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Dilbert Readers Rat Out Some Weasels
colinmc151 writes "Well, Dilbert's Way of the Weasel Poll Results are in, with 35,874 people voting. Weaseliest Organization was won by the Recording Industry Association of America. Weaseliest Company was won by Microsoft. The Weaseliest Individual award was won by George W. Bush. Weaseliest Profession went to Politicians. Weaseliest Country went to France. Weaseliest Behavior was 'Blaming fast food restaurants for making you fat.' Congratulations to all the deserving winners."
they knew the war was a fake and they stuck to their stance while UK/USA continue to evade and dodge the truth
id say France was far from being the weasalist country, but making it the USA or UK would be un-patriotic right ?
Agreed with all results.
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion, America.. but then I look at the list of winners and sigh with relief.
slashdot?
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You know, people with an axe to grind really look stupid when they hand out "awards" like this.
Sounds like this outfit deserved the award they were handing out most of all.
i voted. and most of the ones i picked were chosen. i love dilbert!
Slashdot editors have been voted weasiliest journalists for posting the exact e-mails they got, line for line, and forgetting that everyone here is already a member of the DNRC and got the results in their E-Mail.
When life gives you crap, Make Crapade.
Sluggy Freelance.
Who could choose between lawyers and politicians. Hmm, most politicians are lawyers. Hmmm......
How did the ACLU end up more weasly than the GOP? Shows who reads dilbert I guess. Matt
Doesn't it seem interesting that they were are all the stereotypical, most well known weasels?
In all honesty, Wal-Mart should have made the list for weaseliest company.
Paying works at the poverty level, destroying mom-n-pop shops.
They've got my vote.
This has nothing to do with anything remotely Slashdot related, but I need to do something before my head explodes...
As I type this, my roomate and my best friend/recent lover are fucking in the next room over. WHAT THE FUCK. After 10 years of friendship and built-up sexual tension, we finally hooked up and now less than a week later she's banging my roomate. I am so fucking incensed right now I can't think straight. I wouldn't mind if they went to a hotel or otherwise didn't make it known, but she just FUCKING WALKED PAST MY ROOM TOPLESS AND SHUT THE DOOR IN MY FUCKING FACE. How fucking insensitive can you be?!
This sucks. It's 3AM and I'm telling strangers (GEEK strangers, no less) about my personal problems. I am a big pussy and will most likely not say anything to either one of them so I expect this to go on for a while. Fuck.
Feeling low? There's someone else out there that's having a worse day than you. Trust me.
Weasels in local zoos began protesting after slanderous survey compared them to the likes of Microsoft, GW-Bush, and the RIAA.
One outraged animal was quoted as saying "enough's enough, man! We've been portrayed negatively throughout history but this is pretty low."
Retarded as usual
-CorKy
...election results that I can finally feel good about. I live in California and I had been wondering why I always thought democracy was a good idea.
State obesity rates nearly epidemic
Obesity predicted for 40% of America
Severe obesity on the increase in US
but OH NO fast food has NOTHING to do with it, right ?
It would be interesting to find out how many
oh yeah, and Bwahahahahahahahahaa
Oh well, no point in steering now.
But then I'm neither a republican or democrat. I find it interesting that Dubya won his category. I had no idea public opinion of him was so low.
For every annoying gentoo user, are three even more annoying anti-gentoo crybabies. Take Yosh from #Gimp for example.
Indeed, how can they label Bush as a known weasel, thus indicating his "war on terrorism" is at least in great part a sham, and still bash the french?
I'm assuming that it's a statement apart from current war-related issues, since the french were often bashed before anyhow.
the weaseliest of them all -
used car dealers
television evangelists
Slashdot editors
George W Bush has done more good for this country than any president has in the past 225 years. It's time for you shit heads to learn this.
Next time you un-patriotic motherfuckers get out there are start protesting Iraq or the PATRIOT act or whatever, I hope the cops bash your skulls in!
Interociter
-=What do I want? I'm an American. I want more.
Weaseliest Organization - Recording Industry Association of America
Weaseliest Country - France
Weaseliest Company - Microsoft
Weaseliest Profession - Politicians
Weaseliest Individual - George W. Bush
Weaseliest Behavior - Blaming fast food restaurants for making you fat
#include
I think SCO would be disappointed to have missed out on this award. Perhaps the award should be changed to "weasliest company other than Microsoft" to avoid being predictable.
I find it interesting that Dubya won his category. I had no idea public opinion of him was so low.
Ummmm.....depends on which "public" you're talking about. I think it's probably reasonable to say that readers of Dilbert are a self-selecting sample of the general population.
Congratulations to all the deserving winners.
My question is this: How on earth did that summary get past moderation? If Dilbert readers want to vote Dubya a weasel, that's fine; no way should a summary include this comment.
** Slaps editors on the nose...bad editors! bad! bad! ****
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Roses are red
Violets are blue
Oh my, lump in the bed
How I've missed you.
Roses are redder
Bluer am I
Seeing you kissed by that charming French guy.
The dogs and the cat, they missed you too
Barney's still mad you dropped him, he ate your shoe
The distance, my dear, has been such a barrier
Next time you want an adventure, just land on a carrier
HAHAHAHA! I am the leader of the free world! I use the constitution as my toilet paper!
Fuck you homos.. as long as I can get my oil I'll be just fine!
I'd of thought spammers would be up there in the top professions list.
Pete Carr Owner Chatmag.com
Hello, my name is George W. Bush. I've sold the soul of the american government to Microsoft in return for their software to run on all of my computers here in the White House and all of those military bases (you know those remote ones where Solitaire really matters). I have always and will always support the recording industry and I hope that the RIAA wins all of its lawsuits. If you haven't noticed, I've been putting on those extra pounds lately. Thosefast-food places between the White House and my golf course never told me that eating would make me fat. You would have to be blind not to know that I'm a politician (how good/bad I am is debatable), but I am a politican nevertheless. Oh and my good pal Jaques is coming over soon so we can figure out which countries we're going to argue about in that next U.N. meetings so I had better leave now. Anyway, thanks to all of you people out there who voted for me, I probably didn't really win, but hey, my name's up there so I might as well accept the honor. - G.W.B. P.S. What was I running for again?
If you can't say something nice, make sure you have something heavy to throw.
Interociter
-=What do I want? I'm an American. I want more.
France was right. There was nothing in it for them. I mean aside from *ahem* managing the 40 billion dollars that was stolen from the Iraqi people, and their vastly below market value deals for Iraqi oil that they made with Hussein, known butcher. I mean, God forbid any kind of integrity get between them and the money in their pocket.
Asshat, France and Germany could have stopped the war. Know how? Call the US's bluff. Give in to a hard line for invasive UN inspections backed up by military ultimatum. But they didn't want that. They were worried it would interupt their cash flow, and they'd become accustomed to the sweet sweet taste of Iraqi blood, sweat and tears. After all, the US could never be so foolhardy that it would just use its power as Uncle Sam saw fit, before the flacid and impotent europeons. WHOOOPS. Looks like they're about as wise as Hussein when it comes to predicting US reactions. Maybe they should stay out of the meta-game until they understand how the game itself is played.
In short the abberant, mercinary, apathetic hubris of the eurotrash who for some reason think it's their place to rule europe by Providence that made the war even possible by any measure. So when you're passing out blame, remember who the people who set the table are.
Oh wait, maybe that should have been weaseliest company...
-a
fuck you, you bastard!! you fucking crybaby!!! WAHHHHHH!!!! you're here to serve the state you dipshit. you anti-government protesters should be gassed in concentration camps... you motherfucking america HATERS!!
i support the troops and president Bush unline you sick fuckers
I can't say I'm surprised to see that "George W. Bush" is listed as the weasliest individual, considering that the vast majority of hollywood and half of the politicians in the country are gunning for him, armed with mountains of faux substance... It's almost as bad as the France thing, except there's plenty of really good reasons to pity the French, and not supporting the Iraq war shouldn't even be on the list. (Say what you want about Bush killing jobs, it doesn't even compare with the French enforcing a 35-hour max workweek.)
The solution to this problem involves the general public and natural selection, so I won't go into it here.
SCO seems to be missing from the list, there.
I e-mailed Scott with a late nomination of SCO as the weaseliest company and Darl McBride as thw weaseliest induhvidual but apparently nominations were closed for this year.
...
Oh well, there's always next year. And at the rate the various cases are dragging out, the year after that, and the year after that,
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
Ben
I just don't get it! If you don't like the ACLU, your problem is with the courts who keep ruling in their favor.
That'll teach you to oppose a war effort that was based on no hard proof.
"A person regarded as sneaky or treacherous." From http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=weasel So.....how in the hell is Saddam Hussein less treacherous than George W. Bush, Michael Moore, Yasser Arafat, and Jacques Chirac?
"Much work is lost, for the lack of a little more." -Edward H. Harriman
But marge! Weaseling out of things is what seperates us from the animals.... Well, except the weasel.
Send lawyers, guns, and money!
John Foreyt, director of Behavioral Medicine Research Center at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, estimates that almost every American will be overweight or obese by 2040.
A few, possibly 5% to 15%, might be able to maintain a healthy weight, he says.
"But most of us are in trouble," Foreyt says. "We are affected so strongly by the environment -- fast food, big portion sizes and the lack of a need to be active -- that we are doomed."
Samuel Klein of the North American Association for the Study of Obesity says, "More lives are being lost to obesity than any war or terrorist attack."
From the posts so far, I wager this guess:
80% democrats that are pissed they lost the election and will perpetuate lies until 2004.
10% republican who won the election fair and square. argue all you like, but based on law and the electoral process, GWB won.
5% green people, who i do think are from mars.
5% independent people who don't know their head from their ass, and are just natually grumpy cause their party will never have a chance.
see below
SCO: 800-726-8649
Verisign: 800-361-8319, 888-642-9675
Diebold: 800-433-VOTE (8683)
That they rated our President the Weasliest Individual, but they still rated the Democrats more Weasley than the Republicans.
Wh47 d1d j00 541, 31337 15n't t3h r0xor5 ne m0r3???
Are you just a karma whore, or are you too quick to even finish reading the summary of the story to realize that all of what you said WAS COVERED IN THE STORY SUMMARY?!?!?!
