Yeah...OE is the worst problem ridden POS email client I've ever encountered.
But on the downside, then we'll get to support a email client over the next ?5? years on older machines that will probably no longer have updates done for it. Try to convince these people to upgrade? Hah. I still support Win95 people...although I'm slowly converting them to linux:)
Joy. Thanks, MS. So, when are you going to cut off security updates? Finally figured it out, haven't you?
I shocked a long time windows user recently when he came over to my house to use my broadband connection, and I noted that my Gentoo linux install has locked up ONCE in the last three months. He said WTF? - and he's running a custom tweaked XP machine on vanilla hardware. Sigh.
I then, with glee, noted to him that the system I was using at the moment, that he was seeing, was Gentoo running the 2.6.0-test3 BETA kernel....and it actually seems more stable - although it was hell to install:) but I was doing multiple compiles, image work for his uploads, and surfing...the system response shocked him.
I think I just made another convert:)
Kudos to the kernel team, alsa seems incredibly stable in the kernel:)
I doubt they will, tho. I think that the decision makers at IBM have seen the writing on the wall. They, unlike MS, SCO, and others, know that FOSS will eventually dominate no matter what the closed source vendors do. You can't stop people from writing software in anything short of an Orwellian-style police state. If Linux is killed, something else will arise to take it's place.
There's simply too much computing power out there in the hands of individuals to ever stop it. IBM has realized that it's not 1980 anymore.
Good for them.
Assuming they continue to think that way, linux and FOSS finally has a financial power behind it that is nearly unstoppable. It's about time!
Actually he'd only heard about it as a news blurb. He was quite amazed when I explained a lot of the details to him. It was the Tivo thing that really set him off laughing...he just couldn't believe they would be that clueless - and it got even funnier from then on. I don't think I paid for a single beer after that:) and my ribs hurt!
You do have to realize that it costs a helluva lot of money to come to the Sturgis rally (you wouldn't believe!! how much prices go up around here during the rally) and a lot of the bikers here are actually very successful businesspeople. This is how they relax:) and kudos to them.
I just moved out here this spring, and the people out here, and the bikers, and the tourists, national and international, are the greatest bunch of people I've ever been privileged to know. I visited the traveling wall (Vietnam wall) yesterday in the company of several of them, whom I had just met, to pay homage to my Dad's brother....it was a very, very emotional experience. No shame in crying on a buddies shoulder, no sirree. A lot of the id10ts in this country could learn something there, I think. These ppl don't bullshit around, and I think that in the long run, that'll be very bad news for ppl such as Darl, Bush, Lay, and that sort.
I can't wait to hear the slashdot story (in the future, of course) when Darl gets out of prison and needs to have his house wired with cat5. Of course the geek that comes over to do it is a slashdot junky....and history is made:)
WHACK WHACK WHACK
lol If nothing else Darl, Chris, and Co. will get a Darwin award, I hope:)
realityshunt (Who is 36 and still amazed at life) Confucius say: He who grows up early grows old too fast.
I live in South Dakota near Sturgis, where the big bike rally is in full swing right now, and last night I was in a local bar, talking to a lawyer from Nevada (6'7" 260 lbs, greasy leathers, and we're talking about IT and legalese:) and after I explained the SCO debacle to him, he literally fell off his stool laughing. Said he's going to start following it (and visit slashdot) and that he cannot WAIT for the SEC to slap Darl and Co. back into the Jurassic (his exact words).
They've pissed off virtually the entire IT industry (barring some of the id10ts at the Gartner group and a few other clueless bastards).
I can just see it....someday, Darl gets out of prison, and wants to have his house wired with cat5. The geek who comes over to do it is a slashdotter with a long memory.....
If any post on slashdot ever deserved a +100 funny, this one is it!
It's ironic to me especially because I live in South Dakota near Sturgis and the annual rally is right now in full swing. I was actually talking to a lawyer from Nevada last night at a local bar about the SCO mess, and he was of the opinion that the SEC is going to come down on them like a #1 chain-swinging Hells Angels bunch from the 60s:)
He also wondered, tongue in cheek, just where these guys were getting their crack from, as it must be pretty damned high quality.
(It's an interesting experience to sit down in a bar next to someone who is 6'7", 260 lbs, greasy leathers, etc, and have talk about SCO, IT, and slashdot - he didn't know about slashdot but will be visiting soon:)
I absolute agree. I used Mandrake and RH for a few years (mostly for their beautiful stability over windows); installing Gentoo taught me a lot about how the system operates -- especially about config files and what they are for, and about kernel compiles/config.
