- DOS had the business apps like Lotus 123 that better systems, like Amiga and MacOS lacked. - The porn industry almost totally used VHS. Remember, there's more pornographic films sold to households than non-porn films.
Which actually bodes quite well for Linux. Good apps are suddenly things like Firefox, Evolution (which will get a few eyeballs when the Win32 version comes out) and Openoffice 2 (which I think will get a few more eyeballs with it's new-to-OpenOffice 'doesn't suck' feature).
* I can sit down at a normal machine and find Firefox, OpenOffice 2, xchat, etc. * I might get PPC drivers for my broadcom wireless card * I could get more games and other nifty software for Linux * I could get better support from my vendor
* I also work in Linux related areas, an an increase in demand would mean I could get more jobs for better money.
HEY, STUPID CUNT WHO SEEMS TO LIKE YELLING MORE THAN DOING FIVE SECONDS WORTH OF RESEARCH INTO THE ISSUE HE'S YELLING ABOUT, which Java 1.5 JVM meets the Open Source definition?
Not from Sun (proprietary software) Not from IBM (see above) Not from Kaffe and Classpath (older spec) Not from GCJ (not a JVM)
OK, you could compile the Java source to.Net bytecode and run it under Mono.
Or you pretend 'open' meant 1990 era OpenClosedThing, rather than Open Source. Cause that's what we're talking about, yeah. Good luck with that.
A lot more common apps are multithreaded than people think. Nautilus, Firefox, OpenOffice, Gnome Terminal, and, um Gnome Weather Applet are all mutithreaded.
Even if no apps on your system are multithreaded, if you're like the 99% of users who run multiple processes simultaneously, you'll still get an advantage. Your updating app runs on one core while your desktop runs on another, for example.
Multiple people thinking the same thing is no proof of a herd mentality. It seems the only real example of groupthink seems to be the outrageous idea that that people want to censor any debate. Often, it's the same folk who talk about promoting 'freedom' in foreign countries.
Bush being very disliked doesn't mean he's being vilified either.
Excuse me, the right to my own political opinion, and its differences from yours, does not mean I am negative, at least any more than it means you're generally negative. It just means I live in a demonocracy where freedom of expression is valued.
Remember kids, you're either for freedom or you're for the terrorists.
As a OS X user, I would also say anything that requires X11 is not a native OS X application. With no core OS X technology support (little things like colorsync, quicktime, etc), Gimp will really never take off on OS X. I personally will stick to using photoshop.
After playing with OSS a while you realize that more than one person usually wants what you want, provided its a reasonably common problem you're addressing.
You're now ready for the fourth part of this mission, the ordered murder of the ho you earlier dropped off at the hotel. It seems her john, an evangelical preacher, wants to take her away from the job, and Jizzy isn't having any of that. The preacher is in a stretch limo, escorted by a black SUV with armed guards.
The trick here is to concentrate on the limo first. I used an MP5 and just pulled up alongside them, but if you've been to driving school you could try using the P.I.T. maneuver too. Once the escaping duo have been eliminated, finish off the guards. Jizzy will tell you to keep the pimpmobile or destroy it; I put it in my garage back at The Garage.
Why? Most people who play videogames aren't children, they're in their 20s. Someone who isn't aware of that thingks that GTA causes kids to be violent in much the same way watching somebody beaten to death with a baseball bat in Goodfellas does.
No wait, kids can't see Goodfellas. That's a grown up movie. What, you mean grownups watch movies
I don't know if the US has videogame ratings, but if they do, and they're enforced, children would have a pretty hard time getting their hands on GTA.
If the US doesn't have videogame ratings, or they're not enforced, then that's your problem.
It looks as if someone who doesn't understand video games is trying to create a problem.
Sure I like the idea of views too. But ultimately the files have to go somewhere, and things like a/var directory for the things you're serving and a/usr directory for non-essential binaries and libraries are useful, because you can put those directories on a specific storage device.
And are views even necessary? When you need to address all the different files from a particular app, you use a pakage manager anyway.
