Why exactly do you use Free Software beefstu01? Do you have a reason?
Thanks for your overly personal rant. I think that beefstu might use Free Software for the same reason I do: people appreciate quality software. Its not that hard to believe. Much Open Source (and Free) Software (Galeon, Red Carpet, KDE, etc) is of good quality because it is Open Source, and has many developers and attracts good talent. Much however (90% of the apps on Freshmeat) isn't - because the category requires more resources to develop, because its hard to make a services based busines model selling video games (though it has been done), because there aren't to many people attracted to or employed to write free software programs for certain tasks - educational games, for instance.
Many (in my experience most) people use Linux because its good, not because they're obliged to under a set of ethics they don't agree with.
the truth is that the dynamics and S/N ratio of a good vinyl will never match that of a bad CD, and the only difference between a vinyl and a CD is the audio on the vinyl is compressed.
Er, no. The CD has a frequency: it beeps 44100 times a second. The record player on the other hand is atomically granular - it plays whatever the atoms below the head is. S/N is severely lessened if you're using modern unit, especially a laser vinyl player.
Yeah, you're right - the overwhelming amount of people can't hear the diff, but I think you might not be 100% accurate about some of technical stuff.
You just make this stuff up, don't you? In fact, the only major MDI app MS still puts out is Access.
I know they've changed Office with 2000 (hence the use of most windows apps), and IE has been SDI for a long time, but I wasn't aware they changed their guidelines.
In fact, MS's own style guidelines discourage MDI.
Fair enough, I stand corrected.
I guess the truth is inconvenient when it's Microsoft in the crosshairs.
I guess politeness is inconvenient when someone makes a mistake. Fair enough then, piss off you weak pathetic annoying fuckwit. : )
KDE is a clone of MS Windows? How? Because it uses a list box widget to display a list of applications? Sorry to burst your bubble, the Start menu came from OS/2, not that it's especially unique or anything.
KDE is findamentally different from Windows in a variety of ways - style guidelines word strongly against MDI apps, which are the standard for most Windows apps despite being confusing to end users. KDE is more focused around using multiple desktops than Windows is, Windows still encourages users to log on as someone else if they'd like to run a program as another user (runas is flaky) rather than KDE's kdesu approach.
Windows looks like my AtariST. MacOS looks like Next, and older MacOS looks like Xerox porototype work.
Everyone's stealing ideas from everyone else - XPs task grouping came about after GNOME had this feature for years. KDE grabs concepts from MacOS and OS/2 too, as does Windows.
Ideally, I'd like the controls to be the directional joypad and perhaps four buttons, arranged so that they could be used either upright (for PDAing) or with one's left or right hand for gaming.
Of course, this implies the screen will be rotated (90 deg anticlockwise for righties, 90 deg clockwise for leftyscum) - please tell me this will be the case? Quake needs pixels, damnit;)
Crossover (Quicktime, Shockwave,etc )works in Konq
on
KDE 2.2.2
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KDE 2.2.2's Konqueror fixes many well known bugs in Konqueror's Netscape plugin API, which now means that:
* Quicktime / QuicktimeVR
* Shockwave
* Ipix
And many more of the browser plugins supported by Codeweavers Crossover now work under Konqueror.
I doubt that any software suites for Linux are 100% like Microsoft's products.
My school (and many others) uses Apple products, and the Microsoft products on those are as different from their Windows versions as StarOffice 6 is from MS Office. Windows 95 was more different from Windows 3.1 than 2000 is from KDE. Windows, icons, a menu and a pointer don't change. Kids pick these skills up and take them anywhere
What we need for the schools is a universal system (and one where the kernel doesn't need recompiled daily.)
If you think that the kernel EVER needs to be recompiled on a desktop system you're simply wrong.
That's true - there have obviously been single player FPSes released on Linux before, but SoF, Shogo and HG2 came out ages ago - the point I made is that this will be the first one that's been released in a very long while (ten months or so).
They will be judged against people's rose tinted rememberances of the original Wolfenstein 3D. And no matter how good it is, people will say 'Ahhh I enjoyed the original more.'
Are you sure? From the trailer and the multiplayer preview it looks awesome - check the realistic explosion on the building, the physics of the soldiers flying in with parachutes, and, or course, the flamethrower, which I think I'll probably remeber as much as the first time I heard `meinleiven' (or whatever) come out of the shiny new SoundBlaster 2.0
It will also be one of the first single player focused 3D shooters to be released on the Linux platform for ages (depending on whether or not Heavy Metal FAKK 2 makes its way to the shelves quicker or not). Rune and Heretic were third person, and Q3 and UT were multiplayer focused. This has me salivating for a good single player FPS - they're a lot more atmospheric than multi or third person games.
