Stupid argument. R&D is FOR making BETTER products. BETTER products ends with BETTER sales. How is that so hard so swallow? Yes, there WON'T be BILION income in such case, but there will be big income, certanly.
I repeat, R&D is for making your products better than competitor's ones, so it will result in bigger sales. Where's there patents stand?
It could be useful for investigation, but not for legal purposes - such think would be hard to prove and results could be very speculative. Also I think this brain cache's speed could be impacted by drugs, pressure of atmosphere, etc. such things.
GPL is a license, you agree with it's terms when you choose to use this code. And those principles are advertised all around the Internet. Actually it brings one sad point about all this licensing stuff - most business people don't give a shit about copyright, as long it doesn't cause a pain in the ass, they will steal. If that code would belong Microsoft, no one would touch it, not even talking about ignoring licensing terms.
Sad, the money is the only power now what scares them, not law.
But hey, let's hope that by such small steps we could learn the world respect the law again.
Linux Desktop will grow. No one ever have doubted about that, even Bill. If you are some overemotional anti-Linux or pro-Windows zealot, be ready to be proven wrong, in the scale of time.
Yes, there are interest. Yes, there are (small/medium business, enterprise) very cautious about such new thing, because it runs in new programming philosofy and it hasn't such nicknames, sorry, brands like Microsoft or Adobe behind it.
You get them demonstration. Set-up one box. It works for month, two. If it a migration, of coarse , there are several small quirks here and here, but they get solved. Then we set-up another box. Then another.
Of coarse, in enterprise it's bunch a boxes and then another one, and then whole department goes to Linux.
So it's growing. Sure, there are lot of problems to be solved. But they will be solved. No one doubts that Linux Desktop is and it will be to at least on 30% of workstations in the end.
But no one says that Linux should addapted by common user as it is now:) For example, When I get Mandrake, I get three discs, BEATIFUL, very simple installation, very easy desktop. The things JUST work. How it couldn't get any easier? Of coarse, bugs, bugs, bugs, but hey - it's getting in right way, isn't it?
I think problem with acceptence of Linux is some myths that: *) Linux if for geeks - I have shown my specially tweaked Debian distro (which I and my company uses to install on client desktop boxes) and I usually get some surprise screams - THAT'S LINUX!? They think it's something geekish, with console are large, green cursor with it. Yeah, it VERY BIG MYTH, nothing more.
*) that there's only one favor of Linux/BSD desktop - I included BSD because it could be tweaked and installed on common user desktop, too. People usually try something like Slackware and - doh, of coarse it's not for THEM!;) But they don't get that, unlike in Windows world, they are lot of favors they can choose from. I see it as Microsoft caused numbness, when it Windows world choice are very limited, and sometimes, nonexistant.
And final point - Linux for common user should be packaged and tweaked and supported by service providers (small and big ones, like my company or Novell,RedHat,Mandrake), as simple as that. No user should even care about install. Why? Because, as you said, they are simply ignorant about that. And that's good - because for most of us, computer is a tool, not chemistry laboratory. And they simply want to do their jobs.
How much US goverment and politics are on Microsoft and other big corps money. It is not democracy anymore, officially.
And no, for Microsoft it is not a harsh fine. It is what it really deserved. Billy, world doesn't belong to you, remember it!
No, Windows have been 'successful' (or should I really say Microsoft?) due of other things, not usability or lack of choise.
Oh, wait, it wasn't something about bad monopoly pratices? It couldn't be those Billy guys who got their ass kicked from EU, could be?
No one will push you to use 'Novell's desktop'. You could still use pure GNOME or KDE. Altought I think some kind of integration between them SHOULD be made.
I won't call a 'Blue Curve' fiasco. It was based on usability tests and that theme really rocked. How successful was RedHat on marketing it, it is another story.
In fact, I agree with you. We should promote 'be safe and careful with Linux' about how to manage a VERY good security in Linux.
First law: follow the paches and bugtraq announcements, for Linux it isn't hard as it is for Windows
Second law: follow the good practices about security (no root from ssh shell, password policy
should be strict, etc.)
Third law: Never say never - breaks happens, get over with it (don't think you are invulnerable)....
