Well, that "other platform" hasn't published its source, provides no real documentation as to the internals of the system, doesn't conform to any published standard, and doesn't even have a published roadmap. Therefore, we all know very little about that platform, except for the actual coders. That is, in itself, a valid enough reason to completely disregard that platform as a reliable alternative. To make matters worse, it has such a ludicrous security record, and some oh so obvious design flaws that are apparent to anyone even without using the system (the mandatory graphic interface, for instance), that any further investigation into it seems pointless.
Come on. RHEL sucks, and the only people using it are noobs and sysadmins that didn't have the balls to tell their managers "fuck you, I'm installing slackware".
CentOS is the same, but for cheap bastards.
Regardless, you don't need an "easy fix". No qualified sysadmin uses the stock kernel that came with the distro in any critical server. If there's a patch, you'll just apply it to your sources and recompile. Only desktop users and not-critical services should rely on distro's updates. If you are relying on your distribution's updates for critical fixes on any service even remotely important, you are either fucking nuts or absolutely incompetent.
I understand why you are posting as AC and being vague about it, I'm fucking paranoid about revealing details of the entrails of my network too.
People don't understand how security works. If I told you the alarm in my office will fail to detect movement in zone 7 if you do X and Y, would you say that my office is absolutely compromised? No. I still have a security guy, bars, security doors, CCTV, and most things of real value inside is doubly secured (source code is encrypted, money is in the safe). A simple glitch doesn't mean I'm getting robbed.
The problem is that there are many admins out there that do it by the book, and just think that patching systems is enough. You have to work with the OS to keep it secure, not just rely on it. Of course, securing a platform like windows is fucking impossible, that's why we don't use it (not even in the desktops). But if you have a reasonably secure OS, you have to use the rest of your architecture plus some level of monitoring and log-watching to keep things safe.
Now Ksplice is really starting to piss me off. This is at least the fifth time we've get this kind of crap on slashdot.
Besides that, this is an escalation vuln... it's local, ok? Not a remote exploit. And, regardless of all that, there's already a fix, which was promptly released before this got out of hand.
So, between the ksplice assholes that abuse each vulnerability that is published to blow it out of proportion and somehow imply that if you require ksplice to patch this without loosing your job (I mean, come on, If your service is critical enough that it can't accept 2 minutes of downtime for a reboot, then you have redundancy and can update machines one by one without any real downtime) ; and the winslow assholes that don't understand shit about security and somehow think that this means that GNU/Linux is insecure and as bad as their shitty system, I'm going nuts every time there is a new vuln in the kernel.
Yeah, what I actually don't understand is why he went to live in the states. I mean, he's from fucking Finland. It's a fucking awesome country, and it's surrounded by Sweden (Tits), Norway (Awesomest place on earth, full of church-burners), and Russia (Best women on earth). So, he left an amazing country with a huge cultural heritage and an educated population in Europe, to go the New Rome, land of mcdonalds? That sounds like a stupid move to me.
Many serial killers use murder as a defense mechanism to cope with their latent homosexuality.
Any defense mechanism that is more elaborate than just telling yourself a few lies, or any defense mechanism of which you are unaware (that is, you truly believe your own fucking lies) is a fucking mental illness. Religion seems elaborate enough to count as fucking psychosis.
Right, because no atheist has ever had a negative impact on human society or culture...
That is inherently wrong because atheism is not a special group of people. Atheism just explains the default state, where you don't believe in something. It's like trying to excuse what Charles Manson did saying "yeah, right, because all the people not named Charles Manson never did anything wrong". There is no correlation between all the wrong things done by people named charles manson, therefore it's not comparable. In the same way, there is no correlation between all the wrong things done by atheists. If someone murders his wife with a frozen chicken because she kept talking to him during star trek and he happened to be an atheist, that's just another murder, he didn't murder her BECAUSE he was an atheist. It doesn't matter if he was also jewish, a satanist, or an ex-member of Led Zeppelin. NOT RELATED to the crime.
Religious people, on the other hand, has consistently done a lot of very wrong things BECAUSE of their religious believes. That's what makes it relevant.
Of course, I don't expect a religious apologist like you to understand fucking logic.
Anyway, sorry. Regardless of what you say, there is still no god, and religion still sucks.
