...if SCO's IP was actually fully vetted, top to bottom, and all IP not belonging to them was outed, and it turns out the entire UNIX V project is free to all.
I work in an architecture office. There is nothing worse than crappy computers. Its not that a fast new one wouldn't be better, that misses the point. When I put time consuming data into a computer, and need to retreive it reliably, many times, over a span of years or longer, it is more than a big problem if the system goes down. I have spent 3 years on a project, entire computer upgrade cycles have come and gone, but the drawing set is stuck with linkages started in 2000, and built upon with hundreds and hundreds of hours of work. Each part of a major design is spread over several machines as well, with linkages from consultants, engineers, et cetera, that CANNOT fail, or the drawing set goes to hell, chaos, wasted time and $$$ by the truckload. Everything goes down with it, if one critical machine goes down, and the entire staff is left surfing the net instead of working. The big stuff is always backed up, it is usually small enough, but you can NEVER recover the nuance of a finely tuned drawing setup. You don't need lots of space or fast speed, you need consistency and predicatbility. Computers are like light bulbs, if it goes out in your bathroom, no problem; if it goes out in an operating room you are dead.
...of the Jury, we own over 1 million line of code in the Linux kernel and many worms written over the years..err...
This post has already been made 10 times in this forum in various guises. The Star Wars version, the Star Trek version, the Austin Powers version, the Chewbacca version. In addition to being based on trademarked/copyrighted characters and materials, all of these posts are in turn derivitive of past SCO/Linux posts made over the past few months, and thus violate copyright of those posts, and are thus illegal and I will sue you all for copyright infringement because I invented the the original SCO flame. "SCO sucks". I will thus add to the mayhem by adding my useless/. quote.
Darl McBride...Squeel like a pig BOY, squeel like a PIG.
It is a bad idea to pay $1 for a song I can only download once, have limited ability to use and burn to CD, and can never download again without paying $1 again. I will pay for convenience, service and quality products, I won't pay to be restricted or have top 40 crap shoved down my throat. Why doesn't the recording industry give me a licsence to use that song for my personal use forever, give me the ability to 'sell' it, store it on a conveniently formatted and indexed server, so I can carry my 'virtual' CD collection anywhere I can access the internet?
Empirical observations and theory are what this proposition is based on, oberservations limited by the tools, and theory limited by our ability to interpret our own findings. We evolved to perceive threats to our survival, like tigers, and SCO. We are not evolved to sense or understand quantum or extra-dimensional phenomena. We are like blind people in a room filled with gadgets. As we stumble across each one we tend to think that must be the nature of the universe. The key is not to understand the object, it is to understand the room, the objects and ourselves in relationship to those objects. And suppose they are right about heat death, what are they saying really? That energy will be uniform everywhere? That matter will all be perfectly spherical lumps of iron? Is that the end? The end of humanity yes, but not the END end. We don't know what was here 'before' the Big Bang, we don't know what caused it and now we presume we have definitive 'knowledge' about the end. I guess we don't need God anymore, these people have it all figured out! Or do they!
You don't ride the jackhammer. The best application would be a really fast and cheap cruise missile. You don't even need to blow anything up, just fly in circles over them and the sound will have them puking on the ground from the sound.
I wish I was in high school, I would copy your post and turn it in as a reasearch paper. It takes vast amounts of space. I bet I could stretch it even further if I switched fonts to Helvetica or Courier.
Bankruptcy will anhilate any remaining stock options and stock, cutting off any execs who are late in dumping. If they dump too much stock too fast the price will collapse and precipitate a crisis in confidence that may kill SCO, so they will have to be slow. Since they have no other debts, if they declare bankruptcy because of legal costs, it will probably be Chapter 7, which calls for complete liquidation, because of the consistently poor cash flow situation. Or less likely Chapter 11 which cancels all existing shares and debtors take over most or all equity. Ironically, the only major asset they have, Unix V, may go up for sale to the highest bidder (who would want to buy that for cheap, hint NOT MICROSOFT, hint IB_?). All IBM has to do is bankrupt them with a horde of vicious lawyers for complete victory. I can't see Microsoft getting involved with owning System V, or owning SCO, they would be a beacon for a lawsuit, and exposed to $billions in liability.
I would posit that you are not so much paranoid as you are fearful of your own sloth, weakness, paralysis, flatulance and inability to act against what you see as organized injustice. Any smart group of people can shut down any city, anywhere, until they get what they want; as long as they are willing to endure the wrath of the authorities. Just go stand in the middle of a highway with a road flare and watch the traffic jam grow, do that for 6 weeks and you will be noticed. Nobody said freedom or justice or democracy was cheap. You want it! FIGHT FOR IT. Otherwise sit in your cozy job and wait for them to chain you to the wall and force consumer culture up your ***. Cattle and sheep is all I see, where have the eagles gone!