And last: just don't be lazy, create some kind of system for alarms and security checks and lot of hazzle with all that will be gone.
But if we love conspiracy theories, it could be simply like that. We all know about that there really should be connection between Antivirus developers and virus writers. So, they got a serious headache about Linux coming to common user's desktop, as, if it's properly locked down by admin or service provider for that box, there's no need of any kind of antivirus in Linux (IF we are talking about desktop, mail servers which serving also Windows boxes is another story). So they see a danger for their market. What they should do? Do some bad PR for open source. How? Gnome will release 2.6 in Wendsday, 24th of March? I see. Let's hack some server. REMEMBER, everything could be broken, even properly set-up OpenBSD box. So some black hat get's paid and do his dirty job. For what? Just for PR stunt - in miracle, tomorrow every main IT news site will knew about GNOME release AND possible compromise.
In summary - guys, get ready for such events to happen. It's a fight, a battle. Even if it is simple hacker who wanted to be proud what he has done - so beat it, we must be more careful about security in future:) And if it is how I said so - be ready for anything, because those people doesn't want to change. They want their old market back.
I have to agree with parent. And actually read the article and don't see nothing that could cause more trobble than for example using Samba. And I think Novell and Ximian legals already are on reviewing Microsoft patents and how to deal with them. And Miguela's dreams about puting Mono under GNOME feet is known for almost 2 years. But I think it will end that GNOME just will have superior C, C++, Python, Perl AND Mono/C# bindings and everyone will benefit.
And I you just know open source - by time it will sort out everything, what will work, that will stay, what won't, that will go away. It's simple as that.
Many posts there as just trying to troll Ximian passion with Mono. Get a grip, read the article (!) and see that different opinions about programming is just our best side.
I don't see any reasons for a rant.
It is very easy. For all this, answer is one:
Microsoft IS monopoly, so there is how by law there should be dealing with monopoly when it abuses laws. It is simple as that.
GNOME and KDE will never be such monopoly. And no, competitors should be allowed to do everything. Because they don't own 90% of the desktop.
Problem is quite different - those companies who produces webcams are trying to make them cheaper and smaller - therefore there is need for special driver in OS side. As for Linux producting such software, while it is closed source, it's difficult and expensive.
Just buy such camera which is claimed to be work with Linux in internet databases - and problem will go away.
Mod this parent up! In pratice, it is really what is happening here!
SCO is going down, and trying to take someone with them. As usual in such situations.
It shouldn't be moderated funny, because it could be frigthenly true. MPAA un RIAA I think don't get it how ruthless Microsoft can be. I think in near future we will see Microsoft who will exceed all expectations in this front.
I just wanted to point out - use unstable/experimental and you will have newest apps, who will be (surprise, surprise!) faster than equal Mandrake or Redhat counterparts.
No one pushes you to use ONLY stable, which IS old.
...as RedHat NEVER actually cared about user expierence so much as Mandrake have all the time. Ok, for some time and still Mandrake Linux 9.2 initial release was too buggy, BUT things are improving, if we are talking about user interface side. Configuration tools and update system in Mandrake are clean and very well thought (don't talking about rpm depency here, only graphical interface). All things mentioned by reviewer also have made my life easer (don't looking to that I'm advanced Linux sysadmin). People starts to pick those things what Mandrake have envolved and extended for years. Good for them.
As I have left them as my favorite platform - using Debian now - but still, Galaxy as default theme for both KDE and GNOME rocks as their many configuration tools. And it has the best solution in Linux how to mount SMB share in GUI.
See, Red Hat is not so something generic as Windows. It is simply as that. And it's annoying as Microsoft actually IS a monopoly. So people are getting anoyed that they are claim that their trademark (aka "Windows" is become something that belongs to Microsoft. I'm really surprised how they got a trademark in first place.
I will trademark Mars, for example, now, wait...it isn't already taken?:)
For your information, as groklaw.net points out, SCO dropped contract claim and added copyright claim to case - as PJ mentions, IF judge will allow them to do that.