Of course, religion did play a big part throughout history, and it even helped human kind advance a very long time ago. But saying that religion helped man get organized, leave by a certain set of rules, and develop the wheel millions of years ago is one thing, and saying that it still does that today is just plain stupid. Religion has been nothing but our biggest problem for at least 3000 years.
Remember, even in the golden days of Greece, religion was already trying to murder science.
And, really, why am I supposed to treat religion different from other mental diseases?
You wouldn't dare take seriously a scientists that was also an astrologist, or one that claimed aliens visited him daily... then why do we accept those that believe in that creepy guy in the sky? It's certainly just as crazy as all those guys that keep their head wrapped in tinfoil to prevent the government from controlling their minds, and we love to lock those away at mental institutions. Instead, we grant tax exceptions to those that believe in the crazy guy in the sky. But beware, the rule of thumb is: if your guy in the sky is green and lives in a starship, you get locked away. If your guy in the sky has a badass beard and a jewish son, you get a tax exception. Just remember that, it might come in handy if you ever choose to become schizophrenic.
I know we love to outrage over all this unscientific minds and their bold claims, but truly, it's not surprising.
Once you have someone that believes in god, well, that's a bottom line. You can get a shitload of other crazy things form them, and it doesn't matter at all, because they have proven to be stupid and unscientific from the very beginning when they told you they believe in a magical creepy father figure in the sky.
I agree 100% with you. The funny thing is that I have spotted exactly 2 posts in this whole thread defending patents. They were both posted by patent attorneys (said so in the posts).
Go figure.
For the record, I share your policy of no patents. Read (http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1783936&cid=33548302) for details.
I am a software developer. I own a software development company and employ ~11 people. We are in Argentina.
Most of our code has been released under the GPL, and we profit from providing support and from selling complete solutions (turn-key) that include our software. We develop our software, and a big part of our hardware, including our own domotics main boards, protocol and devices, and even our own cases (made of Aluminum and Acrylic that we produce using three CNC mills in our own factory).
FYI, we hold absolutely no patents, and both my business associate and I, who together own 100% of the stock of our company, have agreed to never apply for a patent.
"Censorship is the suppression of speech or other communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the general body of people as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body."
This clearly qualifies as censorship. It doesn't matter how the suppression of information is achieved, as long as information is being suppressed intentionally because of its content, it is censorship.
And, regardless of how you define this (censorship or otherwise), it certainly is still wrong.
Dude, you are a patent attorney. That is as low as it goes.
And, regarding parent's comment, let me put it this way: Corruption is everywhere. Your job description is corrupt by definition. There is a simple service that should be granted to any citizen, but we put a shitload of complex bureaucracy in the middle so that you have to hire a guy that does nothing but understand that stupid system (a fucking lawyer). The more you spend in lawyers, the better they'll play the system to get what you want. No money? Nothing for you. That is corrupt by definition.
The whole system is made of official bureaucrats and freelance bureaucrats. You all study on the same universities, you play golf in the same fields, and you make money from the same corpse. There is no need for any conspiracy, your shared interests are enough. So, it doesn't matter if you have to 'bribe' official bureaucrats, or if you have to 'hire' freelance bureaucrats. You are eventually paying to the same corrupt system to get something that is already yours since you are paying for the whole circus with your taxes.
You provide nothing valuable to society. You don't produce, you don't create, you don't provide any valuable service. You abuse the system, and help sustain the system so that others may abuse it too in the future. You sir, are a parasite.
Wow. Google says 4oz = 113 g. Here (Argentina) if you ask for a "Bife de Chorizo" (A steak) the standard is 450g (15 oz). You can get shot in this country for serving a 4oz steak:)
I'm talking about Burzum, Gaahl, Deicide, Dying Fetus, God Dethroned, Vital Remains, etc. Real Metal is played by church burners from Nordic countries.
And other's that are awesome but you'll hardly know (in Spanish, from Argentina, certainly not mainstream) like Almafuerte, Tren Loco, etc.
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Ah, come on. This thread is full of windows fanbois lashing at us.
Ok, please correct me then.
Tell me to what published specification does Windows conform to?
Past the links, punk, or STFU.
Well, what kind of proprietary crap are you running? choose better software, it's still your fault.