Jesus fucking christ. First its people who don't RTFA, now we have people who don't RTFS!
This story modded -1 because it expresses opinions contraditory to Slashdot groupthink.
You're new here, aren't you?
Another respondant noted that if you add Fox News and the Republicans together, you'd end up in the #3 spot. However, if you add the votes for the Republican-controlled White House and Congress together with the votes for the GOP, you get an astounding 11190 votes, fully 3240 more votes than the RIAA.
France is the country that stood up to uber-weasel George W and refused to support a war of choice based on hearsay. They stood on principle and demanded evidence of WMDs (along with an apparent majority of the Security Council, although we'll never know for sure because GWB decided to attack without international sanction). Since when did seeking truth and not backing down to an economic and military superpower qualify as weasely?
"Hardly used" will not fetch you a better price for your brain.
With the weaseliest organization, company and individual all coming from USA, shouldn't USA be voted the weaseliest country by default?
Also about the slashdot blurb, do we really need to capitalize the awarded titles in this particular case?
This poll was posted on freerepublic.com several times. It was also posted on sites like democratunderground.com.
It was 'attacked by both/all sides of the issue.
- As of tomorrow, employees will only be able to access the building using individual security cards. Pictures will be taken next Wednesday and employees will receive their cards in two weeks.
(This was the winning quote from Fred Dales at Microsoft Corporation in Redmond, Washington.)
- How long is this Beta guy going to keep testing our stuff? (Programming intern, Microsoft IIS development team)
- We recently received a memo from senior management saying: "This is to inform you that a memo will be issued today regarding the subject mentioned above." (Microsoft, Legal Affairs Division)
(Source)Looks at GWB's policies/spending, NOT at what he says. Most of it is more inline with the D's than the R's.
Oh wait, he DID make the list... We should have Al Franken have gay anal sex onboard the international space station and broadcast it live on T.V. Just think, then, Bin Laden would see that gay anal sex w/ Al Franken is bigger than he is. It's in space! There is no Jihad in space yet. Jihad can't get to space. Then Bin Laden might wonder why god lets gay anal sex with Al Franken into space but not him? And he might give up... Just a thought...
SCO: 800-726-8649
Verisign: 800-361-8319, 888-642-9675
Diebold: 800-433-VOTE (8683)
Got to move to one of those poor African countries ... at least for a while!
... NOT diet]
[BTW: A recently published study has revealed lack of exercise is the main cause of obesity in children
I don't think that's a word. If it is, it's right up there with the non-word, company words, at my company...
i.e.
Re-Robsutification
Decisioned
tell you room mate fuck her I did and forget about her
We should have Al Franken have gay anal sex onboard the international space station and broadcast it live on T.V. Just think, then, Bin Laden would see that gay anal sex w/ Al Franken is bigger than he is. It's in space! There is no Jihad in space yet. Jihad can't get to space. Then Bin Laden might wonder why god lets gay anal sex with Al Franken into space but not him? And he might give up... Just a thought...
SCO: 800-726-8649
Verisign: 800-361-8319, 888-642-9675
Diebold: 800-433-VOTE (8683)
Wow, the horseshit that spews from thy mouth is truely amazing. I don't think you can vomit anything more vile than that!
The ACLU treats everyone fairly? LOL, what a fucking joke! That is soooo far from reality, you might as well be a fairy dancing around the room in a pink dress.
The ACLU has an agenda alright, just that it has nothing to do with the constitution. It has everything to do with what their political objectives are. And right now, they are everything anit-Bush administration.
You do a nice job at making the crap that you push out of your mouth to land in little neat cow-patty type piles, but im sorry dude, we can smell right through your crap.
And you say the ACLU has no agenda....
But it gives us a reason to yell about what a fuckhead dipwad asshat that Bush is. And THAT matters.
"Weaseling out of things is what makes us different from animals...except the weasel."
Sig? What Sig?
The sun will come up as expected tomorrow
Did Glenn Beck rape and kill a girl in 1990? gb1990.com
I, for one, welcome our weaseliest slashdot story editors!
Sadly true. The rest of the world is much dumber.
Amazing similarities:
- Rush bashes Clinton for weed in college while he himself taking an opiate for years.
- SCO bashes Linux for using it's code, while using Linux code illegally iteslf.
Is Rush working for SCO?
I guess what bothers me most about Rush (other than his racist, sexist, and untruthful banter) is that he bullied his maid into buying the drugs illegaly of the street for him. Yeah, there's a guy of moral standing you can put your trust into.
Guy, get real. Rush is a lying batard (French loaf of bread on the ground).
I have the same question....perhaps we should be saying "most weasly"? But I don't want to be pegged as a grammar weasle.
Just a statement of fact!
There never was a proven connection between Iraq And Al Queda. Iraq was only a threat to his nearest neighbors and even then most neighboring countries no longer took Saddam seriously.
After the war, we finally find out why. There were no weapons of mass destruction. Because of the embargo, Saddam had to choose between funding his many palaces or his military. Being Saddam, the palaces won out. His weapons of mass destruction are somewhere in a cave, moldering away to junk.
The same thing is true about the Iraq oil producing infrastructure. It is decades out of date, much to Bush's dismay. Oil does not seem to be able to fund Iraq's rebuilding.
The Whole second Iraq war was a complete non sequitur. Of course, it took the war for Bush to find this out!
Nothing says "weasel" more than being AC. Unless your name is "Bob Smith" and your slashdot user id is "BobSmith", AC really has no benefit.
I especially love getting a passionate response on some topic from an AC. "I feel so strongly about this topic that I'm not even going to tell you my fake name I use on slashdot."
Yes, for true weaseliness you can't beat AC.
You seem to have forgotten about the Boeing 707 fuselage in the desert south of Baghdad, where Iraqi defectors say Saddam trained Al Qaeda terrorists how to highjack planes with small knives.
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This is even a step below reporting on polls. This is reporting on an internet poll. I guess because the poll slammed Microsoft, the RIAA, and Bush, it looked good to timothy. (Posted anonymously to avoid the wrath of Microsoft-haters, RIAA-haters, and Bush-haters. I just don't need it today.)
(Hint to the deluded: France has been violating UN sanctions for years, in selling to the Iraqis. So only the US should abide by the UN? Get real, lamer.)
Gutless Wonder. Has't got the guts to take responsibility for his own comment (by posting anonymously rather than using his login, that is if he ever took the time to create one.)
Do what you were told last time, go to the door and beat ya pud, when you're about to explode run in and let your goo fly all over your mates bare ass.
You have the weasliest response to meaningless polls.
And trying to derail the California recall that was prescribed by the state constitution. They are supposed to be non-partisan, but aren't.
ACLU has unfortunately become a whole den of weasels.
-- Len
A) Rush only said something because the Enquirer broke the story.
Is it because they didn't want to do war that they get such a bad opinion??? I simply don't get it. May I ask my Americans fellows to some explanation, It would be very appreciate.
The only question is; will this one hurt more as the "let's rename french fries [which come from Belgium] to 'freedom fries'" blow that was served earlier.
It makes me think that if "anonymous coward" was an actual user, not a special case: the user would have a huge negative karma and would never be able to post on slashdot again.
Well, in a closing remark, just to bring this post back on-topic so I don't get modded myself, I congratulate the makers of that pole for making such tremendous nominations. If I were asked to vote I would be overwhelmed like a child on a candy store by how many I wanted to vote for in the same list.
When Argumentum ad Hominem falls short, try Argumentum ad Matrem
"I already heard that one you fucking piece of repeating shit" -- Tollbooth Willy
And now she want's more...with other men. It's part of the female role you see. They will fuck who ever they can to make themselves feel important. Seriously, chicks are just as bad as guys. Get over it. Sex is part of life. In fact...it IS life.
Life is not for the lazy.
You do realise that the purpose of an enforced 35-hour work week is to create more jobs? The concept is simple: share the same workload over more workers. For that purpose, it makes more sense than a bunch of tax cuts. Especially dividend tax cuts, which encourage shareholders to pull more profit out of their holdings (as opposed to taking it as capital growth). Such profit maximisation is usually done by *cutting* jobs.
Why can't people accept that Dubya *is* a weasel? It's pretty much fact, he can't even come up with a consistent lie and keeps changing his story on terrorism as it justifies some new goal.
I'm pro-invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. They're better off under military occupation than with the dictators they had. That doesn't mean I have to think Dubya did it for the right reasons. I think they should shoot Osama, but I think Ashcroft is a dangerous McCarthy wanna-be...
You don't have to claim either of them are upstanding people just because they're in the same political party.
Anyways, Jeffery Dahlmer could get 40% approval, regardless of party, because most of the US voters I know support their party's president blindly. It's also traditional for the US to "stand behind" a president in wartime.
Looks like you're pretty new here. Where have you been, neopets?
u kno it cuz ur teh suxx0rz!!1
That an American (USAian) company won, the American (USAian) President Won, American habbits on American health disturbs (obesity) caused by an American way of selling food (fast Foods) won...
And the worst country would be FRANCE???
Ohh! Come on! Not even YOU can stand this hell of a country USA became!
There are other interesting differences too. Here are last year's results.
Thank you for wasting valuable bandwidth and space on the internet. Also, you must feel proud to have wasted your own time just to come up with this lyrics. Damn, you must really have no life.
Except they don't complain, they just join the fun! :D
Considering that a vast portion of France is now of the Islamic faith, it's of any wonder that the French polititions would apose any actions in the middle east.
Life is not for the lazy.
Where's the Cowboy Neal option you insensitive clods?!
This will probably get modded down as flamebait, but GW Bush is a leader of a nation where you can't arrest someone without just cause, but can make up stories about a nation having WMD's and invade on that premise. And when everyone else says "hold on, let's see some evidence", he does some CGI crap about trains and trucks manufacturing WMD's. Yet your nation tried to impeach Clinton for poking a fat chick with a cigar tube. C'mon... which is worse?
Yes, because we all know how intellectually dishonest and misleading Al Franken is.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
They don't owe you, today, now, here, crap all. You didn't inherit the honour an sacrifice of your grandparents, it's not a blood-right. And ask yourself this question next time you feel like calling the French "ungreatful", or "cowardly"; are you still living in the same country that put it on the line for them in WW2? Not by a long shot. The country you're in now would probably have backed Hitler, and would have labeled it a "Regieme Change(TM)".