The Book of Jobs Chapter 12: He who flameth others without cause shall reapeth the flames himself - ten fold. And whosoever casteth doubt on his brothers skillz shall be cast down in condemnation for himself being a jackass worthy of a kick to the forehead. For thou art a angry and contemptful even as thou deride the suffering of others who hath faced hardship and loss. Thou art shameless, cruel and petty; only fit for scorn and ridicule because of thy tiny wing wang. Amen!
The computer is becoming the new method of speech. Whoever controls the computer controls speech. Right now, no one has a lock on hardware, but Microsoft dominates software in the key market that most people live their daily lives with. You could say that Linux is a forum for free speech, a breath of fresh air in an otherwise oppressive atmosphere. I can see how government input can help this. It can provide security and vital services, and protect the rights of citizens from predatory companies or criminals, but central government control should not be a goal. The government is an 'enabler' for our society, not an end in itself.
This is a powerful technology. It could save your luggage from ending up in Boston instead of Baltimore. It could be attached to a toxic waste barrel to mark its location in a storage. It could be used to automate rail car coordination. It could be used in the ground to mark telecom lines, or as survey markers. The industry link is www.aimglobal.org. But by design it must have a limited range, otherwise the detector would pick up all tags at the same time. In a million square foot warehouse stocked floor to ceiling it would cause a data overload as all the signals converged! How would you know where your package was, is it in shipping or receiving? You need to be able to point it at a pallet, and record the contents as it goes by on a forklift, both in and out. This could revolutionize shipping and trucking, vastly reducing costs and improving efficiency. It could vastly improve inventory techniques, leading to cheaper prices and improved service. I doubt it would be good for tracking criminals/terrorists unless it was covertly placed. OK, assume the nuke has a tag...that says 'Nuclear Weapon', just swap it with one that says, 'cheese'. Now some poor cheese shop will get raided by Delta Force? And since the tags are passive, the only thing you will be able to know about a terrorist is that he ate some cheese. It seems to me that the real reason they want homeland security approval is that the farmers co-op selling ammonium nitrate doesn't want to be held responsible when his tank gets linked to a terrorist bomb or the Wal-Mart Sudafed gets linked to a meth lab. For the paranoid, just get a signal detector, find and 'disable' the signal. A hammer will probably do the trick. But be aware, automated tracking by video, bank transactions, phone calls, voice print, et cetera is already available. If someone with vast resources really wants to track you they will. If you want to be free you have to fight to keep it, otherwise you can live comfortably with mandatory 24 hr obeservation of all aspects of your life, the choice is yours. If people weren't so lazy about getting involved there would be no problem here.
Cut the hype, these are just imperical observations, not a definitive statement about the nature of the universe. I could just as easily say that energy and matter are inversely appreciated wave forms or distortion patterns which are a byproduct of a larger derivitive system which actually constitutes matter of a sort, in effect a manifiestation of a larger epiphenomena which is beyond our perception and that the universe as we see it is actually nothing more than a distortion or byproduct of that system, and that heat death is actually the dissipation of the distorted mirage which we call existence. There is no spoon! Not only that, there is no 'no' or 'is'. Who can PROVE me wrong? Even if these scientific obserservations are correct in some technical sense, they do not show a complete picture because we have limits on what we can perceive and understand (see ZARDOZ, http://www.badmovies.org/movies/zardoz/). To show a complete picture, we need to invent a science and philosophy that has not even been imagined yet, and is perhaps unimaginable. Scientists need to stop dabbling in grandiose, philosophy science in order to hype their reputations to get research grants and acolytes. They will never escape the human limitations of perceptual reasoning, they will never be God. God is dead...or is he.
I'm getting tired of all the same stuff being said OVER AND OVER AGAIN, without any real information being said. The truth is, we don't know the FACTS of the situation. Unfortunately there is no way to know the specifics without full access to the legal discovery process, and even then, it is a vast amount of tangled contracts and code that have to be disentangled. I prefer a much simpler method, ATTACK ROBOTS, programmed to destroy the SCO empire. Mu ha ha ha. MU HA HA HA HA HA!
SCO: I got a knife, give me $690 or I cut you. IBM: This here is a 44 magnum, it will take your head clean off. You gotta ask yourself one question...do you feel lucky. Do you punk!
This is pure IBM PR. IBM is smart however, unlike SCO, their PR is like a targeted precision bomb, unlikely to cause legal collateral damage, and sure to inspire the kind of confidence a team of kevlar suited bodyguards armed with M16's and HK-5's gives you, ready to pull up in a white Suburban and take care of business.