Yes, SCO still thinks that they own IBM code for all that stuff, it's rather strange. I guess that code nowhere contains their copyright. Oh, and there is still problem with Novell who says that copyrights are NOT transfered to SCO.
So in large case, IMHO it's already over now. At least for SCO.
I guess it's what most election systems in modern countries already do. So called unofficial data are transferred trough the Internet, official results are announced by board of elections later, when all paper trails are counted.
I anyway happy to see KDE team develop and tweaking their software. As I put my emotional and free time investiment in Gnome, I wish them luck too:)
And please people - don't flame each other. We have no so large user base. We have to coorporate, at least in some level, exchange ideas, etc. I like that fact that we can choose - KDE or GNOME.
Oh, yeah, you will say simple user don't care. No, some of them don't, but some of them really do. Some of them are much smarter than you think. And some of them really prefer KDE over GNOME, but some - vice versa.
It's daydreaming by Microsoft and Yahoo. IT WON'T WORK. NEVER.
Beter get your software fixed, damned. Release secure OS. Forbid 25 port by default from simple box and point to one box of the ISP who can relay then all mail to outside.
IT is possible to stop spam with these tools what we have now. There just must be a admins who do that. Yes, Microsoft, people CAN'T ADMINISTRATE their own boxes if they don't have enough expierence, period. Your dream about non-admin world with Microsoft Windows all over the place is gone. Forever.
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I would like to sway away all those trolls nay-sayers, and such things and would like to ask them one question - when Microsoft started to deliver to desktop what do you see now? Not so long time ago. And it's still unstable and unsecure. If someone is desktop king now - from visual and usability - it's Apple OS X.
I was doubtful three years ago but now I say for sure - Linux and Free Software has a future, and it is right here - in Gnome, in KDE, in OpenOffice.org, in all those new ideas, which pop-up instantly in mailing lists, forums, freedesktop.org, gnomedesktop.org. I like that creativity which grows and grows and seems to be unstoppable.
Linux is here to stay. Is also here to stay and be viable alternative for your desktop usage. Whatever you choose it or not, it's upon you. Because it is about the choice, not about pushing you to use it.
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Stupid argument. R&D is FOR making BETTER products. BETTER products ends with BETTER sales. How is that so hard so swallow? Yes, there WON'T be BILION income in such case, but there will be big income, certanly. I repeat, R&D is for making your products better than competitor's ones, so it will result in bigger sales. Where's there patents stand?
It could be useful for investigation, but not for legal purposes - such think would be hard to prove and results could be very speculative. Also I think this brain cache's speed could be impacted by drugs, pressure of atmosphere, etc. such things.
GPL is a license, you agree with it's terms when you choose to use this code. And those principles are advertised all around the Internet. Actually it brings one sad point about all this licensing stuff - most business people don't give a shit about copyright, as long it doesn't cause a pain in the ass, they will steal. If that code would belong Microsoft, no one would touch it, not even talking about ignoring licensing terms. Sad, the money is the only power now what scares them, not law. But hey, let's hope that by such small steps we could learn the world respect the law again.
Linux Desktop will grow. No one ever have doubted about that, even Bill. If you are some overemotional anti-Linux or pro-Windows zealot, be ready to be proven wrong, in the scale of time. Yes, there are interest. Yes, there are (small/medium business, enterprise) very cautious about such new thing, because it runs in new programming philosofy and it hasn't such nicknames, sorry, brands like Microsoft or Adobe behind it. You get them demonstration. Set-up one box. It works for month, two. If it a migration, of coarse , there are several small quirks here and here, but they get solved. Then we set-up another box. Then another. Of coarse, in enterprise it's bunch a boxes and then another one, and then whole department goes to Linux. So it's growing. Sure, there are lot of problems to be solved. But they will be solved. No one doubts that Linux Desktop is and it will be to at least on 30% of workstations in the end.
But no one says that Linux should addapted by common user as it is now :) For example, When I get Mandrake, I get three discs, BEATIFUL, very simple installation, very easy desktop. The things JUST work. How it couldn't get any easier? Of coarse, bugs, bugs, bugs, but hey - it's getting in right way, isn't it?