Damn dude, you owe me another one of these:
http://www.sarcasmdetector.com/product.html
Well, that "other platform" hasn't published its source, provides no real documentation as to the internals of the system, doesn't conform to any published standard, and doesn't even have a published roadmap. Therefore, we all know very little about that platform, except for the actual coders. That is, in itself, a valid enough reason to completely disregard that platform as a reliable alternative. To make matters worse, it has such a ludicrous security record, and some oh so obvious design flaws that are apparent to anyone even without using the system (the mandatory graphic interface, for instance), that any further investigation into it seems pointless.
Does that answer your question?
Come on. RHEL sucks, and the only people using it are noobs and sysadmins that didn't have the balls to tell their managers "fuck you, I'm installing slackware".
CentOS is the same, but for cheap bastards.
Regardless, you don't need an "easy fix". No qualified sysadmin uses the stock kernel that came with the distro in any critical server. If there's a patch, you'll just apply it to your sources and recompile. Only desktop users and not-critical services should rely on distro's updates. If you are relying on your distribution's updates for critical fixes on any service even remotely important, you are either fucking nuts or absolutely incompetent.
THIS ^^^^^^
I understand why you are posting as AC and being vague about it, I'm fucking paranoid about revealing details of the entrails of my network too.
People don't understand how security works. If I told you the alarm in my office will fail to detect movement in zone 7 if you do X and Y, would you say that my office is absolutely compromised? No. I still have a security guy, bars, security doors, CCTV, and most things of real value inside is doubly secured (source code is encrypted, money is in the safe). A simple glitch doesn't mean I'm getting robbed.
The problem is that there are many admins out there that do it by the book, and just think that patching systems is enough. You have to work with the OS to keep it secure, not just rely on it. Of course, securing a platform like windows is fucking impossible, that's why we don't use it (not even in the desktops). But if you have a reasonably secure OS, you have to use the rest of your architecture plus some level of monitoring and log-watching to keep things safe.
Now Ksplice is really starting to piss me off. This is at least the fifth time we've get this kind of crap on slashdot.
Besides that, this is an escalation vuln ... it's local, ok? Not a remote exploit. And, regardless of all that, there's already a fix, which was promptly released before this got out of hand.
So, between the ksplice assholes that abuse each vulnerability that is published to blow it out of proportion and somehow imply that if you require ksplice to patch this without loosing your job (I mean, come on, If your service is critical enough that it can't accept 2 minutes of downtime for a reboot, then you have redundancy and can update machines one by one without any real downtime) ; and the winslow assholes that don't understand shit about security and somehow think that this means that GNU/Linux is insecure and as bad as their shitty system, I'm going nuts every time there is a new vuln in the kernel.
Oh, the Irony.
Yup, Canada Rocks. It's England + France (Engrance 2.0)
Yup, he lives in Portland.
It's still not Europe, but it's not as bad as Jersey ;)
I'm just trolling. Get over it.
Yeah, what I actually don't understand is why he went to live in the states. I mean, he's from fucking Finland. It's a fucking awesome country, and it's surrounded by Sweden (Tits), Norway (Awesomest place on earth, full of church-burners), and Russia (Best women on earth). So, he left an amazing country with a huge cultural heritage and an educated population in Europe, to go the New Rome, land of mcdonalds? That sounds like a stupid move to me.
Congratulations on being a murderer! Please tell me your name so I can take a shit on your grave when you die.
Well, he's British. Why would he ever want to go to the US? To go where? Florida?
Do you really believe US citizens think for themselves? Come on. A small minority does, and most of those are not religious.
Many serial killers use murder as a defense mechanism to cope with their latent homosexuality.
Any defense mechanism that is more elaborate than just telling yourself a few lies, or any defense mechanism of which you are unaware (that is, you truly believe your own fucking lies) is a fucking mental illness. Religion seems elaborate enough to count as fucking psychosis.
Right, because no atheist has ever had a negative impact on human society or culture...
That is inherently wrong because atheism is not a special group of people. Atheism just explains the default state, where you don't believe in something. It's like trying to excuse what Charles Manson did saying "yeah, right, because all the people not named Charles Manson never did anything wrong". There is no correlation between all the wrong things done by people named charles manson, therefore it's not comparable. In the same way, there is no correlation between all the wrong things done by atheists. If someone murders his wife with a frozen chicken because she kept talking to him during star trek and he happened to be an atheist, that's just another murder, he didn't murder her BECAUSE he was an atheist. It doesn't matter if he was also jewish, a satanist, or an ex-member of Led Zeppelin. NOT RELATED to the crime.