Perspective, propaganda, hot air spouted by Jay Leno. I think it might be time for me to move.
we have the king of trolls with us bringing us his gems such as
France was right
Fat people in USA
us from GNAA bowdown to you tonight, we are learing all the time
So, assuming that "weasly" is a word, then "weasliest" is a perfectly acceptable superlative.
Since language is not static, and that we all understand what is meant when someone says "weasly", I think we can safely assume "weasly" to be a word of some sort, though maybe not officially. ;-)
Why yes. I do happen to be full of sh!t at times. Why do you ask? ;-)
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
I whole-heartedly agree.
i thought they where the best company to work for (according to fortune500)
if it wasnt for their superb security, most people here would be unemployed, long live MS ! (at least until i pay off my mortgage)
How is it that France is one of only two countries to stand up to his weaselness, your president, Dubya himself and still they get the hit with the weasel stick on their own?
They must be kicking themselves for selling you, and giving you, the weapons you needed to throw the British out...
(Sorry to the rest of the world for characterizing you as Americans in this post)
You sir have insulted me and my country/state, I challenge you to a duel! I choose pistols at dawn!
*glove slap"
Well not really a direct quote, but you get the idea.
``Marge, don't discourage the boy. Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals!... except the weasel.''
---------
...just my 2 gil.
Why France, because of political propaganda?
All voters for France are weasels too!
Have a nice weekend
NoSuchGuy
Grundgesetz * 23. Mai 1949 - 30. November 2007 - http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/
-- The WIPO Avenger
Yee-haw! I was voted the weaseliest poster by wide margin! Soviet Russia that, Natalie Portman!
while(true)
bushLies++
Unless your name is 'Call Me Black Cloud' and it says that on your ID, you're only one thin layer removed from 'Anonymous Coward.'
Or werent' you aware that you're operating under a psuedonym? Hell, you don't even have contact info displayed on your account.
A Good Intro to NetBS
10 print "fuck you"
20 goto 10
I discounted the whole thing when George W. Bush got top weasel, and Saddam Hussein got only 2141 votes.
Even if you completely disagree with Bush, making him a bigger weasal than SADDAM?
What the hell is wrong with these people? That result speaks volumes about them.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
"The Weaseliest Individual award was won by George W. Bush. Weaseliest Profession went to Politicians. Weaseliest Country went to France."
Am I to believe George W. Bush is the president of France then?
The simple fact is Saddam's government trained terrorists at Salman Pak. One of the things they taught them were how to take hijack airliners using small knives.
You can also look into the history of Ramzi Yousef, and guess the country he torched three cell phone accounts calling before setting off the bombs in the first WTC bombing back in 1993...
What struck me is how the options could help determine the winner. Take the top selections for weaseliest individual, for example. GW Bush won handily over Moore, Arafat, and Chirac.
One could make three separate comparisons. 55% of the people may find Bush more of a weasel than Moore. 47% may find Bush more of a weasel than Arafat. 50% may find Bush more of a weasel than Chirac. In general, it would be the same people calling President Bush the bigger weasel in each of those comparisons; to over generalize, we can call such people liberals. Similarly, people-we-could-overgeneralize-and-call-conservati ves would always tend to defend President Bush.
Because there is only one big name 'conservative' (Bush) drawing all the 'liberal' votes and three big name 'liberals' (Moore, Arafat, and Chirac) drawing the 'conservative' votes, the outcome is preordained: President Bush is called the biggest weasel. Or, the bigger lesson could be that 'liberals' are more focused in their accusations of weaselality.
Granted, I've made some generalizations here. And this is a fun poll, not a national election. But my point remains. I can't get the expression 'lies, damned lies, and statistics' out of my head.
Trolling for karma since 2003.
Yes, that's my point and why AC is the highest (lowest?) level of weaselihood. Unless you're using your real name here you're already anonymous. AC is just hiding a pseudonym.
what if you just can't be bother to create yet ANOTHER account to keep track of when you only post occasionally - and already receive enough spam from spambot harvested email addresses...
I don't read any story linked to from the NYT so that I don't have to register.
Not everyone who posts as an AC does so for the anonymity...
cheers
Sara
Different spellings of 'weaseliest' have appeared in this thread. In future, if anyone mistypes or misspells words their posts will be redirected to the VeriSin Kashfinder Weaselservice. Thank you.
Weaseliest Behavior was 'Blaming fast food restaurants for making you fat.
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What is far more disturbing than people getting fat on fast food is skinny people (who can otherwise handle the calories) getting clogged arteries because of it. And *this* is a preventable situation.
In brief: To make it last longer, the vegetable oil used for frying by all the major fast food joints (and unfortunately most other restaurants too) is hydrogenated. This is an inferior and outdated process that creates trans-fatty acids. Trans-fatty acids clog arteries like nothing else. It's significantly worse than eating animal lard.
Incidentally, this is not just a problem for restaurants. Any processed food that has "partially hydrogenated vegetable oil" or "shortening" has at least some trans fats.
Since the early 80's, it has been known through research that trans-fats are really bad. In response, improved processes have been created to eliminate trans-fat production. However, after all this time, most restaurants and food processors have still not switched to the healthier oils because (3 guesses....) it would cut into their profit margins. The better oils are currently more expensive because they are in less supply (due to insufficient demand!)
So, while I have little sympathy for somebody getting fat from eating McD's every day, I do for the uninformed skinny person who thought they could get away with eating certain restaurant and processed foods. It is estimated that at least 30,000 premature deaths occur each year because of the prevalence of hydrogenated oils in the American diet. See the Harvard study below.
For more information:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/reviews
http://www.bantransfats.com/
Somebody mod this up.. This is something that all geeks need to read if they haven't already. I personally have changed my diet significantly, being one of those skinny folk who previously thought they were safe.
Timothy, no doubt about it.
Watch him use his secret mod points to make this -1.
The latest Slashdot meme.
Everybody's heard of Microsoft, Dubya, France, and politicians. The tactics of the RIAA have been making mainstream press.
SCO and Darl McBride are hardly household words in any country, and certainly not in America.
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
If all you can do is regurgitate what the administration says on FOX news, then you're a tool.
Don't be a tool.
" I discounted the whole thing when George W. Bush got top weasel, and Saddam Hussein got only 2141 votes.
Even if you completely disagree with Bush, making him a bigger weasal than SADDAM?
What the hell is wrong with these people? That result speaks volumes about them."
Saddam has never affected my personal life, Dubya on the other hand: wasn't elected president by the people, kicked back and lit cigars with $100 bills while California got reamed in the ass for electricity by Texas energy companies, destroyed the economy costing me my job, has only extended a helping hand to corporations and the rich(believing in Reagan's BIG blunder of trickle-down economics), and STARTED a war against a country that had done nothing to provoke a war.
Fortunately: "Like father like son"(1 term and your outta there for tanking the economy).
P.S. French people don't suck, their president does. Although, I do find it hilarious that so many French people died as a result of a little heat wave. The lack of air conditioning makes me wonder just how bad they smell, maybe that explains why they're so obsessed with perfume.
agreed. Probably the most controversial (controversial insofar as it perpetrates the myth that the ACLU is 'Weasly') point brought up is that the ACLU doesn't protect the free exercise of religion. Luckily, it is also the easiest to disspell.
1) Freedom of Religion Bill supported by the ACLU to protect the exercise of religion by individuals.
2) ACLU helps Falwell in VA I'm sure you'll never hear about that on FOX news or Christian press. The ACLU helped the Rev. establish a church with all the rights of normal corporations, ending that form or religious discrimination.
3) The infamous veiled photo for driver's license case The most pressed argument is of course national security. But as is easily seen if anyone bothers to RTFA, 800,000 ID's have been given without a photo, so why worry about this one with an 'incomplete' photo.
4) The ACLU's efforts to keep government influence out of churches and in the hands of the peoples of the respective faiths
5) Keeping religious discrimination out of Head start
I found this in 30 seconds of searching. This doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of cases where individual's religious preferences have been protected by the ACLU. If you were to go to each state's press archives, you'd find dozens of cases where the ACLU has helped to force schools to allow students to pray. The confusion comes in because most people (and apparently alot of people on Slashdot and school administrators) are entirely incapable of distinguishing between a state actor and an individual actor. When you've learned 4th grade civics, maybe you can speech more intelligibly about civic issues.
I have to say (Well, okay, I don't have to, but I will.), I am a little surprised Microsoft beat out SCO.
That's the first poll Dubya's ever won.
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Oh, wait, nevermind.
Little Brother, watching the watchers
Good point, but...
once you register you get a link to automatically log you in here. The only time I've had to remember my slashdot password is when I move to a new computer. Also, I've never received any e-mail as a result of posting here. I just don't display my e-mail address...
To keep track of all the (important) logins I use Password Safe, free from here. That's the older version, sourceforge has a later version.
> I have the same question....perhaps we should be saying "most weasly"? But I don't want to be pegged as a grammar weasle.
I was going to suggest the same thing, but I didn't want people to think I was being anal-retentive.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Just so you know, Afghanistan is still under the same dictators. The Taliban kept the warlords in line. A bunch of warlords, called the Northern Alliance, didn't like them, and never did. The US backed them up and toppled the Taliban. The warlords got what they wanted: absolute rule back again, like they had before the Taliban. Before, a woman couldn't go to school, and couldn't go out in public without a burka or she would be arrested. The stories told pre-war about being killed were true...but for Northern Alliance territories, not Taliban. The Taliban were very harsh to rapists and woman beaters (Unless he was her husband). Now, she is legally allowed to go to school. and work...but she will be beaten to death. And if she doesn't wear a burka...she will be beaten to death and/or raped. The Taliban may have repressed women, but they protected them, and killed rapists. Things are worse for everybody in Afghanistan. Not that they were very good under the Taliban, but they were STILL better off. The Coalition keeps things in order...but they can barely even control Kabul; the rest of the country is left entierly at the mercy of the same warlords who have always ruled. And the Coalition is hiring most of the Taliban back to work the "new" government anyways. The opium trade, which the religious Taliban condemned, is back in full tilt, flooding the streets of Britain with Afghani heroin again, and the CIA coffers with drug money. Food is a problem, because farmers fields are full of American mines.
