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Gentoo 1.4 Final Released
markds writes "After a long wait, the Gentoo team has finally released the latest version of their distribution.
Gentoo Linux 1.4 is now available. 1.4 includes automated kernel builds, CFLAGS generation, the Gentoo Reference Platform, and support for netless installation." And Beost writes "It looks like our favorite disto gentoo has released two of the new v1.4 LiveCDs. Enjoy!"
Reader Luke-Jr points to the list of official mirrors and "unofficial (though created by developers) BitTorrents." (Of course, you can also buy CD sets for a variety of architectures from the Gentoo store.)
I'm glad that my favorite distribution has finally gone retail. I will definitely be among the people that shell out $15 for the two pressed CDs and the printed installation manual.
Been using Gentoo for my linux boxes since late 2001; I couldn't be happier.
This comment was randomly generated by a school of piranhas chewing on the PCB of a Microsoft Natural Keyboard.
Just keep in mind this much: Whether you are a Red Hat user, a Mandrake enthusiast, or a Slackware zealot, we have all "been there". And like it or not, distros like Gentoo and Debian keep hope alive and stay true to the Linux and open source "roots".
No, I am not a Debian or Gentoo user. In fact I am a Red Hat and Windows 98 user. I recognize valiant efforts and righteous grass roots development movements when I see them, however, and I pay my respect and homage to them.
So, despite how bad this post may come off as a karma whore (and you all know that I love to write karma whores), just keep in mind that it is people like the Gentoo team that have made Linux the phenomenon that it is. OK, feel free to mod me down now.
Although I had some major problems with Gentoo not booting after install on one of my test systems at work, I was still impressed with the relative ease presented by a system still so powerfully configurable and tweakable (I was installing from a Stage 1 1.4 (RC2 I think) build). I will definitely keep it on my list next time we have a box ready to roll out. I do wonder whatever happened to that one guy who wanted to fork Gentoo... did he ever follow thru with his plans?
You do not need to reinstall. Gentoo version numbers only refer to the install CD. emerge -u world and you'll be in the same place you would be with a 1.4_final install.
Changelog, hot off the press!
(Now I wonder how long it will be before someone posts the "Gentoo Linux Zealot Translator"?)
Bash script for FP whores
It's time to finally start that Gentoo install with the 2.6 kernel series that I've been putting off.
I've been seriously too interested in the outside this summer. I have an actual tan, a girlfriend, and have put enough miles on the bike that I have to replace the tires. Enough! It's time for this insanity to stop!
Time to download and emerge! Bring on those multi-hour computer sessions! Woot!
Democracy is susceptible to being led astray by having scapegoats paraded in front of the electorate.
Yeah the best part about gentoo is... emerge openoffice 16 hours later you have a build.
actually it was. :-) Thnxs to the Gentoo reference platform (collection of pre-built stuff) a 20 minutes or less install (with KDE/gnome,X,apache,sql...) is possible
I want to thank Drobbins, Seemant, and All the gentoo developers! Thanks for your hard work for makeing linux even better!
Please support gentoo by going to gentoo.org and buying the livecds...
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I am looking forward to seeing the Gentoo fork (Zynot) release some code.
My rights don't need management.
I can't believe that this got modded down! This was a complete truth!
Official Gentoo-Linux-Zealot translator-o-matic
.debs can be rebuilt with
a handful of commands, my box MUST be faster. It's nothing to do with
the fact that I've disabled all startup services and I'm running
BlackBox instead of GNOME or KDE."
.rpms together on the command line, and
that problems hardly ever occur if one uses proper Red Hat packages
instead of mixing SuSE, Mandrake and Joe's Linux packages together
(which the system wasn't designed for)."
Gentoo Linux is an interesting new distribution with some great features. Unfortunately, it has attracted a large number of clueless wannabes who absolutely MUST advocate Gentoo at every opportunity. Let's look at the language of these zealots, and find out what it really means...
"Gentoo makes me so much more productive."
"Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it gives me more time to check out the latest USE flags and potentially unstable optimisation settings."
"Gentoo is more in the spirit of open source!"
"Apart from Hello World in Pascal at school, I've never written a single program in my life or contributed to an open source project, yet staring at endless streams of GCC output whizzing by somehow helps me contribute to international freedom."
"I use Gentoo because it's more like the BSDs."
"Last month I tried to install FreeBSD on a well-supported machine, but the text-based installer scared me off. I've never used a BSD, but the guys on Slashdot say that it's l33t though, so surely I must be for using Gentoo."
"Heh, my system is soooo much faster after installing Gentoo."
"I've spent hours recompiling Fetchmail, X-Chat, gEdit and thousands of other programs which spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. Even though only the kernel and glibc make a significant difference with optimisations, and RPMs and
"...my Gentoo Linux workstation..."
