1. An old P4 uses many many times the power.
2. Lower power for desktop is good when your "desktop" is the smartphone in your pocket docked to a workstation.
3. ARM wouldn't need to run pre-existing desktop software, just mobile software like android ("apps" + browser)
4. Youtube works fine on an iPad or Android device today and you're right I'd agree people can't live without it.
5. Buying a used P4 for $40 isn't really a fair comparison to buying a brand new ARM chip using a fraction of the power. Compare new vs new or used vs used, and keep the wattage the same. Really it comes down to MIPS/watt and the upper bound needs to be incredibly low.
If you want to write enterprise software you should spend some time running enterprise infrastructure. I can't tell you how many developers I'd like to slap because they have no idea how IT actually runs.
While I absolutely agree that an ARM based system using current (and even the next gen) of ARM reference designs would NOT be suitably for 100% of x86 users today, I think it's entirely possible that the next generation (A15 and beyond), with the appropriate software, could satisfy the computing requirements of a lot of people. And what about a generation after that? I think you overestimate the performance requirements of the general population. Most people don't post on slashdot, and don't have our requirements.
(driving up power consumption for sure)
Not necessarily, not if they also reduce the die size of the fabrication process. You could actually have higher performance at the same power consumption.
Except that ARM already confirmed it's 40% faster, core for core, clock for clock. I'm pointing out not only is it a newer and higher performing micro-arch, it's _ALSO_ a clock speed increase. The A15 will blow the A9 out of the water.
The iPad doesn't run Mac OS, RHEL, or Windows.
And why do you assume that an ARM based desktop should run the same software as traditional x86 desktops?
The Cortex-A15 will be available in up to octo-core configurations at 2.5Ghz, using a fraction of the power of a P4 (vs the 1.0Ghz benchmark you provide). You can make up arbitrary hardware requirements for "most people" but that doesn't exactly explain why Apple is selling tens of millions of iPads to ecstatic customers with a fraction of the "power" of a P4.
Government IT contract workers make obscene money. I've seen horribly unqualified people taking network/system admin jobs in the middle east for $90k, $150k, $250k for a 9-12 month contract. The first $70k(ish?) is tax free. Its insane. Most of them sit in little NOCs and watch lights blink all day.
Yeah virtual 3D environments assume that the best interface is the real world, which is horribly incorrect. Reality is what we got stuck with, that doesn't make it optimal.
I definitely agree with you, this isn't the end of RIM, at least not anytime soon. But, I really don't see exactly how their move to yet another platform is going to fix anything? The problem now is the lack of a thriving ecosystem like the ones you see in the Android and iOS worlds. Wouldn't a new platform further hurt their efforts in building an "app ecosystem" ? It's not like people are dying to write Playbook apps now.
These are specifically horizontal (says it right in the product title) and aren't designed to be run vertically, so obviously I'm not talking about running cable vertically, as I specifically illustrated in my original post. So you can see why I was confused when you started talking about both vertical cable runs as well as running cable across the floor in these (?). Your post is very confusing.
Yes the market exploded, while RIM's market (and mind) share percentage has shrank. Basically the other smartphone platforms are dramatically outpacing RIM's growth. Do you not see this as a problem?
This isn't raceway, these are 19" cable organizers that mount inside the rack between your patch panel and switch. These are for intra-rack cabling, per the original question of how to "cleanly sort varying length patch cables within IDFs". The drawback is that it takes up available rack units that you could otherwise use to mount other equipment.
And in replying to my own post, just remember that when you use a horizontal cable manager to hide a bunch of unevenly lengthed patch cable that you HAVE TO LABEL YOUR CABLES. Otherwise this actually makes it WORSE. Blackbox makes lots of different really good options for reusable cable labels.
It may be one bad quarter of financials, but they've been hemorrhaging market share since the introduction of the iPhone. The death of a platform isn't something that happens overnight.
Slashdot Mirror
/b/ was never good
modded +5 insightful? wow, slashdot has really gone downhill.
it's been done before so it's not impossible!
Let me guess, margin of error of up to +/- 5%.
phpBB (and other messageboards, like vBulletin) killed usenet.