Were things bad for Afghanis, especially women? Yes, most definatly. But they are worse now than they once were.
Now, Iraq: Americans have killed more innocents than Hussein is said to have. Also, the "rape rooms?" Bush made them up on the spot. The story about gassing the Kurds? Untrue, at least as far as the CIA is concerned. In the Iraq-Iran war, the two sides were fighting for control of a city, for its hydro-electric dam and water resevoir. Both sides used chemical weapons on each other (Both kindly provided by the CIA for just such a purpose, by the way) and the Kurdish civilians were killed in the crossfire. However, they were killed by some sort of blood-agent. The Iraqis used mustard gas, which is not a blood-agent. The Iranians used some form of cyanide, which IS a blood-agent. The CIA report on this event concluded that the Kurds were killed accidentally, and were not the intended targed (But, of course, what do you expect using toxic gas weapons in a city?) and also, that it was highly likely that they were killed by Iranian chemical weapons.
Gas was cheap (a few cents US per gallon), health care was free, there was food and water (Most of the water and sewage infrastructure had FINALLY been rebuilt after Gulf War I) Political disenters were thrown in jail, or possibly killed. Just like in Saudi Arabia and Kuait, two "good guys". Saddam didn't like the Shi'ites, but he didn't persecute them. Iraq was the only non-secular government in the middle east.
Now, gas costs as much as it does in the US (Since most of the oil is now being shipped to the US and Israel), health care is in shambles (Even wounded US soldiers have to wait in squalid conditions) power, water, and sanitation is out everywhere. The streets are radioactive, measuring 1700x normal background radiation at some parts. The US says it will learn from Israel how to repress a conqured people, and it does: US soldiers beat farmers and buldoze their crops. Collective punishment for the attacks on US soldiers. Collective punishment is a war crime...not that the US cares, they have not signed any treaties, and Bush said he will attack any country that charges a US soldier with war crimes. Women now live in fear, more than they ever have. The Shi'ites are outraged by the murder of a leader. Were they actually allowed to vote for who they want, the next government would by just like Iran's. But it won't, since the US choses who can run.
Ask a random Iraqi, or a random Afgh
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No Bill Clinton on the list! Bush is more of a weasel than Saddam? How stupid is that. While the list may be funny, the results reflect very poorly on the very biased choices and the ignorance of the respondants.
I suppose you could interpret the comment as "congratulations to those winners which were deserving" (and not to the ones who got it by chance or unfairly).
I guess most Americans only ever saw the video of Jacques Chirac shaking hands with Saddam Hussein and never the one of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with the Iraqi leader.
The French like the Americans have been in bed with Saddam Hussein at some point in time. If the French are weasels because of that, what does that make Americans? Iraq is an important country geopolitically and if any country didn't at one point have ties with it they'd be stupid not to!
The French don't owe the US for freeing them from Nazis just like the US doesn't owe the French for their helping hand during the civil war.
I don't understand why Americans enjoy bashing the French so much! Do you feel threathened by something they have and you don't? 5 weeks of paid vacation perhaps?
Bah. I hate login forms.
is no less healthy than making a sandwich at home. Although the other thing that Subway mentions is the fact that Jared *walked* quite a ways to get to Subway. Exercise plus eating healthy (which sandwiches like Subway serve are) equals weight loss.
Yes, the exercise is mentioned in the ads. Maybe not as much now but that was huge at the beginning with Jared leading a group of power walking dieters to Subway.
It's not borderline. It's common sense. They also make sure to point out which sandwiches have the least fat. It's not a blanket campaign pretending everything they serve is equally healthy.
It's not like other fast food chains that make money by selling you grease.
It's pretty sad how determined people are to blame other people for their problems and if they can get money out of it, all the better.
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have you anti-french americans ever heard of the statue of liberty?? France stands up to the US once, and everything else is water under the bridge ...
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I don't have user login and I've been here almost 5 years now. I made one once and then forgot the password 2 days later. Why bother?
So I'm curious...is the ACLU a partisan right wing organization or a left wing organization?
On one hand they defend the KKK (a traditional bleeding heart liberal organization), and then on the other hand they challenge compulsory drug testing (which must certainly be advocated by prominent right wingers)...
And what about trolls? If I had a user account I'd have -70964 karma by now because I've been trolling here since before goatse.cx even existed.
I've been trolling here since before ACs posted at score1 by default.
I've been trolling here since before the first Natalie Portman Naked and Petrified and Hot Grits Down Your Pants troll was even posted.
I've been trolling here since before we had ANY kind of lameness filter.
In other words I've been trolling here a pretty long fucking time and, I'm not even joking. All my posts would be at -2 by default from all the modbombing and that just isn't any fun.
My girlfriend signed up for something with the ACLU. Before then, very little mail. Now she is DELUGED by stuff. The ACLU sold her info to all kinds of marketers, special interest groups, etc. That's a very annoying brand of weasley.
I am not Herbert.
Or not.
On second thought, just laugh at the fat hypocrite!
I think you qualify as bisexual.
...or French. Enhh, same thing.
No point in commenting after > 550 replies, but I'll have to try this one.
I think there's some mighty fine American behaviour at work, voting for Bush as the weasliest person (when do you guys ever stop voting for weasels and start voting for presidents?), meanwhile voting for France as the weasliest country -- being the only reasonably large country daring to voice its opinion against the godforsaken United States Under Bush.
I smell hipocrisy, and nominate the voters for the Weasliest Mass.
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Someone moderated this thread lead as troll, but it's as least as valid as the comments it got, and no more offtopic or troll than other subjects. I guess the moderator was a Rush fan. Anyways, can someone with moderation magic fix this please.
I don't have a slashdot account and don't care to take the time out of my day to create one just to be able to post anonymous messages, AC works fine for me.
So Bush is the biggest individual weasel, and the country who was most vocal in disagreeing with him in going into Iraq (France) is the biggest weasel country?
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Missing the point as usual, the French stood up to a bunch of school yard bullies who stole the most powerful office in the world. Now thats my kind of weasel.
My dear fellow Americans, take a deep breath, look at yourself in the mirror, and say it out loud: "The government of France was right about Iraq, and the government of the United States was wrong."
That's the truth, and if you can't admit it, then you are a weasel!
Always keep a sapphire in your mind
quote from mookie-blaylock: My girlfriend signed up for something with the ACLU. Before then, very little mail. Now she is DELUGED by stuff. The ACLU sold her info to all kinds of marketers, special interest groups, etc. That's a very annoying brand of weasley. I can assure you this is not true. The national office of the ACLU will not even give their state offices access to membership information for fear of violations of privacy, you must explicity submit that info to your state office for it to be obtained. correlation does not equal causation.
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bitch: a girl who will fuck anyone but me.
Rather than "Insightful", this is sheer nonsense, and it is very ironic coming from someone who calls himself "Call Me Black Cloud".
I don't why this fallacy about anonymity has so much currency on Slashdot, but it is manifestly illogical. A Slashdot post consists solely of words, and its value lies solely in the quality of arguments, evidence and wit that those words contain. The identity of the poster is almost never relevant.
The only situation in which the identity of the poster matters is when the content really has something to do with the poster. For example, if some poster asserts that Bill Gates sleeps in a wedding dress, and the poster says she knows this because she is Melinda Gates, well then it does matter who the poster is. But posts in which the identity of the poster is a relevant fact are rather common on Slashdot and most other discussion groups.
You can understand this best when you realize that everyone who posts on Slashdot is exactly as anonymous as the Anonymous Coward. This is obvious for people who use pseudonyms like me or "Call Me Black Cloud". But even if someone posts as "Bob Smith", most of us will never know, or care, whether the poster really is a person named Bob Smith. For all we know, it could be Hortense Magillacuddy from Peoria, but that doesn't matter, because all we care about is what the posters say, and not who's saying it.
Always keep a sapphire in your mind
1) they don't gice a Sh*t about world (I.E. US ) opinion
2) They support their own countries interest above all, WITHOUT hypocracy and pretending is for the good of the world
3)If their population decides they don't like a political decision they riot, and the Politicians actually LISTEN and change policy
Maybe TPTB (The Powers That Be) would rather everyone where just obedient serfs and would rather people did not emulate them
I'm English so I'll be called a traitor :)!
Did you know that the V sign made with the first 2 fingers actually comes from the habit of the English Longbow men holding up their bow fingers to the French after Agincourt to show they had won , the French used to cut off captured archers fingers, it was considered unsporting of the English for their common born bowmen to massacre French aristocratic Knights
France has been traditionally friendly to the Arab states and it has had a long history of doing so. Yes, it sells arms there probably when it shouldn't, but then so do the US (and their arms exports dwarf France's). Their arguments in favour of granting more time to the weapons inspectors seem to have proved correct after all.
I agree that France argued cogently in the UN, but so did others for the war (except GWB, the term cogent can not apply). It just seems the latter were relying too much on spin.
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Anyone know where I can get a picture of this?
Hmmm, so a "leech" == someone who doesn't like the current US regime and overall conservative political climate.
I don't think that means what you think it does.
Who says he doesn't pay taxes? Who says he's taking handouts from the government? I can say proudly that I wish this nation would collapse tomorrow, but that does not make me a "leech." I pay my taxes, every April and at the point of sale every time I buy a shirt or a techie gadget. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make him a "leech."
Maybe they're planning to campaign for the freedom of speech of telemarketers next?
Let's see... Weasliest Organisation? American. Weasliest Company? American. Weasliest Individual? American. Weasliest Country? ....France.
Huh? What did France do, except try and prevent America from making a colossal blunder?
Yes, go ahead and lable Bush weasle of the year. It's fine with me just as long as you remember that for every lie you acredit Bush, it was found at the UN's doorstep FIRST.
...as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material. Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites designated by the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) ...and ultimately ceased all cooperation with UNSCOM and the IAEA in 1998, ...in spite of the Council's repeated demands that Iraq provide immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), Deploring also that the Government of Iraq has failed to comply with its commitments pursuant to resolution 687 (1991) with regard to terrorism ...to end repression of its civilian population... Determined to ensure full and immediate compliance by Iraq without conditions or restrictions... Determined to secure full compliance with its decisions..."
