Is it just me or does anyone else when they see the new NetBSD logo have the urge to go sailing for the America's Cup?
Despite being somewhat of a sailor, I don't share your point of view. I think the NetBSD logo looks more like a pool cue that was rubbed on the table so much that it caught fire. Either way, I think they could have done better.
Note: This comment isn't offtopic, because the logo is mentioned in the report.
So if it's not happening to you, it is therefore not happening to anyone?
Also, saying "All is okay" isn't very specific. Did you listen to music on each of your 16 machines? Did you even read my toplevel post? Most of the apps you built are very large, and therefore compile time dwarfs untar (aka disk IO) time, meaning that there is a small window of time where our issue with disks would manifest itself. Try untarring an archive with thousands of files over and over, and get back to me.
In other words, your sample does not have anything to do with the original problem, making your stabs against your parent poster irrelevant, and a troll. Emperical data from many people will always take precedence over half-assed arguments. Read the mailing lists. You will see that it is a real issue, and not just made up crap.
Behold the versatility of the GPL, LGPL, GFDL, and BSD quadra-license! With the viral nature of the GPL, and the total anarchy of the BSDL, it will be unstoppable!
But really, how come licensing comes to this? Is it from the authors placing more value on different portions of the code, or is it a condition posed by contributors, or what? I am not even barely a lawyer, and all of my personal code is of such little value that charging money or placing much in the way of conditions would be criminal.
I kind of see multi-licensing as having a different insurance policy for each fender on your car.
I just went from FreeBSD 5.3BETA3 to 5.3-RELEASE-p2 on my fileserver, and moved to a new hard disk at the same time. Somewhere between beta3 and -release, the decision to make SCHED_4BSD the default scheduler was made, and SCHED_ULE won't compile because it has an #error macro.
Anyways, the point of this is that because I was going to a new hard drive, I was doing a lot of dumping and paxing to transfer things over, some before installworld, and some after. I noticed once in 5.3-release that heavy disk activity made the system far less responsive, although the throughput did in fact seem a little higher. This _is_ all subjective talk, but it was serious enough that opening a new ssh session on the machine took substantially longer than before.
I want to see some benchmarks on how various systems behave when the disk activity is up, and how much throughput they can actually accomplish. I know that schedulers give disk-bound processes more run-time in order to finish quickly, and it seems almost like sched_4bsd is exaggerating that. It would be interesting see some numbers attached to my predictions.
Dear AgainstTheFUD (840249),
Being a FreeBSD user, I find myself reading the Slashdot BSD section once in a while. In light of the fact that your posts are somehow modded above 0, I end up reading your same stupid post over and over again. This is becoming a nuisance, as it is irrelevant to the story. At least the *BSD is dying trolls are modded down, thus shielding my eyes from "The FUD."
I am politely asking you to shut the hell up. You are not providing a service; you are feeding the trolls in a routine fashion, and I hate it. Stop.
Thanks in advance.
> Why don't you tally up all of the money you've kept from deserving people...
Deserving? Ha.
Let's analyze this from a utilitarian point of view. Utilitarianism is often defined as taking an action that leads to the highest NET happiness. I wasn't going to spend money on the movie either way, because I have none. So, by fetching it off of the internet, I get to see it, but the ocreators still get no money. However, if the movie cheered me up, calmed me down, or insipred me, I have become happier, at NO EXPENSE to the people behind the movie. They didn't lose money. I got to see a movie.
With respect to donuts, I buy them legally every time. I'm just saying that taking donuts out of a dumpster doesn't dig into Tim Horton's revenue.
Directly? No. That is because all of my money is my father's, or the bank's. I will have you know, however, that HE donated $250, and at work, is helping to deploy two water purifiers. If you are wondering were "work" is, is 8 Wing Trenton, one of the largest military air bases in Canada. Unfortunately, that is all that Canada really has to offer, thanks to an underfunded military.
With respect to the other parts of your post, I am pleased to tell you that this mostly a temporary condition. I'm just not going to fluff it with words like "rights."
This is probably really offtopic, but that's OK because I have bad karma anyways, and no one is going to see this.
I am a student in university, and I don't have much money to my name, so I don't buy DVDs, music CDs, and so on. What do I do instead? Simple: I download them for free off of the internet. Now I get to watch movies and listen to music without spending money. I relate it to taking donuts out of a dumpster being Tim Hortons after hours.
I don't even consider things like "freedom" or "ethics," or anything for that matter. I enjoy getting something for nothing. I like it when things are one click away.
I know that it makes some people very sad to hear this, but that's Ok with me. I am a good friend and human being, and I feel really bad about the disaster in Asia. I just don't care to pay fucking money for a movie.
I found this hilarious, but the moderators clearly didn't. What a bunch of babies. Perhaps I should copy the grandparent poster's logic to get high moderated posts to get my karma back!
Long live rebellious-yet-monocultural thought? Long live 99% solutions? I sure hope not.
Those "UNIX iron" you speak of are about 500 times more reliable than your little Mandrake desktop running gaim and samba, I'm sorry to say.