Religious people, on the other hand, has consistently done a lot of very wrong things BECAUSE of their religious believes. That's what makes it relevant.
Of course, I don't expect a religious apologist like you to understand fucking logic.
Anyway, sorry. Regardless of what you say, there is still no god, and religion still sucks.
That is simply not true.
Of course, religion did play a big part throughout history, and it even helped human kind advance a very long time ago. But saying that religion helped man get organized, leave by a certain set of rules, and develop the wheel millions of years ago is one thing, and saying that it still does that today is just plain stupid. Religion has been nothing but our biggest problem for at least 3000 years.
Remember, even in the golden days of Greece, religion was already trying to murder science.
And, really, why am I supposed to treat religion different from other mental diseases?
You wouldn't dare take seriously a scientists that was also an astrologist, or one that claimed aliens visited him daily ... then why do we accept those that believe in that creepy guy in the sky? It's certainly just as crazy as all those guys that keep their head wrapped in tinfoil to prevent the government from controlling their minds, and we love to lock those away at mental institutions. Instead, we grant tax exceptions to those that believe in the crazy guy in the sky. But beware, the rule of thumb is: if your guy in the sky is green and lives in a starship, you get locked away. If your guy in the sky has a badass beard and a jewish son, you get a tax exception. Just remember that, it might come in handy if you ever choose to become schizophrenic.
I know we love to outrage over all this unscientific minds and their bold claims, but truly, it's not surprising.
Once you have someone that believes in god, well, that's a bottom line. You can get a shitload of other crazy things form them, and it doesn't matter at all, because they have proven to be stupid and unscientific from the very beginning when they told you they believe in a magical creepy father figure in the sky.
I agree 100% with you. The funny thing is that I have spotted exactly 2 posts in this whole thread defending patents. They were both posted by patent attorneys (said so in the posts).
Go figure.
For the record, I share your policy of no patents. Read (http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1783936&cid=33548302) for details.
I am a software developer. I own a software development company and employ ~11 people. We are in Argentina.
Most of our code has been released under the GPL, and we profit from providing support and from selling complete solutions (turn-key) that include our software. We develop our software, and a big part of our hardware, including our own domotics main boards, protocol and devices, and even our own cases (made of Aluminum and Acrylic that we produce using three CNC mills in our own factory).
FYI, we hold absolutely no patents, and both my business associate and I, who together own 100% of the stock of our company, have agreed to never apply for a patent.
Any other questions?
From wikipedia:
"Censorship is the suppression of speech or other communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the general body of people as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body."
This clearly qualifies as censorship. It doesn't matter how the suppression of information is achieved, as long as information is being suppressed intentionally because of its content, it is censorship.
And, regardless of how you define this (censorship or otherwise), it certainly is still wrong.
Dude, you are a patent attorney. That is as low as it goes.
And, regarding parent's comment, let me put it this way: Corruption is everywhere. Your job description is corrupt by definition. There is a simple service that should be granted to any citizen, but we put a shitload of complex bureaucracy in the middle so that you have to hire a guy that does nothing but understand that stupid system (a fucking lawyer). The more you spend in lawyers, the better they'll play the system to get what you want. No money? Nothing for you. That is corrupt by definition.
The whole system is made of official bureaucrats and freelance bureaucrats. You all study on the same universities, you play golf in the same fields, and you make money from the same corpse. There is no need for any conspiracy, your shared interests are enough. So, it doesn't matter if you have to 'bribe' official bureaucrats, or if you have to 'hire' freelance bureaucrats. You are eventually paying to the same corrupt system to get something that is already yours since you are paying for the whole circus with your taxes.
You provide nothing valuable to society. You don't produce, you don't create, you don't provide any valuable service. You abuse the system, and help sustain the system so that others may abuse it too in the future. You sir, are a parasite.
Wow. Google says 4oz = 113 g. Here (Argentina) if you ask for a "Bife de Chorizo" (A steak) the standard is 450g (15 oz). You can get shot in this country for serving a 4oz steak :)
Cannibal corpse has mostly become mainstream now.
I'm talking about Burzum, Gaahl, Deicide, Dying Fetus, God Dethroned, Vital Remains, etc. Real Metal is played by church burners from Nordic countries.
And other's that are awesome but you'll hardly know (in Spanish, from Argentina, certainly not mainstream) like Almafuerte, Tren Loco, etc.