That's it! It's not like Word where I might be editing text or drawing a table, or manipulating an inserted image.
I've done all of those things, in my browser today. I am, in fact, editing text in my browser as I type this reply.
I inserted images and tables into a google doc, and made several formulas in google docs spreadsheet.
As for the what you tell your grandmother. Well, you tell her the same sort of thing, but using the new UI methodology. Its not hard really. 'click this icon, when it changes to XXX click on ZZZ and then enter your text in YYY.
Describing a icon might take you a few seconds longer, but she'll likely remember a picture better than the word anyway, so you may end up spending less time overall.
Commands which were second nature now require direct attention to find.
And that will remain true right up till the moment where you have used the new method long enough that it becomes second nature. If you give it a real effort, that would take you less than 2 weeks in most cases, if its something you use on a regular basis.
This argument about how different the ribbon are are just silly, its really just a menu with a different layout and using pictures instead of words.
What is it in the human psyche that insists on breaking things that work?
Some of us understand that change is a prerequisite for improvement?
If nothing ever changed, you, with your current knowledge, would likely find it very VERY difficult to survive in a world where humans didn't change things to make it better.
You wouldn't have language, or writing, or computers. Hell, we wouldn't even use any tools, as that was a change, brought into existence, thanks the to human psyche's need for changing things for the better.
In reality, Safari is no better than Chrome or Firefox in UI.
Thats because they are almost functionally identical. The do the same shit, of course they are close to the same. That doesn't change 'apple did it right', it just means 'google and mozilla did it right too'
iTunes is flat out terrible.
Citation need: Why is it terrible? $20 says I think whatever media player you use is terrible, and I don't even like iTunes.
And my iPhone drives me up the wall with usability problems.
Yep, its not perfect. But how does it compare to other phone UIs? Pretty damn good, which is why almost anyone can pick up an iPhone and use it, unlike many other phones I've come across.
You can hand someone an iPhone and within a couple of minutes they are using it (assuming you didn't pin lock it:)
but I'll take a good KDE desktop over OS X in a usability battle. Dolphin would kill Finder
No, it wouldn't, or Linux/KDE/Dolphin would be on every desktop thats running OS X instead of OS X and Finder. It may work fine for you, but as a general rule, people don't like it nearly as much as Windows/Explorer or OS X/Finder, there may be many reasons for that, but if Dolphin was a Finder 'killer', it would have a much larger market share than it actually does, lets try to stay realistic.
The ribbon may or may not be unproductive in general.
Your problem however is you are trying to say that the Ribbon is bad because when you use Office2k7 (which is rarely) you aren't as efficient with it as you are with Finance Excel 2003, which you use very often....
No shit? You can't use a tool that you use rarely as well as the tool you use constantly... because they are different...
Seriously? Thats your argument for why the Ribbon is bad? God at least spend the 30 seconds it takes to find the menu which is buried in the ribbon and almost identical to the way it was in previous versions.
Intuitive?? If by intuitive someone means that you can click on an icon or picture that you don't understand and it will do something then yes, it is intuitive.
You mean, exactly like with menu items? You make no examples of how a menu and the ribbon are different.
You claim its not intuitive, yet you found the Pivot table option. If it were unintutive, you wouldn't have found it. It is different, but still worked close enough to what you expected that you could still accomplish your task.
If you want to keep the old options, then use the old software. If you want the new software, accept it.
Do you go to buy a car, and tell them that when you bring in your trade in that they are going to have to put your old audio system in your new car because you don't want to have to learn or create new preset channels?
This is actually a point of contention among usability engineers.
No its not. They can not argue this. They can argue that it may or may not have accomplished that goal, but they really can't argue if it was the point or not. Well, they can, but since their job is to make things usable, not to play detective to figure out if MS is lying about its motivation for doing things, then they would be as retarded as the cop trying to design a UI for a cell phone.
You're entire argument is based on the concept that MS is lying about this. While MS's history is certainly on your side, the only people who believe irrational arguments like yours are people who really can't make decisions on their own anyway so you might as well just say 'I'm right, trust me, you agree with me'
I can tell you why the did it however. It was done so they could sell more copies of Office. That is, after all, the job of a for-profit company, you know, to make money, in this case by selling product.
In general, Citations are needed for your comments if you want people to by into it.
