
In short, I agree, sendmail is something I don't want to deal with (security record and simply it's very old and clumsy, including configuration). I stick with Exim instead, which I find very superb and easy to use and extend.
...well, then you got a CD-ROM drive which is cheap and, propably because of that, unrelayable. Simply as that. I have never blamed software of damaging hardware, because, well, it shouldn't be possible THAT easy. And if it is - and SO easy as in this case - it's totally hardware maker's fault.
And just stop trolling. No one gonna stop adoptation of Linux because omg Mandrake release got bad publicity of large bunch of paches and fried CD-ROMs. Fried CD-ROMs will be replaced by vendors (because it's THEIR fault), users will choose Fedora, RedHat Enterprise, or Debian or Gentoo, if they have lost their trust to Mandrake.
It's our freedom to choose.
Not your freedom to follow.
Money is makes this world go round. No one has been able to create a perfect Communist society. You know why? Because that's what most people want.
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...well... very screwed up. Because sooner or later people will refuse to pay about mystic 'intelectual property' (and they already do so). It's just a way doing things - "we got a laws to get money for nothing and we are doing this. Aren't we good?"
;))
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I won't agree with you on this. It could be offtopic, but money is NOT what I work for (personally). I work to earn something I can exchange with food, music, tickets to cinema, etc. If I have it enough, I'm happy (and believe me, you don't need SO much). AND I believe that is target for us all in our lifes - be happy and make others happy.
So, when we return to this, if you got such problems that without IP there won't be many companies then I can say US economical politics are
So what you gonna do? Because someone wants to eat, drive with a Ferrari, and getting money for 'nothing' (aka stupid patent claims) I will have to pay to him? No way. Of coarse, I will pay
I agree on this that 'IP' is just copyrights/trademarks (some special kind of copyright, in my mind) and that's all. And we already have a very poolished copyright laws all over the world for artists, companies, etc. to extract revenue from their creations. Patents puts too much trust on human factor - and this factor usually screw everything up, because 'greed is rulling today's world'. I personally don't see much use of them in the software world. In real life creations - yes, but Patent Office must be something where you can't go simply with your broad claims about 'something'. You have to have very concrete details what do you really want to protect.
Oh, and of coarse - you have to PROVE that is your creation. I think this step is overall missed in Patent issues.
(sorry about my bad English sometimes - but it's improving with every atempt (even with stupid one