Soon... making payments... 6 years after the fact?
Not likely. Its clear they've been waiting in order to collect massive damages. That doesn't actually go over well, judges tend to tell you to go fuck yourself in those cases.
If you dick with your phone while driving you deserve to lose your driving privilege. Don't punish passengers, nor drivers who use passengers as navcom.
The actions of the many often outweight the actions of the few. The problem is that 99.9% of the population are less safe because of cell phone distractions.
I'm not one of those people, I don't use my phone while driving. I often use it as a passenger as you've described, as does my wife. However, you, my wife, and I using it safely... and all of slashdot too for that matter... does not make a big enough dent statistically to even mention, so while I shouldn't have to give up my freedom to use it properly... its impractical and ignorant to pretend you're going to solve this any other way. To top it off, it really isn't that important that you be able to use your phone while the car is moving. You will survive, just like everyone else did before cell phones existed.
Really? So you think the general population... most of which are using their cell phones while driving are smart enough to make intelligent decisions themselves... even though the whole reason this is being brought up is due to the overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
I'm an arrogant prick because the evidence says that people are too stupid to pay attention to the road?
Getting caught with your phone generally happens because you had a half finished text message on your phone when the fire department pulled your body out of the wreckage using the jaws of life. Its too late at that point, because you've already ran into my car and killed my child.
You do realize that people made road trips and had entertainment well before smart phones, tablets or even the Internet was invented, right?
You really will survive without it. Believe it or not, there was a time when there was no Internet at all! Yet, Human beings still made road trips, and raised their children without killing them. Even were capable of educating themselves.
I'm really not sure how the tablet your kid is staring at while you were focused on driving helped. You were focused on driving right? Or are you telling us that you are exactly the problem that needs correcting?
No, I'm not up for nut job ideas, and as I said, I normally wouldn't agree with this, but if my choice is to give up a little freedom in order to not be killed by the 300 million morons that are allowed to drive in this country, then I'll do it.
I'd rather be alive and slightly less free, than dead and anything. I'd rather not be less free, but the morons of the nation are scary to me than the loss of freedom.
It is worth restricting passengers in order to take out drivers. I would rather not be able to text as a passenger than worry about getting ran over by some 16 year old in Moms ton and a half SUV because 'OMFG Becky is not even hot'
What I want is for people to not fuck with their phones (or anything else!) while driving. Since that isn't something that people seem to be doing, and I care more about not getting ran over and killed by some ignorant jackass who's selfish ass thinks he can drive while staring down at his phone. In order to prevent that, I am MORE THAN WILLING to not use my phone as a passenger.
I don't really want to have hard restrictions imposed on the driver, but apparently we as Americans are too stupid to know that driving is dangerous and requires attention, so we have to impose such stupid restrictions on them. If theres some collateral damage, so be it.
I have to be alive for any of this to matter, so I'll take not getting ran over as my first choice. People did live before cell phones and gadgets, even took long trips and played games that actually helped the driver pay attention to the road at that!
As somone below pointed out the hot spot for your cars internet connection, again I must ask, why do you NEED an internet connection in your car? You don't. I have one, its cool as shit, my radio even runs Android so it has apps! I know not to try and dick with any of it when driving. Other people don't seem to be that intelligent, and telling them why its unsafe doesn't seem to be working.
And I don't mean NHTSA or DOT here, I mean We, The People.
The messed up part is not that they are doing this... it's that we are so freaking stupid and selfish that they have to do this.
No one driving their own car is so important that they even need to take phone calls while driving, let alone texts or other crap. People who are that important have drivers and assistants.
Its very sad that we've gotten ourselves as a country to be so oblivious to the world around us that the government has to step in and come up with ways to keep us from being morons when we step into a deadly weapon.
You can debate gun laws since the injuries caused by guns and nut jobs are relatively few and far between, so its at least worth discussing both sides of the equation. Even in America, and its craziest gun tote'n parts (which I've lived in), few people carry guns daily. On the other hand, everyone drives, and almost everyone texts/talks while driving, which is WAY more dangerous. Just look at the energy ratio alone! Most gun owners are not nutjobs... drivers on the other hand seem to think its part of the requirements for the job.
I would like to stand up and yell that this is a ridiculous invasion of my personal space. It is a ridiculous invasion of my personal space.
Unfortunately, I have to side with NHTSA since I'd rather have my personal space invaded by a law than I would have it invaded by someone's ton and a half SUV because they were texting some cat picture instead of driving.
What magical part of the world do you live in where there are no thieves? I'm seriously interested, I would love to live somewhere like that, but I'm fairly certain neither it nor Peter Pan actually exist.