Linux may have the linecount in it's.c files, but that's about it. Stability? Not so much. Good documentation? Not so much. While there are a lot of docs, they are specific to a minor version of one distro in 50000. Hardly accessible.
Example from kernel config: Choosing "Y" enables feature, while "N" disables feature.
Besides, UNIX lives on in the form of the totally not dead BSDs.
By the way, whats a "drov"? Is that the new term for "Linux troll"?
Sure, but it's general layout sucks donkey balls, not to mention the userland, and it's attempt at a ports system. Don't get me started on the installer.
> NetBSD is the most portable
This doesn't matter for 90% of people out there, and thats a lowball.
> distributions of Linux right now that rival the BSDs' strong points
So then use linux.
> FreeBSD-5.3 is rock solid, meaning that it's just as solid as Linux, but FreeBSD will die if nobody is left to make changes to the kernel.
man vim patch diff send-pr
> I wouldn't invest in FreeBSD if it was a company.
FreeBSD 4.X still has value, albeit less than it did when it was the flagship branch. When I read the TODO list for this the other night, I saw that the tables only contained the titles. 4.11 seems like it will be good for people who want to setup a low-end do-whatever server with current packages and base system apps, while 5.X will handle everything else. My pentium 200 will be upgraded to 4.11 once it gets recommissioned.
It's good to see that this release is coming to be, and that support for FreeBSD 4 will live for a while longer also. This way, the hardware will die before the software on it does.
I see what's going on here. Microsoft put so many exploits into IE that eventually the black hats will be overwhelmed with possibilities, to the point of quitting. It's like the vulnerability-options DDoS.
I am sorry but you have made that post in the wrong place. It is well thought out, coherent, and the ideas are separated with "paragraphs." You criticized Microsoft in a constructive way, and yet failed to call them Micro$haft or similar.
I suggest that you take this as a warning to find a new forum where people of your type are found in larger numbers. You may find them much more welcoming than your fellow posters here on Slashdot.
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I'm sorry, but the wheelbarrow icon for this article seems a little inappropriate. What do they use when someone passes away, a spade?
Is it just me or does anyone else when they see the new NetBSD logo have the urge to go sailing for the America's Cup?
Despite being somewhat of a sailor, I don't share your point of view. I think the NetBSD logo looks more like a pool cue that was rubbed on the table so much that it caught fire. Either way, I think they could have done better.
Note: This comment isn't offtopic, because the logo is mentioned in the report.
So if it's not happening to you, it is therefore not happening to anyone?
Also, saying "All is okay" isn't very specific. Did you listen to music on each of your 16 machines? Did you even read my toplevel post? Most of the apps you built are very large, and therefore compile time dwarfs untar (aka disk IO) time, meaning that there is a small window of time where our issue with disks would manifest itself. Try untarring an archive with thousands of files over and over, and get back to me.
In other words, your sample does not have anything to do with the original problem, making your stabs against your parent poster irrelevant, and a troll. Emperical data from many people will always take precedence over half-assed arguments. Read the mailing lists. You will see that it is a real issue, and not just made up crap.
Behold the versatility of the GPL, LGPL, GFDL, and BSD quadra-license! With the viral nature of the GPL, and the total anarchy of the BSDL, it will be unstoppable!
But really, how come licensing comes to this? Is it from the authors placing more value on different portions of the code, or is it a condition posed by contributors, or what? I am not even barely a lawyer, and all of my personal code is of such little value that charging money or placing much in the way of conditions would be criminal.
I kind of see multi-licensing as having a different insurance policy for each fender on your car.
I just went from FreeBSD 5.3BETA3 to 5.3-RELEASE-p2 on my fileserver, and moved to a new hard disk at the same time. Somewhere between beta3 and -release, the decision to make SCHED_4BSD the default scheduler was made, and SCHED_ULE won't compile because it has an #error macro.
Anyways, the point of this is that because I was going to a new hard drive, I was doing a lot of dumping and paxing to transfer things over, some before installworld, and some after. I noticed once in 5.3-release that heavy disk activity made the system far less responsive, although the throughput did in fact seem a little higher. This _is_ all subjective talk, but it was serious enough that opening a new ssh session on the machine took substantially longer than before.
I want to see some benchmarks on how various systems behave when the disk activity is up, and how much throughput they can actually accomplish. I know that schedulers give disk-bound processes more run-time in order to finish quickly, and it seems almost like sched_4bsd is exaggerating that. It would be interesting see some numbers attached to my predictions.
..is always sucky, because they make a damn mess, and have sharp edges.
Dear AgainstTheFUD (840249), Being a FreeBSD user, I find myself reading the Slashdot BSD section once in a while. In light of the fact that your posts are somehow modded above 0, I end up reading your same stupid post over and over again. This is becoming a nuisance, as it is irrelevant to the story. At least the *BSD is dying trolls are modded down, thus shielding my eyes from "The FUD." I am politely asking you to shut the hell up. You are not providing a service; you are feeding the trolls in a routine fashion, and I hate it. Stop. Thanks in advance.
> Why don't you tally up all of the money you've kept from deserving people ...
Deserving? Ha.