I've actually noticed a significant improvement in KDE's responsiveness under heavy system load with my Gentoo install, as vs. my Mandrake and RH installs on the same box (with same kernel version and recompiled kernels from the dist kernel).
I don't have any benchmarks, and can't really prove it, but there is a noticeable difference. No, I can't explain it...but it *is* why I use the Gentoo install much more often than either of the other ones.
Humor impaired mod.....I've been running Gentoo since Rc1.4_1 and use it pretty much exclusive of every other OS on this computer. Screw you.
It's a reality of Gentoo that one spends a lot more time loading and configuring the OS than on most other modern distributions. We at least ought to be able to joke about it. Guess the mod just didn't understand. Too bad. He/she should give Gentoo a try. It rocks.
Read my comment asking advice about 2.6 elsewhere in this story thread....
realityshunt [ looking forward to a weekend spent inside on the 'puter while it is over 100 deg F outside ]
Actually I'll be doing a new install on a different partition, so my old install remains intact regardless of the various mistakes I know I'll make.
Having just bought a new 120Gb HD for the system ( the old install is in a 8 Gb partition on a 20G drive) I'm ready for and have the room for experimentation.
That said, anyone out there in the Gentoo world had experience with doing the 2.6 series kernels with 1.4(beta)? Any advice would be appreciated.
It's time to finally start that Gentoo install with the 2.6 kernel series that I've been putting off.
I've been seriously too interested in the outside this summer. I have an actual tan, a girlfriend, and have put enough miles on the bike that I have to replace the tires. Enough! It's time for this insanity to stop!
Time to download and emerge! Bring on those multi-hour computer sessions! Woot!
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah...OE is the worst problem ridden POS email client I've ever encountered.
:)
But on the downside, then we'll get to support a email client over the next ?5? years on older machines that will probably no longer have updates done for it. Try to convince these people to upgrade? Hah. I still support Win95 people...although I'm slowly converting them to linux
Joy. Thanks, MS. So, when are you going to cut off security updates? Finally figured it out, haven't you?
realityshunt
Yeah, it's as bad as that.
:) but I was doing multiple compiles, image work for his uploads, and surfing...the system response shocked him.
:)
:)
I shocked a long time windows user recently when he came over to my house to use my broadband connection, and I noted that my Gentoo linux install has locked up ONCE in the last three months. He said WTF? - and he's running a custom tweaked XP machine on vanilla hardware. Sigh.
I then, with glee, noted to him that the system I was using at the moment, that he was seeing, was Gentoo running the 2.6.0-test3 BETA kernel....and it actually seems more stable - although it was hell to install
I think I just made another convert
Kudos to the kernel team, alsa seems incredibly stable in the kernel
realityshunt
I doubt they will, tho. I think that the decision makers at IBM have seen the writing on the wall. They, unlike MS, SCO, and others, know that FOSS will eventually dominate no matter what the closed source vendors do. You can't stop people from writing software in anything short of an Orwellian-style police state. If Linux is killed, something else will arise to take it's place.
There's simply too much computing power out there in the hands of individuals to ever stop it. IBM has realized that it's not 1980 anymore.
Good for them.
Assuming they continue to think that way, linux and FOSS finally has a financial power behind it that is nearly unstoppable. It's about time!
Kudos, IBM. Bitchslap those id10ts.
realityshunt
It took the Japanese to destroy the steel industry...
realityshunt
I just finished reading the last SCO article!
You'd think these were Mozilla release candidates or something...
realityshunt
ROFL
:) and my ribs hurt!
:) and kudos to them.
:)
:)
Actually he'd only heard about it as a news blurb. He was quite amazed when I explained a lot of the details to him. It was the Tivo thing that really set him off laughing...he just couldn't believe they would be that clueless - and it got even funnier from then on. I don't think I paid for a single beer after that
You do have to realize that it costs a helluva lot of money to come to the Sturgis rally (you wouldn't believe!! how much prices go up around here during the rally) and a lot of the bikers here are actually very successful businesspeople. This is how they relax
I just moved out here this spring, and the people out here, and the bikers, and the tourists, national and international, are the greatest bunch of people I've ever been privileged to know. I visited the traveling wall (Vietnam wall) yesterday in the company of several of them, whom I had just met, to pay homage to my Dad's brother....it was a very, very emotional experience. No shame in crying on a buddies shoulder, no sirree. A lot of the id10ts in this country could learn something there, I think. These ppl don't bullshit around, and I think that in the long run, that'll be very bad news for ppl such as Darl, Bush, Lay, and that sort.
