These are good questions, but you miss the point. CCP continually says they want to be a PvP game and not an RP game. So maybe, Eve is misclassified and belongs in a classification like Pong or Wizard of Wor. Eve has a very small RP community that is so small as to be almost non-existent when compared to 120,000 subscribers and 20,000 plus online.
One wonders if all the detail and backstory should just be removed and it be handled like Unreal Tournament instead. You log in, pick your ship, and start shooting.
I at least love the skit, but what are we talking about - we're talking about SPAM! (Chorus: Spam Spam Spam Spam...)
"Spam" is a popular Monty Python sketch, first broadcast in 1970. In the sketch, two customers are trying to order a breakfast without SPAM from a menu that includes the processed meat product in every item. The term spam (in electronic communication) is derived from this sketch.
It features Terry Jones as The Waitress, Eric Idle as Mr Bun and Graham Chapman as Mrs Bun. The televised skit also featured John Cleese as The Hungarian, but this part was left out of audio recordings of the sketch.
Only two minutes long, it builds up into a semi-argument between the waitress who is offering Spam with everything, and Mrs Bun who does not want it. Not even the "Lobster Thermidor aux Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provençale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pâté, brandy and with a fried egg on top and Spam."
Waitress: (brightly) "Well, there's Spam, egg, sausage, and Spam, that's not got much Spam in it."
Mrs Bun: (exasperated) "I don't want any Spam!"
Mr Bun attempts to mollify his wife:
Mr Bun: "Don't make a fuss, dear. I'll have your Spam. I love it. I'm having Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, baked beans, Spam, Spam, and Spam."
Waitress: "Baked beans are off."
Mr Bun: (to Waitress) "Well, can I have Spam instead?"
Waitress: "You mean Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, and Spam?"
At several points, a group of Vikings in the cafe drown out all conversation by loudly singing a song about "Spam, lovely Spam, wonderful Spam." They are interrupted by the waitress many times, but they resume singing more and more loudly until at last the song reaches an operatic climax.
The sketch was the final sketch of the 25th show of Monty Python's Flying Circus, and was first aired December 15, 1970. Despite its shortness, the sketch became immensely popular. The word "Spam" is mentioned 94 times.
Oddly enough, the first two items mentioned from the menu do not contain spam, specifically "Egg and Bacon" and "Egg, Sausage, and Bacon."
Thanks - that helped. So for the majority of people who don't know reliable sources or feeds and cruise the internet indescriminately - this is just a way of making oneself have to wade through loads of *stuff*. I am sure most will somehow collect more SPAMMISH junk than they do now through poor content choices. I think I will just trust Slashdot and the Commander to gather important stuff for me to read and then wander the net. Sometimes though - I wish there were more/. polls dealing with hardware choices for Christmas or the cool tools to choose from like IPODs or even pros and cons of the Internet providers themselves. Heck, I guess an honest assessment of cell phone companies would be out of the question too. (No Replies Necessary - don't want flame - just think about it if you have stories to submit that would help a shopper out.)
You know I use to get hardly any SPAM in the old days. I had to go out of my way to find porn on the internet. Now, it is knocking at the door with enhancements I won't need for decades if ever. Somehow, I just know this is going to be exploited somehow.
Can anyone explain this in terms that a Windows user could understand? I am without caffeine this morning and this whole thing makes no sense in my fuzzy state.
Is this enhancement needed or just another offer?
I only use cable for internet access (40.00 US dollars) and the mandatory by law offer of basic channels for 9.95 (US dollars). This is mainly for a tv lifeline that is geared to retired folk on fixed incomes.
If I could get 7 channels for under 10 dollars of my choice, I might like this though...
Right now I get about 35 channels geared toward the mainstream. It is interesting to see how they live.
Your big words tire me mentally.
However, you give me hope that humanity has a future. If we ever meet ET - you talk first.
I definitely will never compete directly with your niche as I could never keep on track for such a mental distance.
Thanks for making the world a bit brighter by existing.
