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Cooking For Geeks

jsuda writes "You've got to have a lot of confidence and nerve to write and try to sell a nearly 400 page book on cooking to the take-out pizza and cola set. No cookbook is likely to turn many geeks into chefs or take them away from their computer screens. However, even though Cooking for Geeks contains a large number of recipes, it is not a conventional cookbook but a scientific explanation of the how and why of cooking which will certainly appeal to that group, as well as to cooking professionals and intellectually curious others." Read on for the rest of jsuda's review. Cooking for Geeks: Real Science, Great Hacks, and Good Food author Jeff Potter pages 432 publisher O'Reilly Media rating 9/10 reviewer jsuda ISBN 0596805888 summary an excellent and intriguing resource for anyone who wants to experiment with cooking The author is a geek himself and brings "geek-like" approaches to the subject matter - deep intellectual curiosity, affinity for details, appreciation of problem solving and hacking, scientific method, and a love of technology. What is even better is his filtering of cooking concepts by a computer coder's framework, analogizing recipes to executable code, viewing of ingredients as inputs and as variables, running processes over and over in a logical manner to test and improve outcomes. This is not a mere literary shoe-horning of cooking concepts into a coder's framework but an ingenuous approach to the topics that should loudly resonate with geeks.

The subject matter includes selecting and using kitchen and cooking hardware; prepping inventory; calibrating equipment (especially your oven, using sugar); understanding tastes and smells; the fundamental difference between cooking and baking (and the personality types which gravitate to one form or the other); the importance of gluten and the three major types of leavening (biological, chemical, and mechanical); the types of cooking; using time and temperatures; how to use air as a tool; the chemistry of food combinations; and very thorough and detailed discussions of food handling and safety. The book is organized into seven chapters and includes an appendix dealing with cooking for people with allergies. The recipes are indexed in the front of the book.

The major conventional flavor types of salt, sugar, acids, and alcohol have been supplemented by modern industrial elements - E- Numbered (a Dewey decimal system-like index) additives, colloids, gels, foams, and other yummy things! All are itemized, charted, and explained in the chapter entitled "Playing with Chemistry." A whole chapter (and an interview with mathematician, Douglas Baldwin) is devoted to the latest and greatest food preparation technique - sous vide - cooking food in a temperature-controlled water bath.

Threaded through the sections are short sidebar interviews of mostly computer and techie types who are serious cooks or involved in the food industry. Some of these contributors are Adam Savage (of Myth Busters fame) on scientific technique, Tim O'Reilly (CEO of the book's publisher) on scones and jam, Nathan Myhrvold, on Moderist cuisine, and others. Other interviews deal with taste sensitivities, food mysteries, industrial hardware, pastry chef insights, and many more. There is an insightful section just on knives and how to use and care for them.

Anyone who is interested in cooking will learn from this book. I now pay attention to things I've never heard of before: browning methods like caramelization and the Maillard processes, savory as a major taste, transglutaminase (a.k.a. meat glue), for example. There is stuff I didn't really want to know - "if you've eaten fish you've eaten worms."

Although one of the strengths of the book is the systematic organization, there are useful tips spread throughout. For example, keeping a pizza stone permanently in your oven will help even out heat distribution; storing vegetables correctly requires knowing whether they admit ethylene gas or not (a chart is included); you can test your smell sensitivity profile by using a professional scratch and sniff test kit obtainable from the University of Pennsylvania. Whatever specialized information not contained in the book is referenced to external sources, especially on the Internet.

If all of this is not stimulus enough for the geek crowd, how about learning how you can spectacularly kill yourself cooking with dry ice, liquid nitrogen, blowtorches, and especially an electrocuted hotdog. Cool! This is mad scientist stuff. Engineering-minded types can learn how to make their own ice cream machine from Legos. You'll also learn how NOT to kill your guests with bacteria and other toxins.

The production is nicely done with easily readable text, plentiful drawings and charts, color captions, and many other quality production features. Weights are based in both grams and US volume-based measurements.

You can purchase Cooking for Geeks: Real Science, Great Hacks, and Good Food from amazon.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

312 comments

  1. Cooking for Engineers by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A site in a similar vein.

    1. Re:Cooking for Engineers by goochman · · Score: 1

      came to recommend this site... been a fan for many years. The recipe cards alone are worth the visit.

    2. Re:Cooking for Engineers by stonewallred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I watch Good Eats(which has declined in quality IMNSHO) because AB takes the time to explain the whys and whats of cooking and that is worth ore than 1000 recipes.