"...my overclocked AMD eMachines box from PC World, and apart from the third-grade made-to-break components and dodgy fan..." "You Red Hat guys must get sick of dependency hell..."
"I'm too stupid to understand that circular dependencies can be resolved by specifying BOTH
"All the other distros are soooo out of date."
"Constantly upgrading to the latest bleeding-edge untested software makes me more productive. Never mind the extensive testing and patching that Debian and Red Hat perform on their packages; I've just emerged the latest GNOME beta snapshot and compiled with -09 -fomit-instructions, and it only crashes once every few hours."
"Let's face it, Gentoo is the future."
"OK, so no serious business is going to even consider Gentoo in the near future, and even with proper support and QA in place, it'll still eat up far too much of a company's valuable time. But this guy I met on #animepr0n is now using it, so it must be growing!"
This post has been modded Informative, Funny, Overrated and Flamebait. Who knows where it will end up?
Sigh, whatever Distro can upgrade the entire OS (in place!) with a single command: emerge -u world.
Of course, some pressed discs would be nice for posterity.
"Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
--Dr.W.Edwards Deming
USE="-SCO" emerge gentoo
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Just reading the forumabout 1.4 release, seems AMD-XP CD2 has problems.
"GRP CD2 for Athlon XP is not available currently. Frankly, we've had all sorts of problems with the Athlon XP build.
Athlon XP users can safely use the i686 set."
http://f.scarywater.net/
I haven't tried the X86 version, but the PPC version had outdated, buggy, packages by comparison to Sid.
The LiveCD is great; Gentoo-like, but without X on startup. I keep a copy handy for when MacOS overwrites my bootloader.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Its a great learning exprience. I learned more about linux installing gentoo (way back in the old days when it was still using gcc 2.95) than using Red Hat for a year. It may take a while to install and update, but it does teach you whats what on a linux system. That and portage just rocks. There is even a NWN ebuild
Use Gentoo all you want. But Gentoo is *bleeding edge*. I don't know a single sysadmin who uses Gentoo on their servers. Further, I don't know a single one who WOULD use Gentoo on their servers.
Gentoo is a project, a hobby, a desktop OS. It's a fantastic product, don't get me wrong, but it's just not getting into the professional world, and even the die hards I know acknowledge that. Whereas Debian is definitely used by many in the server room, my perception is that Gentoo hasn't crossed that line yet. RH, SuSE, Conectiva, and a few others seem to have that area locked up (for now).
I'm still compiling the last version!
Gentoo uses it's very own system called Portage. It downloads the sources and compile them for you, and fix dependencies. It's by far, in my opinion, the best of them all, except that making a full install from stage one and getting a fully-functional work environment will take you a few days.
I've used Gentoo on and off for about a year now. It's IMHO one of the best distros available if you can spare the time waiting for software to compile :)
Anyone who says 'well sure it can do this but distro xxx does it better!' obviously never used Gentoo as if distro xxx does it better, then just change it yourself!
Someone mentioned how it's not for n00bs, however assuming you don't run into any problems, it's not really that hard to set up, and the forums are a great source of help for anyone who gets stuck.
Anyway, gotta go, my girlfriend is away for the week so she won't yell at me for hogging the compy to compile 1.4! :)
The torrents have been slashdotted, but my download is going slow. What gives?
I'm a gentoo user, but I'm nearly gone sick with the amount of newbies finding gentoo and trolling all over slashdot. Not a single story goes by without fanatical trolling from gentoo idiots.
Recently at my LUG meeting I was even too ashamed to mention gentoo when 2 other guys came up and talked about all the free distros and then mentioned how much newbies and idiots generaly prefer gentoo.
"Gentoo uses it's very own system called Portage. It downloads the sources and compile them for you, and fix dependencies. It's by far, in my opinion, the best of them all, except that making a full install from stage one and getting a fully-functional work environment will take you a few days."
Interesting... I'll have to try it out on a spare partition and see how that goes.
All my Linux experience is with RPM based distros (Redhat, Mandrake), but I REALLY have wanted to try a Debian based one for the flexibility APT gives you. The only problem is, Debian isn't very cutting edge (not a bad thing, it's just a very conservative distro), and the other Debian based distros are basically commercial...
RPM's and dependencies suck... I don't know how many times I've gone to install a RPM only go get into a "go get this RPM first, then go get THIS one first before you can install THAT RPM..." clusterfuck...
I wish Redhat would do something about this, or switch to APT... It's the only major flaw in their distro.
Corporatism != Free Market
I was going to benchmark this by loading OpenOffice before and after compiling it with -Os. On a cold boot, the -O2 load time was 12 seconds, and 3 when it was in cache. So I re-emerged, and I ran out of space! OpenOffice takes over 1.6 GB to compile! Perhaps lack of -Os isn't the problem.