I bought this stuff at Home Depot that prevents dust buildup on ceiling fans by making the surface slick so the wind blows off the particles. Barring unexpected rain - I suppose handy windshield wipers and flipping the panels over every now and then would have to do on version 2.0 if they can't afford the slicker and the hammer to build the probe.
I think that they allow prisoners to learn computer skills. So the only real punishment would be to install Windows on their desktop. When I say Windows, I mean an early version cause XP is the boss. What will probably happen is they will get a cool job with the feebees and fight terror for the rest of their lives. When I say terror, I mean anyone not on the inside track with the government plan for IT. When I say government, I mean rich people behind the front like Bill. Wait - I just realized that Bill is the boss. (mumbling Linus mantra of protection fervertly)
You say you were underfunded in the past, but not the present. You contradict yourself and then say you asked for more resources. It seems to me you can utilize those around you. Have the developers support their applications. Have ghost images of standard setups and tell everyone to use common storage because you WILL blow installations away to support them. Subcontract out to interns the MBWA work. You are looking for excuses and not solving the problem. You need to change how you work. Go to lunch and think about it - you are not efficient or are choosing the wrong stuff. Your standard configurations should have standard self updating virus software for instance. People get into the habit of doing work that is not important and yet is fun. Or you can go to lunch - think about it - and just say "I am an IT person, I will do what I can supporting the most productive members first and I am really busy. Can we reschedule to talk at about 3 hours past the end of the day, I should be too tired to continue working by then and can spare the time as my reliability will have decreased to a point I should stop working or I might accidentally destroy the share space by not being aware of the details necessary to perform my job. I haven't had lunch - can you go pick me up something?"
They use windows and like it. (In this case, along with all the slow down viruses.) Don't worry, Microsoft, Norton and perhaps McAfee will patch their woes and Spam will return. Unless the spammers are cheap and don't pay or know how to patch.
In order to balance the California Budget, would you consider new corporate taxes on derived products so that you could take advantage of the SCO windfall or do you support the movement of SCO to a tax free zone so that they can avoid bankruptcy? Since SCO and AT&T originally caused the problem through nefarious contract dealing, would you consider punishment by transferring all state phone plans to Nextel so that they "can hear you now?" Finally, would you consider the migration of Redmond into Northern California to avoid the much anticipated release of crustal energy of magnitude 10 in Seattle so that additional revenues can be received for no material product or do you believe in live and let live of Open Release Products and as Arnold would say "To Heck with Redmond".
Thank you for your considersation.
I often hear a most beautiful form of English from Southwest Georgia. It is crisp and pure sounding and musical.
I have not heard it elsewhere in the South (US).
The people who control the vast amounts of resources will want to be pampered by human beings who can be shown to have a lesser status and exploited in all ways imaginable through the process. In addition, those who have money will also want to occupy those who don't so that they do not have free time on their hands to foment unrest and redistribute the wealth. If you take into account the automation of crime prevention and information abuse through advancements in computers and electronics, you could possibly try to go this way in a police state. I think you can try to dance around the social and economic realities in each of the example governments but you will end up in the same place because people cannot yet be fully indoctrinated and achieve buy in to the status quo with current educational technology. Also, the genetic makeup of the human population would have to be corrected to allow electronic indoctrination to be successful due to the differences in wiring of the human brain between individuals. So the answer is yes - and definitely NO. If anyone can achieve this, it would be a culture which already keeps everyone out of the loop - but then they would notice something changing as they approach full development in their countries as defined by integration of latest technology and ideas. (Religion is considered ideas at this point.)