    3. Re:Cooking for Engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False advertising. What kind of engineer prefers US customary units over metric?
      Yes, it provides metric translations, but they're the kind of over-exact never-heard-of-significant-digits conversions you see in shitty science journalism ("4 Tbs. (57 g) butter", "14 oz. (396 g) can sweetened condensed milk").

    4. Re:Cooking for Engineers by Stachybotris · · Score: 1

      I haven't really watched it much in the past few years (I think season 11 was the last one I saw?), but I imagine Iron Chef America is keeping him a little busy.

      But as for his books, oh hell yes. Some of them include generic methods that are far more valuable than specific recipes. Kinda like known the SMTP protocol instead of just being able to configure Sendmail...

    5. Re:Cooking for Engineers by drewhk · · Score: 2, Informative

      And some really cool stuff:

          http://cookingissues.wordpress.com/
          (The French Culinary Institute's Tech'N Stuff Blog)

      The best scientific cooking articles I've ever read!
      Also, another cool one is:

          http://blog.khymos.org/

      with its fine hydrocolloid recipe collection:

          http://blog.khymos.org/recipe-collection/

    6. Re:Cooking for Engineers by drewhk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, sorry the real site is:

            http://www.cookingissues.com/

      The wordpress site is no longer updated.

    7. Re:Cooking for Engineers by euroq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      False advertising. What kind of engineer prefers US customary units over metric?

      An American one?

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    8. Re:Cooking for Engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey look buddy, I'm an engineer. That means I solve problems. Not problems like, "how many grams of flour in a pound cake?," because that's what women are for. I solve practical problems. F'r instance, how am I gonna eat this cow? The answer: use fire. And if that don't work? Use more fire.

    9. Re:Cooking for Engineers by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One that shops at American stores. I'm an engineer. I do almost everything in metric, at work everything is in metric.

      But butter is still sold in 1/2 cup sticks. Milk is still sold in gallons, cans of stuff are usually in floz.

      Same with building stuff for my house: 2x4s are 6 or 8' long.

      It's just easier to leave it in the units that it comes in.

    10. Re:Cooking for Engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a Canadian engineer, and almost all our equipment (of U.S. origin) and designs are specced in Imperial units rather than metric. Canadian engineers are trained in both systems, but in engineering, Imperial seems to be the norm. (e.g. MMBtu's, scfm, lb's etc.)

    11. Re:Cooking for Engineers by paulschreiber · · Score: 2, Informative

      Michael -- the guy behind Cooking for Engineers -- is one of the interviewees in the book.

    12. Re:Cooking for Engineers by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yup...if you're from the US, cooking metric just isn't something easily done.

      For instance, I can easily measure in my hand a tsp or TBSP of something, I can pour about a cup of liquid easily, but I have no notion in my head what I'd try to measure if I did something in grams, or other metric units.

      Don't even get me started in trying to tackle the concept of heat and cooking times in C vs F.

      That being said...I think the most valuable new recipe book would be one that actually emphasized and re-enforced what actual PORTION size is supposed to be?!?!

      I'm in the middle of working out, losing weight (down 30lbs...working on about 25lbs more)...and aside from moving away from processed foods and carbs, learning portion control has been a true eye opener!!

      For instance, a portion of beef, let's say a steak is only 4oz. Do you have any real idea how small that is?

      I didn't until I weighed it...and then, I had to weigh it about 3 more times as that I could not believe a bit of meat that small was what is supposed to be a normal portion of your meal. About the size of a deck of cards.

      Well, I've been weighing foods to get that picture in my head what a portion is supposed to be. I've been trying to eat meals about 4-5 times a day..and that keeps from getting overly hungry, but man, it takes a little work to get used to eating such a small amount.

      In the past, for lunch, I'd have a HUGE tupperware thing filled with spaghetti and soaked in red gravy and meat sauce. I'd have to guess I was easily eating 3-4 lbs of that for a single lunch portion.

      Anyway...talk about an eye opener. I think if we could re-enforce what a true portion of food at a meal was, we'd go a LONG way to overcoming obesity.

      Fortunately, I found that by increasing the % of protein and fat in my diet and doing practically away with junk carbs (I try to only get them from veggies and fruit and some whole grain products)...my appetite did naturally fade away to a more normal level. That and eating throughout the day helps you to not get voraciously hungry, and want to over eat portions.

