Then it's not Supernews that is going to be refusing to propagate. It's going to be people down the line.
If a company wants to legally make sure everyone can read its usenet postings, then it would have to contract with every ISP and newsgroup server in the world.:)
There's no one for @Home to sue. Go read the faq for the UDP.
It's the exact same way I look at it. Government is inherently a bad thing; like any administration it forces a huge overhead on society sucking up an awful lot of tax money just to pay to keep itself alive and then more money to actually do stuff. Unfortunately in this day and age it is necessary to keep people from killing themselves.
I've always been optimistic that someday people will evolve to the point where governments will no longer be necessary at all, though I really doubt I will be seeing this happen in my lifetime.
Not at all, I remember reading about virii years before I first heard the word hax0r and all. "Virii" is a well established word arising from a mispluralization of "virus", but hax0r is a purposeful perversion on a word. It's two completely different things.
First of all, you talk like all the moderation is done by Slashdot administration. The moderation system was designed so that the community itself is the one moderating. Don't blame Rob and all for moderation, blame your community:)
In fact, most of the things you say are wrong with Slashdot can be blamed on the community simply in that they need to go make something better. Noone's forcing anyone to real Slahdot, and it's not as if it's the only webpage on the Internet.
The community gives them their power, and if the community feels the power is misplaced, the power will leave them. Appearantly the community doesn't feel that the power is misplaced. I know I certainly don't. BTW, I agree that the DVD release is just to maximize profits, buy it's still something I and many other people find interesting. If nothing else, it's an example of a little social hacking.
Often it seems that people loose sight of what Slashdot is.
Slashdot is a webpage started by Rob Malda so he can talk about things he thught were interesting to the geek community. Since then he has selected other people to post, and Slashdot has gotten help with the money side of the whole thing. Even though all of this, though, it is still his page, and he has the right to post whatever he wants and allow anyone who wants to to post too.
If this were the only source for news, then you would might have a reason to worry about biases and such, but it's not, you're not (directly) paying for it, and you have no reason to call them on ethics. They're not journalists, just people talking about what they find interesting.
I for one think this story could be important as it might be a clue as to why others are taking a while to adopt DVD and other technologies. For example, if piracy turned out to be a large issue, then it would have been provoked discussion on piracy issues. Because piracy was not a large issue here, it was equally important because it showed just that.
Oh hush, AC. I think virii has been pretty much accepted as a word, and as Mark Twain said "I have no respect for a man who can only spell a word one way."
Yes! I like this way of putting it. It hilights that it takes time to develop programs. This is a lot like the idea of licensing things with clauses making the software public domain after a certain period of time. I wish legislation would be passed limiting ALL software liscences as to time. After it's not making money for the creators anymore, the public should have it.
Last night Lawnmower Man was on, and I noticed the flying mouse that they were using.
Anyone have any thoughts on these?
For those who don't know, it's like a mouse that you hold in your hand, not on a desk. The one on the movie basically was contoured with extensions that fit over your thumb and pinky I guess it follows the movement of your hand, and the buttons are held against your fingers.
Thanks! I just went ahead and pulled the current source of glx off of their cvs, and replaced my older version. The new version is great! It's actually playable.
:) We're in the same boat. Those are the drivers I was using. I'm thinking it's hopeless, as I've even compiled the glx drivers with the K6-2 optomizations and no playability.
I accidentally had a dnet client running in the background, but that *shouldn't* be sucking too many cycles.
Listning to the radio does absolutely nothing because the radio station can't tell if I'm listning or not.
Digital/satellite opens the way for more channels, which opens the way for channels devoted to specific genres of music. You know: if you have only one radio station that plays every type of music, you'll end up having a much smaller variety of music played than you do now with stations specializing in rock or classical or whatnot.
It seems that people in this thread have many different ideas about what it is that record companies actually do. When this happens, it is usually a sign that something is out of whack, and an organization is just leeching off of others (in this case, the record companies leeching off of artists, broadcasters, and consumers).