I've found that hitting F1 is a better starting point than just randomly looking through menu items, toolbars and task panes or whatever. Ribbon, menu, toolbar, whatever. Documentation can solve the problem.
Of course, again 99% of people don't have the motivation to read the documentation. Fortunately, again, only 1% will need/want/use the new features and that same group is likely to read documentation or know how to use a search engine.
You don't need to memorise a menu system, that's the whole point. The options you have are grouped according to their function, if you want to change the text colour try the "Formatting" menu, etc.
So, I guess you don't need to remember to associate 'change the text color' with the 'formatting' menu either?
You ARE memorizing the menu system. Perhaps not an exact mental image of where everything is, but you are memorizing what the main menus generally contain, and what some of those sub menus might contain.
With a toolbar the minimum is to learn what each picture means, and this is significant.
And what is a word, the text of a menu item? Is it not a picture with a specific pattern that we recognize to mean something specific. Do we not represent the word 'cut' using pixels... the same pixels we could use to represent a pair of scissors? The written word is an image.
Grouping the icons is essentially making menus without text.
I agree 100% I could not have said it better. The ribbon is just a menu without text, and a different orientation.
The way things "should be done" is the way people want them to be done and are used to them being done.
Wow... just fucking wow...
With that in mind, if we followed it, we would have no computers, we'd still do everything the old way, and by old way I mean we wouldn't do much anything at all, since you've basically removed 'learning' from the world.
Things do change, they can be improved, familiarity is important, but its not all important. As new things are learned, people can become familiar with the new way of doing things and take advantage benifits that could not be realized using the old familiar way of doing things.
What is BS is the fact that you got modded insightful by essentially saying 'learning is BS nonsense'
Humans are inheriently visual creatures, thats why we use 'windows' in our OSes, thats why we use 'Buttons' to represent on screen a virtual version of a physical object.
And there is just no reason to have to learn a new system when we have all already learned how to use menus.
Let me counter with an equally retarded statement:
There is no reason to learn how to generate electricity from coal, oil, nuclear fission, solar power, wind, or the sea. We already know how to capture it from lightning! We know how to gather electricity from lighting, why learn how to do it better/easier/faster/safer?
Doesn't that sound ludicrous?
Next... you can't accomplish in Word 2007 what you can in WordPad? Seriously? Did you start Word 2007 before you made that statement? I'm not used to the Ribbon either, I personally do not use word, but due to needing a text editor over the years, I've used wordpad far too much. I can not imagine it taking more than 15 minutes to find the duplicate of every button and menu item in Wordpad on the 2K7 ribbon. You aren't even trying, you're just throwing a tantrum because someone changed something and you don't feel you should be bothered with it, regardless of what benefits it may provide, very childish.
I'm going to have to assume the people you speak of... who think you are too dumb to use menus, are probably only partially wrong. You aren't too dumb to use menus, your just too bitchy to spend any effort on your own to keep up with the changing world and learn what may potentially be an improvement to the system so you just don't matter. You are going to whine and bitch regardless of improvements made, you really aren't that important to them as you can not be made happy with a 'new version' of the product as it will require you to learn new things.
The solution for you however, is VERY simple.
Don't upgrade. You won't have to learn how to use any new features and you will be happy with what you already have, and ignorant of what everyone else will have in the future. Remember, ignorance is bliss.
And the existing menus aren't? Have you looked at them and considered what they look like through the eyes of a grandmother who just wants to see pictures of little Billy on his birthday?
with everything getting roughly the same amount of visual play. Worse still, some things get more play just because they take more space to show.
Contridict yourself much? 'everythings the same but some things are different!$!@$!@$!OMG1'
But okay, I get your point, but it applies to the menu items, they are all roughly the same size, except the length of the text in the menu items differs because... words are different numbers of characters.
With the menu, some things may be buried a few levels deep, but at least it's highly organised and I can quickly figure out where to find things using common sense. In the long run this works out much better for me. Maybe it's different for users who are just encountering a computer for the first time or something.
The ribbon isn't your problem. Your problem is you think it sucks because you are unwilling to even give it a chance.
It may suck, but you'll never actually know because you're written it of for being different, even as you describe differences between it and menus that are actually similarities, not differences.
Try this: Actually USE IT for 2 weeks. Really force yourself to use it, without falling back to the old way. Just 2 weeks, it won't kill you, I promise, you don't do anything that important with your Word docs and Excel spreadsheets.