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    13. Re:Cooking for Engineers by PaladinAlpha · · Score: 4, Informative

      As someone who has recently went on a (self-inflicted) diet and exercise program, I want to chime in that this is pretty much right on the money. Pretty much the most important thing is getting your meal count up and your portion size down. Your body only has about five hundred calories of L2 cache, and topping that means your metabolism is having to go to main memory, which is something you want to avoid.

    14. Re:Cooking for Engineers by XanC · · Score: 1

      It's the scientists in their ivory towers who use the socialist utopian metric scheme. Engineers use real units.

    15. Re:Cooking for Engineers by dbitter1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With no assertion intended that portion control does not work, and the further disclaimer that you *MAY* die a horrible death of heart disease trying to do this, from first hand experience I have to say that the statistics don't lie: Doing Atkins/Southbeach- where you basically get to eat all the meat and cheese you want, most of the vegetables you want, and very very few processed carbohydrates:

      (1) You can eat all you want, portion size bedamned. Your body WILL tell you are full.

      (2) For 98% of the population, you WILL drop weight, and you won't be hungry. Most- I'd say 90%- will also have more energy than you ever did in your adult life while doing it.

      There is still a long way to go in diet science, but the low carb diet makes a lot more practical sense than its predecessors where you want to kill yourself out of hunger pains or need the mind control of a tenth-degree blackbelt to stop from eating a big-ass steak*

      * $diety bless America and our portion sizes.

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    16. Re:Cooking for Engineers by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Cooking is done with mass, you do have a scale don't you?

    17. Re:Cooking for Engineers by geekoid · · Score: 1

      but I have no notion in my head what I'd try to measure if I did something in grams, or other metric units.

      To bad there is no way to learn that. What are you, simple?

      And portion is an agreed upon standard. Not necessarily 'how much you should eat.'

      This is why ti was monumentally stupid to change portion sizes for soda cans.

      And yes, there are two things shown to improve someone chance at loosing weight

      1) A diary of what you eat

      2) Understanding what food is and what the appropriate portion are for the goal you want to achieve.

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    18. Re:Cooking for Engineers by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Most foods have a consistent density and scales used to be expensive so most recipes I've ever seen and certainly everything that I've inherited from my grandma has it in volume.

    19. Re:Cooking for Engineers by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      Wow. Google says 4oz = 113 g. Here (Argentina) if you ask for a "Bife de Chorizo" (A steak) the standard is 450g (15 oz). You can get shot in this country for serving a 4oz steak :)

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    20. Re:Cooking for Engineers by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2, Funny

      I used to watch Good Eats, however ever since AB became a paid spokeperson for the salt industry, he seems to have been using a lot more salt and telling everyone that it's not a problem. I don't watch him anymore.

    21. Re:Cooking for Engineers by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > False advertising. What kind of engineer prefers US customary units over metric?

      One that doesn't have a high precision scale and might need to subdivide things by "eyeballing" it.

      Metric is great for the lab but is not terribly practical outside of it.

      There is a reason it arose to begin with.

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    22. Re:Cooking for Engineers by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      One that doesn't have a high precision scale and might need to subdivide things by "eyeballing" it.

      The point where someone measures by guesswork is the point where they need to turn in their geek card. For the most part, I don't even care about food as anything other than a big casing for nutrients. And I still have a scale accurate to the mg.

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    23. Re:Cooking for Engineers by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      The only reason it's "practical" is because that's what you grew up with. I was in HS when Australia went metric in the 70's and have no problem "eyeballing" in either system. My adult kids do all their "eyeballing" in metric. My parents still "eyeball" in imperial and mentally convert to metric, despite the fact that dad is a retired engineer who served on the metric conversion board during the transition.

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    24. Re:Cooking for Engineers by ian_from_brisbane · · Score: 1, Funny

      At a glance, I thought that said cookingforeigners.com

      mmm tasty.

    25. Re:Cooking for Engineers by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Sure, you can google for the conversion anytime..but, who wants to do that every time you think of eating? I know what US measures are..and once I learn what a US measure portion should be...I can more easily do it by site...etc.

      Yeah...if you go to a steak house here and they give you 4oz for a $50 steak...anyone would kill them here too.

      Nothing wrong with splurging and gorging occasionally...but for every day eating....well, portions are MUCH smaller than we think. And let's face it...we could be eating home cooked meals about 98% of the time....eating out for a treat...only for special things and nothing wrong with going bit then, eh?

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    26. Re:Cooking for Engineers by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      For instance, a portion of beef, let's say a steak is only 4oz. Do you have any real idea how small that is?