Yet if your wallet shows up at a pawn shop... we expect them to call the police.
If your watch or TV shows up at a pawn shop... we expect them to call the police.
It is in fact a requirement in most states to check the police databases for everything they accept.
Guess what happens by doing that... a lot less TVs and Watches are stolen.
Its not about getting it back, its about not getting it stolen. Making a stolen phone worthless makes committing robbery/assault/murder to get one a whole hell of a lot less worth while, doesn't it?
Getting it back is the last resort. I don't want to lose it in the first damn place.
Give this to the carriers? They already DO this. They just aren't sharing their databases. This is just about finally doing what should have been done 20 years ago.
A phone cut off from the network wont receive the wipe command from the MDM (Mobile Device Management).
Its as if this was rocket science or something...
You know you can remote wipe it... BEFORE they blacklist it... right?
In Europe, if all German carriers block a stolen phone, they'll just hock it over the border in Poland.
Except they won't... because they share the same database... and thats the point, the US will be doing the same, and joining the GSM association database so that you can't take an American phone to Germany either.
This wont be that much harder from the US given things like Ebay and cheap international shipping. Also you're seriously underestimating the number of suckers out there who will buy "Cheap Iphone, Network unlocked (not lying)".
And Ebay will put an end to that when they get tired of refunding paypal transactions for stolen phones.
I'm fairly certain they aren't stealing TracPhones that often. Most people with phones worth stealing aren't paying by the minute. They have real accounts that don't run out of minutes.
Its not stealing if you leave your purse/jacket/backpack (backpack? WTF do you carry a backpack to the club for, fucking drug dealers don't even need to do that) unattended in the middle of a dark club. Its called teaching you a lesson in what happens when you act like a complete and total moron.
you seem to forget that they person who got their phone stolen isn't likely to go buy back their own phone. They're going to probably go buy the newest model.
The stolen phone goes to some cheap fuck who wouldn't buy a new one or a legitimate used one, and the original owner has to buy a new one.
Now you have 2 subscribers instead of one, and the purchase of 2 new phones, via the subscriber who actually pays for their own toys rather than buying them from the back of a van.
Fukishima was a minor venting of material to prevent an explosion within the pressure vessel.
Chernobyl was a steam explosion that ruptured the containment vessel and blasted radioactive graphite and fuel rods from the reactor into the atmosphere and onto the surrounding land, and to a lesser extent, the globe.
Fukishima was a bad day.
Chernobyl was a disaster.
They are on such different scales that its not even a little bit close.
You do realize that any thyroid cancer that developers as a result of radiation exposure at this plant won't develop for at least another 2, maybe 3 years... right...
I'll ignore the rest of the ignorance of your post, but for fucks sake, its like saying that some kid died in the desert because he drown in the pool at the hotel that hasn't even started being built yet.
See chernobyl... yes, please do... worst accident in nuclear history... yet... not really unsafe unless you were one of the poor bastards on site during the explosions or sacrificed to clean up.
Please find actual environmental damage at Chernobyl... you won't. The environment surrounding the plant is undistinguishable from before. The animals are neither mutated, nor dying of cancer/radiation.
In fact... it was so 'unsafe' that it was kept online and manned until recently... now all reactors are offline, but there are still people on site and have been the entire time.
Congratulations, the media has educated you into ignorance.
They don't cost billions of dollars. It takes billions of dollars to get one built, that is an entirely different thing.
Most of the money in building a plant is not the plant... its the paperwork, bribes and bonds... to cover what you say the tax payers pay. Guess what industries do a big bunch of effort to make nuclear power seem unsafe?
You're a tool. You've let propoganda guide your thoughts rather than facts. Get some facts.
Okay, lets use Chernobyl as an example... which was orders of magnitude worse in every way... now go look at how many people that 'killed' or the 'damage it did to the environment' there... 26 years is long enough to wait... right?
Oh look, you can't freaking tell there was any sort of accident outside the people who basically stepped inside an active reactor (well, the insides were on the outsides due to the explosion).
Nuclear power... even in a horrible meltdown... isn't that freaking dangerous.
Chernobyl did far less damage to the environment from a radiation perspective than ANY coal plant you can find on the planet.
Go get educated about the realities of nuclear energy and stop being such a douche.
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Since when does being an ignorant troll on slashdot given you the moral high ground?
Soon ... making payments ... 6 years after the fact?
Not likely. Its clear they've been waiting in order to collect massive damages. That doesn't actually go over well, judges tend to tell you to go fuck yourself in those cases.
If you dick with your phone while driving you deserve to lose your driving privilege. Don't punish passengers, nor drivers who use passengers as navcom.
The actions of the many often outweight the actions of the few. The problem is that 99.9% of the population are less safe because of cell phone distractions.