And of course, the obligatory reminder that you all should buy it from Tux Games (for all you Yanks), Everything Linux or wherever else will ship with the Linux binaries to show your support for your OS of choice...
I guess all you need to do is
* define `add on'
* define` extra'
* define `essential'
* define `core'
In a way more than 10% of OSS Unix users wil agree on. Good luck. The FHS uses whether a system booted without/usr will be runnable and recoverable to determine whether files should be under / or/usr.
But they don't bother defining what's optional (leading to the pathetic situation of having ten or different sets of KDE packages for various Linuxes).
I don't consider a workstation to be functional unless it has a GUI. A set top box might have an TV tuner app and DVD player as an `essential' piece of software.
If they get to put these apps under/, and other distro's have to put them under/usr, yo ucan give up on the idea of knowing where apps are on a Unix system. Which defeats the pourpose of the FHS.
My $0.02 says the FHS has failed miserably (Rusty removing the long-awaited and long debated and finally resolved/media proprosal without anyone's consultation was the last straw).
Fuck it - let's all organize out system Dan bernstein style.
Speaking of elitism (!), there's a vast quantity of... er.... spooky folk in the IT industry. I hang out with a bunch of clever people that all seem to work in computer related fields - Sys Admin, Developers, Hell Deskers, Web designers, etc., tho a few work in other fields.
Hanging out after hours we all seem to be attracted to pretty much the same places. One of Australia's largest ISPs, Connect.com.au, doesn't seem to hire anyone else, and there's quite a few people who like the goff or metal `scene' (though that word sucks) at my own workplace.
Runs on a commodity Pentium-class or higher (assume approximately ~166 MHz or higher) x86 hardware, 32 MB of RAM, preferably within 16 MB of RAM.
Sounds reasionable. Use Keith Ps TinyX X server, which is used on Microwindows any many oother embedded Linux systems.
Is very barebones - I do not need a full distro. Under ~128 MB in size would be great.
My work does embedded Linux consumer devices for Large Unnamed Japanese Electronics Company. 128MB is doable.
Pico or VIM is okay for a default editor.
They're unecessary too. Obviously the end user won't modify text files. Keep the whole development on a seperate OC and cross compile - this keeps the shit off the small box and means you can compile things faster.
Requires no user intervention to boot, get a DHCP lease, load X-Windows, start the rdesktop client, and connect to a machine with the DNS name of "termserver" or other similiar handy name.
Cool. Autologin to X by a particular user is supported by most display managers. Then in whatever users.xinitrc or.xsession (I can never remember which is which) put:
START
#!/bin/bash
# Change the background color and cursor
xsetroot -solid rgb:39/6d/a4 -cursor/terminal/cursor.xpm/terminal/mask.xpm
# Set the variable lasthost to the content of the.rdplasthost file
lasthost=`cat.rdplasthost`
# Set the variable host to the stdout of Xdialog
host=`Xdialog --stdout --icon rdesktop.xpm --no-cancel --ok-label "Connect" --inputbox "" 400x200 $lasthost`
# If we can ping the host, continue. If not, fuck off:)
# Seems good. Lets remember it for next time.
rm -rf.rdplasthost
touch.rdplasthost
echo $host >>.rdplasthost
# Run an rdesktop session on the host
rdesktop -g 1152x864 -f $host
END
Provides a clean, friendly method of powering off the machine without causing data corruption on the file-system level (ie, after disconnected, will prompt for re-connection or shutdown).
Have the button on the front force a shutdown. This is easy with most embedded hardware. You'd also use a journalling filesystem.
Supports at least three commodity network cards
Linux can do that if you want, but I don't think you want that. Buy an untra tiny embedded box from Advantech that fits in the back on an PCD display. This way the hardware is a `known quantity' and problems are a lot easier to troubleshoot - less variables equals less things to go wrong, which is important to anyone making embedded boxes. How often do you change the hardware on your NCD thinterm RDP terminals? That's right - not very often.
Supports a VESA standard SVGA video card, with X-Windows running in 800x600 @ 8 bit color (256 colours). The Windows 2000 Terminal Server will not support anything higher than 256 colours so its not needed to support high/true color modes.
Cool. But fuck 800 x 600. Give them 1024 LCDs. You know you want to, and you'll sell more boxes.
Hides all boot messages from the kernel etc, and instead replaces them with a friendly "Please Wait" message.
Is distributed to me in the form of a ghost-compatible image that when restored to disk is ready to run as described above.