      About half the size of a small steak. :)

    27. Re:Cooking for Engineers by tombeard · · Score: 1

      Damn right!
      And just remember that our 2x4s are 1 3/4 x 3 1/2, but still exactly 6 or 8 ft. long.
      Don't get me started on plywood thickness.

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    28. Re:Cooking for Engineers by tombeard · · Score: 1

      I agree. As a geek,engineer, and home cook, I am obsessive about weighing things. I know I don't need to be that precise, but if I can then why not? I doubt my family even knows their portions are exact to 1/10 of an oz. I could use grams, but why be pedantic;-)

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    29. Re:Cooking for Engineers by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I assume that since he's from Argentina he's more used to metric measures.

      Depending which site I read a suggested "portion of meat" here in the UK is 80g - 120g. I think I'd cook about 150g, but I do a lot of exercise.

      I very rarely order steak, especially from American restaurants. I want some vegetables with my meal, and steak is usually just meat and chips, with (perhaps) a tiny 'salad' for garnish.

    30. Re:Cooking for Engineers by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I think that's a cultural thing.

      All recipe books in Britain use mass, even my grandma's really old ones from the 1920s. Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management (published 1861) uses mass rather than volume. I suspect this is the same for most of Europe.

      Most people own kitchen scales -- simple ones with a spring and a dial are cheap, it's only electronic ones that used to be expensive. I don't own a set of volume measures, they're unusual here. I have a graduated jug, but I'll usually just zero the electronic balance and weigh the liquid (1ml=1g, for water).

      (Do you buy illegal drugs by volume over there? ;-)

    31. Re:Cooking for Engineers by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I weigh my pasta every time I cook it. In theory, I want to see if I've cooked the correct amount, so I can adjust the amount next time. In practise, I read "160g", then forget about it until the next time I cook pasta, when I can no longer remember how much I like.

    32. Re:Cooking for Engineers by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      But butter is still sold in 1/2 cup sticks.

      Even I find that retarded, and I'm from the UK.

      Who the fuck sells butter by the cup?

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    33. Re:Cooking for Engineers by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Well, I've been weighing foods to get that picture in my head what a portion is supposed to be. I've been trying to eat meals about 4-5 times a day..and that keeps from getting overly hungry, but man, it takes a little work to get used to eating such a small amount.

      Nobody needs to have 5 meals a day unless they're doing a *lot* of physical labour.

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    34. Re:Cooking for Engineers by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "I very rarely order steak, especially from American restaurants. I want some vegetables with my meal, and steak is usually just meat and chips, with (perhaps) a tiny 'salad' for garnish."

      Wow...what kind of US restaurant did you go to where they served a good steak...with potato chips?!?

      Usually at the finer steak houses, you get choices..ala carte generally, but things like a good baked potato (very common), asparagus, creamed spinach..etc.

      I've been to a few places that served french fries...but never had a decent steak where they served potato chips. Where in the states did you see this?

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    35. Re:Cooking for Engineers by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I say (in British) chips which means (in American) [French] fries.
      The things you call [potato] chips I call crisps.

      Having said that, when I was about 12 I got a steak with crisps somewhere in Michigan, which was funny at the time. We couldn't remember if I'd asked for "chips", or if it was normal -- someone at a different table had the same.

      More recently, the only American restaurants I've eaten in have been in London. The pictures from TGI Friday's's menu suggest more vegetables than I remember, and the menu at Bodean's says you can get a steak with a baked potato. But, when the food looks like this I may as well get something similar from a cheap English pub for half the price, or avoid greasy food altogether. (I can cook large quantities of greasy food myself, if I'm paying someone else I'd rather have something complicated.)

      This is the best American place (in London) that I've eaten at before, although I chose the Mexican dishes.

    36. Re:Cooking for Engineers by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Ok...when I was talking a real steak restaurant..I was thinking more on the higher quality end, something like Dickie Brennan's Steak House .

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    37. Re:Cooking for Engineers by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      My wife got me Good Eats: The Early Years for Christmas, and I was really surprised that it's worth having. I watch the show, obviously, but I figured just getting the recipes online was sufficient. There are extra "knowledge concentrate" sections along with the recipes that help you understand the 'why' better than the show. I suspect they are leavings from the first pass of the scripts which got ultimately cut, but it's worth having the books for those. Also, some of the recipes are updated from the shows. The ladies all raved over the brownies at a Girl Scouts even I went to, but, word to the wise, they're the most involved brownie recipe you'll ever attempt (compare with the Kraft 1-bowl recipe, e.g.).

