I think using filters in pine is fairly easy. It is a little intimidating, because you set everything at once (rather than having, say, a drop-down box to say which part of the header you're filtering on or which flag you're setting).
I have setup filters that retain the new/read/deleted/etc. tags & keep them in my inbox, but will colorcode the subject line differently based on whether the person is in my addressbook or is using my mailserver or if it is from a mailing list I'm on. This sounds similar to what you want to do. I could've just as easily sent them to a different box & set pine to alert me when new messages were in a given folder.
I didn't have to use any esoteric tricks to do this. It just WORKS.
No, IMAP is just for message storage. You still have to manage the configuration of the clients which access the IMAP server. IMAP simply lets you store your messages in a portable format. If you want to share other things, such as address books, you need to use something else - perhaps LDAP.
Or, better, IMSP. IMSP allows personalized addressbooks (rather than organizational directories) to be stored on a central server. It also stores your mail preferences.
IMAP+IMSP is a more elegant solution than a single proprietary webmail program.
Text-based MUAs such as Mutt are still (IMO) more effective at dealing with large numbers of messages.
I agree 100%.
For those of you who edit a lot of text too, Mutt even calls an external editor for composing messages
As does PINE. As do a number of the better GUI clients.
He doesn't like PCs very much, but he asked me to "set up PINE" (meaning an SSH client) on a new machine that the campus IT staff had set up for him with Netscape 7's email client. He's on some high-volume lists, and it's just too slow to use a GUI client
You might try putting on a copy of PC-Pine for him to use. I find a local email client has many advantages of SSHing in and using a client on the server. It also leaves him less dependent on the server admins. (At my graduate university, they stopped giving access to a restricted shell environment accessible through SSH because of "security concerns," but kept the unencrypted POP and SMTP so as not to piss off the masses. Hopefully his admins are a bit smarter, but it is nice to use what you want, rather than what you are given/)
I grant that there is some merit to this criticism. But I don't think the GUI should destroy the functionality of a program. If you don't know the estoteric keyboard shortcuts, it is nice to use scrollwheels, scrollbars, mice, and dropdown menus. But you can use all of these in a properly configured pine or mutt. You can edit all of the settings in.pinerc without touching a text editor.
What can your client do that PINE or MUTT can't do?
How is it outdated? Just because it has no GUI? It supports IMAP better than the clients reviewed & understands more mailbox formats too. What can't it do?
How is it slow? It sends and receives a complete message quicker while utilizing fewer resources than the GUI alternatives.
Just because you find a client is "well organized" doesn't mean it is a "very nice" email client. The new GUI is harder to configure & many people don't like it compared to the previous version. The IMAP implementation SUCKS. I don't know why you find it "robust." There are many faster & more robust clients out there for cheaper, including many for linux.
Mozilla's support for IMAP is OK, but to not see Mulberry on this list is a big shame! It is the best GUI IMAP client currently available. Outlook's IMAP is HORRIBLE & the Kmail & Opera aren't quite there yet either.
For what it is worth, I actually use PINE (which is an even better IMAP client than mulberry). It is a shame not to see some very good text-based clients such as pine and mutt in this comparison as well.
Righ. One is a minimal, one is the full version of 1 disc (so no optimized compiles for individual platforms yet). Many mirrors only have the minimal CD (from which you can make a full CD). Or get the full from ftp.ussg.iu.edu (but I beat you to the queue!)
I find that for spoken word (such as audiobooks), I can increase the playback rate to as much as 150% and can understand and enjoy the material for an extended amount of time. If I am really paying attention, I can play back at 200% for shorter lengths of time & if I'm feeling "distracted," I may have only a ver small increasae in the rate.
I don't know what hardware currently has this feature (I'm sure other/.ers will know & hope they post it, as I'm in the market for a player), but the winamp plugin pacemaker works quite well in winamp or Xaudio.
You can set up the "UI" any way you want; I assume you mean keys, because the very same commands do the very same things across all the RPN calculators.
I had assumed he was also referring to the sleek form factor. I really wish I had a 15c, which is the most useful POCKET calculator I've seen.