Ghost is a waste of money unless your doing multicast installs. For the rest of us, PartImage will perform the same function more reliably with
far less expense.
Testing under VMware shouldn't be a problem, but again, I'd test on the actual device.
Way OT I know, but I have to ask, what the Hell is a banned Bjork film clip? Are you talking about a Bjork music video?
Yeah, in Australia we use the term `film clip' to descibe what USA folk call `music videos'.
The film clip for Pagan Poetry has been banned from most of the video clip shows because it shows Blork wearing a dress made from pearls which have been threaded through and beneath the skin on her back, including the act of piercing her skin and pushing the pearls through.
Its actually quite a bit more pleasant than that and its quite interesting to watch - check out her website
Crossover. It plays Quicktime, Shockwave, Ipix, Efax, and other win32 web browser plugins under Linux.
Works with Galeon, Moz, Netscape, and KDE 2.2.2 (currently in CVS).
Proprietary license, but most code is given right back to the Wine project. In fact, Codeweavers seems to be almost THE Wine project - founder Alexander Julliard and many other core Wine developers earn their living at Codeweavers. So they seem good for the community.
I own it, and its good (especially the recent 1.01 version). Yay trailers for movies that won't come out in Australia for ages, and banned Bjork film clips!
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More cool screenshots can be found at this link :
http://www.sunspirestudios.com/images/
Indeed - check out the new competitive team based mode, with voice commands and enemy taunts!
Indeed, they seem to have taken it down. It was made a while ago and is in DivX format, and about 7 MB.
I have it - if you have the bandwidth to host it I'll mail it to you.
Mike
Why exactly do you use Free Software beefstu01? Do you have a reason?
Thanks for your overly personal rant. I think that beefstu might use Free Software for the same reason I do: people appreciate quality software. Its not that hard to believe. Much Open Source (and Free) Software (Galeon, Red Carpet, KDE, etc) is of good quality because it is Open Source, and has many developers and attracts good talent. Much however (90% of the apps on Freshmeat) isn't - because the category requires more resources to develop, because its hard to make a services based busines model selling video games (though it has been done), because there aren't to many people attracted to or employed to write free software programs for certain tasks - educational games, for instance.
Many (in my experience most) people use Linux because its good, not because they're obliged to under a set of ethics they don't agree with.
the truth is that the dynamics and S/N ratio of a good vinyl will never match that of a bad CD, and the only difference between a vinyl and a CD is the audio on the vinyl is compressed.
Er, no. The CD has a frequency: it beeps 44100 times a second. The record player on the other hand is atomically granular - it plays whatever the atoms below the head is. S/N is severely lessened if you're using modern unit, especially a laser vinyl player.
Yeah, you're right - the overwhelming amount of people can't hear the diff, but I think you might not be 100% accurate about some of technical stuff.
Thanks, that was nice, I appreciate that.
You just make this stuff up, don't you? In fact, the only major MDI app MS still puts out is Access.
I know they've changed Office with 2000 (hence the use of most windows apps), and IE has been SDI for a long time, but I wasn't aware they changed their guidelines.
In fact, MS's own style guidelines discourage MDI.
Fair enough, I stand corrected.
I guess the truth is inconvenient when it's Microsoft in the crosshairs.
I guess politeness is inconvenient when someone makes a mistake. Fair enough then, piss off you weak pathetic annoying fuckwit. : )
Can I use WINE to emulate win32 in Linux and run KDE with it?
Well actually....
KDE is a clone of MS Windows? How? Because it uses a list box widget to display a list of applications? Sorry to burst your bubble, the Start menu came from OS/2, not that it's especially unique or anything.
KDE is findamentally different from Windows in a variety of ways - style guidelines word strongly against MDI apps, which are the standard for most Windows apps despite being confusing to end users. KDE is more focused around using multiple desktops than Windows is, Windows still encourages users to log on as someone else if they'd like to run a program as another user (runas is flaky) rather than KDE's kdesu approach.
Windows looks like my AtariST. MacOS looks like Next, and older MacOS looks like Xerox porototype work.
Everyone's stealing ideas from everyone else - XPs task grouping came about after GNOME had this feature for years. KDE grabs concepts from MacOS and OS/2 too, as does Windows.
Ideally, I'd like the controls to be the directional joypad and perhaps four buttons, arranged so that they could be used either upright (for PDAing) or with one's left or right hand for gaming.