;) But they don't get that, unlike in Windows world, they are lot of favors they can choose from. I see it as Microsoft caused numbness, when it Windows world choice are very limited, and sometimes, nonexistant.
I think problem with acceptence of Linux is some myths that:
*) Linux if for geeks - I have shown my specially tweaked Debian distro (which I and my company uses to install on client desktop boxes) and I usually get some surprise screams - THAT'S LINUX!? They think it's something geekish, with console are large, green cursor with it. Yeah, it VERY BIG MYTH, nothing more.
*) that there's only one favor of Linux/BSD desktop - I included BSD because it could be tweaked and installed on common user desktop, too. People usually try something like Slackware and - doh, of coarse it's not for THEM!
And final point - Linux for common user should be packaged and tweaked and supported by service providers (small and big ones, like my company or Novell,RedHat,Mandrake), as simple as that. No user should even care about install. Why? Because, as you said, they are simply ignorant about that. And that's good - because for most of us, computer is a tool, not chemistry laboratory. And they simply want to do their jobs.
How much US goverment and politics are on Microsoft and other big corps money. It is not democracy anymore, officially. And no, for Microsoft it is not a harsh fine. It is what it really deserved. Billy, world doesn't belong to you, remember it!
No, Windows have been 'successful' (or should I really say Microsoft?) due of other things, not usability or lack of choise. Oh, wait, it wasn't something about bad monopoly pratices? It couldn't be those Billy guys who got their ass kicked from EU, could be?
No one will push you to use 'Novell's desktop'. You could still use pure GNOME or KDE. Altought I think some kind of integration between them SHOULD be made.
I won't call a 'Blue Curve' fiasco. It was based on usability tests and that theme really rocked. How successful was RedHat on marketing it, it is another story.
In fact, I agree with you. We should promote 'be safe and careful with Linux' about how to manage a VERY good security in Linux. First law: follow the paches and bugtraq announcements, for Linux it isn't hard as it is for Windows Second law: follow the good practices about security (no root from ssh shell, password policy should be strict, etc.) Third law: Never say never - breaks happens, get over with it (don't think you are invulnerable) ....
And last: just don't be lazy, create some kind of system for alarms and security checks and lot of hazzle with all that will be gone.
But if we love conspiracy theories, it could be simply like that. We all know about that there really should be connection between Antivirus developers and virus writers. So, they got a serious headache about Linux coming to common user's desktop, as, if it's properly locked down by admin or service provider for that box, there's no need of any kind of antivirus in Linux (IF we are talking about desktop, mail servers which serving also Windows boxes is another story).
:) And if it is how I said so - be ready for anything, because those people doesn't want to change. They want their old market back.
So they see a danger for their market. What they should do? Do some bad PR for open source. How? Gnome will release 2.6 in Wendsday, 24th of March? I see. Let's hack some server. REMEMBER, everything could be broken, even properly set-up OpenBSD box. So some black hat get's paid and do his dirty job. For what? Just for PR stunt - in miracle, tomorrow every main IT news site will knew about GNOME release AND possible compromise.
In summary - guys, get ready for such events to happen. It's a fight, a battle. Even if it is simple hacker who wanted to be proud what he has done - so beat it, we must be more careful about security in future
I have to agree with parent. And actually read the article and don't see nothing that could cause more trobble than for example using Samba. And I think Novell and Ximian legals already are on reviewing Microsoft patents and how to deal with them. And Miguela's dreams about puting Mono under GNOME feet is known for almost 2 years. But I think it will end that GNOME just will have superior C, C++, Python, Perl AND Mono/C# bindings and everyone will benefit. And I you just know open source - by time it will sort out everything, what will work, that will stay, what won't, that will go away. It's simple as that. Many posts there as just trying to troll Ximian passion with Mono. Get a grip, read the article (!) and see that different opinions about programming is just our best side. I don't see any reasons for a rant.
It is very easy. For all this, answer is one: Microsoft IS monopoly, so there is how by law there should be dealing with monopoly when it abuses laws. It is simple as that. GNOME and KDE will never be such monopoly. And no, competitors should be allowed to do everything. Because they don't own 90% of the desktop.