1. An old P4 uses many many times the power.
2. Lower power for desktop is good when your "desktop" is the smartphone in your pocket docked to a workstation.
3. ARM wouldn't need to run pre-existing desktop software, just mobile software like android ("apps" + browser)
4. Youtube works fine on an iPad or Android device today and you're right I'd agree people can't live without it.
5. Buying a used P4 for $40 isn't really a fair comparison to buying a brand new ARM chip using a fraction of the power. Compare new vs new or used vs used, and keep the wattage the same. Really it comes down to MIPS/watt and the upper bound needs to be incredibly low.
If you want to write enterprise software you should spend some time running enterprise infrastructure. I can't tell you how many developers I'd like to slap because they have no idea how IT actually runs.
(driving up power consumption for sure)
Not necessarily, not if they also reduce the die size of the fabrication process. You could actually have higher performance at the same power consumption.
MHz myth in full force.
Except that ARM already confirmed it's 40% faster, core for core, clock for clock. I'm pointing out not only is it a newer and higher performing micro-arch, it's _ALSO_ a clock speed increase. The A15 will blow the A9 out of the water.
The iPad doesn't run Mac OS, RHEL, or Windows.
And why do you assume that an ARM based desktop should run the same software as traditional x86 desktops?
They just won't run MS Office which is the biggest problem for most office workers.
Actually, they can..
The Cortex-A15 will be available in up to octo-core configurations at 2.5Ghz, using a fraction of the power of a P4 (vs the 1.0Ghz benchmark you provide). You can make up arbitrary hardware requirements for "most people" but that doesn't exactly explain why Apple is selling tens of millions of iPads to ecstatic customers with a fraction of the "power" of a P4.
Well, pretty soon we'll have 2.5Ghz (up to octo-core) ARM CPUs so it might be a good time to get your feet wet in the ARM world.
Leave JS alone and create a new language that's a better fit for "deep guts" programming.
Google agrees with you
That is literally a fundamental tenant on slashdot. "Why did we build X? Because we could!"
Government IT contract workers make obscene money. I've seen horribly unqualified people taking network/system admin jobs in the middle east for $90k, $150k, $250k for a 9-12 month contract. The first $70k(ish?) is tax free. Its insane. Most of them sit in little NOCs and watch lights blink all day.
You make some excellent points, but what about something like this?
Yeah virtual 3D environments assume that the best interface is the real world, which is horribly incorrect. Reality is what we got stuck with, that doesn't make it optimal.
But what will you learn doing that! Nothing! Come on, this is Slashdot! You learn by tinkering!
I definitely agree with you, this isn't the end of RIM, at least not anytime soon. But, I really don't see exactly how their move to yet another platform is going to fix anything? The problem now is the lack of a thriving ecosystem like the ones you see in the Android and iOS worlds. Wouldn't a new platform further hurt their efforts in building an "app ecosystem" ? It's not like people are dying to write Playbook apps now.
These are specifically horizontal (says it right in the product title) and aren't designed to be run vertically, so obviously I'm not talking about running cable vertically, as I specifically illustrated in my original post. So you can see why I was confused when you started talking about both vertical cable runs as well as running cable across the floor in these (?). Your post is very confusing.
Yes the market exploded, while RIM's market (and mind) share percentage has shrank. Basically the other smartphone platforms are dramatically outpacing RIM's growth. Do you not see this as a problem?
This isn't raceway, these are 19" cable organizers that mount inside the rack between your patch panel and switch. These are for intra-rack cabling, per the original question of how to "cleanly sort varying length patch cables within IDFs". The drawback is that it takes up available rack units that you could otherwise use to mount other equipment.
And in replying to my own post, just remember that when you use a horizontal cable manager to hide a bunch of unevenly lengthed patch cable that you HAVE TO LABEL YOUR CABLES. Otherwise this actually makes it WORSE. Blackbox makes lots of different really good options for reusable cable labels.
We use these a lot in the datacenters.
So, the rack looks like this:
[patch panel]
[panduit tray]
[switch]
repeat
It may be one bad quarter of financials, but they've been hemorrhaging market share since the introduction of the iPhone. The death of a platform isn't something that happens overnight.