A better analogy would be 'as if Honda permanently built their Honda frame into their cars so you couldn't cut out the frame of your car and replace it with a Chevrolet frame.'
All the angst about IE being a permanent part of Windows is so ridiculous, as is the ANGER people feel when IE opens due to some application calling it.
Use Mozilla (it is a far superior browser) when it's your choice. When some third party app directly links to IE mellow out and stop ranting.
Yes, but you're completely missing the fact that Netscape planned to dominate and own the whole Webspace.
Now they can't any longer. All those proprietary HTML extensions that they came up with that only they intended to use to lock users into their servers... All gone.
I don't feel Microsoft should 'own' the webspace, but I'm not certain Netscape should have been allowed to, either.
Mankind is creative. I am certain that in two hundred years or so, there will be a vast number of creative ways to use old CD disks.
I kind of think that in a few centuries that we'll be strip-mining the landfills, which will be considered to be repositories of stored resources.
Our decendents may be saying 'I wish they'd stored more of that petroleum away in the form of plastic, and burned less of it making those useless 'corn' CDs.'
The schmuck doesn't have to convince you. All he has to do is convince the media producers to only put out their content on these degradable CDs.
And they have a vested interest in doing so. Do you think Warner Brothers wants me to be able to play 30 year old records? No. They'd prefer I bought new copies.
And since the average joe, who doesn't feel guilt about sitting in the drive through of McDonalds is the main customer, nobody much will care.
But let's get over the notion that it's about 'saving the environment.'
The real peril of long-lasting CDs is the 'install base' of them. And the threat is to the marketing people who want to sell them to us over, and over, and over again.
Me, I like permanent and/or long-lasting recordings of music and other forms of entertainment. When I buy a CD or a vinyl LP, it's probably going to last my lifetime and more.
But if you just listen to whatever 'pop music' is being marketed at any particular time, it's probably just as well that your discs become unlistenable in a decade or so.
Something about ramming lawyers down our throats. Propaganda, scare tactics. You know, all that stuff that's 'bad' when it's done by a pastor on Sunday morning, but good when it's done for the 'right cause.'
Actually, 'Godwin's Law' was meant to apply to those week, month, even year-long USENET discussion threads. The ones that would not die.
It doesn't apply well to forums like this where no discussion ever goes on for longer than a day or two.
There's some sort of corallary that could be established about people who try to invoke 'Godwin's Law' that should be codified. Something like a participant's relevance to a discussion ends when they start babbling about 'Godwin's Law.'
Well, actually the ACLU is a political body that chooses to have an interpretation of the constitution. Then they strive to enforce that interpretation, regardless of how the constitutional bodies duly appointed to interpret said document act.
They're sort of a 'let's do an end-run around the established checks and balances' organization. Which contracts the whole notion that they're in favor of the rights establised by the constitution.
There are other groups, pulling at things from various other points-of-view. Some of them are even as self-righteous as the ACLU.
Somehow it was always implied that there must be some other filthy reason for them not to be gung-ho about letting the super power go vigilante, than their general aversion to war.
It's not implied. The hard evidence shows that they've materially supported the Iraqi dictatorship for years. Up until the very end. French links are all over the munitions and sanctioned materials in Iraq.
Dilbert is so old and tired, I can't help but feel that anybody who still follows that strip could spend their time in a better way.
I used to have a boss who was into Dilbert and she had her cube all decked out with the Dilbert saying, slogans, and novelties. Know how that makes you feel? You start to feel like 'Dilbert' is a convenient scapegoat, to encourage compacency and cynicism. Sort of a 'grin and bear it' thing, when we really shouldn't necessarily just grin and bear it.
The 'Dilbert' attitude is corrosive and cynical. We're capable of so much more. Scott Adam's jokes are all old tired cliches by this point in time.
But he's still got money to make in the franchise.
Buy that book? To hell with that anyway. I've got higher priority book purchases than this thing. I got the O'Reilly 'Running Weblogs with Slash' book on Thursday at Half-Price books for $4.95. I just used wget to scarf down the HTML version off rayboy's website. The URL is here.