Looking at another one of your posts you say that with menus you can find something quickly, even if you don't know what it is. This is simply a lie. Its one you probably are completely unaware of making, but it is a lie none the less. You find menu items because you've seen the menus mean times and your mind makes a few educated guess based on what it remember seeing and guides you towards what you want without you realizing it.
Your entire argument really seems to center around familiarity, not actual usefulness or the ability of menus or the ribbon to fulfill its function.
You simply need to drop your prejudice and get familiar with the ribbon, I think you'll be amazed at what happens if you can do it.
SOme rivers in Tenesee are known to heat up to 80 degrees when the power plants operate a full power in summer.
So? The local lake where I live was 80 for the 3 months this summer. No place in TN can be more than a 100 miles north or south of my latitude so 80 can't be THAT bad.
As someone who currently uses VMWare products along side Hyper-V, if you are willing to walk out of your job because of this, you either are in an extremely specific situation that is so tailored to VMWare that it should take you all of 30 seconds to prove why only VMWare is an option... or... you're just a whiney little bitch.
VMware and Hyper-V while certainly different, they aren't so much so that there is any reason to walk out other than throwing a temper tantrum cause you didn't get your way. They both work, they both do the job they are supposed to do. They both have stengths and weaknesses, but neither of them has any strength that can't be accomplished indirectly with the other, and no weakness that can't be overcome indirectly.
If you're willing to walk out because of this choice, you probably don't have the skills to just walk into another job right now. Neither of them have a feature you can't do with a (sometimes hefty) script on the other.
So go ahead, walk out, they probably won't be that upset. Perhaps you should just accept that you don't always get your way, and its called 'work' for a reason.
(1) Rather than go with a superior solution, he is going with an inferior product delivering subpar performance and gigantic potential production impacts because he has a cozy relationship with Microsoft.
I can't see a performance difference that can't be tuned out.
Perhaps the problem is the admin and his/her lack of knowledge in the other product, not the products themselves.
Perhaps the cost savings from MS for using their products ( an advertising discount if you will) will more than make up for the learning curve.
You can call Phil a PHB all you want, but... are you responsible for anything near the level he is responsible for? The technically superior product NEVER wins in the market place because technical superiority isn't all that matters.
I believe that your approach is what "we" are already doing, and it hassn't worked very well.
Thats because 'we' are wrong. 'We' don't know what consumers want. 'We' want something different than they do and we push our own options on what 'we' come up with as what they want.
'We' need to actually do some real marketing if anyone expects the year of the Linux Desktop.
Problem is, no one is doing that, no business anyway. This leads me to think that every business out there with solid motivation to promote the Linux desktop to beat Microsoft isn't doing so because its not a replacement.
'We' need to stick with being geeks and leave the marketing to the marketers. Stop trying to do everything. Not everyone is going to be Bill Gates, but we don't need that quality of person, we just need to get everyone working together in a way to do better than he has.
if they have a strong enough machine, suggest a VirtualBox installation to get the one or two Windows apps they need. Yeah I know about Wine, but VirtualBox is a LOT slicker.
Fail.
Why not just run Wiindows? Why run twice as much when you can just use one. Why are you continuing to basically try to rape windows users by forcing Linux on them when its not up to the requirements for the job, and leaving them, in the end, still running windows with the exact same headaches as they already have.
And we can no longer afford to turn a blind eye to the injustices perpetuated by one group onto another.
Why? We've 'known' all along. We gave people the option of not being public about things they were going to get fucked with about. Right to privacy and all that, as you said.
We're not going to change just because people are inclined to publicize it. Its a nice theory to think we're all going to be accepting, but any scientist should be able to look at pretty much anything else in nature and notice it has some sort of predilection towards harming/preventing certain things, and enforcing/enabling/promoting others. We are nothing more than very complex chemical reactions, stop wasting your time trying to change that. Work on AI to replace us if you want to prevent it, then program the AI to be equal to all, until it too realizes that there are things to promote and things to prevent, and it starts down the same path as us. And much like us, sometimes it will be right, and sometimes it will be wrong, but its still going to do it.
You do realize most of the, for lack of a better description, 'arguments' against his comment you used, that many of them revolve around each other, and most of them are pure theory.