Oh, and i'd like to see you do a 3x3 matrix on your 1 line screen.
I didn't find 3x3 matrices to be too cumbersome in the earlier series. The matrix editor is certainly slower than using the stack (though this was improved on the 49).
Have fun pushing buttons if your RPN program returns more than one number...
This is hardly burdensome.
Never confuse "crappy" with "I didn't understand how to use it." The 48/49 series, while being useable to do 2+2 kind of stuff, are really designed for people who do repetitive calculations and such. Not just graphing...
He didn't call them crappy--he said they aren't good for daily uses. I would agree if a requirement of "daily uses" is extreme portability without sacrificing substantial features. I have a 48gx & I use it when I'm at the desk. A 15c would really work better for me in the lab or field. It is smaller & more durable.
I got my ReplayTV 5040 with lifetime for $281. Show me a HTPC that is cheaper and does at least the same amount of stuff as this unit does & I'd build it.
I'm also a Replay fan. I got the 5040 with lifetime subscription for $281. If anyone shows me a sub-$300 PC that can do what it can do, I'd be impressed. FWIW, I DO have a HTPC, but I didn't get it for the cost.
I think you should get a used Contax. These can be obtained for under $200 from an outfit such as Kenmore Camera. If possible, go to a big used camera store to look at several models.
Contax cameras are nice because they have Zeiss lenses available, which are quite stunning. Lower priced Yashica lenses will also fit. My starter was a 50mm Contax lens and a 30-200 Yashica zoom.
Using Contax will impress other photographers and doesn't cost an arm and a leg like Leica.
Mulberry lets you sort by thread and also happens to be the best darn IMAP client I've used (except, perhaps, pine). Yes, it is a 5 MB download with no browser, but you get A LOT in those 5 MB. I still use Opera for my browsing, but I've been reasonably happy with Thunderbird, even if it hasn't hit 1.0 (their 0.4 is better than outlook, outlook express, or eudora).
If I'm not the only PINE fan that is still kicking around, there is a fancy thread interface patch that is quite fun:
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/info/f ancy.html
It isn't greed when you claim your life is ruined, when people do thing like buy an ipod or gift certificates for you or try to give you a few minutes of international fame?
This kid didn't have the shit beaten out of him. He had his likeness promoted on the internet. If you released a video I made in high school on the inernet & I got a teddy bear (let alone thousands of dollars and an ounce of fame), I wouldn't take action against you...I'd hire you as my @#$@#ing agent.
He claimed to fit a subset of the data. The curve reflects no points before 1950 or after 1991.
While exponentials are used for statistical growth models (and even excel and other basic spreadsheet programs can fit with it), I don't think there's a fundamental reason that copyright registrations should behave exponentially rather than quadratically.
I think there is greater burden on justifying the two endpoints. To throw data before 1950 was arbitrary. Why not 1949? Why not 1951? He justified fitting until 1991 by explaining that,in 1992, renewals became automatic.
Most interesting to me was one trend that my statistics professor, Professor Wyner, pointed out. From the early 1950's until 1991, copyright registrations rise exponentially. In fact, a simple quadratic fit shows an Rsquare of over.99.
Fair enough, though Tivo doesn't include either of these features! I guess that means they won't "take them away from you," but perhaps you won't be getting as much as you think you'll get.
Thanks for pointing out WP 11! I've been using WordPerfect since 4.2 & my family has used earlier versions. I was sad to see 10 after seeing 9. It MIGHT have been a babystep forward, but was almost a couple steps BACK. I use both 9 and 10 in preference to Word, but I still find that Word is always making improvements. I broke down and bought a copy of Office XP & find myself using it. Less bang for your buck than Corel, but Excel and PowerPoint are almost essential to me now.
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I think using filters in pine is fairly easy. It is a little intimidating, because you set everything at once (rather than having, say, a drop-down box to say which part of the header you're filtering on or which flag you're setting).
I have setup filters that retain the new/read/deleted/etc. tags & keep them in my inbox, but will colorcode the subject line differently based on whether the person is in my addressbook or is using my mailserver or if it is from a mailing list I'm on. This sounds similar to what you want to do. I could've just as easily sent them to a different box & set pine to alert me when new messages were in a given folder.