;)
Of course, this implies the screen will be rotated (90 deg anticlockwise for righties, 90 deg clockwise for leftyscum) - please tell me this will be the case? Quake needs pixels, damnit
KDE 2.2.2's Konqueror fixes many well known bugs in Konqueror's Netscape plugin API, which now means that:
* Quicktime / QuicktimeVR
* Shockwave
* Ipix
And many more of the browser plugins supported by Codeweavers Crossover now work under Konqueror.
I doubt that any software suites for Linux are 100% like Microsoft's products.
My school (and many others) uses Apple products, and the Microsoft products on those are as different from their Windows versions as StarOffice 6 is from MS Office. Windows 95 was more different from Windows 3.1 than 2000 is from KDE. Windows, icons, a menu and a pointer don't change. Kids pick these skills up and take them anywhere
What we need for the schools is a universal system (and one where the kernel doesn't need recompiled daily.)
If you think that the kernel EVER needs to be recompiled on a desktop system you're simply wrong.
People recompile kernels because they want to.
What educational software is there for Linux? I mean REALLY?
Creatures is pretty popular, so is Simcity 3000 and Civ:CTP / FreeCiv, and Tux Math, and Tux Type, etc.
That's true - there have obviously been single player FPSes released on Linux before, but SoF, Shogo and HG2 came out ages ago - the point I made is that this will be the first one that's been released in a very long while (ten months or so).
Shogo was released by Hyperion, BTW
They will be judged against people's rose tinted rememberances of the original Wolfenstein 3D. And no matter how good it is, people will say 'Ahhh I enjoyed the original more.'
...
Are you sure? From the trailer and the multiplayer preview it looks awesome - check the realistic explosion on the building, the physics of the soldiers flying in with parachutes, and, or course, the flamethrower, which I think I'll probably remeber as much as the first time I heard `meinleiven' (or whatever) come out of the shiny new SoundBlaster 2.0
It will also be one of the first single player focused 3D shooters to be released on the Linux platform for ages (depending on whether or not Heavy Metal FAKK 2 makes its way to the shelves quicker or not). Rune and Heretic were third person, and Q3 and UT were multiplayer focused. This has me salivating for a good single player FPS - they're a lot more atmospheric than multi or third person games.
And of course, the obligatory reminder that you all should buy it from Tux Games (for all you Yanks), Everything Linux or wherever else will ship with the Linux binaries to show your support for your OS of choice
The FHS states: /opt is reserved for the installation of add-on application software packages.
Thats great, especially when the FHS resfuses to clarify what `add-on' application software is.
Oops, I do believe that `touch' is supposed to be a `mkdir'...anyway, point still stands.
When you consider the /usr or /local was similar in purpose as "program files" (or progra~1 if you want to be specific)
:D
cd program files
C:\program files
Works in Windows
touch "test directory"
cd test directorybash: cd: test: No such file or directory
Doesn't in Unix
Have a nice day
I guess all you need to do is
/usr will be runnable and recoverable to determine whether files should be under / or /usr.
/, and other distro's have to put them under /usr, yo ucan give up on the idea of knowing where apps are on a Unix system. Which defeats the pourpose of the FHS.
/media proprosal without anyone's consultation was the last straw).
* define `add on'
* define` extra'
* define `essential'
* define `core'
In a way more than 10% of OSS Unix users wil agree on. Good luck. The FHS uses whether a system booted without
But they don't bother defining what's optional (leading to the pathetic situation of having ten or different sets of KDE packages for various Linuxes).
I don't consider a workstation to be functional unless it has a GUI. A set top box might have an TV tuner app and DVD player as an `essential' piece of software.
If they get to put these apps under
My $0.02 says the FHS has failed miserably (Rusty removing the long-awaited and long debated and finally resolved
Fuck it - let's all organize out system Dan bernstein style.
Doing this better allows for the installation and maintenance of change root services.
Something the FHS seems to think is an unusual case, soemthing I personally see as the reason I use Unix for servers despite its other flaws.
Speaking of elitism (!), there's a vast quantity of ... er.... spooky folk in the IT industry. I hang out with a bunch of clever people that all seem to work in computer related fields - Sys Admin, Developers, Hell Deskers, Web designers, etc., tho a few work in other fields.
Hanging out after hours we all seem to be attracted to pretty much the same places. One of Australia's largest ISPs, Connect.com.au, doesn't seem to hire anyone else, and there's quite a few people who like the goff or metal `scene' (though that word sucks) at my own workplace.
Is the mnadrake gaming edition different from the regular versionf of the Sims? I.e, does Mandrake 8 Gaming Edition =
1. Mandrake + Ordinary Version of Sims + Transgaming WineX
2. Mandrake + WienX Winelib compiled version of the Sims?
I've heard reports that 2 is the case. If so can I play this version of the Sims on other distros? Can I obtain it seperately from Mandake?