Litigious bastards
It is based on neither. Gentoo uses (and basically IS) a packaging system called portage, which is similar to FreeBSD's ports. It is the nicest package management suite I have seen within Linux. All dependencies are handled for you, and optional support can be defined through a USE variable. Say if you want php but don't want support for gd or java, you could set the USE variable to -gd and -java, and then simply "# emerge php" and all patches, dependencies and options are retreived, configured, and compiled for you with one command, based on what you want your system to be. Aside from an install not designed for newbies or the lazy, gentoo is IMHO the easiest distro to use and maintain, perhaps even for newbies, once installed.
To me the optimization is secondary to the amazing package management system, and the fact that it stays out of my way and let's me decide what I want my system to be.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
Says the Anonymous Coward...
is it too much to ask for gentoo to get its on topic category? its got a pretty cool logo. jeez even turbolinux has one.
If i've already purchased my SCO license, will I need to purchase another one to download and compile this? Or is the license I have more like a "blanket" license?
just gotta make sure before I start breaking laws.
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I think you have no life.
How bad is the installer? I must dual boot with Windows at work... How hard is it to install in that configuration?
Corporatism != Free Market
The Debian packages are .deb's, like the Redhat packages are .rpm's. apt runs on top of the package manager to handle the dependencies. You can get apt for rpm from a number of different places (freshrpms, jpackage, fedora, etc.)
The combination of the BSD and Debian package tools works really well in Gentoo and so far I love being able to install and play with newer software. All in all I give it a thumbs up since the online documentation is excellent and will answer most, if not all of my installation questions.
Hey, I never paid much attention to Gentoo because I figured you have to have a T3 to get all the software. Does this mean you can do builds from the CD? I just might have to try it out then!!
I'm a FreeBSD lover these days (thought I at home I use Red Hat and OS X) and the ports collection is a great concept. It sounds like I'd love Gentoo.
but I do, its a small network, but Gentoo has worked with hardware that failed with Mandrake. Probably a direct result of a correct make.conf file and proper compiler settings. ROCK SOLID and STABLE for MONTHS!.
And yes I'm a Gentoo biggot.
Si vis pacem, para bellum! For evil to succeed good men need only do nothing!
Haven't you tried any other modern distributions? Debian comes to mind with apt-get. In fact, I've had more luck upgrading Debian than I have had with Gentoo lately. Specifically, be careful if you unmask a package like transcode - it makes emerge -u world have a fit...
Installing Gentoo is pretty much just typing in a laundry list of commands. (see the Gentoo x86 in guide to see what I mean)
You also have to edit some of the configuration files, but I think the documentation explains it pretty well.
While I don't want to take anything away from the Gentoo project, as it obviously satisfies a need or interest in the community, but I am sick and tired of the untrue stereotype being propogated that Debian is not recent.
If you bother to read the documentation, just barely, even the simplest overviews on the Debian website, you would know that you can also use Debian testing and unstable; you are not limited to stable.
(Yes, sometimes it is appropriate to limit yourself to stable, and when you do, what you get is a system that is very stable, and very closely scrutinized for bugs; look at Debian's own bug-tracking system even).
I am running: GNOME 2.2, Firebird 0.6 / Mozilla 1.4 / Epiphany 0.8, Nautilus 2.2.4, GIMP 1.3.17, OpenOffice.org 1.1, Abiword 1.99.2, Evolution 1.4.3, Gnumeric 1.1.19, XFree86 4.2.1, etc.
No this isn't "cutting edge" if you consider cutting edge to be following development branches and cvs snapshots. Of course not, but I don't want that.
Within reason, it is very recent, and it is stable; as stable as the upstream source, which is all that you can expect from any distribution.
My base system is almost entirely out of Debian stable. The rest of the system is out of testing/unstable only as required to satisfy the dependency versions for these applications.
I have never had the state of my installed packages corrupted by using testing/stable.
There is probably a better way, but this is enough for me (please post if you have an even easier way, as I'd love to know):
"apt-get update" to update the package information from the repositoriees.
"apt-get -u upgrade"
"n" to see the packages available for upgrade from all repositories.
"apt-get -u install x" to upgrade package "x".
I could just answer yes to "apt-get -u upgrade", yes, and I recommend others to do this if they don't want to be bothered further, but I prefer to make the decision each time when I want to keep a package from stable instead of testing or unstable.
.sig Realistic fines for copyright in
Okay, I see how having a system entirely tailored and compiled for my own system is great, sorta. Aren't there thousands of other people using AMD Athlon processors? Why should I have to compile a binary that everyone else has already got on their Athlon? I can see having several versions of the binary to cope with INTEL/AMD discrepancies but how much optimisation is really done with a custom compile?
Step 1: Make a comment.