I didn't have to use any esoteric tricks to do this. It just WORKS.
No, IMAP is just for message storage. You still have to manage the configuration of the clients which access the IMAP server. IMAP simply lets you store your messages in a portable format. If you want to share other things, such as address books, you need to use something else - perhaps LDAP.
Or, better, IMSP. IMSP allows personalized addressbooks (rather than organizational directories) to be stored on a central server. It also stores your mail preferences.
IMAP+IMSP is a more elegant solution than a single proprietary webmail program.
Text-based MUAs such as Mutt are still (IMO) more effective at dealing with large numbers of messages.
I agree 100%.
For those of you who edit a lot of text too, Mutt even calls an external editor for composing messages
As does PINE. As do a number of the better GUI clients.
He doesn't like PCs very much, but he asked me to "set up PINE" (meaning an SSH client) on a new machine that the campus IT staff had set up for him with Netscape 7's email client. He's on some high-volume lists, and it's just too slow to use a GUI client
You might try putting on a copy of PC-Pine for him to use. I find a local email client has many advantages of SSHing in and using a client on the server. It also leaves him less dependent on the server admins. (At my graduate university, they stopped giving access to a restricted shell environment accessible through SSH because of "security concerns," but kept the unencrypted POP and SMTP so as not to piss off the masses. Hopefully his admins are a bit smarter, but it is nice to use what you want, rather than what you are given/)
I grant that there is some merit to this criticism. But I don't think the GUI should destroy the functionality of a program. If you don't know the estoteric keyboard shortcuts, it is nice to use scrollwheels, scrollbars, mice, and dropdown menus. But you can use all of these in a properly configured pine or mutt. You can edit all of the settings in .pinerc without touching a text editor.
What can your client do that PINE or MUTT can't do?
How is it outdated? Just because it has no GUI? It supports IMAP better than the clients reviewed & understands more mailbox formats too. What can't it do?
How is it slow? It sends and receives a complete message quicker while utilizing fewer resources than the GUI alternatives.
It HAS filters which are very, very powerful.
Just because you find a client is "well organized" doesn't mean it is a "very nice" email client. The new GUI is harder to configure & many people don't like it compared to the previous version. The IMAP implementation SUCKS. I don't know why you find it "robust." There are many faster & more robust clients out there for cheaper, including many for linux.
Mozilla's support for IMAP is OK, but to not see Mulberry on this list is a big shame! It is the best GUI IMAP client currently available. Outlook's IMAP is HORRIBLE & the Kmail & Opera aren't quite there yet either.
For what it is worth, I actually use PINE (which is an even better IMAP client than mulberry). It is a shame not to see some very good text-based clients such as pine and mutt in this comparison as well.
I like Open Office & use it. But it isn't "just as good as WordPerfect." "Reveal Codes" is something EVERY word processor should have.
These prices are pretty high, but if I wouldn't hesitate to pick it up for less than $20 with OEM, as another poster suggested.
install-x86-universal-2004.0.iso
at Indiana University under releases & dated today.
If this is an experimental release, someone better fix that mirror.
Righ. One is a minimal, one is the full version of 1 disc (so no optimized compiles for individual platforms yet). Many mirrors only have the minimal CD (from which you can make a full CD). Or get the full from ftp.ussg.iu.edu (but I beat you to the queue!)
I find that for spoken word (such as audiobooks), I can increase the playback rate to as much as 150% and can understand and enjoy the material for an extended amount of time. If I am really paying attention, I can play back at 200% for shorter lengths of time & if I'm feeling "distracted," I may have only a ver small increasae in the rate.
I don't know what hardware currently has this feature (I'm sure other /.ers will know & hope they post it, as I'm in the market for a player), but the winamp plugin pacemaker works quite well in winamp or Xaudio.
You can set up the "UI" any way you want; I assume you mean keys, because the very same commands do the very same things across all the RPN calculators.
I had assumed he was also referring to the sleek form factor. I really wish I had a 15c, which is the most useful POCKET calculator I've seen.