Let's analyze this from a utilitarian point of view. Utilitarianism is often defined as taking an action that leads to the highest NET happiness. I wasn't going to spend money on the movie either way, because I have none. So, by fetching it off of the internet, I get to see it, but the ocreators still get no money. However, if the movie cheered me up, calmed me down, or insipred me, I have become happier, at NO EXPENSE to the people behind the movie. They didn't lose money. I got to see a movie.
With respect to donuts, I buy them legally every time. I'm just saying that taking donuts out of a dumpster doesn't dig into Tim Horton's revenue.
> Have you donated any money to a relief fund ..?
Directly? No. That is because all of my money is my father's, or the bank's. I will have you know, however, that HE donated $250, and at work, is helping to deploy two water purifiers. If you are wondering were "work" is, is 8 Wing Trenton, one of the largest military air bases in Canada. Unfortunately, that is all that Canada really has to offer, thanks to an underfunded military.
With respect to the other parts of your post, I am pleased to tell you that this mostly a temporary condition. I'm just not going to fluff it with words like "rights."
I hope this helps.
This is probably really offtopic, but that's OK because I have bad karma anyways, and no one is going to see this.
I am a student in university, and I don't have much money to my name, so I don't buy DVDs, music CDs, and so on. What do I do instead? Simple: I download them for free off of the internet. Now I get to watch movies and listen to music without spending money. I relate it to taking donuts out of a dumpster being Tim Hortons after hours.
I don't even consider things like "freedom" or "ethics," or anything for that matter. I enjoy getting something for nothing. I like it when things are one click away.
I know that it makes some people very sad to hear this, but that's Ok with me. I am a good friend and human being, and I feel really bad about the disaster in Asia. I just don't care to pay fucking money for a movie.
Thanks for listening.
I found this hilarious, but the moderators clearly didn't. What a bunch of babies. Perhaps I should copy the grandparent poster's logic to get high moderated posts to get my karma back!
> long live Linux!
.c files, but that's about it. Stability? Not so much. Good documentation? Not so much. While there are a lot of docs, they are specific to a minor version of one distro in 50000. Hardly accessible.
Long live rebellious-yet-monocultural thought? Long live 99% solutions? I sure hope not.
Those "UNIX iron" you speak of are about 500 times more reliable than your little Mandrake desktop running gaim and samba, I'm sorry to say.
Linux may have the linecount in it's
Example from kernel config:
Choosing "Y" enables feature, while "N" disables feature.
Besides, UNIX lives on in the form of the totally not dead BSDs.
By the way, whats a "drov"? Is that the new term for "Linux troll"?
It's interesting to see Luigi Rizzo credited on that page as well. Perhaps it's some IPFW code?
>a sig with "Free xxx" == -1 Troll.
PFFFFT, what!? Free XXX? I think you meant free "foo".
> OpenBSD is the most secure OS.
Sure, but it's general layout sucks donkey balls, not to mention the userland, and it's attempt at a ports system. Don't get me started on the installer.
> NetBSD is the most portable
This doesn't matter for 90% of people out there, and thats a lowball.
> distributions of Linux right now that rival the BSDs' strong points
So then use linux.
> FreeBSD-5.3 is rock solid, meaning that it's just as solid as Linux, but FreeBSD will die if nobody is left to make changes to the kernel.
man vim patch diff send-pr
> I wouldn't invest in FreeBSD if it was a company.
Your allowance wouldn't help much.
FreeBSD 4.X still has value, albeit less than it did when it was the flagship branch. When I read the TODO list for this the other night, I saw that the tables only contained the titles. 4.11 seems like it will be good for people who want to setup a low-end do-whatever server with current packages and base system apps, while 5.X will handle everything else. My pentium 200 will be upgraded to 4.11 once it gets recommissioned.
It's good to see that this release is coming to be, and that support for FreeBSD 4 will live for a while longer also. This way, the hardware will die before the software on it does.
I don't suppose anyone knows what types of vehicles are popular with the students at Rice University?
I see what's going on here. Microsoft put so many exploits into IE that eventually the black hats will be overwhelmed with possibilities, to the point of quitting. It's like the vulnerability-options DDoS.
The Talented Rmg,
I am sorry but you have made that post in the wrong place. It is well thought out, coherent, and the ideas are separated with "paragraphs." You criticized Microsoft in a constructive way, and yet failed to call them Micro$haft or similar.
I suggest that you take this as a warning to find a new forum where people of your type are found in larger numbers. You may find them much more welcoming than your fellow posters here on Slashdot.
It's a perpetual motion machine... that's what's "new" about it.
I didn't RTFA, but I noticed my ski bike isn't on there. Neither is my shopping cart grocery trailer! Whats is this, a popularity contest?
http://craig.backfire.ca/imgbrowse/ski-bike/
Jesus, I've been spelling it wrong since I've been able to write! Why didn't anybody say anything?
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I just installed NetBSD 2.0 about 1 hour ago, and I must say, I am quite impressed! Check this out:
$ uptime
8:40PM up 67 days, 1:56, 14 users, load averages: 1.02, 0.42, 0.35