...the Government of Iraq shall provide a currently accurate, full, and complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes to develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other delivery systems such as unmanned aerial vehicles and dispersal systems designed for use on aircraft, ...and nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to weapon production or material; 7. UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to be provided by Iraq the names of all personnel currently and formerly associated with Iraq?s chemical, biological, nuclear, and ballistic missile programmes and the associated research, development, and production facilities
WMDs? Why, the UN published figures to the effect that Nearly four tons of VX nerve agents, Growth media for 20,000 litres of biological warfare agents, 15,000 shells for use in biological warfare and 6,000 chemical warfare bombs were unaccounted for.
A threat to world peace? Looks like the UN whole heartedly agreed with President Clinton when he said, "Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons." I don't recall the UN batting an eye, do you? I don't seem to remember France, Germany China or Russia losing too much sleep over Operation Desert Fox either.
And lets not forget Resolution 1441 that clearly states:
"Recognizing the threat Iraq's non-compliance with Council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security. Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure
And also said...
"1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions... 2. Decides, while acknowledging paragraph 1 above, to afford Iraq, by this resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under relevant resolutions of the Council; 3. Decides that, in order to begin to comply with its disarmament obligations
13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations."
Did I mention that 1441 was ratified unanimously by every permanent
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> I especially love getting a passionate response on some topic from an AC. "I feel so strongly about this topic that I'm not even going to tell you my fake name I use on slashdot."
You forgot to click "Post Anonymously".
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
I don't have any opinion or evidence as to whether the french president was defending an oil deal.
But I'll tell you that the french people definitely didn't.
The french people, as well as the italian, the british (yup) and others were walking in the capital cities of the EU demonstrating against war to Iraq. Polls actually showed majorities of the people of these countries being opposed to that war.
The EU council (it's majority) rejected that war too, are you gonna argue they were bought by oil deals?
Wow, a whole page of unsubstatiated statements and its modded as informative. Obviously you've never seen what the Taliban used to use the old soccer stadium for during their reign and are you honestly saying a group that outlawed the playing of music were better for the afgani people than what they have now? How about you not just spew the rumors you heard down at the mosque and actually look into the truthfulness of any of the statements you've made and see how much of it pans out, if you aren't willing to do that you're no better than a tool and are not even a person, you are just outlet for whomever fed you this information.
So why did you suckers elected your leader weasel in the first place?
Chirac is a LIBERAL... bloody hell this is going to come as ONE hell of a shock to the French who thought he was the right wing leader. Arafat is a liberal ? Again lets see...
Thinks Killing people is a "Good Idea"(tm)
Believes in using retoric and emotive language
Hardly sounds liberal to me. Yes these organisations also dish out food aid etc but lets not pretend that isn't for their own ends.
Oh hang on I've just understood...
You have no idea what you are talking about, you know nothing of French politics, very little about politics in the middle east.
Chirac is a conservative, Arnie is a "big name" conservative.
Maybe just maybe Bush is the biggest weasel because he has a history of failed businesses, bending the truth, objecting to fair and just process and while talking about a morale crusade is dishing out cash to his friends.
Bush is the low point of the American presidency.
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
I'm waiting for the part where you actually cite any evidence, any reports, anything that substantiates your wild claims. Keep modding this down please, mods.
Why is anything anything?
Your relying on a non scientific poll result to bash his? Sheesh, and I thought editors on /. were morons.
Lastly, if you rely on any polls your not only ignorant, your stupid. Polls are skewed by the poll takers. There is nothing scientific about political polls.
Do I think that invading Iraq to oust Saddam Hussein was the Right Thing To Do (TM)? Probably.
Do I think that it was right because there are/were/woulda been WMD's there that could threaten the US? Nope. Maybe Saddam had/has/was trying to get WMD's, maybe not - but no proof of that has been forthcoming, despite hundreds of thousands of US troops scouring the countryside in between dodging those pesky ambushes. Lack of proof isn't proof of innocence, but then again we're Americans, so the burden of proof should be on the accuser. Right?
Why do I think it was right for the US to invade? Because Saddam Hussein is/was one hyper-evil son of a bitch, that's why. His human-rights abuses made Ashcroft's wet dreams look like the work of Mahatma Ghandi and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.*
Is G.W. handling the military action properly? Absolutely not. His "hands-off" approach merely gives the military leadership free rein to do what they want. They don't want to take the precautions necessary to provide security for the Iraqi people. They don't want to set aside enough manpower to fix the electrical grid or the water supply system or the telephone network. They're generals - they want to blow shit up with their shiny new toys, and dead civilians are just numbers on paper to them.
Do I think we'll come out ahead in this mess? Nope. Here's why:
In the past, when the US has engaged in a successful large-scale military deployment, said success has been mostly due to three things - all three of which are missing in this war:
We lack all of these, and as a result I believe this military venture will fail.
Do I think Al Gore would be better? I seriously doubt it. Of course, IMHO, the Year 2000 election was a contest between two pretty evenly-matched levels of incompetence, corruption, and disregard for the "regular Joe". The way I perceived the 2 candidates, they were merely out to figuratively assrape different subsets of the public for the benefit of themselves and their cronies. They also had differences regarding the way each would demonstrate his incompetence as commander-in-chief of the armed forces. One wanted to tax me to death and buy electric cars for the street criminals, the other wanted to give the boardroom criminals a license to raid my retirement fund. Might as well ask us to vote on "Do you want your right eye removed, or your left eye?"
So here's how I handle all that on election day: I go and do what most people would call "throwing my vote away" - I vote Libertarian. Sure, they're not any
"Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
> Now, Iraq: Americans have killed more innocents than Hussein is said to have.
That's almost certainly not true. I haven't heard what you're saying about the Kurds, but even if you are correct I still understand that something over 300,000 thousand Shiites were killed after the Gulf War (though that's hardly the kind of thing the USA should be eager to call attention to, seeing as it was us who stirred them up to rebellion and then sat back to watch them get slaughtered). Also, though people don't usually think of soldiers as 'innocents', I would have to say that about a million 'innocent' soldiers died as a result of Saddam's unprovoked war with Iraq. So it looks like he has at least 1.3 million inexcusable deaths on his hands, and as much misery as we've caused with our invasion, I don't think it's even within an order of magnitude of that yet. Likely not even within two orders of magnitude. (Though we should count again after the US pulls out and they're plunged into civil war.)
OTOH, his hands have been fairly tied since the Shiite affair, and though his prison guards were surely kept busy with ill deeds, it would be interesting to know the average montly rate of death and misery he caused over the past ~10 years vs. the average montly rate since the 'end' of the US invasion.
> Now, gas costs as much as it does in the US...
I read somewhere a week or so ago that US taxpayers are subsidizing the sale of gasoline in Iraq to the tune of $1.75 in addition to what the Iraqis themselves are paying. (Chew on that next time you're filling up your tank or looking at how much tax was taken out of your paycheck.)
> Kuait should be next...
Yeah, part of the pathetic humor of the Bush claim that we were going to invade Iraq to establish democracy was that we already had Kuwait packed full of US troops, and didn't have the least inclination to bring those people the blessings of liberty.
> I would accept that Iraq posed a danger due to powerful WMD, only they had none. They also did not have the means to deploy them if they DID have any, and they had no DESIRE to do so.
I suspect that there was a genuine concern that Saddam would eventually obtain WMD that he could deploy against Israel, though of course the Administration could hardly come out and say they were sending US troops to die in order to make the world safe for Israel. But see the rather strange 'logic' in this interview with John McCain, where the interviewer didn't stick to the "right" questions and McCain was left groping for an explanation that justified his position without saying that. (He failed.) [Notice also the prophetic content of the first few paragraphs of that page, before it gets to the interview.]
BTW, I suspect your post has some other substantial factual errors mixed in with the good stuff. No need to overplay the case; to those not blinded by ideology or hypnotized by FAUX News, the whole thing stinks plainly enough on the simple facts.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
.. they were also speaking for the majority of the world. If the French should be named as weasels for the way they handled the iraqi war, then so should almost all of Europe. Even the majority population of most of the countries that did actually enter the war were against it.
Make no mistake about it, the US and Tony Blair were pretty much alone on this one. If Bush tells people that he had wide world support for the war, he is either lying or greasing the conditions a bit.
What is interesting is that France got the top spot and Germany the bottom spot.
Maybe this reflect that Germany was against the war from start to end, while France only decided in the last possible minutte, and the German position thus seem more consistsnt and less weasely.
More likely, this reflect the general US tactics towards Europe: Bribe the Russians, Fight the French and ignore the Germans.
Anyway, I agree with the general sentiment. France more or less sabotaged the possibility of a UN solution. I disagree with US starting a war without UN, but while US took the role of the bully, the Frenmch role was probably more that of a weasel.
well most of the time the arguments can be pulled straight out of your or anybody elses hat.
personally what i feel AC to show is that the person replying doesn't care enough to use his slashdot id and so is very unlikely to care enough to check the counter arguments.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Actually i wil just sue McDonalds for making me fat, right after i have another couple of Cheese burgers yes i will have fries with that actual get me a big mac as well and a fillet o' fish because thats healthy need to watch my figure.
Saying Apple is better than MS is like saying Botulism is better than rabies.
The top 3:
/. temptation never to RTFA but I think that anyone who even looked at that poll might have to think again about who really is being bashed there.
Weaseliest Country
France 12739
*USA* 10761
Saudi Arabia 5845
I know it's hard to avoid the
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They said they would help find and turn over Osama, once they realized what was going to happen to their country. TO LATE!!!
The weasels made me do it!
Just because you're too much of a lazy shit to do some research that doesn't mean he's wrong, you know.
While your post is quite interesting, and very much inline with my views - you need to post a source on all of this. I can't take it seriously until you give me something other than your own ranting.
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Darl McBride
There is only one thing worse than a weasel, and that's the yellow bellied weasel
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Backing up claims doesn't matter, all that matters is he has made claims that agree with 99% of slashdot which is get americans to hate america. I found so many things I could prove wrong in the first paragraph alone which made me to stop reading. Littered with mines? Mines have been illegal for decades.. And the taliban protected women by rape? yeah she only needed _FIVE_ MEN to whitness the rape first or she'd be stoned to death for being a lying whore.