Every 'true' Unix box that I own (Sun Sparcs, IBM RS/6000's, an SGI Indigo 2) has a proprietary X Server, that runs really well, and links into graphical resources that are hidden and closed source. NONE of the really good features of the framebuffers on those machines are taken advantage of with any of the freenixes. Because the Unix-based hardware vendors will not release the information needed to add to Xfree or any of the other Open Source X servers.
So, for instance, if I want to run dual headed 24 bit framebuffers on my SparcStation 10SX (which has really great dual 24 bit framebuffers built in) I have to use Solaris and reduce the machine to an X Terminal. Use NetBSD and I've got 8 bit color.
There's little at all 'open' about commercial UNIX except interconnectivity outside-the-box and the fact that they all run OSes that evolved from a common code base.
Furthermore, the Cathederal and the Bazaar essay was written as a criticism of the GNU Emacs development team. They were the 'Cathederal' programmers being criticized.
The real history of the CATB essay seems to have been obscured and/or just forgotten by many people, however.
How is a Windows NT box with a third party shell/interpreter like tcsh or python installed on it any different from a Linux box with a third party shell like tcsh or python installed on it?
Linux, for that matter, doesn't have anything in it that isn't third-party. So be careful about limiting what's allowable to consider 'included' or you'll end up having to write all your scripts using init(8) to run directly on the kernal.
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Microsoft has a monopoly on stores?
Hell. They don't even have a monopoly on browsers.
Mozilla is a better browser. Release 1.5 rules. I can't see ever going back to IE on my computer.
Ummm, they don't have a monopoly.
A better analogy would be 'as if Honda permanently built their Honda frame into their cars so you couldn't cut out the frame of your car and replace it with a Chevrolet frame.'
All the angst about IE being a permanent part of Windows is so ridiculous, as is the ANGER people feel when IE opens due to some application calling it.
Use Mozilla (it is a far superior browser) when it's your choice. When some third party app directly links to IE mellow out and stop ranting.
Yes, but you're completely missing the fact that Netscape planned to dominate and own the whole Webspace.
Now they can't any longer. All those proprietary HTML extensions that they came up with that only they intended to use to lock users into their servers... All gone.
I don't feel Microsoft should 'own' the webspace, but I'm not certain Netscape should have been allowed to, either.
Where does one get tin foil in this day and age?
Everywhere that I look, they sell aluminum foil. Anybody have an actual source for tin foil?
Yes. Right after I posted that comment I realized 'gah! you just posted a self-referential comment, there.'
Mankind is creative. I am certain that in two hundred years or so, there will be a vast number of creative ways to use old CD disks.
I kind of think that in a few centuries that we'll be strip-mining the landfills, which will be considered to be repositories of stored resources.
Our decendents may be saying 'I wish they'd stored more of that petroleum away in the form of plastic, and burned less of it making those useless 'corn' CDs.'
The schmuck doesn't have to convince you. All he has to do is convince the media producers to only put out their content on these degradable CDs.
And they have a vested interest in doing so. Do you think Warner Brothers wants me to be able to play 30 year old records? No. They'd prefer I bought new copies.
And since the average joe, who doesn't feel guilt about sitting in the drive through of McDonalds is the main customer, nobody much will care.
But let's get over the notion that it's about 'saving the environment.'
The real peril of long-lasting CDs is the 'install base' of them. And the threat is to the marketing people who want to sell them to us over, and over, and over again.
Me, I like permanent and/or long-lasting recordings of music and other forms of entertainment. When I buy a CD or a vinyl LP, it's probably going to last my lifetime and more.
But if you just listen to whatever 'pop music' is being marketed at any particular time, it's probably just as well that your discs become unlistenable in a decade or so.
Something about ramming lawyers down our throats. Propaganda, scare tactics. You know, all that stuff that's 'bad' when it's done by a pastor on Sunday morning, but good when it's done for the 'right cause.'
Now, there will be predictable opposition to the use of taxation to achieve any ends, but IMHO it is justified in this case.
Where have I heard that broken record before?
Actually, 'Godwin's Law' was meant to apply to those week, month, even year-long USENET discussion threads. The ones that would not die.
It doesn't apply well to forums like this where no discussion ever goes on for longer than a day or two.
There's some sort of corallary that could be established about people who try to invoke 'Godwin's Law' that should be codified. Something like a participant's relevance to a discussion ends when they start babbling about 'Godwin's Law.'