You could also try the starshiptraders crossover. Since it has telnet, webmode, and a graphical client - you can play it in the fashion you want. (RPI RPG or somewhat 3rd / 1st person shooter) All these modes can coexist if planned properly. www.starshiptraders.com
This post is EXACTLY why the game I help develop was designed. In starshiptraders, the playing field is balanced through time limitations. In addition, the game is only player versus player. This means that the universe(s) are dynamic based upon the players themselves. In addition, there are three ways of playing. This means that someone who only wants to see text can play in telnet mode and it is all imagination. The person who likes clicky things can play with the browser and it is just like anything else on the web - click in - check - click out as you will. The third way to play is the graphical client that I support. In this, you can actually see some of the items in play which include planets, ports, wormholes, and other ships. This lets you pick the reality level you want. In addition, it has 2 layers of communication. The bulletin/mail feature allows you to communicate in a persistant manner with built in security to everyone or a group. The radio allows you to chat and it has channels so that private conversations can be had. The RPG aspect is limited to the players and their imagination, but the looting factor is minimized as you do have to interact and trade. By this I mean when you trade an area you are directly cutting into someone else's profits. However, everyone has a time limit as well as a fuel/move limit so you can't just play forever and CAMP. Let us face it - camping is a waste of time.
Best of all - it is free and in Opensource C (the client is anyhow). This allows it to be run in Linux, Windows, and I have even heard it compiles in BEOS. I imagine it would run anywhere that OpenGL resides.
Anyhow, I agree that you have to search long and hard for a good RPG. Wherever you go, you have to participate as an RPGer or it will not happen. RPGs are based on critical mass of good players being achieved. Whether you play starshiptraders or any other game - it is reliant upon you to make it a good RPG. Although I would hate to see someone making an RPG out of a chess match - but it could happen just as in Harry Potter. (a little bit off, but true in spirit)
Actually I wanted to call it the Dubya, but I was uncertain of the spelling and pronounsiation (sp?).
I apologize if this is seen as Offtopic, Inflammatory, Inappropriate, Illegal, or Offensive as I truly support all the good deeds that have been done in the best of intentions so please don't respond just because of the example as I really think that the lack of a popular "dead president" for the currency who lived in the information age is the problem. Microcurrency needs a figurehead like Bill Gates or Al Gore who invented the multiwindow desktop and the internet. Although maybe a Vice-President would work if we think of "micro-currency". Maybe someone like Mr Jobs should pick. I think Steve would know someone worthwhile without just picking Linus by default.
Well - I think the main thing holding us back in the US is that all currency must have a popular president on it and we seem to be running short somehow and picking people like Susan B and what - Sacawogia now or some such? At least they look good in profile.
We need a new fraction of a cent called the 'W' and even though it may take 50 transactions eventually the 'W' will make cents.
Go to the RedHat project CYGWIN and make it work in Windows. Then you have made it available to all users. Then you can feel guilty and start working on it again in Linux. Then you can do a double take and post it on Freshmeat and the other sites like Sourceforge. Then you can wonder if you should code it for QT or Windows CE. But most of all - don't give up hope! The more places you get it working the longer you can work on it cause it will survive.
This is what I am doing for the Starshiptraders Graphical Client!
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Most Slashdot readers are not the same target audience as actual players of a game or users of software. You are high quality folks as far as grey matter, but by being such high end folks - you just are not the common person.
When you go home at night - if you don't already do it during the day, you figure how to work in the payall world of Microsoft XP, MAC, and RedHat (yes RH) because you want your product to work there. You want seemless. Rebel in your mind if you want - it won't help.
So Opensource, yes I agree - greatest thing since sliced bread. Check out my product on Yahoo Group "Starshiptraders" or slashdot the crud out of my "free" website www.geocities.com/kirellii or go play the free game in "closed source" webmode or telnet mode. Dare you to slashdot that again. The bottom line, people like and trust closed source more - oh not you - you are here because you have the high end vision - but people like Joe or Jane - the normal folks. They don't want opensource - they want sealed and safe and preferably marked as such.
(*Note - I am not the owner of www.starshiptraders.com - I am just a person making an Open Source graphical client front end. Also, the game existed before Evercrack and others so anything that looks similar is purely random as Open Source takes much longer to write in the dark corners in spare time.)
(People who use or play for free are hardly the ones to shell out money for t-shirts or the software when they don't have to do it.)