Step 2: Type "I know everyone is going to mod me down" or "OK, mod me down everyone."
Step 3: Those tricksy Slashdot readers outwit you and mod you up!.
This is a look at my preparation for upgrade to Gentoo 1.4 final on a production, connected to the internet and dealing with secure data server. Are we running bleeding edge packages? A few. Is is stable and fast? You bet it is. I also have redhat systems in the same configurations. Those of us that are using Gentoo aren't stupid or naive, just experienced and willing to push some boundaries for a good idea.
...done!
xxxserver root # emerge -uDp world
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating world dependencies
[ebuild U ] sys-devel/patch-2.5.9 [2.5.4-r5]
[ebuild U ] sys-devel/libtool-1.4.3-r1 [1.4.1-r10]
[ebuild U ] sys-apps/groff-1.18.1-r3 [1.18.1-r2]
[ebuild U ] sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19-r1 [2.4.19]
[ebuild U ] sys-devel/automake-1.7.5-r2 [1.7.2]
[ebuild U ] sys-apps/psmisc-21.2-r3 [21.2-r2]
[ebuild U ] net-analyzer/nmap-3.30 [3.27-r1]
We examine the proposed updates for any known issues and when we are satisfied with testing, finalize the updates to production. Gee, that is the same procedure I use with redhat too. Whooda thunk that?
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
I seem to recall SCO claiming that since the code was introduced so long ago, it has contaminated every build since. While the contributing code was perhaps localized at first, it's impossible to know how the code /around/ it would have evolved had their IP never been introduced. All of Linux from that point on is tainted by their code, and thus is their IP.
I have not seen the code in question, and I certainly hope that MicroSCOft loses this battle, but should they win, I could really see this claim as having some weight. Linux evolves, and parts of the kernel interact with other parts. You could, for example, take concepts from their code and use those concepts in the single-processor scheduler. It's impossible to know how far the taint has spread since the code was out there for anyone to read. It's fairly safe to localize it to Linux, though, and since this is actually just a money grab, it makes sense. And the logic behind it is fairly sound (as much as I hate to admit it).
Do packages that depend on the package I'm unmerging also get unmerged automatically or do they stay installed (and broken?)
Of course, I tend to like to try out new software on a whim a lot and frequently install something to use for a few hours before I decide whether or not it's worth keeping on my system (usually not).
Artist : Bad Religion
Song : I Love My Computer
I love my computer you make me feel alright
Every waking hour and every lonely night
I love my computer for all you give to me
Predictable errors and no identity
And it's never been quite so easy
I've never been quite so happy
(Chorus)
All I need to do is click on you and we'll be joined in the most soul-less way
And we'll never ever ruin each other's day 'cuz when I'm through I just click
And you just go away
I love my computer you're always in the mood
I get turned on when I turn on you
I love my computer you never ask for more
You can be a princess or you can be my whore
And it's never been quite so easy
I've never been quite so happy
(Chorus)
(Bridge)
The world outside is so big but it's safe in my domain
Because to you I'm just a number and a clever screen name
All I need to do is click on you and we'll be together for eternity
And no one is ever gonna take my love from me because I've got security,
Her password and a key
I remember when 1.2 was out and everyone was getting 1.3 together (development). Everyone wanted to know what was going on, etc. After a while, 1.3 was going on forever, extending into new realms, etc... :P (emerge -u world)
:)
Man, it feels like 1.4 lasted nearly forever in the development cycle.. 1.4rc1, 1.4rc2, 1.4rc3,4,5,6,7,8.... lol I know it wasn't that many, but man.
I'm sitting here thinking, "wow... it's out... it's finally out" and all of this time I've been essentially running it
So. to put this to a closing... "Oh my dear god, Gentoo 1.4 FINAL is out!! Pop open the keg and lets finish it off, cuz now we can start complaining about 1.5 not being done! wooohooo!"
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Have a look at this: http://stable.gentoo.org/
They are addressing the very issue you brought up with this new "flavor" of Gentoo.
Not sure how successful they are at this time, though.
Treehugger? Treehugger... Treehugger!
That's all well and good, but a copyright is not a patent. It's ok to take ideas from copyrighted works.
torrent files are located here: f.scarywater.net/
Ah, the last peanut -- overflowing with the oil and salt of its departed brothers. -Homer
While the contributing code was perhaps localized at first, it's impossible to know how the code /around/ it would have evolved had their IP never been introduced. All of Linux from that point on is tainted by their code, and thus is their IP.
That's about as realistic as the MS programming monkey that once copy-pasted two lines of Linux 0.01 into Windows would now make all of Windows the IP of Mr. Linus.