Look, I realize you can infer a lot of things about the universe via indirect observation. I also realize that when you pile several of these inferances together, many of them being pure theory with no proof and even the theories in serious debate, then you have to be a complete idiot to think 'you've got it right'
I know the media makes it worse by reporting on these things and 'dumbing it down' for the everyday person into something really misleading, but you don't have to actually do the math everytime, most of this stuff you can take a quick glance at and common sense will quickly let you know that these guys are talking out their ass and really don't have a better theory than I can come up with, even with all their knowledge.
Of course, man is never wrong, even when speculating. History has shown us how sciencists never get it wrong or rave on about outlandish theories.
And yes, dark matter and dark energy are just theories that a bunch of arrogant pricks pulled out of their asses to explain something they couldn't explain. Which is funny, because you say the same thing in the next sentence, just worded a little differently. The theories may be true, but they are still just something pulled out of the ass of some arrogant prick like yourself, to blinded by the religion they call science to think clearly.
When you have to attack people who don't believe your 'science' then you have a problem with your science and the fact that you're treating it like a religion. A scientist doesn't lash out when someone says they are full of shit, a scientist proves it.
So step up, prove the existence of dark matter and dark energy or kindly shut the hell up until you can.
A bunch of either flat out lies or exaggerations and sensationalizing about things that would be true for Linux if it were popular as well.
All OSes are susceptible to virii, if you don't think so, you're a moron. It crashes in my experience just as much as properly setup not dicked with or thrown together with random shitty hardware PC. You haven't actually had to reboot with windows software for years, although it may say you do, and that really isn't that big of a deal, its a rare event. XP runs on pretty much any hardware out there that people are still willing to use
Why are people still paying for their OS? A better question is when are you guys going to realize that the 'Linux way' or 'GPL way' depending how you want to word it today isnt' the only way, and may not actually be what people prefer, regardless of how great you think it is.
You want Linux for the masses? Start 'selling' people on the Linux THEY want, not the Linux that we nerds and geeks have created for ourselves. The general public is NOTHING like us. Until you realize that and adjust to it, Linux is going to remain a niche OS.
Personally, I'd appreciate it if it stayed a niche OS. I don't really look forward to having my favorite OS swarmed by idiots, nor do I want malware authors targeting it. Stop trying to beat Microsoft at a popularity contest, you aren't going to when, they greedy will beat you every single time, they have more money to throw at it. Beat them in the areas you can and move on, stop trying to do everything, otherwise you'll just end up like Windows and not be good at anything.
Yeah opt-in medical care without getting raped by health insurers, fuck me that's soooo unamerican!
I have opt-in medical care, living in america, and no one pays for my health insurance.
Its really not that hard to do.
Expecting someone else to take care of your lazy ass because you're too stupid to read the fine print or spend some of your own time figuring out what you're signing up for is rather unamerican.
You can change the medical situation in america without government intervention. Truth be told however, you'd rather sit there and do nothing and not make any effort yourself directly to change anything, which will result in everyone getting another shitty government ran mess.
I know people from other countries that have come to get american health care. I know of no one who has left to get health care. Just my own personal experience of course, but you'll have to pardon me if I take my real world experiences rather than that of someone on slashdot who is just whining about something they want someone else to do something about. Feel free to do the same yourself.
It's cute that Python to JavaScript translation is possible, but it's not going to help much on the performance front.
I agree, its very cute that some people are doing it.
But this better be a school project or something, otherwise its just a waste of resources, these guys are obviously talented. If they are still learning or this is just a side project for the hell of it, fine. But please, put the effort into some more useful projects if possible.
i would like to see a viable alternative language to javascript, just for variety's sake. It's just had layers of crap pasted on top of it since 1995 or whatever and it'd be nice to see a new approach that fits what people actually use it for these days.
Why? So in 2025 you can sit around talking about the new language thats fills its roll perfectly but isn't to your liking and wasn't the perfect vision you thought it would be 15 years ago? Javascript has barely changed in the last 15 years. The environment that javascript deals with has changed a lot, but the language, not so much. Any language (or more appropriately put, any environment) that has 15 years of patches for an environment that changes rapidly is going to look and feel the same, regardless of if it starts off with your precious languages or not.
Here is reality for you developers of the world, if you think your language is better than all the rest, or some other language should go away, then you are a shitty programmer. The language does not make the programmer, the programmer does. If you find a language/environment difficult to use, you are the shitty part of the equation. Languages are just that, languages. They describe things. You are the one that has to figure out how to describe what you want, if you can't do that, the language or environment isn't the problem, you are.