And since SCO can't sue IBM based on the text of the countersuit, IBM can make unsubstantiated broad allegations which may be false, and still be protected. The content of a lawsuit is not grounds for a separate lawsuit. SCO on the other hand has recklessly demanded cash on shaky legal ground, opening them up to all kinds of lawsuits, from numerous sources, and possibly criminal sanction. I admire the IBM team for their tactical skill and patience, a quality most everyone else seems to lack. This is not a game of who has the loudest mouth, it is a game of who is the last man standing. It seems like SCO will need to change their name again, to SCORPSE. They are dead.
"their FUD attempts have backfired at every twist and turn" This will backfire too. If Microsoft is using SCO as a proxy it will come out in the end. Why? MONEY! The SCO dispute has caused problems for ALL Linux distributors and developers worldwide. They are entitled to compensation. Microsoft has $46 billion in cash and are using SCO to do dirty tricks. That makes them liable or at least liable enough for me to sue them and perhaps get a nice out of court settlement. The one business lesson I have learned in life, 'go where the money is'.
These guys 'lost' over a billion dollars worth of stuff ($1,000,000,000) much of it permanently belonging to the Indian community NOT THE TAXPAYER. They royally screwed up things like property titles, trust funds for Federal use of their property for things like storing nuclear waste, uranium mining, et cetera. Many of these assets are guaranteed by treaties which were ratified by the US Congress and the Indian nations. If the BIA violates the treaties they would have to return the land those treaties guarantee. This is the highest form of contract obligation. They didn't even take the most basic precautions to protect this cash and property. The system by all accounts is completely inept to the point of being criminal negligence. Ovbiously the BIA has a role of servicing the Indian community contracts and treaties. If the Indian owner of the property demands where his cash is the BIA is obligated to tell him, he has a legal right to do this. The DOI 'losing' the cash is not an excuse, they have pay what they owe. They can't tell the Indian nations, "By the way we lost your cash so we aren't going to pay you." They are obligated to pay by contract and by Federal law. The BIA is right to sue, they have no other way to get those assets back from the DOI that belong to the native community and they are chartered to manage and protect! This is not about minorities victimizing us poor white people, it is about the US government following through on contract obligations, which they are currently in breach of.
This goes beyond social acceptance. Mechanical implants combined with stem cell therapy could extend life indefinitely, but it would be extremely expensive, thus leading to a problem. As medical technology becomes exponentially more expensive, fewer and fewer people will be able to afford it. This would make a pyramid of those who live and those who die, with the rich on the top buying life extending technologies, and the poor using old and cheap and inferior technology. And since these wealthy people could live forever they could acquire massive wealth and power, and use that power and wealth for ever greater wealth and power. What if Bill Gates were to live 300 years, how powerful might he become?
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...if SCO's IP was actually fully vetted, top to bottom, and all IP not belonging to them was outed, and it turns out the entire UNIX V project is free to all.
I work in an architecture office. There is nothing worse than crappy computers. Its not that a fast new one wouldn't be better, that misses the point. When I put time consuming data into a computer, and need to retreive it reliably, many times, over a span of years or longer, it is more than a big problem if the system goes down. I have spent 3 years on a project, entire computer upgrade cycles have come and gone, but the drawing set is stuck with linkages started in 2000, and built upon with hundreds and hundreds of hours of work. Each part of a major design is spread over several machines as well, with linkages from consultants, engineers, et cetera, that CANNOT fail, or the drawing set goes to hell, chaos, wasted time and $$$ by the truckload. Everything goes down with it, if one critical machine goes down, and the entire staff is left surfing the net instead of working. The big stuff is always backed up, it is usually small enough, but you can NEVER recover the nuance of a finely tuned drawing setup. You don't need lots of space or fast speed, you need consistency and predicatbility. Computers are like light bulbs, if it goes out in your bathroom, no problem; if it goes out in an operating room you are dead.
It is a bad idea to pay $1 for a song I can only download once, have limited ability to use and burn to CD, and can never download again without paying $1 again. I will pay for convenience, service and quality products, I won't pay to be restricted or have top 40 crap shoved down my throat. Why doesn't the recording industry give me a licsence to use that song for my personal use forever, give me the ability to 'sell' it, store it on a conveniently formatted and indexed server, so I can carry my 'virtual' CD collection anywhere I can access the internet?