Problem is quite different - those companies who produces webcams are trying to make them cheaper and smaller - therefore there is need for special driver in OS side. As for Linux producting such software, while it is closed source, it's difficult and expensive. Just buy such camera which is claimed to be work with Linux in internet databases - and problem will go away.
Mod this parent up! In pratice, it is really what is happening here! SCO is going down, and trying to take someone with them. As usual in such situations.
It shouldn't be moderated funny, because it could be frigthenly true. MPAA un RIAA I think don't get it how ruthless Microsoft can be. I think in near future we will see Microsoft who will exceed all expectations in this front.
I just wanted to point out - use unstable/experimental and you will have newest apps, who will be (surprise, surprise!) faster than equal Mandrake or Redhat counterparts. No one pushes you to use ONLY stable, which IS old.
No, it won't, because SCO claimed that BSD is tainted too.
:)
Don't worry, borther in BSD, SCO is just our common enemy
...as RedHat NEVER actually cared about user expierence so much as Mandrake have all the time. Ok, for some time and still Mandrake Linux 9.2 initial release was too buggy, BUT things are improving, if we are talking about user interface side. Configuration tools and update system in Mandrake are clean and very well thought (don't talking about rpm depency here, only graphical interface). All things mentioned by reviewer also have made my life easer (don't looking to that I'm advanced Linux sysadmin). People starts to pick those things what Mandrake have envolved and extended for years. Good for them. As I have left them as my favorite platform - using Debian now - but still, Galaxy as default theme for both KDE and GNOME rocks as their many configuration tools. And it has the best solution in Linux how to mount SMB share in GUI.
See, Red Hat is not so something generic as Windows. It is simply as that. And it's annoying as Microsoft actually IS a monopoly. So people are getting anoyed that they are claim that their trademark (aka "Windows" is become something that belongs to Microsoft. I'm really surprised how they got a trademark in first place. I will trademark Mars, for example, now, wait...it isn't already taken? :)
For your information, as groklaw.net points out, SCO dropped contract claim and added copyright claim to case - as PJ mentions, IF judge will allow them to do that. Yes, SCO still thinks that they own IBM code for all that stuff, it's rather strange. I guess that code nowhere contains their copyright. Oh, and there is still problem with Novell who says that copyrights are NOT transfered to SCO. So in large case, IMHO it's already over now. At least for SCO.
I guess it's what most election systems in modern countries already do. So called unofficial data are transferred trough the Internet, official results are announced by board of elections later, when all paper trails are counted.
I anyway happy to see KDE team develop and tweaking their software. As I put my emotional and free time investiment in Gnome, I wish them luck too :)
And please people - don't flame each other. We have no so large user base. We have to coorporate, at least in some level, exchange ideas, etc. I like that fact that we can choose - KDE or GNOME.
Oh, yeah, you will say simple user don't care. No, some of them don't, but some of them really do. Some of them are much smarter than you think. And some of them really prefer KDE over GNOME, but some - vice versa.
It's daydreaming by Microsoft and Yahoo. IT WON'T WORK. NEVER.
Beter get your software fixed, damned. Release secure OS. Forbid 25 port by default from simple box and point to one box of the ISP who can relay then all mail to outside.
IT is possible to stop spam with these tools what we have now. There just must be a admins who do that. Yes, Microsoft, people CAN'T ADMINISTRATE their own boxes if they don't have enough expierence, period. Your dream about non-admin world with Microsoft Windows all over the place is gone. Forever.
I would like to sway away all those trolls nay-sayers, and such things and would like to ask them one question - when Microsoft started to deliver to desktop what do you see now? Not so long time ago. And it's still unstable and unsecure. If someone is desktop king now - from visual and usability - it's Apple OS X.
I was doubtful three years ago but now I say for sure - Linux and Free Software has a future, and it is right here - in Gnome, in KDE, in OpenOffice.org, in all those new ideas, which pop-up instantly in mailing lists, forums, freedesktop.org, gnomedesktop.org. I like that creativity which grows and grows and seems to be unstoppable.
Linux is here to stay. Is also here to stay and be viable alternative for your desktop usage. Whatever you choose it or not, it's upon you. Because it is about the choice, not about pushing you to use it.