Stop blaming JS for you being a shitty developer who can only parrot things out in whatever language you learned from your CS professor.
What? Contrary to what the story says, the US doesn't really prevent export of cryptography software anymore, haven't for years. A clue would be useful for you at this point.
Now lets look... doesn't stop export of crypto... everyone has it.
Stops export of nuclear research and materials... not everyone has it, in fact very few do, most of which were our allies at one point.
I'm sorry wtf was your retarded point? I'm guessing you were trying to imply that we can't stop the world from finding out how to make nukes? Do you not watch the news? Countries are happy to show the world when they detonate their first bomb, theres a reason you still hear about people doing it, its not in everyones hands yet.
Maybe you should compare nukes to something that matches them appropriately, like say ICBM technology.
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I've done all of those things, in my browser today. I am, in fact, editing text in my browser as I type this reply.
I inserted images and tables into a google doc, and made several formulas in google docs spreadsheet.
As for the what you tell your grandmother. Well, you tell her the same sort of thing, but using the new UI methodology. Its not hard really. 'click this icon, when it changes to XXX click on ZZZ and then enter your text in YYY.
Describing a icon might take you a few seconds longer, but she'll likely remember a picture better than the word anyway, so you may end up spending less time overall.
And that will remain true right up till the moment where you have used the new method long enough that it becomes second nature. If you give it a real effort, that would take you less than 2 weeks in most cases, if its something you use on a regular basis.
This argument about how different the ribbon are are just silly, its really just a menu with a different layout and using pictures instead of words.
Some of us understand that change is a prerequisite for improvement?
If nothing ever changed, you, with your current knowledge, would likely find it very VERY difficult to survive in a world where humans didn't change things to make it better.
You wouldn't have language, or writing, or computers. Hell, we wouldn't even use any tools, as that was a change, brought into existence, thanks the to human psyche's need for changing things for the better.
Thats because they are almost functionally identical. The do the same shit, of course they are close to the same. That doesn't change 'apple did it right', it just means 'google and mozilla did it right too'
Citation need: Why is it terrible? $20 says I think whatever media player you use is terrible, and I don't even like iTunes.
Yep, its not perfect. But how does it compare to other phone UIs? Pretty damn good, which is why almost anyone can pick up an iPhone and use it, unlike many other phones I've come across.
You can hand someone an iPhone and within a couple of minutes they are using it (assuming you didn't pin lock it :)
No, it wouldn't, or Linux/KDE/Dolphin would be on every desktop thats running OS X instead of OS X and Finder. It may work fine for you, but as a general rule, people don't like it nearly as much as Windows/Explorer or OS X/Finder, there may be many reasons for that, but if Dolphin was a Finder 'killer', it would have a much larger market share than it actually does, lets try to stay realistic.
The ribbon may or may not be unproductive in general.
Your problem however is you are trying to say that the Ribbon is bad because when you use Office2k7 (which is rarely) you aren't as efficient with it as you are with Finance Excel 2003, which you use very often. ...
No shit? You can't use a tool that you use rarely as well as the tool you use constantly ... because they are different ...
Seriously? Thats your argument for why the Ribbon is bad? God at least spend the 30 seconds it takes to find the menu which is buried in the ribbon and almost identical to the way it was in previous versions.
You mean, exactly like with menu items? You make no examples of how a menu and the ribbon are different.
You claim its not intuitive, yet you found the Pivot table option. If it were unintutive, you wouldn't have found it. It is different, but still worked close enough to what you expected that you could still accomplish your task.
If you want to keep the old options, then use the old software. If you want the new software, accept it.
Do you go to buy a car, and tell them that when you bring in your trade in that they are going to have to put your old audio system in your new car because you don't want to have to learn or create new preset channels?
No its not. They can not argue this. They can argue that it may or may not have accomplished that goal, but they really can't argue if it was the point or not. Well, they can, but since their job is to make things usable, not to play detective to figure out if MS is lying about its motivation for doing things, then they would be as retarded as the cop trying to design a UI for a cell phone.
You're entire argument is based on the concept that MS is lying about this. While MS's history is certainly on your side, the only people who believe irrational arguments like yours are people who really can't make decisions on their own anyway so you might as well just say 'I'm right, trust me, you agree with me'
I can tell you why the did it however. It was done so they could sell more copies of Office. That is, after all, the job of a for-profit company, you know, to make money, in this case by selling product.