The way I see it, with labels out of the way, artists can sell their music directly to the radio and tv stations collecting all of the royalties themselvs. If I am not mistaken, broadcasters are usually bound not to even hear demo tapes from artists without labels, and there is your limiting of the amount of public exposure. Withouth labels interfering, anyone who wants to can pitch their stuff to radio stations to seek the public's ear.
Sure, bands would probably hire an agent to help them pitch their stuff, but then the agent would be working for them, instead of them working for the record companies as it is now.
And as for compensation, isn't greater public exposure via the spread of mp3s a means of compensation? Of course legally it is stealing, but in some towns it's an offense to whistle on Sundays too....
A different thread's post said that studio time was about $100 an hour... which sounds about like what it costs in BR. So, you take a band with six members, divide 100 by 6 and get $16 each. That is not a lot of money for anyone. This is what, three McDonalds value meals? So the guys have to brown bag it a couple of lunches to make up for it. It's pretty near zero.
By production I meant actual manufacturing. But anyway, with the emergance of satelite and digital cable tv, there is already an emergance of new music video channels, which are already competing for eyes. This leads to broader searches for new talent. Plus, from what I understand sometimes a label will rope a station into playing its music a disproportionate amount, which limits the talent that the station can discover for itself, locking out new bands that are too risky for the label to take on.
If everyone listened to the radio there'd be no possibility of return on investment either:)
So what's your point? Listning to mp3s and not buying CDs is tantamount to listning to the radio and not buying CDs, and I might as well do either because noone gets paid either way.
Not true. If you attach a notice saying that you must credit the person you got the music from, it's just as binding as a copyright without being a copyright.
There are many local bands in my home town of Baton Rouge. Many of them master CDs. They do this by going to one of the three (that I know of) recording studios and buying a little time in the studio, which I understand to be surprisingly cheep. What they come out with sounds as good as any popular band's recordings. Production (recording and mixing) looks pretty near zero to me.
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MTV was used as a representative of all of the music video channels, and with increased numbers of channels from satelite and digital cable, there's more and more music video channels. Specialized music video channels are already popping up because people want to watch videos of their favorite genre and will therefore see the advertisements that can be shown to a targeted audience. MTV et all HAS to have stuff to show. They will buy rights from the artist. Radio will find people and video channels will find people, increasing the overall exposure. In my model, power flows away from almost useless oragnizations such as the RIAA and go to the artists who make the music (they will be able to work the deals themselvs), the radio and tv companies who distribute/advertise it (they will be able to pull in more music without having to worry about upsetting one label...I know it happens), and the people who listen to it (who will be able to get the music for next to nothing).
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This is true, and many of the small bands around here burn their own audio CDs one at a time because no label will take the risk of picking them up. I just wonder if it would be possible to have the structure be where radio/tv station buys music from artist directly, replacing CDs as the main source of income (I assume they are now). Then, the artist gets a better deal by getting nearly 100% of the money headed to them, and the radio/tv stations don't bootleg because they are regulated through their liscences. At that point who cares if people trade MP3s? CDs would still be popular for quite a while before moving to the status of collector's items with huge markups, and the money lost by the loss of sale of CDs would be absorbed by not having to deal with the label. Of course bands could hire managers to take care of arranging recording sessions and videos and stuff, but then the managers would work for the band instead of the band working for the label. Radio stations have it tough having to deal with the labels too, or so I hear. I'm sure they'd love to cut that out. Underground bands would have more access to airplay (and money from airplay), and thus exposure, and thus they get to tour if they're good enough, and get more money. And don't even get me started on the love of the music factor.
Slashdot Mirror
Relaying is a very very integral part of the Usenet's working. Removing any link at all is bad.
Plus, active methods actually go out and cancel all messages from the host under the UDP.
~Chris
Then it's not Supernews that is going to be refusing to propagate. It's going to be people down the line.