Many modern distros (I use Fedora) install and use sub-pixel rendering by default. Gnome (and IIRC KDE) also has a control panel option to control this.
"There is no earthly reason why a GUI application should scatter files hither and yon across a hard drive"
Because your impotant binaries, less importanmt binaries, documentation, and config files should all be in the one place, rather than scattered hither and yon across a billion application specific directories?
- I can run any app by typing its name because every app has its binaries in the PATH dir - I can back up by configuration by copying my/etc dir - I can speed up my server by putting its busiest directory (/var, which stores my web site, FTP site, DNS zone files, LDAP directory, and anythign else I'm serving) on my fastest disk. - I can have as many mount points as I want, but I only need one, small partition to recover my ststem, as all my important binaries and libraries are in/, and my less important stuff is kept sperately in/usr.
It's possible to create easy ways to browse, fetch and install software on Linux without losing the benfits that Unix style filesystems provide. Try Synaptic!
"Dropping to a terminal, cd pathtoapp, tar -jxvf whatever.tar.gz, cd newpath,./configure; make; make install is too much shit for a user -- and then how to uninstall? Keep the source directory there forever? "
Agreed. But how is using 2 package sytems (as the autopackge author recommends) with a weird distinction between what's installed in your current distro and 'third paty' apps easier than:
1). Putting a link to 'Synaptic software installer' 2). Having them browse for their app or simply type its name. 3). Letting them click OK as the app and its dependencies are downloaded and installed for them
"I'll tell you this now, the packaging system is not the factor that people base their decisions to run windows on."
Agreed.
"When you are installing from installshield, you're basically saying: 'Hello random executable from the internet (even if you are signed by someone), here"
True, but that's only because Microsoft sign any app / activeX control you ask them to. Its not a design flaw (apart from inherently trusting MS), its a human problem.
"overwrite any of my libraries you'd like, with whatever obscure or customised version you want. "
Apps aren't allowed to overwrite system.DLL anymore. Windows protects these files (has since 2K) and its very rare to see apps writing over system libraries these days (the way's it done is a little hacky, letting the apps overwrite the file then overwriting it back to the original, but that's another story).
"Oh, and while you're at it, do whatever you want to my registry...'"
Dunno enough about Windows registr perm,issions to answer that one.
"The reason is that most of these packaging solutions, while great for developers and those who want detailed knowledge of the inner workings of their systems, simply suck when given to mortal users."
Put a user in front of a half autopackage half RPM/dpkg solution (remember kids, the autopackage author thinks you should maintain two packaging systems and an arbitrary distinction between stuff included in your distro and stuff that's not, yet).
Take that same user, and put them in front of Synaptic, or (tho I haven't tried it) that cute little Ubuntu updater thing.
"I fail to see how that, even in a system that uses an apt repository, you would be able to prevent a user from downloading and installing some random RPM from a website. You would have to have a severely crippled OS."
It's pretty simple: if the package isn't signed by someone you trust, refuse to install it. This has the been the behaviour in up2date since it was created, and yum does the same thing. I'd be very surprised if apt/get (at least on systems where package signing is expected) didn't do the same.
RPM itself, when used directly, currently throws up a warning if a package isn't signed by someone trusted, but (uunlike up2date / yum / etc) still installs it. This behavior may change in future tho.
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'Flying Snake Howto' pfft.
I was all pumped up for a meat-modding exerciose that told me how to convert my existing snake into a flying one with cool neons and shit.
It's just a stupid science article.
Actually, I'd say both were about content.
- DOS had the business apps like Lotus 123 that better systems, like Amiga and MacOS lacked.
- The porn industry almost totally used VHS. Remember, there's more pornographic films sold to households than non-porn films.
Which actually bodes quite well for Linux. Good apps are suddenly things like Firefox, Evolution (which will get a few eyeballs when the Win32 version comes out) and Openoffice 2 (which I think will get a few more eyeballs with it's new-to-OpenOffice 'doesn't suck' feature).
I'm not sure if you can qualify insects as animals, but you get the picture.
Your doubt was well founded. Insects are actually very clever plants.