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    38. Re:Cooking for Engineers by f()rK()_Bomb · · Score: 1

      your missing the point, you dont have 4-5 big meals, you have 5 small meals of 400 calories, this stops your body going into starvation mode or fat storage mode, since you basically cant process more than 500 calories in one sitting anyways. This is a well known technique of keeping weight down.

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    39. Re:Cooking for Engineers by mcvos · · Score: 1

      I'm a Canadian engineer, and almost all our equipment (of U.S. origin) and designs are specced in Imperial units rather than metric.

      Imperial? Are you sure? Not English?

    40. Re:Cooking for Engineers by mcvos · · Score: 1

      I solve practical problems. F'r instance, how am I gonna eat this cow? The answer: use fire. And if that don't work? Use more fire.

      That's proper engineering. Adam Savage would be proud of you.

    41. Re:Cooking for Engineers by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      This is one place where I find the imperial tradition or using volume much more practical. Instead of using a highly resolved unit for which you need measuring instrument, you can save a lot of time by just scooping a cup into flour/sugar or whatever.

    42. Re:Cooking for Engineers by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      "Eyeballing" can be done in any unit you're accustomed to. Unless they have practice, most people are quite useless at it, no matter what system is used.
      And it only works for a limited range. You might be able to tell me the diameter of a shaft in inches, but be completely useless at estimating the dimensions of a room.

    43. Re:Cooking for Engineers by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's cookingfortyengineers.com

    44. Re:Cooking for Engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to recommend that you read "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes. Trust me, just do it.

  2. The staples by kimvette · · Score: 1

    Does this cook book have the geek staples? Does it have recipes for Mountain Dew and Twinkies?

    A geek's four basic food groups:

      * Mountain Dew
      * Twinkies
      * Pizza
      * Beer

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    1. Re:The staples by Theoboley · · Score: 1

      You forgot Cheetos

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    2. Re:The staples by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's more the loser's staples. Some of us like to apply the typical geek problem solving techniques and eye for quality in the kitchen as well as the computer room.

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    3. Re:The staples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just gay. Not Geek.

    4. Re:The staples by macbeth66 · · Score: 1

      - Mountain Dew
      + Coke

      - Twinkies
      + Entenmann's choclate covered dounuts

      And no mention of Cheetos?
      And once upon a time, cigs would have been on that list. As a food group, dammit!

    5. Re:The staples by stonewallred · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I concur, as the deer roast, slowly being braised in my oven with potatoes, mushrooms, carrots, onion and celery will attest. And when I pull it out, I will pop in some buttermilk biscuits I made a couple of weeks ago, and froze before cooking them, into the oven to quickly cook to go with my dinner. Protip for geeks, learn to cook a few really good, yet complicated looking meals. There are many simple recipes that look and taste as though you slaved for hours to make. And yes, there are really women in the world, and yes, a well cooked meal impresses them far more than how well you can program, even if the ability of program impresses them.

    6. Re:The staples by Theoboley · · Score: 1

      "And no mention of Cheetos?"

      He forgot Hot Pockets as well.

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    7. Re:The staples by Abstrackt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's just gay. Not Geek.

      Yes, cooking really is joyful.

      To echo Hatta's sentiment, some of us like to extend our attention to detail beyond the geek cave. The engine that is your brain is only as good as the fuel you give it so knowing how to cook properly is an important skill.

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    8. Re:The staples by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yep, I even came up with some original recipes: Ramen noodles in Mountain Dew, deep fried Twinkies in Beer batter, Mac and cheese pizza, Donuts with Tacos etc etc

      I just wish I had more ingredients to work with.

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    9. Re:The staples by Clived · · Score: 1

      Well said. I am a geek and a fabulous cook at the same time. I enjoy being in the kitchen as much as I enjoy at being in front of one of my Linux boxes !!

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    10. Re:The staples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha, I have all of those recipes memorized:

      Mountain Dew - Go to the grocery store, buy Mountain Dew, pop the lid
      Twinkies - Go to the grocery store, buy Twinkies, unwrap the Twinkie
      Pizza - Go to the pizza store, buy a pizza, open the box
      Beer - Go to the grocery store, buy beer, pop the lid

    11. Re:The staples by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      For when one of those roasts gets a little freezer burn or you shoot an old deer, sauerbraten is the way to go.