I'm not one of those people, I don't use my phone while driving. I often use it as a passenger as you've described, as does my wife. However, you, my wife, and I using it safely ... and all of slashdot too for that matter ... does not make a big enough dent statistically to even mention, so while I shouldn't have to give up my freedom to use it properly ... its impractical and ignorant to pretend you're going to solve this any other way. To top it off, it really isn't that important that you be able to use your phone while the car is moving. You will survive, just like everyone else did before cell phones existed.
Really? So you think the general population ... most of which are using their cell phones while driving are smart enough to make intelligent decisions themselves ... even though the whole reason this is being brought up is due to the overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
I'm an arrogant prick because the evidence says that people are too stupid to pay attention to the road?
Really?
Getting caught with your phone generally happens because you had a half finished text message on your phone when the fire department pulled your body out of the wreckage using the jaws of life. Its too late at that point, because you've already ran into my car and killed my child.
You do realize that people made road trips and had entertainment well before smart phones, tablets or even the Internet was invented, right?
You really will survive without it. Believe it or not, there was a time when there was no Internet at all! Yet, Human beings still made road trips, and raised their children without killing them. Even were capable of educating themselves.
I'm really not sure how the tablet your kid is staring at while you were focused on driving helped. You were focused on driving right? Or are you telling us that you are exactly the problem that needs correcting?
No, I'm not up for nut job ideas, and as I said, I normally wouldn't agree with this, but if my choice is to give up a little freedom in order to not be killed by the 300 million morons that are allowed to drive in this country, then I'll do it.
I'd rather be alive and slightly less free, than dead and anything. I'd rather not be less free, but the morons of the nation are scary to me than the loss of freedom.
In Principal, No.
In Practice, Yes.
It is worth restricting passengers in order to take out drivers. I would rather not be able to text as a passenger than worry about getting ran over by some 16 year old in Moms ton and a half SUV because 'OMFG Becky is not even hot'
What I want is for people to not fuck with their phones (or anything else!) while driving. Since that isn't something that people seem to be doing, and I care more about not getting ran over and killed by some ignorant jackass who's selfish ass thinks he can drive while staring down at his phone. In order to prevent that, I am MORE THAN WILLING to not use my phone as a passenger.
I don't really want to have hard restrictions imposed on the driver, but apparently we as Americans are too stupid to know that driving is dangerous and requires attention, so we have to impose such stupid restrictions on them. If theres some collateral damage, so be it.
I have to be alive for any of this to matter, so I'll take not getting ran over as my first choice. People did live before cell phones and gadgets, even took long trips and played games that actually helped the driver pay attention to the road at that!
As somone below pointed out the hot spot for your cars internet connection, again I must ask, why do you NEED an internet connection in your car? You don't. I have one, its cool as shit, my radio even runs Android so it has apps! I know not to try and dick with any of it when driving. Other people don't seem to be that intelligent, and telling them why its unsafe doesn't seem to be working.
Pissing off a few geeks is worth it.
And I don't mean NHTSA or DOT here, I mean We, The People.
The messed up part is not that they are doing this ... it's that we are so freaking stupid and selfish that they have to do this.
No one driving their own car is so important that they even need to take phone calls while driving, let alone texts or other crap. People who are that important have drivers and assistants.
Its very sad that we've gotten ourselves as a country to be so oblivious to the world around us that the government has to step in and come up with ways to keep us from being morons when we step into a deadly weapon.
You can debate gun laws since the injuries caused by guns and nut jobs are relatively few and far between, so its at least worth discussing both sides of the equation. Even in America, and its craziest gun tote'n parts (which I've lived in), few people carry guns daily. On the other hand, everyone drives, and almost everyone texts/talks while driving, which is WAY more dangerous. Just look at the energy ratio alone! Most gun owners are not nutjobs ... drivers on the other hand seem to think its part of the requirements for the job.
I would like to stand up and yell that this is a ridiculous invasion of my personal space. It is a ridiculous invasion of my personal space.
Unfortunately, I have to side with NHTSA since I'd rather have my personal space invaded by a law than I would have it invaded by someone's ton and a half SUV because they were texting some cat picture instead of driving.
What magical part of the world do you live in where there are no thieves? I'm seriously interested, I would love to live somewhere like that, but I'm fairly certain neither it nor Peter Pan actually exist.
...
Yet if your wallet shows up at a pawn shop ... we expect them to call the police.
If your watch or TV shows up at a pawn shop ... we expect them to call the police.
It is in fact a requirement in most states to check the police databases for everything they accept.
Guess what happens by doing that ... a lot less TVs and Watches are stolen.