Derivative works are more than just inspiration, I can't create a story in the Star Wars universe but I can certainly make one in a *different* galaxy far far away. It's not like any other story involving being in another galaxy would be "tainted" and the IP of George Lucas, just because I saw the movie.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
I wish people would READ the comment they are flaming. It would also be nice if moderators would think befor they give points. Modding up an illogical post is even more illogical.
I'm still building 1.3
Its the only Linux distro that I could get to work.. every time.. ... and when I can't fix it, unemerge it and re-emerge it without hurting my system one iota!
:-)
It is teaching me HEAPS by being very easy to use, and extremly configurable at the same time..
I can "emerge" a feature or application.. play around with it.. screw it up
I love the forum and IRC chat guys.. they are soooo friendly and helpfull totally unlike my experiances with the mandrake, redhat etc crowds..
It's also a freaking EXCELLENT gaming platform
Yyay for Gentoo!
"Consider how lucky you are that life has been good to you so far. Alternatively, if life hasn't been good to you so far
Anyone else hear about how Transgaming forced gentoo to stop having ebuilds of their source? Transgaming said gentoo was making it trivial to install from gentoo. All in the pursuit of profit eh?
This release is available on CD from BudgetLinuxCDs.com
probably the reason every newbie troll here with an e-machine is using this lame distro. If i hear any more gentoo, i'm personally gonna kick thir asses
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You've got no friends
You stay home all day
You've been to every website
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The Internet is fucking gay
You fucking faggot loser queer nerd
You've got no friends
You stay home all day
You've been to every website
Because you're fucking gay
Technology is Gay
How many megs of RAM do you have in your computer
Technology's gay
Hey, why don't you check out my website at www
Technology's gay
I love looking at the Star Trek website, and I eh
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Technology's gay
I Got An Office Job For The Sole Purpose Of Sexually Harassing Women
If you work with me prepare to get harassed
When you're standing at the copier, I'll pinch your ass
I don't care if you're ugly, don't care if you're old
You're still a woman and I want to make your life miserable
I'm gonna make you quit because you're a woman
I'm gonna spread rumors that you're easy
I'm gonna threaten to rape you on your email
I'm gonna leave a dildo at your desk
So everyone can see it you stupid cunt
I'm gonna make you quit becuase you're a woman
I'm gonna make you quit you fucking cunt
I'm gonna make you quit you fucking bitch
I'm gonna make you quit you stupid cunt
Could I convert an existing Redhat server to Gentoo - without rebuilding from scratch? Can I not download "emerge" and start emerging system? Has anyone done it? How did it work? How to get rid of the "cruft"?
I don't have a backup of that server, so I can't go for the wipe and rebuild - also, it is running a 24/7 e-commerce site.
(Of course I have a backup.)
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I just installed it for the first time and I must say I'm really impressed! My Gentoo system seems to be a lot faster than the debian that I switched from. I'll stick to Gentoo! Documentation was also top notch - it covered everything very well!
Yes, the Anonymous Coward did say that. Wow, you're smart for noticing that arn't you!
Oh wait, you were trying to make some sort of point, wern't you? Well never mind.
Hi,
t ions/ gentoo/releases/ppc/1.4/livecd/
I would like to try the Gentoo 1.4 LiveCD on my Apple PowerBook 17".
What ISO files should I download and burn to CD?
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distribu
Thanks!
Gentoo is the most attractive distro for all ages. Teenagers seem to like it very much. Surely, other distros will need to invigorate their image if they wish to attract talented youngsters, but the Gentoo forum is flashy, fun, and most of all very friendly. I'll bet that the best of Gentoo is yet to come.
Well... but their CVS still has all the ebuilds for WineX-Transgaming!. Anyway, Transgaming seems to be very lame^H^H^H^Hgamer-oriented, and installing their Winex distribution on a gentoo would be a simple matter of extracting the RPM, by rpm2cpio, rpm2targz of rpmoffset. Also, Transgaming doesn't distribute the source for their WineX modifications (as it seems to me they even didn't bother to add their "open" mods like d3dgl for 3.1 to sourceforge wineX CVS tree) And they surely do not distribute the binaries to everyone. However, I have been able to find available copies on the Net for every release. :)
Gentoo does not mirror the WineX distribution on their distfiles mirrors, so I don't see anything wrong with them)
If the rumour is real, then Transgaming really starts to suck.
Personally, I prefer installing a minimal, graphic Mandrake 9.1 system, using the install disk partitioner to setup the partitions required to install Gentoo to mount automatically at boot. Once I'm inside Mandrake, all I have to do is the following: 1) open up a console terminal 2) >mount -t proc proc /mnt/gentoo/proc
3) >cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/gentoo/etc/resolv.conf
4) >cd /mnt/gentoo
5) >chroot /mnt/gentoo bin/bash
6) >env-update
7) >source /etc/profile
8) download a stage tarball
9) start building
10) ????
11) PROFIT!!!