In general, Citations are needed for your comments if you want people to by into it.
I've found that hitting F1 is a better starting point than just randomly looking through menu items, toolbars and task panes or whatever. Ribbon, menu, toolbar, whatever. Documentation can solve the problem.
Of course, again 99% of people don't have the motivation to read the documentation. Fortunately, again, only 1% will need/want/use the new features and that same group is likely to read documentation or know how to use a search engine.
So, I guess you don't need to remember to associate 'change the text color' with the 'formatting' menu either?
You ARE memorizing the menu system. Perhaps not an exact mental image of where everything is, but you are memorizing what the main menus generally contain, and what some of those sub menus might contain.
And what is a word, the text of a menu item? Is it not a picture with a specific pattern that we recognize to mean something specific. Do we not represent the word 'cut' using pixels... the same pixels we could use to represent a pair of scissors? The written word is an image.
Grouping the icons is essentially making menus without text.
I agree 100% I could not have said it better. The ribbon is just a menu without text, and a different orientation.
Wow ... just fucking wow ...
With that in mind, if we followed it, we would have no computers, we'd still do everything the old way, and by old way I mean we wouldn't do much anything at all, since you've basically removed 'learning' from the world.
Things do change, they can be improved, familiarity is important, but its not all important. As new things are learned, people can become familiar with the new way of doing things and take advantage benifits that could not be realized using the old familiar way of doing things.
What is BS is the fact that you got modded insightful by essentially saying 'learning is BS nonsense'
Humans are inheriently visual creatures, thats why we use 'windows' in our OSes, thats why we use 'Buttons' to represent on screen a virtual version of a physical object.
Let me counter with an equally retarded statement:
Doesn't that sound ludicrous?
Next ... you can't accomplish in Word 2007 what you can in WordPad? Seriously? Did you start Word 2007 before you made that statement? I'm not used to the Ribbon either, I personally do not use word, but due to needing a text editor over the years, I've used wordpad far too much. I can not imagine it taking more than 15 minutes to find the duplicate of every button and menu item in Wordpad on the 2K7 ribbon. You aren't even trying, you're just throwing a tantrum because someone changed something and you don't feel you should be bothered with it, regardless of what benefits it may provide, very childish.
I'm going to have to assume the people you speak of ... who think you are too dumb to use menus, are probably only partially wrong. You aren't too dumb to use menus, your just too bitchy to spend any effort on your own to keep up with the changing world and learn what may potentially be an improvement to the system so you just don't matter. You are going to whine and bitch regardless of improvements made, you really aren't that important to them as you can not be made happy with a 'new version' of the product as it will require you to learn new things.
The solution for you however, is VERY simple.
Don't upgrade. You won't have to learn how to use any new features and you will be happy with what you already have, and ignorant of what everyone else will have in the future. Remember, ignorance is bliss.
And the existing menus aren't? Have you looked at them and considered what they look like through the eyes of a grandmother who just wants to see pictures of little Billy on his birthday?
Contridict yourself much? 'everythings the same but some things are different!$!@$!@$!OMG1'
But okay, I get your point, but it applies to the menu items, they are all roughly the same size, except the length of the text in the menu items differs because ... words are different numbers of characters.
The ribbon isn't your problem. Your problem is you think it sucks because you are unwilling to even give it a chance.
It may suck, but you'll never actually know because you're written it of for being different, even as you describe differences between it and menus that are actually similarities, not differences.
Try this:
Actually USE IT for 2 weeks. Really force yourself to use it, without falling back to the old way. Just 2 weeks, it won't kill you, I promise, you don't do anything that important with your Word docs and Excel spreadsheets.
Looking at another one of your posts you say that with menus you can find something quickly, even if you don't know what it is. This is simply a lie. Its one you probably are completely unaware of making, but it is a lie none the less. You find menu items because you've seen the menus mean times and your mind makes a few educated guess based on what it remember seeing and guides you towards what you want without you realizing it.
Your entire argument really seems to center around familiarity, not actual usefulness or the ability of menus or the ribbon to fulfill its function.
You simply need to drop your prejudice and get familiar with the ribbon, I think you'll be amazed at what happens if you can do it.