I prefer Linux, so if other people use it too:
* I can sit down at a normal machine and find Firefox, OpenOffice 2, xchat, etc.
* I might get PPC drivers for my broadcom wireless card
* I could get more games and other nifty software for Linux
* I could get better support from my vendor
* I also work in Linux related areas, an an increase in demand would mean I could get more jobs for better money.
Python which is slow
What?
You're saying Python, used in millions of Linux distro installers and desktop apps, is slower for end user applications than Java?
Got any proof? Hell, got anyone else to agree with you?
I've never heard anyone say "oh, those 25 GUI desktop config apps in Fedora are slow - that's cause they're Python" - have you?
Ever heard anyone say a desktop Java app was slow?
HEY, STUPID CUNT WHO SEEMS TO LIKE YELLING MORE THAN DOING FIVE SECONDS WORTH OF RESEARCH INTO THE ISSUE HE'S YELLING ABOUT, which Java 1.5 JVM meets the Open Source definition?
.Net bytecode and run it under Mono.
Not from Sun (proprietary software)
Not from IBM (see above)
Not from Kaffe and Classpath (older spec)
Not from GCJ (not a JVM)
OK, you could compile the Java source to
Or you pretend 'open' meant 1990 era OpenClosedThing, rather than Open Source. Cause that's what we're talking about, yeah. Good luck with that.
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A lot more common apps are multithreaded than people think. Nautilus, Firefox, OpenOffice, Gnome Terminal, and, um Gnome Weather Applet are all mutithreaded.
Even if no apps on your system are multithreaded, if you're like the 99% of users who run multiple processes simultaneously, you'll still get an advantage. Your updating app runs on one core while your desktop runs on another, for example.
Name a company that can seriously put all of there resources together and pose a serious threat to Microsoft?
Google.
And you meant 'their'.
I think that GCJ is now capable of running the Java elements of OpenOffice 2 is a testament that it is beginning to mature.
and would take years to reach the performance and stability of Sun's JVM even with huge resources.
I think you'll find that huge resources would be used to make the JVM better, rather than give it the performance and stability of Sun's JVM.
Multiple people thinking the same thing is no proof of a herd mentality. It seems the only real example of groupthink seems to be the outrageous idea that that people want to censor any debate. Often, it's the same folk who talk about promoting 'freedom' in foreign countries.
Bush being very disliked doesn't mean he's being vilified either.
Excuse me, the right to my own political opinion, and its differences from yours, does not mean I am negative, at least any more than it means you're generally negative. It just means I live in a demonocracy where freedom of expression is valued.
Remember kids, you're either for freedom or you're for the terrorists.
I still don't see how someone is supposed to make money off software that's supposed to be given away.
Then investigate the business model and positive profitability of most Open Source companies.
It wouldn't be hard to develop a services model based on the idea of BK being an Open Source, widely distributed tool every developer knows.
Carbon isn't Aqua?
As a OS X user, I would also say anything that requires X11 is not a native OS X application. With no core OS X technology support (little things like colorsync, quicktime, etc), Gimp will really never take off on OS X. I personally will stick to using photoshop.
After playing with OSS a while you realize that more than one person usually wants what you want, provided its a reasonably common problem you're addressing.
GTK2 is being ported to OSX (without needing X11.
You're now ready for the fourth part of this mission, the ordered murder of the ho you earlier dropped off at the hotel. It seems her john, an evangelical preacher, wants to take her away from the job, and Jizzy isn't having any of that. The preacher is in a stretch limo, escorted by a black SUV with armed guards.
The trick here is to concentrate on the limo first. I used an MP5 and just pulled up alongside them, but if you've been to driving school you could try using the P.I.T. maneuver too. Once the escaping duo have been eliminated, finish off the guards. Jizzy will tell you to keep the pimpmobile or destroy it; I put it in my garage back at The Garage.
Why? Most people who play videogames aren't children, they're in their 20s. Someone who isn't aware of that thingks that GTA causes kids to be violent in much the same way watching somebody beaten to death with a baseball bat in Goodfellas does.