So I can browse the web, check my mail, play freeciv while my system builds on my machine. Beat this, Microsoft!
More information ca be found here.
Gentoo is basically Linux Lego. Just remember not to swallow the small plastic parts.
Hack your mind out of its sandbox.
I tried to download i686 stage3 iso from the torrent but it just plain sucks. It stopped at 6% an hour ago and doesn't start moving since. I even stopped it and tried getting the file again but no luck. Ahh, I guess stage3 just isn't that popular. Yea, I guess I'd be better off with an optimized ls(1) which would list files blazing fast, heh.
I wish Redhat would do something about this, or switch to APT... It's the only major flaw in their distro.
Yum is in rawhide, and allegedly it is better and simpler than apt. Red Hat is switching to a more open model with RHLP (P is for Project), and yum is a good fit for that.
Save your wrists today - switch to Dvorak
Just _why_ ppl always take OpenOffice as an example for gentoo compiled stuff. I mean it's JAVA, shouldn't it have machine-independant bytecode? How could that possibly be optimized for your machine? (Aside from optimizing the VM itself).
I always get the openoffice-bin ebuild. Now KDE, that's something I compile from source.
Was I the only one who dropped Gentoo when they went from 1.2 -> 1.3 and you couldn't do a simple "emerge -u world"? There was something like four manual update scripts to run. When that didn't work right off the bat, I decided to punt. Not that I couldn't have gotten it to work, but I was worried that this would happen with every major (or even minor) release.
:-)
Emerging applications was sometimes flakey as well. I particularly recall having difficulty upgrading KDE.
I was also occasionally frustrated with portage scripts lagging the latest tar balls (or not existing altogether), but of course that happens with every package system.
I had always wished the USE variables would get set automatically, too. So that if I had, say, Postgres and TCL installed the --with-tcl configure option gets set without having to fiddle with the USE variable. That's a weak complaint, though, since that feature is pretty unique to Gentoo anyhow.
Now I'm using Red Hat fairly happily. However I seem to spend a lot of time building custom RPMs to get the equivalent of Gentoo's USE. *sigh* Still, grabbing whole suites of packages from jpackage.org et al via apt-get is pretty sweet.
Anyway, not trying to spread Gentoo FUD. With the amount of popularity and support Gentoo has going for it, I'm sure some or all of these issues have already been addressed, right? I'll have to check it out when I finally decide to cannabalize my Windows box!
This specifically to those of you who are running Gentoy on your production servers:
I hope you are fired and replaced with a competent administrator.
That is all.
Since processor speed and RAM are becoming so plentiful, doesn't that *eliminate* any reason to compile specifically for your box and get that 0.5% performance boost? Why not just install a binary package? If your machine is fast enough to build something like OO.o in less than eternity, I doubt you will even notice a performance improvement, and it is an absolute certainty that any difference will not have any real-world significance. Can you imagine trying to sell management on Gentoo because "our secretaries will be able to open the word-processing program in 4.8 seconds rather than 5.5 seconds, thereby allowing increased productivity that will make our company more profitable"?
(granted, there are some special cases, such as compilers for developers, where execute times matter, but the idea of building an entire desktop system with machine-specific optimizations seems silly. With current hardware, virtually everything executes vastly faster than the user can keep up with or even notice).
I know, I know, I know: SCOfftopic!
If they win (by that I mean there really was SCO code in the kernel) the code will be removed from Linux or rewritten. The person who added it will be sued by many Linux vendors for putting it there. SCO's case is with the person who put the code into to the kernel, not with Linux users. But of course by creating this fuss they're hoping to make money and get people to use their crusty Linux distro.
Why is everyone bitching and moaning about the installation of Gentoo stages? The documentation should be followed by the letter. Of course, you should be able to read basic english. Point your finger to Debian if you want a real sucker of an installation.
These were mentioned in the post but not actually pointed at.
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He has attracted many people who now are part of a growing community (358 members so far)... That probably will get bigger once a first release comes out.
What I like the most about this new, as yet unnamed distro, compared to Gentoo, is that it is on the path of becoming a truly democratic " distro (a la Debian) with the tools to achieve the goal.
http://www.masquilier.org/republic/election/ Condorcet, Plurality voting and alternative voting enabled bulletin board.
How many percent of the security bugs are only corrected in stable but not in testing?
I guess that it would make a difference just to add -arch and -O2 to cflags.
IMHO, the mere fact that they *have* a Linux distro means they published the Linux source code under Linux's license - which means they agreed to the license (but IANAL)
Once the initial build's finished (and you can speed that up a fair way by starting at stage 3), I think Gentoo is a distro for the lazy - think about it: instead of having to find an application, download it, (build and) install it, all you need is one command and 1 minute/hour/day/week of compile time.