So? The local lake where I live was 80 for the 3 months this summer. No place in TN can be more than a 100 miles north or south of my latitude so 80 can't be THAT bad.
As someone who currently uses VMWare products along side Hyper-V, if you are willing to walk out of your job because of this, you either are in an extremely specific situation that is so tailored to VMWare that it should take you all of 30 seconds to prove why only VMWare is an option ... or ... you're just a whiney little bitch.
VMware and Hyper-V while certainly different, they aren't so much so that there is any reason to walk out other than throwing a temper tantrum cause you didn't get your way. They both work, they both do the job they are supposed to do. They both have stengths and weaknesses, but neither of them has any strength that can't be accomplished indirectly with the other, and no weakness that can't be overcome indirectly.
If you're willing to walk out because of this choice, you probably don't have the skills to just walk into another job right now. Neither of them have a feature you can't do with a (sometimes hefty) script on the other.
So go ahead, walk out, they probably won't be that upset. Perhaps you should just accept that you don't always get your way, and its called 'work' for a reason.
Citation needed. Anecdotal evidence doesn't count.
I use both in production.
I prefer VMWare.
I can't see a performance difference that can't be tuned out.
Perhaps the problem is the admin and his/her lack of knowledge in the other product, not the products themselves.
Perhaps the cost savings from MS for using their products ( an advertising discount if you will) will more than make up for the learning curve.
You can call Phil a PHB all you want, but ... are you responsible for anything near the level he is responsible for? The technically superior product NEVER wins in the market place because technical superiority isn't all that matters.
So when Linux includes extra bloat in a default install, thats OK.
When Microsoft does it, they are abusing a monopoly ...
No double standard there or anything.
Thats because 'we' are wrong. 'We' don't know what consumers want. 'We' want something different than they do and we push our own options on what 'we' come up with as what they want.
'We' need to actually do some real marketing if anyone expects the year of the Linux Desktop.
Problem is, no one is doing that, no business anyway. This leads me to think that every business out there with solid motivation to promote the Linux desktop to beat Microsoft isn't doing so because its not a replacement.
'We' need to stick with being geeks and leave the marketing to the marketers. Stop trying to do everything. Not everyone is going to be Bill Gates, but we don't need that quality of person, we just need to get everyone working together in a way to do better than he has.
Fail.
Why not just run Wiindows? Why run twice as much when you can just use one. Why are you continuing to basically try to rape windows users by forcing Linux on them when its not up to the requirements for the job, and leaving them, in the end, still running windows with the exact same headaches as they already have.
Where is the logic in this?
Why? We've 'known' all along. We gave people the option of not being public about things they were going to get fucked with about. Right to privacy and all that, as you said.
We're not going to change just because people are inclined to publicize it. Its a nice theory to think we're all going to be accepting, but any scientist should be able to look at pretty much anything else in nature and notice it has some sort of predilection towards harming/preventing certain things, and enforcing/enabling/promoting others. We are nothing more than very complex chemical reactions, stop wasting your time trying to change that. Work on AI to replace us if you want to prevent it, then program the AI to be equal to all, until it too realizes that there are things to promote and things to prevent, and it starts down the same path as us. And much like us, sometimes it will be right, and sometimes it will be wrong, but its still going to do it.
You do realize most of the, for lack of a better description, 'arguments' against his comment you used, that many of them revolve around each other, and most of them are pure theory.
Look, I realize you can infer a lot of things about the universe via indirect observation. I also realize that when you pile several of these inferances together, many of them being pure theory with no proof and even the theories in serious debate, then you have to be a complete idiot to think 'you've got it right'
I know the media makes it worse by reporting on these things and 'dumbing it down' for the everyday person into something really misleading, but you don't have to actually do the math everytime, most of this stuff you can take a quick glance at and common sense will quickly let you know that these guys are talking out their ass and really don't have a better theory than I can come up with, even with all their knowledge.
Of course, man is never wrong, even when speculating. History has shown us how sciencists never get it wrong or rave on about outlandish theories.
And yes, dark matter and dark energy are just theories that a bunch of arrogant pricks pulled out of their asses to explain something they couldn't explain. Which is funny, because you say the same thing in the next sentence, just worded a little differently. The theories may be true, but they are still just something pulled out of the ass of some arrogant prick like yourself, to blinded by the religion they call science to think clearly.