Its not about getting it back, its about not getting it stolen. Making a stolen phone worthless makes committing robbery/assault/murder to get one a whole hell of a lot less worth while, doesn't it?
Getting it back is the last resort. I don't want to lose it in the first damn place.
Give this to the carriers? They already DO this. They just aren't sharing their databases. This is just about finally doing what should have been done 20 years ago.
A phone cut off from the network wont receive the wipe command from the MDM (Mobile Device Management).
Its as if this was rocket science or something ...
You know you can remote wipe it ... BEFORE they blacklist it ... right?
In Europe, if all German carriers block a stolen phone, they'll just hock it over the border in Poland.
Except they won't ... because they share the same database ... and thats the point, the US will be doing the same, and joining the GSM association database so that you can't take an American phone to Germany either.
This wont be that much harder from the US given things like Ebay and cheap international shipping. Also you're seriously underestimating the number of suckers out there who will buy "Cheap Iphone, Network unlocked (not lying)".
And Ebay will put an end to that when they get tired of refunding paypal transactions for stolen phones.
at least until they run out of minutes,
I'm fairly certain they aren't stealing TracPhones that often. Most people with phones worth stealing aren't paying by the minute. They have real accounts that don't run out of minutes.
And you fail at reading comprehension where he says ...
THAT THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT DOES EXACTLY WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT THE KILL SWITCH FOR.
Really, rather than 'mentioning' something, you should read what you're replying to.
Its not stealing if you leave your purse/jacket/backpack (backpack? WTF do you carry a backpack to the club for, fucking drug dealers don't even need to do that) unattended in the middle of a dark club. Its called teaching you a lesson in what happens when you act like a complete and total moron.
...
you seem to forget that they person who got their phone stolen isn't likely to go buy back their own phone. They're going to probably go buy the newest model.
The stolen phone goes to some cheap fuck who wouldn't buy a new one or a legitimate used one, and the original owner has to buy a new one.
Now you have 2 subscribers instead of one, and the purchase of 2 new phones, via the subscriber who actually pays for their own toys rather than buying them from the back of a van.
No key logger needed, just you using a web browser that does URL or search suggestions as you type in the URL or search box.
So unless you like your browser to behave like its 1999, they know a lot more than you realize.
Then you are in the wrong industry.
Being able to learn for yourself is kind of a requirement. Its not hard, and yes, anyone can do it ... assuming you're not lazy.
Fukishima was a minor venting of material to prevent an explosion within the pressure vessel.
Chernobyl was a steam explosion that ruptured the containment vessel and blasted radioactive graphite and fuel rods from the reactor into the atmosphere and onto the surrounding land, and to a lesser extent, the globe.
Fukishima was a bad day.
Chernobyl was a disaster.
They are on such different scales that its not even a little bit close.
Helicopters falling out of the sky into the sarcophagus
It didn't fall out of the sky, it flew into a crane.
You do realize that any thyroid cancer that developers as a result of radiation exposure at this plant won't develop for at least another 2, maybe 3 years ... right ...
I'll ignore the rest of the ignorance of your post, but for fucks sake, its like saying that some kid died in the desert because he drown in the pool at the hotel that hasn't even started being built yet.
See chernobyl ... yes, please do ... worst accident in nuclear history ... yet ... not really unsafe unless you were one of the poor bastards on site during the explosions or sacrificed to clean up.
Please find actual environmental damage at Chernobyl ... you won't. The environment surrounding the plant is undistinguishable from before. The animals are neither mutated, nor dying of cancer/radiation.
In fact ... it was so 'unsafe' that it was kept online and manned until recently ... now all reactors are offline, but there are still people on site and have been the entire time.
Congratulations, the media has educated you into ignorance.
They don't cost billions of dollars. It takes billions of dollars to get one built, that is an entirely different thing.
Most of the money in building a plant is not the plant ... its the paperwork, bribes and bonds ... to cover what you say the tax payers pay. Guess what industries do a big bunch of effort to make nuclear power seem unsafe?
You're a tool. You've let propoganda guide your thoughts rather than facts. Get some facts.
Okay, lets use Chernobyl as an example ... which was orders of magnitude worse in every way ... now go look at how many people that 'killed' or the 'damage it did to the environment' there ... 26 years is long enough to wait ... right?
Oh look, you can't freaking tell there was any sort of accident outside the people who basically stepped inside an active reactor (well, the insides were on the outsides due to the explosion).
Nuclear power ... even in a horrible meltdown ... isn't that freaking dangerous.
Chernobyl did far less damage to the environment from a radiation perspective than ANY coal plant you can find on the planet.
Go get educated about the realities of nuclear energy and stop being such a douche.