=== Ask yourself if it's really necessary...
Of course I do.
The point being... very lame to hide under the AC just so you don't get modded down for asking mods to mod someone else down...
Thuth is... no one cares what you think so take your lame paranoid freak ideas up your colon, thank you very much.
You don't need to "compile everything."
The second CD of the 2-CD set is the Gentoo Reference Platform, which contains "over 600MB of pre-compiled applications such as KDE 3.1.2, GNOME 2, OpenOffice, Mozilla, mysql, postgresql, Apache 2 and many more."
Pre-compiled binaries are just as available as sourcecode only packages. Its your choice.
It would only be tainted if Lucas made a prequel to it.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
I just started with Gentoo a few weeks ago, and while the installation was somewhat tricky, it was not any more difficult than Debian.
It did take a while to get the ebuild thing figured out, and I had a few weird issues with my system, but one of the best parts about Gentoo is the immensely helpful set of user forums. I was able to find solutions for every single one of my problems there, as well as guides for installing trickier systems like mail-server combos, &c.
I really like Gentoo because it's not difficult to find out what I need to do. It does take a little bit of patience up front, though, and I admit, compiling KDE for two days is something I hope I don't have to repeat soon.
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On the About page of the Gentoo site, Larry the Cow reveals his frustrations with other Linux distros. Hmm, this reminds me of the Gateway commercials running a little while ago where Ted Wiatt talks to a Holstein heifer with a male voice.
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I dunno, but I gotta wonder if these are examples indicative of a common psycho-sexual trend among computer-using bovines
This has been addressed in version 1.4. From the install docs: Note: A complete Gentoo Linux 2-CD set contains the Gentoo Reference Platform, which is a complete pre-built Gentoo Linux system including GNOME, KDE, Mozilla, and OpenOffice. The Gentoo Reference Platform ("GRP") was created to allow rapid Gentoo Linux installs packages for those who need this capability. The "compile from source" functionality, which is the cornerstone of Gentoo Linux, will always be a fully-supported installation option as well. The purpose of the GRP is to make Gentoo Linux more convenient for some users, without impacting Gentoo's powerful "compile from source" installation process in any way. Cool stuff!
Is it not possible to start a thread on any issue without including 150 posts bashing SCO? I heartily agree that they should be pilloried, but preferably when it's on-topic.
IT IS OFFTOPIC YOU NAZI ASSHATS!!!!!!
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Finally. And all I have to do is emerge sync && emerge -u world. Thats why I love Gentoo.
Hmm the iso matches the md5sum, but it no worky...what a shame.
:P Glad I didnt shell out $15 for it.
Tried it on 3 oldworld machines (which they no longer support), and 2 new world machines. No go. Great QA guys
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is it possible to make a "binary sub-distribution" from gentoo? Consider this situation: i have a lot (>100) of appliances with small footprint (~50-100MB, eg. on USB-stick) with nearly identical hardware. I would like to run gentoo, but i do NOT want to install a compiler. Instead i would like to compile on a "master" system and then distibute binary packages for installing/updating the appliances.
In other words i want to checkout a binary distribution from gentoo according to a special hardware profile.
Any hints how to do that? As an absolute gentoo-beginner, i was not even able to install gentoo without gcc (okok, it's a source distro
Thanks,
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Yeh, but they won't publicise that since it could be a lawsuit killer.
I can see a few early retirements happening it SCO once the share price has risen enough. Do they even sell any software any more?
Just so you know
> The person who added it will be sued by many Linux vendors for putting it there. SCO's case is with the person who put the code into to the kernel, not with Linux users.
Hmm - interesting point about what the remedy would be if SCO is right. If it is SCO code in the kernel (i.e., code on which copyright belongs to SCO), then there are two illegal acts:
1) plagiarism and passing off - the person who contributed the code to the kernel claimed code as their own that was not theirs. That's illegal, assuming the person doing the passing-off resides in a jurisdiction where SCO's copyright is recognised. And no, they wouldn't need to be sued - the relevant government could prosecute them for copyright infringement.
2) distribution - this is where the real damage is done. Anybody who distributed the infringing code would be guilty of copyright-infringing distribution. You may claim 'good faith' belief that you had the right to distribute the code - but, I'm afraid, the GPL comes and haunts you here. The author disclaims all warranty and indemnity, if I recall. In other words, you're on your own, and it was up to you to make sure that the author of the code was telling the truth. So, anybody who ever distributed the code (and, under the GPL, thaqt could be anybody, couldn't it? not just distros, but mirror FTP site hosts, people who burnt copies for friends, anybody) could be liable to prosecution for infringing SCO's copyright. Doubtless, they could try to palm the suit off onto the original infringer, but because of the warranty disclaimer they may not get away with it.