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These are good questions, but you miss the point. CCP continually says they want to be a PvP game and not an RP game. So maybe, Eve is misclassified and belongs in a classification like Pong or Wizard of Wor. Eve has a very small RP community that is so small as to be almost non-existent when compared to 120,000 subscribers and 20,000 plus online. One wonders if all the detail and backstory should just be removed and it be handled like Unreal Tournament instead. You log in, pick your ship, and start shooting.
I at least love the skit, but what are we talking about - we're talking about SPAM! (Chorus: Spam Spam Spam Spam...) "Spam" is a popular Monty Python sketch, first broadcast in 1970. In the sketch, two customers are trying to order a breakfast without SPAM from a menu that includes the processed meat product in every item. The term spam (in electronic communication) is derived from this sketch. It features Terry Jones as The Waitress, Eric Idle as Mr Bun and Graham Chapman as Mrs Bun. The televised skit also featured John Cleese as The Hungarian, but this part was left out of audio recordings of the sketch. Only two minutes long, it builds up into a semi-argument between the waitress who is offering Spam with everything, and Mrs Bun who does not want it. Not even the "Lobster Thermidor aux Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provençale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pâté, brandy and with a fried egg on top and Spam." Waitress: (brightly) "Well, there's Spam, egg, sausage, and Spam, that's not got much Spam in it." Mrs Bun: (exasperated) "I don't want any Spam!" Mr Bun attempts to mollify his wife: Mr Bun: "Don't make a fuss, dear. I'll have your Spam. I love it. I'm having Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, baked beans, Spam, Spam, and Spam." Waitress: "Baked beans are off." Mr Bun: (to Waitress) "Well, can I have Spam instead?" Waitress: "You mean Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, and Spam?" At several points, a group of Vikings in the cafe drown out all conversation by loudly singing a song about "Spam, lovely Spam, wonderful Spam." They are interrupted by the waitress many times, but they resume singing more and more loudly until at last the song reaches an operatic climax. The sketch was the final sketch of the 25th show of Monty Python's Flying Circus, and was first aired December 15, 1970. Despite its shortness, the sketch became immensely popular. The word "Spam" is mentioned 94 times. Oddly enough, the first two items mentioned from the menu do not contain spam, specifically "Egg and Bacon" and "Egg, Sausage, and Bacon."
Thanks - that helped. So for the majority of people who don't know reliable sources or feeds and cruise the internet indescriminately - this is just a way of making oneself have to wade through loads of *stuff*. I am sure most will somehow collect more SPAMMISH junk than they do now through poor content choices. I think I will just trust Slashdot and the Commander to gather important stuff for me to read and then wander the net. Sometimes though - I wish there were more /. polls dealing with hardware choices for Christmas or the cool tools to choose from like IPODs or even pros and cons of the Internet providers themselves. Heck, I guess an honest assessment of cell phone companies would be out of the question too. (No Replies Necessary - don't want flame - just think about it if you have stories to submit that would help a shopper out.)
You know I use to get hardly any SPAM in the old days. I had to go out of my way to find porn on the internet. Now, it is knocking at the door with enhancements I won't need for decades if ever. Somehow, I just know this is going to be exploited somehow. Can anyone explain this in terms that a Windows user could understand? I am without caffeine this morning and this whole thing makes no sense in my fuzzy state. Is this enhancement needed or just another offer?
I only use cable for internet access (40.00 US dollars) and the mandatory by law offer of basic channels for 9.95 (US dollars). This is mainly for a tv lifeline that is geared to retired folk on fixed incomes. If I could get 7 channels for under 10 dollars of my choice, I might like this though... Right now I get about 35 channels geared toward the mainstream. It is interesting to see how they live.
Your big words tire me mentally. However, you give me hope that humanity has a future. If we ever meet ET - you talk first. I definitely will never compete directly with your niche as I could never keep on track for such a mental distance. Thanks for making the world a bit brighter by existing.
I bought this stuff at Home Depot that prevents dust buildup on ceiling fans by making the surface slick so the wind blows off the particles. Barring unexpected rain - I suppose handy windshield wipers and flipping the panels over every now and then would have to do on version 2.0 if they can't afford the slicker and the hammer to build the probe.