Well, actually the ACLU is a political body that chooses to have an interpretation of the constitution. Then they strive to enforce that interpretation, regardless of how the constitutional bodies duly appointed to interpret said document act.
They're sort of a 'let's do an end-run around the established checks and balances' organization. Which contracts the whole notion that they're in favor of the rights establised by the constitution.
There are other groups, pulling at things from various other points-of-view. Some of them are even as self-righteous as the ACLU.
Unless your name is 'Call Me Black Cloud' and it says that on your ID, you're only one thin layer removed from 'Anonymous Coward.'
Or werent' you aware that you're operating under a psuedonym? Hell, you don't even have contact info displayed on your account.
Somehow it was always implied that there must be some other filthy reason for them not to be gung-ho about letting the super power go vigilante, than their general aversion to war.
It's not implied. The hard evidence shows that they've materially supported the Iraqi dictatorship for years. Up until the very end. French links are all over the munitions and sanctioned materials in Iraq.
Dilbert is so old and tired, I can't help but feel that anybody who still follows that strip could spend their time in a better way.
I used to have a boss who was into Dilbert and she had her cube all decked out with the Dilbert saying, slogans, and novelties. Know how that makes you feel? You start to feel like 'Dilbert' is a convenient scapegoat, to encourage compacency and cynicism. Sort of a 'grin and bear it' thing, when we really shouldn't necessarily just grin and bear it.
The 'Dilbert' attitude is corrosive and cynical. We're capable of so much more. Scott Adam's jokes are all old tired cliches by this point in time.
But he's still got money to make in the franchise.
No, it was just offered to wingnuts of various stripes to use as a ranting opportunity.
There's not a 'both sides' to these issues. There's one big stupid bird, called government. It requires a left and a right wing to fly.
That's not what he told Netscape. The "Cathederal" was Microsoft.
The gentle way of putting it is to say 'he must have forgotten his original context.'
Buy that book? To hell with that anyway. I've got higher priority book purchases than this thing. I got the O'Reilly 'Running Weblogs with Slash' book on Thursday at Half-Price books for $4.95. I just used wget to scarf down the HTML version off rayboy's website. The URL is here.
My Powerbook 165c has a SCSI drive in it.
It's not a very fast machine, though.
I am guessing this book is going to be in the bookstores for a long long time.
At least until they're remaindered or pulped, one would think....
Every 'true' Unix box that I own (Sun Sparcs, IBM RS/6000's, an SGI Indigo 2) has a proprietary X Server, that runs really well, and links into graphical resources that are hidden and closed source. NONE of the really good features of the framebuffers on those machines are taken advantage of with any of the freenixes. Because the Unix-based hardware vendors will not release the information needed to add to Xfree or any of the other Open Source X servers.
So, for instance, if I want to run dual headed 24 bit framebuffers on my SparcStation 10SX (which has really great dual 24 bit framebuffers built in) I have to use Solaris and reduce the machine to an X Terminal. Use NetBSD and I've got 8 bit color.
There's little at all 'open' about commercial UNIX except interconnectivity outside-the-box and the fact that they all run OSes that evolved from a common code base.
The Mozilla code base is a fine piece of work. And it will remain useful for a long, long time.
I wouldn't say ESR has anything to do with that one way or the other, but please don't show your ignorance by denigrating it.
The CATB essay was a polemic aimed at the GNU Emacs development team, by the way. They were the 'Cathederal' developers Raymond was chiding.
Naw, he's just a bitter Amiga zealot.
Says so downstream in the comments.
Amiga zealots are red-star members of the ABM (anything but Microsoft) brigade. Which is the vanguard of the Slashbots.
Furthermore, the Cathederal and the Bazaar essay was written as a criticism of the GNU Emacs development team. They were the 'Cathederal' programmers being criticized.
The real history of the CATB essay seems to have been obscured and/or just forgotten by many people, however.
the point was a comparison of the native CLI
How is a Windows NT box with a third party shell/interpreter like tcsh or python installed on it any different from a Linux box with a third party shell like tcsh or python installed on it?
Linux, for that matter, doesn't have anything in it that isn't third-party. So be careful about limiting what's allowable to consider 'included' or you'll end up having to write all your scripts using init(8) to run directly on the kernal.