The lesson? When someone hands you a chunk of code with the GPL on the top of it, before you exercise any of the _rights_ the GPL grants you (such as redistribution), make damned sure the person who granted you those rights had the rights to grant in the first place. When someone licenses you code, you're entering into a legal agreement with them - you'd better be sure they're in a position to hold up their end of the bargain.
Gentoo's a great distribution, but it is hardly one of the founding distros.
Gentoo has been around for, what, a year? Slackware and Debian have been there almost from the beginning. RedHat's done a lot to popularize GNU/Linux.
Now, Gentoo has contributed something important. Namely, portage. It's not for everyone, though (no distro is), and you shouldn't bother recommending it to anyone who doesn't have the patience and desire to use it. There are many benefits that one can get (smaller code, completely customizeable system, choosing which version of something you use, etc), but they aren't of interest to the majority of people. That's fine.
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the latest kde packages (3.1.3) are still marked unstable in portage, so unless you want to compile KDE twice in a week wait until the kde packages move to stable.
Can't think of anything else to wait on though.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
You bet. Emerge has the capability to create binary packages similar to that of slackware, meaning they're just tgz's of the final compiled product. Then you can install the package with emerge as well, which will install all the deps (which can be precompiled as well) and stuff you need.
Sigh, whatever Distro can upgrade the entire OS (in place!) with a single command: emerge -u world.
freeBSD - portupgrade -aRr
And then me system be upgraded, yarrrrr.
There really isn't an installer, though there are some in development (just search for "gentoo installer" on sourceforge). As another reply said, it's just a laundry list of commands.
This means it takes a fair bit of knowledge to install. A lot of that knowledge can be gleaned from the install docs (which are *excellent*), but previous knowledge is certainly beneficial. If you know the difference between Lilo and Grub, you should be fine.
That said: thought Gentoo has a great package management system, it falls short of Debian in the package management area; however, it's a more-current system than Debian. Also, unless you have either a lot of time, or a fast machine, or both, it can sometimes be a pain in the ass keeping up to date.
(Me, I kick off updates at night, and it's *usually* finished by morning, unless it has to update XFree86, Mozilla, and Openoffice all at once.)
IMNSHO, Gentoo is for those who are tired of simple life of "apt-get update". It's a lot of fun, believe it or not, as frustrating as it is (WHY isn't CFLAGS in a file that doesn't get updated with every Portage update?).
For me, it was either the Hurd, or Gentoo. Once I'm bored with Gentoo, I'm moving on the the Hurd; but for now, Gentoo is plenty to keep me occupied.
Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.
I do it three times a week. It's the only way I can keep up, being on a 56k dialup.
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I think Linus is very careful about what gets in, so if the code was SCO's then someone has duped him.
Well said!
I installed gentoo about a week ago. After running emerge sync for awhile the screen went blank. For some odd reason I thought my computer had given up and gone on strike until I reinstalled slackware. Thank God it was just going into sleep mode.
No I do not think that portage is sooo great, that I would need a system based on it, no matter what. It's nice for compiling, but you can archive the same thing with debian too. I'd also agree to the people complaining about eternal compiling sessions, but what I think is the main advantage is:
"being up to date".
Debian has serious problems there. I want a system that feels l33t and looks nice, like every desktop user does. And if a new vesion of mplayer is out that supports one more video format and is a little faster --> hell yeah I want it on my box (and no I don't want to check every month if there is a new version and manually upgrade).
The same level of being up to date in Debian can only achieved with backports, which are mostly incompatible with one another. That is the main difference between Gentoo and Debian. Gentoo is for personal users who like a little more action like patched kernels and flaky CFLAGS and who don't mind upgrading every couple of days. Debian is more industrial Linux.
Differences to Suse and Mandrake: Suse (and Mandrake) think to much! I want to know what's going on, and not have nested scripts working behind my back. I don't know why everyone thinks it's cool to have the system work like XP.
Differences to RedHat: Red had want's me to pay for upgrades
Differences to Slakware: What was that packet management thing again?
And some complaints too:
Some packages simply never move from testing to stable even if the stable stuff doesn't work (like Eclipse for example)
You are an ass. You are a Gentoo "zealot." Gentoo is NOT a production server OS. If you use it that way, you're an idiot and I'd fire you if you worked for me.
Stop being such fucking dorks. You sheep need to learn to suck it up and use the best tool for the job, not just what you think will make your friends think makes you 1337!
PowerPC 1.4 Torrents are now available at http://dev.gentoo.org/~luke-jr/torrent/gentoo-1.4/ with the rest...
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But this is off the topic that was originally offtopic! Trying to dig us out of the hole are you? Well, I'll help.
The one-command part goes for any good distro these days... For example, in Mandrake you can simply: urpmi applicationname (tho in my experience they have so few apps you end up having to compile everything by hand anyway)
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