I can't wait to hear the slashdot story (in the future, of course) when Darl gets out of prison and needs to have his house wired with cat5. Of course the geek that comes over to do it is a slashdot junky....and history is made
WHACK WHACK WHACK
lol
If nothing else Darl, Chris, and Co. will get a Darwin award, I hope
realityshunt
(Who is 36 and still amazed at life)
Confucius say: He who grows up early grows old too fast.
LOL! Exactamondo!
:) and after I explained the SCO debacle to him, he literally fell off his stool laughing. Said he's going to start following it (and visit slashdot) and that he cannot WAIT for the SEC to slap Darl and Co. back into the Jurassic (his exact words).
I live in South Dakota near Sturgis, where the big bike rally is in full swing right now, and last night I was in a local bar, talking to a lawyer from Nevada (6'7" 260 lbs, greasy leathers, and we're talking about IT and legalese
That was cool beyond words.
realityshunt
They've pissed off virtually the entire IT industry (barring some of the id10ts at the Gartner group and a few other clueless bastards).
I can just see it....someday, Darl gets out of prison, and wants to have his house wired with cat5. The geek who comes over to do it is a slashdotter with a long memory.....
realityshunt
If any post on slashdot ever deserved a +100 funny, this one is it!
:)
:)
It's ironic to me especially because I live in South Dakota near Sturgis and the annual rally is right now in full swing. I was actually talking to a lawyer from Nevada last night at a local bar about the SCO mess, and he was of the opinion that the SEC is going to come down on them like a #1 chain-swinging Hells Angels bunch from the 60s
He also wondered, tongue in cheek, just where these guys were getting their crack from, as it must be pretty damned high quality.
(It's an interesting experience to sit down in a bar next to someone who is 6'7", 260 lbs, greasy leathers, etc, and have talk about SCO, IT, and slashdot - he didn't know about slashdot but will be visiting soon
realityshunt
"To bait fish withal...."
That was absolutely beautiful. Mind if I pass it on (with appropriate attribution, of course)?
Kudos!
realityshunt
thank you thank you!!! /me crashes for the night, two days of work then the fun begins :)
realityshunt
Someone mentioned on usenet a couple days ago something about pty support in the kernel. What's up with that?
realityshunt
That should be in the Gentoo FAQ. MHO, but it really should be.
realityshunt
I absolute agree. I used Mandrake and RH for a few years (mostly for their beautiful stability over windows); installing Gentoo taught me a lot about how the system operates -- especially about config files and what they are for, and about kernel compiles/config.
:)
I'm pretty thoroughly hooked now
realityshunt
I've actually noticed a significant improvement in KDE's responsiveness under heavy system load with my Gentoo install, as vs. my Mandrake and RH installs on the same box (with same kernel version and recompiled kernels from the dist kernel).
I don't have any benchmarks, and can't really prove it, but there is a noticeable difference. No, I can't explain it...but it *is* why I use the Gentoo install much more often than either of the other ones.
realityshunt
"t's a fantastic product, don't get me wrong, but it's just not getting into the professional world"
Not yet, no. But it will.
realityshunt
flamebait?
Humor impaired mod.....I've been running Gentoo since Rc1.4_1 and use it pretty much exclusive of every other OS on this computer. Screw you.
It's a reality of Gentoo that one spends a lot more time loading and configuring the OS than on most other modern distributions. We at least ought to be able to joke about it. Guess the mod just didn't understand. Too bad. He/she should give Gentoo a try. It rocks.
Read my comment asking advice about 2.6 elsewhere in this story thread....
realityshunt
[ looking forward to a weekend spent inside on the 'puter while it is over 100 deg F outside ]
*per day* my friend, per day! :)
realityshunt
Actually I'll be doing a new install on a different partition, so my old install remains intact regardless of the various mistakes I know I'll make.
Having just bought a new 120Gb HD for the system ( the old install is in a 8 Gb partition on a 20G drive) I'm ready for and have the room for experimentation.
That said, anyone out there in the Gentoo world had experience with doing the 2.6 series kernels with 1.4(beta)? Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks!
realityshunt
It's time to finally start that Gentoo install with the 2.6 kernel series that I've been putting off.
I've been seriously too interested in the outside this summer. I have an actual tan, a girlfriend, and have put enough miles on the bike that I have to replace the tires. Enough! It's time for this insanity to stop!
Time to download and emerge! Bring on those multi-hour computer sessions! Woot!