No wait, kids can't see Goodfellas. That's a grown up movie.
What, you mean grownups watch movies
I don't know if the US has videogame ratings, but if they do, and they're enforced, children would have a pretty hard time getting their hands on GTA.
If the US doesn't have videogame ratings, or they're not enforced, then that's your problem.
It looks as if someone who doesn't understand video games is trying to create a problem.
1:1.2
Sure I like the idea of views too. But ultimately the files have to go somewhere, and things like a /var directory for the things you're serving and a /usr directory for non-essential binaries and libraries are useful, because you can put those directories on a specific storage device.
And are views even necessary? When you need to address all the different files from a particular app, you use a pakage manager anyway.
Many modern distros (I use Fedora) install and use sub-pixel rendering by default. Gnome (and IIRC KDE) also has a control panel option to control this.
"There is no earthly reason why a GUI application should scatter files hither and yon across a hard drive"
/etc dir /, and my less important stuff is kept sperately in /usr.
Because your impotant binaries, less importanmt binaries, documentation, and config files should all be in the one place, rather than scattered hither and yon across a billion application specific directories?
- I can run any app by typing its name because every app has its binaries in the PATH dir
- I can back up by configuration by copying my
- I can speed up my server by putting its busiest directory (/var, which stores my web site, FTP site, DNS zone files, LDAP directory, and anythign else I'm serving) on my fastest disk.
- I can have as many mount points as I want, but I only need one, small partition to recover my ststem, as all my important binaries and libraries are in
It's possible to create easy ways to browse, fetch and install software on Linux without losing the benfits that Unix style filesystems provide. Try Synaptic!
"Dropping to a terminal, cd pathtoapp, tar -jxvf whatever.tar.gz, cd newpath, ./configure; make; make install is too much shit for a user -- and then how to uninstall? Keep the source directory there forever? "
Agreed. But how is using 2 package sytems (as the autopackge author recommends) with a weird distinction between what's installed in your current distro and 'third paty' apps easier than:
1). Putting a link to 'Synaptic software installer'
2). Having them browse for their app or simply type its name.
3). Letting them click OK as the app and its dependencies are downloaded and installed for them
?
"I'll tell you this now, the packaging system is not the factor that people base their decisions to run windows on."
.DLL anymore. Windows protects these files (has since 2K) and its very rare to see apps writing over system libraries these days (the way's it done is a little hacky, letting the apps overwrite the file then overwriting it back to the original, but that's another story).
Agreed.
"When you are installing from installshield, you're basically saying: 'Hello random executable from the internet (even if you are signed by someone), here"
True, but that's only because Microsoft sign any app / activeX control you ask them to. Its not a design flaw (apart from inherently trusting MS), its a human problem.
"overwrite any of my libraries you'd like, with whatever obscure or customised version you want. "
Apps aren't allowed to overwrite system
"Oh, and while you're at it, do whatever you want to my registry...'"
Dunno enough about Windows registr perm,issions to answer that one.
"The reason is that most of these packaging solutions, while great for developers and those who want detailed knowledge of the inner workings of their systems, simply suck when given to mortal users."
Put a user in front of a half autopackage half RPM/dpkg solution (remember kids, the autopackage author thinks you should maintain two packaging systems and an arbitrary distinction between stuff included in your distro and stuff that's not, yet).
Take that same user, and put them in front of Synaptic, or (tho I haven't tried it) that cute little Ubuntu updater thing.
Then make up your mind.
"I fail to see how that, even in a system that uses an apt repository, you would be able to prevent a user from downloading and installing some random RPM from a website. You would have to have a severely crippled OS."
It's pretty simple: if the package isn't signed by someone you trust, refuse to install it. This has the been the behaviour in up2date since it was created, and yum does the same thing. I'd be very surprised if apt/get (at least on systems where package signing is expected) didn't do the same.
RPM itself, when used directly, currently throws up a warning if a package isn't signed by someone trusted, but (uunlike up2date / yum / etc) still installs it. This behavior may change in future tho.