AFAIK this won't allow Quicktime to work under a web browser. And besides, I'd rather support the developers.
Runs on a commodity Pentium-class or higher (assume approximately ~166 MHz or higher) x86 hardware, 32 MB of RAM, preferably within 16 MB of RAM.
.xinitrc or .xsession (I can never remember which is which) put:
/terminal/cursor.xpm /terminal/mask.xpm
.rdplasthost file
.rdplasthost`
:)
.rdplasthost
.rdplasthost
.rdplasthost
Sounds reasionable. Use Keith Ps TinyX X server, which is used on Microwindows any many oother embedded Linux systems.
Is very barebones - I do not need a full distro. Under ~128 MB in size would be great.
My work does embedded Linux consumer devices for Large Unnamed Japanese Electronics Company. 128MB is doable.
Pico or VIM is okay for a default editor.
They're unecessary too. Obviously the end user won't modify text files. Keep the whole development on a seperate OC and cross compile - this keeps the shit off the small box and means you can compile things faster.
Requires no user intervention to boot, get a DHCP lease, load X-Windows, start the rdesktop client, and connect to a machine with the DNS name of "termserver" or other similiar handy name.
Cool. Autologin to X by a particular user is supported by most display managers. Then in whatever users
START
#!/bin/bash
# Change the background color and cursor
xsetroot -solid rgb:39/6d/a4 -cursor
# Set the variable lasthost to the content of the
lasthost=`cat
# Set the variable host to the stdout of Xdialog
host=`Xdialog --stdout --icon rdesktop.xpm --no-cancel --ok-label "Connect" --inputbox "" 400x200 $lasthost`
# If we can ping the host, continue. If not, fuck off
# Seems good. Lets remember it for next time.
rm -rf
touch
echo $host >>
# Run an rdesktop session on the host
rdesktop -g 1152x864 -f $host
END
Provides a clean, friendly method of powering off the machine without causing data corruption on the file-system level (ie, after disconnected, will prompt for re-connection or shutdown).
Have the button on the front force a shutdown. This is easy with most embedded hardware. You'd also use a journalling filesystem.
Supports at least three commodity network cards
Linux can do that if you want, but I don't think you want that. Buy an untra tiny embedded box from Advantech that fits in the back on an PCD display. This way the hardware is a `known quantity' and problems are a lot easier to troubleshoot - less variables equals less things to go wrong, which is important to anyone making embedded boxes. How often do you change the hardware on your NCD thinterm RDP terminals? That's right - not very often.
Supports a VESA standard SVGA video card, with X-Windows running in 800x600 @ 8 bit color (256 colours). The Windows 2000 Terminal Server will not support anything higher than 256 colours so its not needed to support high/true color modes.
Cool. But fuck 800 x 600. Give them 1024 LCDs. You know you want to, and you'll sell more boxes.
Hides all boot messages from the kernel etc, and instead replaces them with a friendly "Please Wait" message.
Linux Progress Patch will do exactly that.
Is distributed to me in the form of a ghost-compatible image that when restored to disk is ready to run as described above.
Ghost is a waste of money unless your doing multicast installs. For the rest of us, PartImage will perform the same function more reliably with
far less expense.
Testing under VMware shouldn't be a problem, but again, I'd test on the actual device.
Everything I've mentioned is BSD / GPL license compatible (including PartImage).
Way OT I know, but I have to ask, what the Hell is a banned Bjork film clip? Are you talking about a Bjork music video?
Yeah, in Australia we use the term `film clip' to descibe what USA folk call `music videos'.
The film clip for Pagan Poetry has been banned from most of the video clip shows because it shows Blork wearing a dress made from pearls which have been threaded through and beneath the skin on her back, including the act of piercing her skin and pushing the pearls through.
Its actually quite a bit more pleasant than that and its quite interesting to watch - check out her website
Crossover. It plays Quicktime, Shockwave, Ipix, Efax, and other win32 web browser plugins under Linux.
Works with Galeon, Moz, Netscape, and KDE 2.2.2 (currently in CVS).
Proprietary license, but most code is given right back to the Wine project. In fact, Codeweavers seems to be almost THE Wine project - founder Alexander Julliard and many other core Wine developers earn their living at Codeweavers. So they seem good for the community.
Download the demo or buy the real thing here.
I own it, and its good (especially the recent 1.01 version). Yay trailers for movies that won't come out in Australia for ages, and banned Bjork film clips!