I think that they allow prisoners to learn computer skills. So the only real punishment would be to install Windows on their desktop. When I say Windows, I mean an early version cause XP is the boss. What will probably happen is they will get a cool job with the feebees and fight terror for the rest of their lives. When I say terror, I mean anyone not on the inside track with the government plan for IT. When I say government, I mean rich people behind the front like Bill. Wait - I just realized that Bill is the boss. (mumbling Linus mantra of protection fervertly)
I agree /. is the logo
You say you were underfunded in the past, but not the present. You contradict yourself and then say you asked for more resources. It seems to me you can utilize those around you. Have the developers support their applications. Have ghost images of standard setups and tell everyone to use common storage because you WILL blow installations away to support them. Subcontract out to interns the MBWA work. You are looking for excuses and not solving the problem. You need to change how you work. Go to lunch and think about it - you are not efficient or are choosing the wrong stuff. Your standard configurations should have standard self updating virus software for instance. People get into the habit of doing work that is not important and yet is fun. Or you can go to lunch - think about it - and just say "I am an IT person, I will do what I can supporting the most productive members first and I am really busy. Can we reschedule to talk at about 3 hours past the end of the day, I should be too tired to continue working by then and can spare the time as my reliability will have decreased to a point I should stop working or I might accidentally destroy the share space by not being aware of the details necessary to perform my job. I haven't had lunch - can you go pick me up something?"
Usted realmente lo arruino para mi. Gozaba de la corriente y entonces golpee su comentario. He sido trolled. Me siento utilizado.
They use windows and like it. (In this case, along with all the slow down viruses.) Don't worry, Microsoft, Norton and perhaps McAfee will patch their woes and Spam will return. Unless the spammers are cheap and don't pay or know how to patch.
In order to balance the California Budget, would you consider new corporate taxes on derived products so that you could take advantage of the SCO windfall or do you support the movement of SCO to a tax free zone so that they can avoid bankruptcy? Since SCO and AT&T originally caused the problem through nefarious contract dealing, would you consider punishment by transferring all state phone plans to Nextel so that they "can hear you now?" Finally, would you consider the migration of Redmond into Northern California to avoid the much anticipated release of crustal energy of magnitude 10 in Seattle so that additional revenues can be received for no material product or do you believe in live and let live of Open Release Products and as Arnold would say "To Heck with Redmond". Thank you for your considersation.
I often hear a most beautiful form of English from Southwest Georgia. It is crisp and pure sounding and musical. I have not heard it elsewhere in the South (US).
The people who control the vast amounts of resources will want to be pampered by human beings who can be shown to have a lesser status and exploited in all ways imaginable through the process. In addition, those who have money will also want to occupy those who don't so that they do not have free time on their hands to foment unrest and redistribute the wealth. If you take into account the automation of crime prevention and information abuse through advancements in computers and electronics, you could possibly try to go this way in a police state. I think you can try to dance around the social and economic realities in each of the example governments but you will end up in the same place because people cannot yet be fully indoctrinated and achieve buy in to the status quo with current educational technology. Also, the genetic makeup of the human population would have to be corrected to allow electronic indoctrination to be successful due to the differences in wiring of the human brain between individuals. So the answer is yes - and definitely NO. If anyone can achieve this, it would be a culture which already keeps everyone out of the loop - but then they would notice something changing as they approach full development in their countries as defined by integration of latest technology and ideas. (Religion is considered ideas at this point.)