Empirical observations and theory are what this proposition is based on, oberservations limited by the tools, and theory limited by our ability to interpret our own findings. We evolved to perceive threats to our survival, like tigers, and SCO. We are not evolved to sense or understand quantum or extra-dimensional phenomena. We are like blind people in a room filled with gadgets. As we stumble across each one we tend to think that must be the nature of the universe. The key is not to understand the object, it is to understand the room, the objects and ourselves in relationship to those objects. And suppose they are right about heat death, what are they saying really? That energy will be uniform everywhere? That matter will all be perfectly spherical lumps of iron? Is that the end? The end of humanity yes, but not the END end. We don't know what was here 'before' the Big Bang, we don't know what caused it and now we presume we have definitive 'knowledge' about the end. I guess we don't need God anymore, these people have it all figured out! Or do they!
You don't ride the jackhammer. The best application would be a really fast and cheap cruise missile. You don't even need to blow anything up, just fly in circles over them and the sound will have them puking on the ground from the sound.
No, especially since they can rip off others intellectual property, on their web page they rip off James Bond. http://www.sco.com/2003forum/
I wish I was in high school, I would copy your post and turn it in as a reasearch paper. It takes vast amounts of space. I bet I could stretch it even further if I switched fonts to Helvetica or Courier.
Bankruptcy will anhilate any remaining stock options and stock, cutting off any execs who are late in dumping. If they dump too much stock too fast the price will collapse and precipitate a crisis in confidence that may kill SCO, so they will have to be slow. Since they have no other debts, if they declare bankruptcy because of legal costs, it will probably be Chapter 7, which calls for complete liquidation, because of the consistently poor cash flow situation. Or less likely Chapter 11 which cancels all existing shares and debtors take over most or all equity. Ironically, the only major asset they have, Unix V, may go up for sale to the highest bidder (who would want to buy that for cheap, hint NOT MICROSOFT, hint IB_?). All IBM has to do is bankrupt them with a horde of vicious lawyers for complete victory. I can't see Microsoft getting involved with owning System V, or owning SCO, they would be a beacon for a lawsuit, and exposed to $billions in liability.
The Book of Jobs Chapter 12: He who flameth others without cause shall reapeth the flames himself - ten fold. And whosoever casteth doubt on his brothers skillz shall be cast down in condemnation for himself being a jackass worthy of a kick to the forehead. For thou art a angry and contemptful even as thou deride the suffering of others who hath faced hardship and loss. Thou art shameless, cruel and petty; only fit for scorn and ridicule because of thy tiny wing wang. Amen!
The computer is becoming the new method of speech. Whoever controls the computer controls speech. Right now, no one has a lock on hardware, but Microsoft dominates software in the key market that most people live their daily lives with. You could say that Linux is a forum for free speech, a breath of fresh air in an otherwise oppressive atmosphere. I can see how government input can help this. It can provide security and vital services, and protect the rights of citizens from predatory companies or criminals, but central government control should not be a goal. The government is an 'enabler' for our society, not an end in itself.
This is a powerful technology. It could save your luggage from ending up in Boston instead of Baltimore. It could be attached to a toxic waste barrel to mark its location in a storage. It could be used to automate rail car coordination. It could be used in the ground to mark telecom lines, or as survey markers. The industry link is www.aimglobal.org. But by design it must have a limited range, otherwise the detector would pick up all tags at the same time. In a million square foot warehouse stocked floor to ceiling it would cause a data overload as all the signals converged! How would you know where your package was, is it in shipping or receiving? You need to be able to point it at a pallet, and record the contents as it goes by on a forklift, both in and out. This could revolutionize shipping and trucking, vastly reducing costs and improving efficiency. It could vastly improve inventory techniques, leading to cheaper prices and improved service. I doubt it would be good for tracking criminals/terrorists unless it was covertly placed. OK, assume the nuke has a tag...that says 'Nuclear Weapon', just swap it with one that says, 'cheese'. Now some poor cheese shop will get raided by Delta Force? And since the tags are passive, the only thing you will be able to know about a terrorist is that he ate some cheese. It seems to me that the real reason they want homeland security approval is that the farmers co-op selling ammonium nitrate doesn't want to be held responsible when his tank gets linked to a terrorist bomb or the Wal-Mart Sudafed gets linked to a meth lab. For the paranoid, just get a signal detector, find and 'disable' the signal. A hammer will probably do the trick. But be aware, automated tracking by video, bank transactions, phone calls, voice print, et cetera is already available. If someone with vast resources really wants to track you they will. If you want to be free you have to fight to keep it, otherwise you can live comfortably with mandatory 24 hr obeservation of all aspects of your life, the choice is yours. If people weren't so lazy about getting involved there would be no problem here.
Duhhhh...rock...smash tag?