When you have to attack people who don't believe your 'science' then you have a problem with your science and the fact that you're treating it like a religion. A scientist doesn't lash out when someone says they are full of shit, a scientist proves it.
So step up, prove the existence of dark matter and dark energy or kindly shut the hell up until you can.
So basically, they mad a boring Mac ad?
A bunch of either flat out lies or exaggerations and sensationalizing about things that would be true for Linux if it were popular as well.
All OSes are susceptible to virii, if you don't think so, you're a moron. It crashes in my experience just as much as properly setup not dicked with or thrown together with random shitty hardware PC. You haven't actually had to reboot with windows software for years, although it may say you do, and that really isn't that big of a deal, its a rare event. XP runs on pretty much any hardware out there that people are still willing to use
Why are people still paying for their OS? A better question is when are you guys going to realize that the 'Linux way' or 'GPL way' depending how you want to word it today isnt' the only way, and may not actually be what people prefer, regardless of how great you think it is.
You want Linux for the masses? Start 'selling' people on the Linux THEY want, not the Linux that we nerds and geeks have created for ourselves. The general public is NOTHING like us. Until you realize that and adjust to it, Linux is going to remain a niche OS.
Personally, I'd appreciate it if it stayed a niche OS. I don't really look forward to having my favorite OS swarmed by idiots, nor do I want malware authors targeting it. Stop trying to beat Microsoft at a popularity contest, you aren't going to when, they greedy will beat you every single time, they have more money to throw at it. Beat them in the areas you can and move on, stop trying to do everything, otherwise you'll just end up like Windows and not be good at anything.
I have opt-in medical care, living in america, and no one pays for my health insurance.
Its really not that hard to do.
Expecting someone else to take care of your lazy ass because you're too stupid to read the fine print or spend some of your own time figuring out what you're signing up for is rather unamerican.
You can change the medical situation in america without government intervention. Truth be told however, you'd rather sit there and do nothing and not make any effort yourself directly to change anything, which will result in everyone getting another shitty government ran mess.
I know people from other countries that have come to get american health care. I know of no one who has left to get health care. Just my own personal experience of course, but you'll have to pardon me if I take my real world experiences rather than that of someone on slashdot who is just whining about something they want someone else to do something about. Feel free to do the same yourself.
I agree, its very cute that some people are doing it.
But this better be a school project or something, otherwise its just a waste of resources, these guys are obviously talented. If they are still learning or this is just a side project for the hell of it, fine. But please, put the effort into some more useful projects if possible.
Why? So in 2025 you can sit around talking about the new language thats fills its roll perfectly but isn't to your liking and wasn't the perfect vision you thought it would be 15 years ago? Javascript has barely changed in the last 15 years. The environment that javascript deals with has changed a lot, but the language, not so much. Any language (or more appropriately put, any environment) that has 15 years of patches for an environment that changes rapidly is going to look and feel the same, regardless of if it starts off with your precious languages or not.
Here is reality for you developers of the world, if you think your language is better than all the rest, or some other language should go away, then you are a shitty programmer. The language does not make the programmer, the programmer does. If you find a language/environment difficult to use, you are the shitty part of the equation. Languages are just that, languages. They describe things. You are the one that has to figure out how to describe what you want, if you can't do that, the language or environment isn't the problem, you are.
Stop blaming JS for you being a shitty developer who can only parrot things out in whatever language you learned from your CS professor.
What? Contrary to what the story says, the US doesn't really prevent export of cryptography software anymore, haven't for years. A clue would be useful for you at this point.
Now lets look ... doesn't stop export of crypto ... everyone has it.
Stops export of nuclear research and materials ... not everyone has it, in fact very few do, most of which were our allies at one point.
I'm sorry wtf was your retarded point? I'm guessing you were trying to imply that we can't stop the world from finding out how to make nukes? Do you not watch the news? Countries are happy to show the world when they detonate their first bomb, theres a reason you still hear about people doing it, its not in everyones hands yet.
Maybe you should compare nukes to something that matches them appropriately, like say ICBM technology.
The export restrictions were lifted in the late 90s guys, they haven't cared for the past 10 years.
How the hell did they manage to the get the open source NSS module FIPS certified without anyone at all knowing the export restrictions went away.
And just curious, does not one remember that at one point they had to have a page up to make sure exports weren't out of the country?
Seriously, why is this news 10 years after the law changed?