You could also try the starshiptraders crossover. Since it has telnet, webmode, and a graphical client - you can play it in the fashion you want. (RPI RPG or somewhat 3rd / 1st person shooter) All these modes can coexist if planned properly. www.starshiptraders.com
This post is EXACTLY why the game I help develop was designed. In starshiptraders, the playing field is balanced through time limitations. In addition, the game is only player versus player. This means that the universe(s) are dynamic based upon the players themselves. In addition, there are three ways of playing. This means that someone who only wants to see text can play in telnet mode and it is all imagination. The person who likes clicky things can play with the browser and it is just like anything else on the web - click in - check - click out as you will. The third way to play is the graphical client that I support. In this, you can actually see some of the items in play which include planets, ports, wormholes, and other ships. This lets you pick the reality level you want. In addition, it has 2 layers of communication. The bulletin/mail feature allows you to communicate in a persistant manner with built in security to everyone or a group. The radio allows you to chat and it has channels so that private conversations can be had. The RPG aspect is limited to the players and their imagination, but the looting factor is minimized as you do have to interact and trade. By this I mean when you trade an area you are directly cutting into someone else's profits. However, everyone has a time limit as well as a fuel/move limit so you can't just play forever and CAMP. Let us face it - camping is a waste of time. Best of all - it is free and in Opensource C (the client is anyhow). This allows it to be run in Linux, Windows, and I have even heard it compiles in BEOS. I imagine it would run anywhere that OpenGL resides. Anyhow, I agree that you have to search long and hard for a good RPG. Wherever you go, you have to participate as an RPGer or it will not happen. RPGs are based on critical mass of good players being achieved. Whether you play starshiptraders or any other game - it is reliant upon you to make it a good RPG. Although I would hate to see someone making an RPG out of a chess match - but it could happen just as in Harry Potter. (a little bit off, but true in spirit)
Actually I wanted to call it the Dubya, but I was uncertain of the spelling and pronounsiation (sp?). I apologize if this is seen as Offtopic, Inflammatory, Inappropriate, Illegal, or Offensive as I truly support all the good deeds that have been done in the best of intentions so please don't respond just because of the example as I really think that the lack of a popular "dead president" for the currency who lived in the information age is the problem. Microcurrency needs a figurehead like Bill Gates or Al Gore who invented the multiwindow desktop and the internet. Although maybe a Vice-President would work if we think of "micro-currency". Maybe someone like Mr Jobs should pick. I think Steve would know someone worthwhile without just picking Linus by default.
Well - I think the main thing holding us back in the US is that all currency must have a popular president on it and we seem to be running short somehow and picking people like Susan B and what - Sacawogia now or some such? At least they look good in profile. We need a new fraction of a cent called the 'W' and even though it may take 50 transactions eventually the 'W' will make cents.
Go to the RedHat project CYGWIN and make it work in Windows. Then you have made it available to all users. Then you can feel guilty and start working on it again in Linux. Then you can do a double take and post it on Freshmeat and the other sites like Sourceforge. Then you can wonder if you should code it for QT or Windows CE. But most of all - don't give up hope! The more places you get it working the longer you can work on it cause it will survive. This is what I am doing for the Starshiptraders Graphical Client!
Most Slashdot readers are not the same target audience as actual players of a game or users of software. You are high quality folks as far as grey matter, but by being such high end folks - you just are not the common person. When you go home at night - if you don't already do it during the day, you figure how to work in the payall world of Microsoft XP, MAC, and RedHat (yes RH) because you want your product to work there. You want seemless. Rebel in your mind if you want - it won't help. So Opensource, yes I agree - greatest thing since sliced bread. Check out my product on Yahoo Group "Starshiptraders" or slashdot the crud out of my "free" website www.geocities.com/kirellii or go play the free game in "closed source" webmode or telnet mode. Dare you to slashdot that again. The bottom line, people like and trust closed source more - oh not you - you are here because you have the high end vision - but people like Joe or Jane - the normal folks. They don't want opensource - they want sealed and safe and preferably marked as such. (*Note - I am not the owner of www.starshiptraders.com - I am just a person making an Open Source graphical client front end. Also, the game existed before Evercrack and others so anything that looks similar is purely random as Open Source takes much longer to write in the dark corners in spare time.) (People who use or play for free are hardly the ones to shell out money for t-shirts or the software when they don't have to do it.)
I already chose Cgold, but unfortunately I think C$ is the one that will stick in the Business Realm.