A lot of these polls, just like movie Oscars etc inevitably show how people simply vote like the media advertising tells them to - a few pop stars and influential news anchors propagate their opinions and it quickly becomes common sense opinion amongst the populist crowd seeking to be with the 'in' group. While I'm often ashamed of my fellow human's lack of critical thinking, I have to remember that the average IQ is by definition 100 and most are intellectual followers of leaders.
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You have two right wing politicians. One is pro-life. The other is pro-choice. Now go vote.
So far, there has not been any single demonstration that France sold weapons to Iraq when it was prohibited.
Poland has retracted their claim of having found Roland missiles manufactured in 2003 (probably after being told that the manufacturing of the latest generation of these missiles stopped in the early 1990's, and thus it was materially impossible that France could have sold 2003-manufactured Roland missiles to Iraq).
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001
... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10,
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." Madeline Albright, Secretary of State, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." Madeline Albright, Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years
Indeed, how can they label Bush as a known weasel, thus indicating his "war on terrorism" is at least in great part a sham, and still bash the french?
That was a poll, not a single person opinion. Out of 35874 votes, 12739 picked France, 13959 picked Bush. As long as the sum for France plus Bush is below the total vote count, there is no contradiction.
From the story:
This happened in a *very* brutal war, where both sides commited atrocities. We certaily know that sometimes civilians get caught in the crossfire. That's bad, and ther is no excuse for that, but using this episode as of of the arguments* to justify the attack is stupid IMO.*The Bush administration have repeatedly before, under and after the war been saying that Hussein's attacks on his own people where a part of the reason behind the war.
Melius mori in libertate quam vivere in servitute.
The whole thing about Jared losing all that weight eating Subway is true. I subscribe to Men's Health magazine and every month they have a feature where people write in and tell how they lost weight. Then the editors analyze the program, what's good and bad about it, and tell you how it can work for you.
Anyway, a few years ago, Jared wrote something in a college newspaper and it got sent in to MH to tell his story. He said he liked the low fat sandwiches and so he ate them for lunch and dinner every day for a year. He didn't exercise much except for walking regularly.
Long story short, he lost a bunch of weight, someone at Subway read the article and their PR department picked up on it and now he's famous. There's a history thingy here
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The REASON why France is considered weasly is because they hate GW (democracy/spirituality/morals) - just shows how uninformed and non critical thinking the voters were.
The US was far down the list on takers of oil from the "food for oil" program. France, OTOH, was doing "normal" business with Iraq, against the UN sanctions, as was Russia. In fact, Chirac would greet Saddam as, "Saddam my friend."
Ya see, that's why everyone needs to pull their fucking heads out of their asses and realize that none of our western governments are really all that great. Our governments are a bit nicer than those "terrorist" middle-eastern states, mostly because we have some amount of freedom in our own countries.
Sheesh, smell the damn coffee folks...
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
Because they sit back and let others do "the right thing".
For France, Culture > *
For the US, Human Rights > *
When the French see Muslim women walking around hiding their face, they just accept that as part of their culture.
When the US sees Muslim women walking around hiding their face, we see a basic human rights violation.
Have you got any proof of what you say? Or are the alleged illegal French weapons in the same location as the never-to-be-found weapons of mass destruction?
To agree with France as the #1, when you have countries with human rights violations such as China hanging out there. Note to moderators. This is not a troll, nor flamebait. Timothy posted his opinion as a front-page /. story. I'm calling him out on it. As others have pointed out, the only "evil" of France these days is not supporting an illegal war that was started on a bunch of lies.
"Population 1,656"
I don't know what the US's motivations truly were, but we're dumping a lot of money, I doubt it was really in our economic interests. That's not to say that it might not be in the interests of some companies, though, companies which may have been able to exert some political influence.
Also, a lot of people died in Iraq every year since Saddam has been in power. Saddam's regime has murdered tens of thousands of his own people, and after Saddam one of his (possibly even more brutal) sons was set to take power. That doesn't make the US right, like I said, I don't know what the real motivation was, but it sure is a damn good thing that Saddam is gone.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
Hi. Do a search for my nickname. Chances are you can associate it with my real name within the first ten hits on Google.
Some of us have an online identity that is not entirely separate from reality.
(Im not the AC)
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Stop reading dilbert, he is a spokesperson for the B.S.A. bsa another site
All these people that say that Iraq should pay back the money spent in the reconstruction forget one thing: there' no Iraqi government right now that can accept the debt responsibility. As many posters here point out with regard to EULAs, without a "meeting of the minds" there can't be a contract; right now Iraq has no "mind" with which to meet.
Where do you think the United States would be if it had been required to repay the help that France provided during the Revolutionary War, before the Articles of Confederation were ratified and the first government of the United States came into being?
Making the Iraqi reconstruction monies a loan equals Iraq becoming a United States colony; isn't colonialization one thing we're against?
According to the medical profession, the sine qua non of addiction is that there is an immediate physical reaction when the addictive substance is withheld. No one has ever had an immediate physical reaction from changing their diet from fatty fast food to, say, a healthy, low-fat diet. At least, no so far as I know.
With respect, saying that "people get addicted to fastfood just as they get addicted to drugs" is really quite incorrect. Drugs - the ones people get addicted to - change the way the body acts. Food is only fuel. If you eat too much, you may get fat, but nothing has changed in the way the brain works.
Are the thousands of dead innocent civilians better off now? Seriously, I want you to try to answer that question. Put yourself in their shoes, and try to answer that question.
People use fake names on
National defence is one of the few legitimate functions of the Federal Government of the United States. Perhaps you, and the rest of the uneducated masses, should study the Constitution of the United States of America, and learn just what the Federal Government is supposed to be doing.
"The Answer" is very simple: the Federal Government must be reigned in, and constrained to the limits established for it by the Constitution. That means that the Federal Government can do only a very small list of things. Anything not on that list is legally forbidden from the Federal Government. How much of today's Federal Monster lives outside this carefully chosen boundary? How many times has Congress ignored the Ninth and Amendments?
The only political organization that shows any respect for the Constitution of the United States anymore is the Constitution Party, whom I support.
Those results are all so fashionable, it leads me to wonder why they had a poll at all.
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Apparently I didn't clearly make my point. Yes, we're all anonymous, so to me going one step further and being AC is weasely.
However, even though I am using a pseudonym I do conduct myself as I would if my comments were attributable to me. In other words I don't behave differently behind my slashdot id.
Let me clarify my original statement further. I think it's weasel-like to offer valid points, express a point of view, or otherwise participate in a rational discussion under AC. That was the point of the example I gave in my original post. Trolls I understand need to be AC.
This is /., remember.
I'd say it's jealousy of a culture where:
- chicks are hot
- food is great
- body odor is not considered simply a disgusting lack of personal hygiene.
-Styopa
Yes, this I understand. I should have explicitly excluded trolling from my posting. As far as other remarks, well, I wouldn't make a comment under my slashdot id that I wouldn't make using my real name or in person. My original comment was really directed at people who seem to be sincerely passionate about a point of view. Since people can create identities here that are separate from reality (and so be essentially anonymous) why not stand up and say, "I, l33tCoderD00d45, really and truly believe x, y, and z"?
I don't have a slashdot account and don't care to take the time out of my day to create one just to be able to post anonymous messages, AC works fine for me.
This makes no sense. If you're taking the time to post messages you must want people to read those messages. It would be worth the effort of registering to make your messages more visible. If you're a common troll this does not apply of course.
Why can't people accept that Dubya *is* a weasel?
Why are you surprised that a politician is a weasel? The president is *always* the head weasel. Let's see - just the last few: Nixon (defined weasel), Gerald Ford (incompetant weasel)Jimmy Carter (not weasel, not good president) Teflon Man Reagan (irancontra weasel), GW Bush (Mr. free trade/new world order), Clinton (classic shouthern US political weasel), GW Bush (weasel, Texas style). Your point is?
You don't have to claim either of them are upstanding people just because they're in the same political party.
Personal experience: they are all weasels because they are politicians. This is not news.
-- $G
france was buddying up with saddam.. and didnt care if he slaughtered people..
so yeah.
the only good part I see about our war on iraq is that we saved people from him and his rape-happy sons.. that's the only good thing I see out of it.. the rest is politics and economical reasons.. we're there to spread american business empires, get the oil, and spread our ways and laws and copyright laws over there, to make it america jr.
get some good people in power.. shoot the idiots who like blowing others up and fucking leave.
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Israeli officials shame-faced after
reports on Chirac prove to be false
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Wow, there were a lot of unsubstantiated allegations in there! As long as we're gonna take that route, Here's a few "facts" that I think PROVE France's weaseliness:
1. France funded both sides of the Aliens vs. Predator war.
2. France had 30% ownership in the Death Star. When Israeli TIE-fighters destroyed it, France was PISSED.
3. France has the world's largest stockpile of green kryptonite, Superman's only weakness. WHY?
4. I have it on good authority that Jaques Chirac stomps smurfs.
I think I've made my point.
For example, they're always available to help prevent the "establishment" of religion, but they're never around to preserve the "free-exercise" of it.
I invite your viewing of one of the ACLU's more recent cases, where they backed Jerry Falwell in a suit against the state of Virginia. Virginia had one set of laws for businesses, another for churches. Not kosher, and so the ACLU went to bat for him.
The ACLU is more than willing to help religious zealots, even when they usually spit on the values of the ACLU.
"Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
Don't blame me! I voted for Kang!
There exists no way of exchanging information without making judgments. --Bene Gesserit Axiom
and last but not least... ariel sharon. yes, that is one liberal list! lies, damn lies, and statistics! at least you didn't show us your math skills.
> All you liberal, peacenik, Bush-bashers just can't set aside your pessimism to see how much happier a place the Middle East & Iraq will be once we finish invading it.
"They have made a desert, and call it 'peace'." -- Tacitus, 20 centuries ago
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
All you have to do is look at the political landscape of France.
"France today has roughly four or five million Muslim inhabitants, nearly a tenth of the population. Approximately half have French citizenship. More precise figures are not available, since the French state, being officially secular, is forbidden to inquire into questions of religion. It is generally agreed, however, that France, preponderantly Catholic, now has more Muslims than either Protestants or Jews, its historical minorities. Islam has become the country's second religion."