:)
If a company wants to legally make sure everyone can read its usenet postings, then it would have to contract with every ISP and newsgroup server in the world.
There's no one for @Home to sue. Go read the faq for the UDP.
~Chris Carlin
It's the exact same way I look at it. Government is inherently a bad thing; like any administration it forces a huge overhead on society sucking up an awful lot of tax money just to pay to keep itself alive and then more money to actually do stuff. Unfortunately in this day and age it is necessary to keep people from killing themselves.
I've always been optimistic that someday people will evolve to the point where governments will no longer be necessary at all, though I really doubt I will be seeing this happen in my lifetime.
People just aren't ready to rule themselves.
~Chris Carlin
Chris Carlin
In fact, most of the things you say are wrong with Slashdot can be blamed on the community simply in that they need to go make something better. Noone's forcing anyone to real Slahdot, and it's not as if it's the only webpage on the Internet.
The community gives them their power, and if the community feels the power is misplaced, the power will leave them. Appearantly the community doesn't feel that the power is misplaced. I know I certainly don't. BTW, I agree that the DVD release is just to maximize profits, buy it's still something I and many other people find interesting. If nothing else, it's an example of a little social hacking.
~Chris Carlin
Slashdot is a webpage started by Rob Malda so he can talk about things he thught were interesting to the geek community. Since then he has selected other people to post, and Slashdot has gotten help with the money side of the whole thing. Even though all of this, though, it is still his page, and he has the right to post whatever he wants and allow anyone who wants to to post too.
If this were the only source for news, then you would might have a reason to worry about biases and such, but it's not, you're not (directly) paying for it, and you have no reason to call them on ethics. They're not journalists, just people talking about what they find interesting.
I for one think this story could be important as it might be a clue as to why others are taking a while to adopt DVD and other technologies. For example, if piracy turned out to be a large issue, then it would have been provoked discussion on piracy issues. Because piracy was not a large issue here, it was equally important because it showed just that.
Chris Carlin, really late at night
Oh hush, AC.
I think virii has been pretty much accepted as a word, and as Mark Twain said "I have no respect for a man who can only spell a word one way."
~Chris Carlin
Of course it won't. These projects are unifying protocols, not creating new ones.
Yes!
I like this way of putting it.
It hilights that it takes time to develop programs. This is a lot like the idea of licensing things with clauses making the software public domain after a certain period of time.
I wish legislation would be passed limiting ALL software liscences as to time. After it's not making money for the creators anymore, the public should have it.
~Chris
I made the same mistake :)
Last night Lawnmower Man was on, and I noticed the flying mouse that they were using.
Anyone have any thoughts on these?
For those who don't know, it's like a mouse that you hold in your hand, not on a desk. The one on the movie basically was contoured with extensions that fit over your thumb and pinky I guess it follows the movement of your hand, and the buttons are held against your fingers.
Thanks!
:)
I just went ahead and pulled the current source of glx off of their cvs, and replaced my older version. The new version is great! It's actually playable.
Thanks for the impetus to upgrade my library
~Chris
:) We're in the same boat.
Those are the drivers I was using.
I'm thinking it's hopeless, as I've even compiled the glx drivers with the K6-2 optomizations and no playability.
I accidentally had a dnet client running in the background, but that *shouldn't* be sucking too many cycles.
~Chris
I have no problem whatsoever accessing www.quake3arena.com.
but my K6-2 300 with a Matrox G200 is unplayable.
About one fps.
Any tips?
~Chris Carlin
My AMD K6-2 300 with 128 megs and a Matrox G200 card is unplayable :)
So how does Sandpiper work? Distributed proxies? It seems kinda sketchy.
~Chris
Listning to the radio does absolutely nothing because the radio station can't tell if I'm listning or not.
Digital/satellite opens the way for more channels, which opens the way for channels devoted to specific genres of music. You know: if you have only one radio station that plays every type of music, you'll end up having a much smaller variety of music played than you do now with stations specializing in rock or classical or whatnot.