Oh, and i'd like to see you do a 3x3 matrix on your 1 line screen.
I didn't find 3x3 matrices to be too cumbersome in the earlier series. The matrix editor is certainly slower than using the stack (though this was improved on the 49).
Have fun pushing buttons if your RPN program returns more than one number...
This is hardly burdensome.
Never confuse "crappy" with "I didn't understand how to use it." The 48/49 series, while being useable to do 2+2 kind of stuff, are really designed for people who do repetitive calculations and such. Not just graphing...
He didn't call them crappy--he said they aren't good for daily uses. I would agree if a requirement of "daily uses" is extreme portability without sacrificing substantial features. I have a 48gx & I use it when I'm at the desk. A 15c would really work better for me in the lab or field. It is smaller & more durable.
They made a DivX file just for slashdot? I would have thought this crowd would rather have had Ogg Media files.
I got my ReplayTV 5040 with lifetime for $281. Show me a HTPC that is cheaper and does at least the same amount of stuff as this unit does & I'd build it.
I'm also a Replay fan. I got the 5040 with lifetime subscription for $281. If anyone shows me a sub-$300 PC that can do what it can do, I'd be impressed. FWIW, I DO have a HTPC, but I didn't get it for the cost.
I think you should get a used Contax. These can be obtained for under $200 from an outfit such as Kenmore Camera. If possible, go to a big used camera store to look at several models.
Contax cameras are nice because they have Zeiss lenses available, which are quite stunning. Lower priced Yashica lenses will also fit. My starter was a 50mm Contax lens and a 30-200 Yashica zoom.
Using Contax will impress other photographers and doesn't cost an arm and a leg like Leica.
Mulberry lets you sort by thread and also happens to be the best darn IMAP client I've used (except, perhaps, pine). Yes, it is a 5 MB download with no browser, but you get A LOT in those 5 MB. I still use Opera for my browsing, but I've been reasonably happy with Thunderbird, even if it hasn't hit 1.0 (their 0.4 is better than outlook, outlook express, or eudora). If I'm not the only PINE fan that is still kicking around, there is a fancy thread interface patch that is quite fun: http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/info/f ancy.html
Is it really that insightful to fight a use of the word that entered our language 400 years ago?
It isn't greed when you claim your life is ruined, when people do thing like buy an ipod or gift certificates for you or try to give you a few minutes of international fame?
This kid didn't have the shit beaten out of him. He had his likeness promoted on the internet. If you released a video I made in high school on the inernet & I got a teddy bear (let alone thousands of dollars and an ounce of fame), I wouldn't take action against you...I'd hire you as my @#$@#ing agent.
Didn't we already help buy him an ipod?
Maclaurin was even more of a smart-ass than me. Too bad his data files are a proprietary format--I would like to know the difference of the two fits.
He claimed to fit a subset of the data. The curve reflects no points before 1950 or after 1991.
While exponentials are used for statistical growth models (and even excel and other basic spreadsheet programs can fit with it), I don't think there's a fundamental reason that copyright registrations should behave exponentially rather than quadratically.
I think there is greater burden on justifying the two endpoints. To throw data before 1950 was arbitrary. Why not 1949? Why not 1951? He justified fitting until 1991 by explaining that,in 1992, renewals became automatic.
Most interesting to me was one trend that my statistics professor, Professor Wyner, pointed out. From the early 1950's until 1991, copyright registrations rise exponentially. In fact, a simple quadratic fit shows an Rsquare of over .99 .
a*exp(b*x)!=a*x^2+b*x+c
Fair enough, though Tivo doesn't include either of these features! I guess that means they won't "take them away from you," but perhaps you won't be getting as much as you think you'll get.
Thanks for pointing out WP 11! I've been using WordPerfect since 4.2 & my family has used earlier versions. I was sad to see 10 after seeing 9. It MIGHT have been a babystep forward, but was almost a couple steps BACK. I use both 9 and 10 in preference to Word, but I still find that Word is always making improvements. I broke down and bought a copy of Office XP & find myself using it. Less bang for your buck than Corel, but Excel and PowerPoint are almost essential to me now.