You cannot forget that in 2002, Chirac's main opponent in his election was a isolationist (Le Pen), illustrating that the french commoners wanted to roll back the recent immigration, and did not like the direction the politicians were taking the country... Chirac has to appease the arabic voters , and the best way he knew how was to counter the United State's forays into Afghanistand and Iraq at every turn, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
You give him too much credit, thinking he was "standing up against the USA", when he is just politicing and covering his ass.
Yes, this is exactly what I'm saying. Dubya's a weasel and the appropriate thing isn't to say "But Clinton's a weasel too". It's not good enough that the "other side"'s politicians are asses as well, you have to admit that yours are, and only then can you make an attempt to get better ones.
FAKELSTEIN, Faklestein troll-la-la.
You're not Seth Finkelstein, you're a weasel too!
Colonial Americans were badly losing the war for independance from Britan until France came to their aid. General Green was getting his butt kicked all over the south until, instead of colonial militia, he had to fight the French who had come to help the colonists.
Do you have no concept of what a better life is? Thousands of Iraqis would have died because of the crimes of the government. Life would be worse for everyone because that situation wasn't going to go away on its own.
Have you ever heard an Iraqi living outside of Iraq say anything positive about Saddam? All of them that I've heard, in the US and in other countries, have said that he's a dangerous cruel man and is oppressing the country.
Sure, it sucks to be dead, but people were dying anyways. Better that the killer be removed, even if a few people die during his struggles. At least he can't go on killing all the dissidents.
Bullshit.
I recently found an email I wrote to a friend about five months before the Sept-11th attack where I was talking about the Taliban and we were discussing their crimes. Remember, that's when the woman was sentenced to death for being raped, and when they were destroying the Buddha statues, etc. Their solution to stop rape was to make the rapist marry his victim, so it wasn't rape. They regularly killed people who disagreed with them and women were treated intolerably. This was being carried by a wide spectrum of media outlets.
Are they living in a paradise now? No, but at least the religious freaks are gone. The warlords are all seperate and fight each other, at least their power could be broken. The Canadians and other peacekeepers are there trying to make the country actually safe. Are some women killed? Yeah, but not as many as before. And at least the "law" of the land isn't that women are posessions, whose murder is okay as long as it's done with an excuse from the Koran.
Much the same with Iraq, Saddam's crimes were clearly documented by British media. No Iraqi I'd ever talked to (two, about this issue) or seen or TV (from outside Iraq) ever said *anything* positive about Saddam. They all said he was a horrible dictator and that nobody in Iraq felt safe if they didn't agree with him. He ruled with the proverbial iron fist and would have been almost impossible to remove from inside. Once he's gone there are others but they haven't consolidated power and aren't are much of a threat. There's no way everyone would vote a dictator in again, given a real choice.
Perhaps the "gassing" of the kurds didn't happen as intentionally as it was supposed to have but he definately did intend them harm as the ongoing battles with them showed. (I'm sure they hated him too, but he's the one with the standing army.)
Showing that Iran, and Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait, are all nasty countries ruled by assholes doesn't disprove that Afghanistan and Iraq were. The world would be a better place if those countries were walled off. A thousand years ago they were a civilization, now they're a cesspool of murderous religion and sexism. The lucky ones will be liberated, the unlucky ones will keep those systems until they self destruct.
Any chance I could mod this entire thread down?
Slashdot discussions of a Dilbert-related survey are a poor choice of venue for expressing political opinions.
So lets see...
...Weasel O(1)
George Bush is a Weasel of O(1)
Politicians are Weasels of O(1)
He is a leader of the USA
He has ties to Oil Industry and Halliburton etc
So really George Bush is a Weasel to the 4th Power. Now why did forty some percent of voters choose him in 2000?
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
But weaseling out of things is what seperates us from the animals! ... Except for the weasel.
http://www.weasel.com
Whenever someone bashes the French for being arrogant I wonder who's the real culprit.
The war wasn't fought so US citizens could have the Iraqi oil.
It was fought so US companies could have the Iraqi oil distribution contracts.
At least someone sees what's going on...
And if you need a little extra confirmation of that, look at how the administration is hell-bent on assuring that the $20 billion to be spent fixing up Iraq's infrastructure (read "oil production facilities") be given as a grant instead of a loan. If we gave it as a loan then Iraq would have to retain control of the oil reserves so they could sell it to repay the loan. (Remember, the US overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran to prevent the nationalization of Iranian oil) If it is a grant, however, then the US can pressure the Iraqi Governing Council to sell off the oil reserves at ridiculously low prices to private energy corporations and forget about the money US taxpayers gave them.
What a friggin' racket! US taxpayers will be providing $20 billion (and more) to provide good facilities for oil corporations to make a profit. Talk about welfare deadbeats. If there is profit to be had there, then the oil corporations should invest their own damn money, not mine.
- Hail to our fearless misleader! Fool speed ahead!
> Are they living in a paradise now? No, but at least the religious freaks are gone.
Since you haven't checked the news lately, you'll be interested to hear that those freaks are murdering westerners and perceived collaborators all around the periphery of the country these days, and and have reorganized themselves to the point that we are now fighting pitched battles with them again.
And the regional warlords think of Karzai as the Mayor of Kabul...
I would guess that actually cleaning up the country would require about 10x the resources that the USA and the international community has actually committed there, and given Afghanistan's long, long history of tribal mentality without any substantial national sentiment, the commitment would probably have to last for about 50 years to make a lasting difference after the foreigners pulled out.
> Much the same with Iraq, Saddam's crimes were clearly documented by British media.
No one doubts that Saddam is a monster.
Nor that he was already a monster when he was our friend...
> There's no way everyone would vote a dictator in again, given a real choice.
Aye, there's the rub. In a year or two they will be able to vote for someone with the USA's stamp of approval. A few years later they'll be able to vote their 100% support for whoever is viscious enough and has enough heavily armed thugs to take over the country.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
> They are in the business of selling food, and the more food they sell, the more money they make. So they will use all the advertising tricks in the book to encourage people to buy more...
...and yet we don't think that people who spent too much on a car should be able to sue the dealership. I'm sorry, but this falls firmly under the concept of "caveat emptor". Basic health education is not lacking in the U.S., and it takes not a lot of effort to learn what's healthy to eat and what isn't. Because it's not a big secret that too much fat in your diet will make you gain weight, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask people to examine what they eat, and if you ask the counter person about nutrition information, that person will hand you a sheet that contains all of the nutrition information you need to see that the burgers are very high in fat. In short, the fact that McDonald's portrays their food in the best possible light does not excuse you from responsibility for examining their presentation with a critical eye.
Wow. And when you go to buy a car, there are people who actually make money by selling you accessories and rustproofing and dealer financing, and they'll use all the advertising tricks in the book to encourage people to buy more...
Virg
Um ... like, give an example there friend. I can name off dozens of Rush-being-a-twerp quotes for
you if you want. What have you got on Al Franken?
How did France end up as the Weaseliest Country. If the category of Weaseliest Company (Microsoft),
Weaseliest Organization (RIAA) & Weaseliest Individual (G.W.Bush) where all won by Americans wouldn`t that make America Weaseliest Country by default ?!?!?
There was no absolute rule in Afghanistan before the Taliban took power. Since the Soviets pulled out in 1989 it was a period of civil war until 1996 when the Taliban gained power over most of the country. Also, calling them warlords isn't completely accurate, since they're no longer at war. Afghanistan is a very tribally oriented country, and tribal leaders have regularly held positions of power and influence in areas where their tribes were predominant. At least now the different tribes and "warlords" are resolving differences through diplomacy and negotiations rather than large scale warfare.
The Taliban have the worst record on womens' rights of anybody in recent times. Some tribes may have had similar policies in the past, but are now allowing women more rights to remain in favor of western countries.
Many women are working again and girls are going to school, allowed by those in power. Some women are still wearing burkas, but many are not. The situation for women is a huge improvement since the Taliban was ousted.
Pure BS! Things have been steadily improving since Afghanistan was liberated. Personally, I don't think the West is doing quite enough to help, but the people there are definitely better off.
While the new Hamid Karzai government has little control beyond Kabul, the fighting that plagued Afghanistan for the last several decades has largely stopped now.
In some cases, yes, because people were coerced, or forced at gunpoint to fight for the Taliban. However, the ones responsible for atrocities and repression are being held accountable and jailed.
They officially condemned it, but allowed it to go on if they got a share of profits and all the drugs went outside the country. Maybe people should stop buying heroin in Britain. And the CIA does not make money off drugs.
Pure BS! The only place the US currently uses mines is the DMZ separating North and South Korea. The mines in Afghanistan have been t
And the 2nd amendment shows it even more.
This shows what a looser you are. You are wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Your couldn't be more wrong. So how do you like being wrong?
- Hail to our fearless misleader! Fool speed ahead!
But the do care if you wish to own a gun. I guess their copy of the Bill of Rights has less adms than mine does.
You are so wrong. Read it and weep. Oh, man, I love this thread.
Oh, yeah, did you see the AC's post to your sig the other day? Israeli/Palestininan Facts
- Hail to our fearless misleader! Fool speed ahead!
funny how the ACLU is completely silent when the 2nd or 10th amendments are involved
Only if you call this being silent.
- Hail to our fearless misleader! Fool speed ahead!
Just as I thought, you couldn't answer the question because you refuse to put yourself in their shoes. You know damn well that if it was you or your family or friend who was murdered, you'd change your mind in a heartbeat. So tell me, just how much more is your life worth than the typical Iraqi citizen?
No no. Goering was the Reichsmarshall for the Luftwaffe.
Joseph Goebbels was the Minister of Propaganda.
---anactofgod---
---anactofgod---
"Equal opportunity swindling - *that* is the true test of a sustainable democracy."
...because it has two right wings.
- Hail to our fearless misleader! Fool speed ahead!
you have to admit that yours are, and only then can you make an attempt to get better ones. that defies the system. The whole idea is to say "I'm not a weasel and my opponent is."
-- $G
Because we kept the receipts.
(Credit goes to the Onion for that one, IIRC. No, I don't actually believe Iraq has WMD these days. We know they tried to make/buy/steal them, but they failed.)