Cut the hype, these are just imperical observations, not a definitive statement about the nature of the universe. I could just as easily say that energy and matter are inversely appreciated wave forms or distortion patterns which are a byproduct of a larger derivitive system which actually constitutes matter of a sort, in effect a manifiestation of a larger epiphenomena which is beyond our perception and that the universe as we see it is actually nothing more than a distortion or byproduct of that system, and that heat death is actually the dissipation of the distorted mirage which we call existence. There is no spoon! Not only that, there is no 'no' or 'is'. Who can PROVE me wrong? Even if these scientific obserservations are correct in some technical sense, they do not show a complete picture because we have limits on what we can perceive and understand (see ZARDOZ, http://www.badmovies.org/movies/zardoz/). To show a complete picture, we need to invent a science and philosophy that has not even been imagined yet, and is perhaps unimaginable. Scientists need to stop dabbling in grandiose, philosophy science in order to hype their reputations to get research grants and acolytes. They will never escape the human limitations of perceptual reasoning, they will never be God. God is dead...or is he.
I'm getting tired of all the same stuff being said OVER AND OVER AGAIN, without any real information being said. The truth is, we don't know the FACTS of the situation. Unfortunately there is no way to know the specifics without full access to the legal discovery process, and even then, it is a vast amount of tangled contracts and code that have to be disentangled. I prefer a much simpler method, ATTACK ROBOTS, programmed to destroy the SCO empire. Mu ha ha ha. MU HA HA HA HA HA!
SCO: I got a knife, give me $690 or I cut you. IBM: This here is a 44 magnum, it will take your head clean off. You gotta ask yourself one question...do you feel lucky. Do you punk! This is pure IBM PR. IBM is smart however, unlike SCO, their PR is like a targeted precision bomb, unlikely to cause legal collateral damage, and sure to inspire the kind of confidence a team of kevlar suited bodyguards armed with M16's and HK-5's gives you, ready to pull up in a white Suburban and take care of business. And since SCO can't sue IBM based on the text of the countersuit, IBM can make unsubstantiated broad allegations which may be false, and still be protected. The content of a lawsuit is not grounds for a separate lawsuit. SCO on the other hand has recklessly demanded cash on shaky legal ground, opening them up to all kinds of lawsuits, from numerous sources, and possibly criminal sanction. I admire the IBM team for their tactical skill and patience, a quality most everyone else seems to lack. This is not a game of who has the loudest mouth, it is a game of who is the last man standing. It seems like SCO will need to change their name again, to SCORPSE. They are dead.
"their FUD attempts have backfired at every twist and turn" This will backfire too. If Microsoft is using SCO as a proxy it will come out in the end. Why? MONEY! The SCO dispute has caused problems for ALL Linux distributors and developers worldwide. They are entitled to compensation. Microsoft has $46 billion in cash and are using SCO to do dirty tricks. That makes them liable or at least liable enough for me to sue them and perhaps get a nice out of court settlement. The one business lesson I have learned in life, 'go where the money is'.
These guys 'lost' over a billion dollars worth of stuff ($1,000,000,000) much of it permanently belonging to the Indian community NOT THE TAXPAYER. They royally screwed up things like property titles, trust funds for Federal use of their property for things like storing nuclear waste, uranium mining, et cetera. Many of these assets are guaranteed by treaties which were ratified by the US Congress and the Indian nations. If the BIA violates the treaties they would have to return the land those treaties guarantee. This is the highest form of contract obligation. They didn't even take the most basic precautions to protect this cash and property. The system by all accounts is completely inept to the point of being criminal negligence. Ovbiously the BIA has a role of servicing the Indian community contracts and treaties. If the Indian owner of the property demands where his cash is the BIA is obligated to tell him, he has a legal right to do this. The DOI 'losing' the cash is not an excuse, they have pay what they owe. They can't tell the Indian nations, "By the way we lost your cash so we aren't going to pay you." They are obligated to pay by contract and by Federal law. The BIA is right to sue, they have no other way to get those assets back from the DOI that belong to the native community and they are chartered to manage and protect! This is not about minorities victimizing us poor white people, it is about the US government following through on contract obligations, which they are currently in breach of.
This goes beyond social acceptance. Mechanical implants combined with stem cell therapy could extend life indefinitely, but it would be extremely expensive, thus leading to a problem. As medical technology becomes exponentially more expensive, fewer and fewer people will be able to afford it. This would make a pyramid of those who live and those who die, with the rich on the top buying life extending technologies, and the poor using old and cheap and inferior technology. And since these wealthy people could live forever they could acquire massive wealth and power, and use that power and wealth for ever greater wealth and power. What if Bill Gates were to live 300 years, how powerful might he become?