It seems that people in this thread have many different ideas about what it is that record companies actually do. When this happens, it is usually a sign that something is out of whack, and an organization is just leeching off of others (in this case, the record companies leeching off of artists, broadcasters, and consumers).
The way I see it, with labels out of the way, artists can sell their music directly to the radio and tv stations collecting all of the royalties themselvs. If I am not mistaken, broadcasters are usually bound not to even hear demo tapes from artists without labels, and there is your limiting of the amount of public exposure. Withouth labels interfering, anyone who wants to can pitch their stuff to radio stations to seek the public's ear.
Sure, bands would probably hire an agent to help them pitch their stuff, but then the agent would be working for them, instead of them working for the record companies as it is now.
And as for compensation, isn't greater public exposure via the spread of mp3s a means of compensation? Of course legally it is stealing, but in some towns it's an offense to whistle on Sundays too....
A different thread's post said that studio time was about $100 an hour... which sounds about like what it costs in BR. So, you take a band with six members, divide 100 by 6 and get $16 each. That is not a lot of money for anyone. This is what, three McDonalds value meals? So the guys have to brown bag it a couple of lunches to make up for it. It's pretty near zero.
By production I meant actual manufacturing.
:)
But anyway, with the emergance of satelite and digital cable tv, there is already an emergance of new music video channels, which are already competing for eyes. This leads to broader searches for new talent. Plus, from what I understand sometimes a label will rope a station into playing its music a disproportionate amount, which limits
the talent that the station can discover for itself, locking out new bands that are too risky for the label to take on.
If everyone listened to the radio there'd be no possibility of return on investment either
So what's your point? Listning to mp3s and not buying CDs is tantamount to listning to the radio and not buying CDs, and I might as well do either because noone gets paid either way.
Not true.
If you attach a notice saying that you must credit the person you got the music from, it's just as binding as a copyright without being a copyright.
There are many local bands in my home town of Baton Rouge. Many of them master CDs. They do this by going to one of the three (that I know of) recording studios and buying a little time in the studio, which I understand to be surprisingly cheep. What they come out with sounds as good as any popular band's recordings. Production (recording and mixing) looks pretty near zero to me.
MTV was used as a representative of all of the music video channels, and with increased numbers of channels from satelite and digital cable, there's more and more music video channels.
Specialized music video channels are already popping up because people want to watch videos of their favorite genre and will therefore see the advertisements that can be shown to a targeted audience.
MTV et all HAS to have stuff to show. They will buy rights from the artist. Radio will find people and video channels will find people, increasing the overall exposure.
In my model, power flows away from almost useless oragnizations such as the RIAA and go to the artists who make the music (they will be able to work the deals themselvs), the radio and tv companies who distribute/advertise it (they will be able to pull in more music without having to worry about upsetting one label...I know it happens), and the people who listen to it (who will be able to get the music for next to nothing).
This is true, and many of the small bands around here burn their own audio CDs one at a time because no label will take the risk of picking them up.
I just wonder if it would be possible to have the structure be where radio/tv station buys music from artist directly, replacing CDs as the main source of income (I assume they are now).
Then, the artist gets a better deal by getting nearly 100% of the money headed to them, and the radio/tv stations don't bootleg because they are regulated through their liscences.
At that point who cares if people trade MP3s? CDs would still be popular for quite a while before moving to the status of collector's items with huge markups, and the money lost by the loss of sale of CDs would be absorbed by not having to deal with the label.
Of course bands could hire managers to take care of arranging recording sessions and videos and stuff, but then the managers would work for the band instead of the band working for the label.
Radio stations have it tough having to deal with the labels too, or so I hear. I'm sure they'd love to cut that out.
Underground bands would have more access to airplay (and money from airplay), and thus exposure, and thus they get to tour if they're good enough, and get more money.
And don't even get me started on the love of the music factor.