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
If you think Sadaam didn't have weapons, you've got your head up your ass. Why didn't he let in inspectors without stalling for weeks at a time? Why did he eventually stop letting them in? Why would he rather do the above and be deposed than stay in power?
All France did was waste time, allowing him to get their shit either A) destroyed or B) out of Iraq. I'm not surprised we haven't found anything real, they had months to destroy it.
As for France's motive, they were cuddling up to Sadaam. They had been building Iraq's infrastructure for years (phone, etc) and were pushing to do the same for oil pipelines - hence their wish to end the embargo despite Sadaam's not abiding by the 1991 treaty.
If our motive was oil, so was France's - and they had an interest in keeping Sadaam in power.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
You do know that was not actually about war, right? It was about some crazy fuck who was compelled to kill a lady he pawned some crap to.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
But I was assuming that those who voted most probably voted on all categories. At least it would be what I voted... meaning that much of the same voted for each item.
Nice to see somebody had some forethought on this. After all, yes, the French did have financial interests in the middle east, BUT, would they have not furthered their own interests by being an active participant in picking apart of remnants of the country? That is to say, they could really have profited either way... but it took balls to stand up to the US and take the subsequent media beating.
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You are ignoring the recent poll of Baghdad that Gallup did. 71 percent of those surveyed like our presence there and don't want us to leave any time soon.
It's ironic that more Iraqis support the war (percentage-wise) than Americans.
At least mafia-owned pizzarias make excellent pizza. Compare to Bill Gates.
So tax receipts will be infinite?
I think you outdid the most moronic statement in a while.
Granting your point that consumer spending leads to jobs, the GWB tax cuts went mostly to those whose spending is the lowest as a proportion of income. They were thus the least efficient targets for growth-oriented tax cuts. Payroll tax cuts and extended unemployment benefits would have been much stronger measures to boost the economy.
Are we up to 6th grade yet?
And since when have economists not been retards? Presumably there is a saddle point beyond which taking econ classes decreases intelligence. Fucking pseudo-science.
The U.S. is not upholding its principles.
having read a fair bunch of the comment on this, it seems inevitable that this would turn into a load of left/right dem/rep pro/anti US/EU ranting..
Remember, this is a survey.. I have not seen the original survey document, but these things can be misleading. Was it multi-choice or write-in? I have worked for a number of years supervising research, and by and large the biggest weasel in the whole thing is the person who framed the questions. Worth remembering.
As for left/reight US/EU etc etc, I am right-wing enough to have lots of hate, but left-wing enough to want to be fair about it, so I just hate everyone. Everywhere you go, assholes are the constant..
I guess all those Kurds gassed themselves, then. The UN never questioned Iraq's possession of WMDs, not France nor anyone else. The UN just put off making any real effort to determine the extent of WMD production and possession for some 12 years.
When you spend more than you take in, and rack up more than 7 times more debt than you have assets, and are still operating at a loss, that's a bad thing.
Check out David Walker's address to the National Press Club when it is available. I'm pretty sure he's had a few more economics classes than you have, and apparently a buttload more experience. But I'm sure you'll say that the Comptroller General of the United States know about economics, right?
Yes, I agree. That cheese eating bastard can go fuck himself.
Oh fuck off you dipshit. If you're not going to read what I post, don't respond. I'm serious, you haven't contributed anything so far and it's unlikely to change.
I'd rather a 2% chance of losing a family member than a 6% chance. Do I have to have a family member murdered to have a valid opinion?
Stupid French! I could be getting free healthcare right now!
I know why Billy Bob Clinton's name wasn't on the list -- he was busy under the desk with Monica, right? I mean, come on, that guy takes the cake at being a weasal. He openly admitted it. Billy knew how to lie, not only to a grand jury, a judge (several judges), and Congress -- but he also knew how to look straight into the TV camera and lie to us. 42nd 'President' my ass ... More like 1st National Disgrace and Public Nuisance Extraordinaire, if you ask me.
Bush is a weasal about as much as I am black. And no, I'm not going to dye or tan my skin.
Seth Anderson BTW, I'm not 23 anymore -- I am TexasCowboy26 now. =)
Again, you know damn well that you wouldn't sacrifice your own life for the arbitrary "cause" of some superpower government. No sane human being would. So how can you just shrug your shoulders and say "collateral damage" when other human beings are brutally murdered, WITHOUT being a bloody hypocrite?
Can you answer that question logically, or will you admit that hypocracy a necessary component of war? (Hint: No, you won't be able to answer that question logically. I've already proven that nobody can.)
I hope you realize exactly how lucky you are NOT to be one of those poor people who had their lives stolen from them. After all, you're a human being just like them, equally deserving of life. Right?
Who said anything about shrugging off collateral damage? If someone was going to die, at least Saddam has been removed. If someone had to die, at least they died in the removing of a dictator. What's so hard to understand about that?
I don't expect anyone to line up for their turn to die, but if you're going to be asked to take the chance, wouldn't you want the reason to be worth it?
My point is that you don't have a right in the world to determine whether or not "it was worth it" -- nor does government, nor does a majority, and nor does a "society" (which is nothing but a collection of unique thinking indivudals). Only the actual individuals who had their lives stolen can answer this, but they weren't given the chance. They were stripped of this most fundamental human right, by force, because some superpower government believed their cause to be worth more than the most fundamental human right to life. At the root of it all, you (or government, or a majority, or "society") can only say "it was worth it" because you weren't the one who was actually murdered. In other words, while you are lucky enough to retain your most fundamental human rights, at the same time, you won't respect the same fundamental rights of other individuals. And that is a superb example of hypocracy. If you ask me, that is the thinking of the devil himself. Don't you realize that your own government would strip YOU of your most fundamental human right -- just as easily as they murdered these poor people -- if they saw fit to do so? After all, you are a human being just like the poor people who were murdered in Iraq. Don't you see that the root of everything we're talking about is personal gain, masked by a lie called "the necessity of war"?
Did people get asked about their willingness to participate in Saddam's various killing sprees?
What you say sounds all nice and fluffy, with only the people whose lives would be at risk from the invasion getting a vote, but unfortunately it's simplistic and wrong. The people whose lives would be saved also get a vote. You can't simply draw a line around a small number of people and label them at risk from Saddam, and a small number and label them as potential casualties of war. As such, you can't poll the people involved. You simply have to weigh the sizes of the two groups and see which group is larger.
Haven't you read reports of and seen pictures of mass graves in Iraq? Haven't you heard of the guy who spent 10+ years in his parents attic after faking his death to avoid being tossed in jail and murdered? These weren't isolated cases, people were dying every day because of this, and vanishing so that their families had no idea if they were dead or alive.
Iraqi ex-patriots encourage this, they know what was going on and they want him removed. Presumably many have family there and they know the risks, but they still choose war. Many of them risked their lives fighting Saddam's regime, or simply leaving the country, and aren't asking people to face risks they themselves wouldn't.
ICI:
Un Projet Pour la Paix A Poste mai, 2003
Je vois un bon nombre de gens hurlant pour la paix mais je n'ai pas entendu parler d'un plan pour la paix. Ainsi, voici un plan:
1) Les USA feront des excuses au monde pour notre "interference" dans leurs affaires, apres et present. Nous ne promettrons jamais "nous y melons" encore.
2) Nous retirerons nos troupes de partout dans le monde, commencant par l'Allemagne, la Coree du Sud et les Philippines. Elles ne nous veulent pas la. Nous posterions des troupes a nos frontieres. Pas plus partant furtivement par des trous dans la barriere.
3) Tous les etrangers illegaux ont 90 jours pour obtenir leurs affaires ensemble et a partir. Nous leur donnerons une maison libre de voyage. Apres 90 jours le reste sera recueilli vers le haut et immediatement expulse, independamment de qui ou d'ou ils sont. La France les accueillerait.
4) Tous les futurs visiteurs seront completement verifies et limites a 90 visites de jour a moins que donne une laiss speciale. Personne d'une nation de terroriste ne seraient permis dedans. Si vous ne l'aimez pas la, changez-la vous-meme, ne se cachent pas ici. L'asile ne serait pas jamais disponible a n'importe qui. Nous n'avons besoin de plus de conducteurs de cabine.
5) Aucun age 21 d'excedent d'"etudiants". Le plus ancien est les bombardiers. S'ils ne suivent pas des classes, ils obtiennent un "D" et il est de retour a la maison, bebe.
6) Les USA feront un effort fort de devenir energie suffisante d'individu sage. Ceci inclura developper des sources non de pollution d'energie mais exigera un forage provisoire d'huile dans le desert d'Alaska. Le caribou devra faire face pendant un moment.
7) Offrez l'Arabie Saoudite et d'autres pays producteurs de petrole $10 un baril pour leur huile. S'ils ne l'aiment pas, nous allons someplace d'autre.
8) S'il y a une famine ou toute autre catastrophe normale dans le monde, nous "ne nous y melerons pas". Ils peuvent prier a Allah ou qui que ce soit que, pour des graines, pluie, ciment ou de celui qu'ils ont besoin. En outre, les la plupart de ce que nous leur donnons obtiennent "ont perdu" ou sont prises par leur armee. Le peuple qui a besoin d'elles obtient plus tres peu, quoi qu'il en soit.
9) Embarquez les sieges sociaux de l'cOnu a une ile un certain endroit. Nous n'avons pas besoin des espions et des amis justes de temps ici. En outre, il ferait un bon abri ou blocage sans foyer pour les etrangers illegaux. Employez les batiments comme remplacement pour les tours jumelles.
10) Tous les Americains doivent aller charmer et ecole de beaute. De cette facon, personne peut nous appeler "les Americains laids" plus longtemps.
Maintenant, n'est-il pas qu'un gagnant d'un plan?
"la statue de la liberte n'indique plus que 'donnez-moi vos pauvres, votre fatigue, vos masses blotties.' Elle a une batte de base-ball et elle hurle, 'vous veulent un morceau de moi?'"
Le fin
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Anyone know the email addresses of the RIAA execs? I want to send them a few copies of this. Maybe we all should. (hint, hint) Really, we all should. (hint, hint!) At 5 pm ET today (hint, hint, hint!!!)