      PROTIP: if the recipe includes ginger snaps, find a better recipe. Germans do not use ginger snaps in it.

    12. Re:The staples by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 1

      Between you and my bosses discussing the pros and cons of salmon and steak in my cubicle earlier, I'm HUNGRY!

      And I agree - a scant few talents makes you more appealing to the opposite sex then being able to throw down like Morimoto in the kitchen.

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    13. Re:The staples by arivanov · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      I recall only one male student (out of around 30) in my class/major at the Uni who could not cook. At least 3-4 could cook better (and healthier) than let's say Nigella or Worall Thomson. That is without counting myself (I definitely can cook a X-mas duck or carp better than either one of these "kill by cholesterol overdose" TV characters).

      Granted, I graduated with Chemistry before turning to the dark side and doing software, sysadmin and networks so my class probably does not constitute a representative sample.

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    14. Re:The staples by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      Well said. I am a geek and a fabulous cook at the same time. I enjoy being in the kitchen as much as I enjoy at being in front of one of my Linux boxes !!

      Why not do both?

      I have an old laptop on my kitchen counter. It makes a handy recipe database and being able to try new recipes from online without having to print them is a treat. It's not a bad idea to cover the keyboard with plastic wrap though.

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    15. Re:The staples by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Arugula wrapped cheetos with a salsa dipping sauce.

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    16. Re:The staples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      And yes, there are really women in the world, and yes, a well cooked meal impresses them far more than how well you can program, even if the ability of program impresses them.

      And I agree - a scant few talents makes you more appealing to the opposite sex then being able to throw down like Morimoto in the kitchen.

      Certainly any talent helps, but I think you both overstate cooking. I love food and cook extremely well. Food and cooking is an interest I've shared with most women I've dated, including my ex wife and my current fling. However does it help that much? Nope. I'd put things like dressing well, holding a good conversation and maybe even dancing ahead of cooking. You should learn to cook well enough to feed yourself. Not being able to take care of yourself isn't sexy, but throwing a kick ass dinner party isn't going to get you laid. However, it's insanely fun, if you like that kind of thing. Having fun is very appealing to the opposite sex. Still, if you aren't into cooking as a hobby, learning to cook a fancy meal isn't going to be very impressive.

    17. Re:The staples by Seakip18 · · Score: 1

      Where is the "+1 Delicious" mod option?

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    18. Re:The staples by cowscows · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cooking shares a lot of the qualities that make programming a fun hobby for many people. You can generally get fairly quick feedback on whether or not what you're doing is working and so you can iterate and learn quickly. While there can be benefits to having nicer and pricier hardware, it's definitely possible to get good results with older and/or cheaper equipment. There is tons of "open source" material out there to learn from and use, probably thousands of websites with recipes, some are even decently well organized. And while it's hard to find cooking ingredients that are free, you can make lots of good food while only spending a small amount on materials.

      And while a clever code hack might impress a handful of geeks, a good meal will impress almost everyone.

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    19. Re:The staples by pegr · · Score: 1

      because we all know how to brew beer, right?

    20. Re:The staples by dubbreak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's just gay. Not Geek.

      Quite the contrary. The easiest way into a woman's pants is often through her stomach.

      Being able to cook an impressive meal is, well, impressive to most women. That combined with a healthy wage indicates and ability to take care of her. If you are not entirely unattractive (which could be interpreted as poor gene stock) and can manage basic hygiene then getting her clothes off should not be difficult at all (she may even initiate). As long as you don't thoroughly disappoint her in the bedroom she'll want to marry you.

      Anecdotally I've found that after cooking for female friends they show a greater interest in me regardless of relationship status. Women like men who can cook.

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    21. Re:The staples by djdanlib · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Geeks of both genders, this is COMPLETELY TRUE.

      If you prepare a GOOD home-cooked meal for a friend you are romantically interested in, you win a lot of points. It's worth more than taking someone out for dinner (as long as you still do that once in a while) and WAY more than ordering delivery. It shows that you have some useful IRL skills that geeks are commonly assumed not to have. The more from-scratch it is, the more points you can theoretically obtain if your Other has also invested time in learning to cook.

      No mac-and-cheese and hotdogs though... make something good like the parent poster mentioned!

    22. Re:The staples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the honest attempt to illustrate that you 'can cook' goes far too with the ladies and it doesn't even have to be that good to boot.

    23. Re:The staples by jpapon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Probably some of the truest words ever written on /.

      I don't really understand why all engineers/programmers don't love to cook. It is truly a systematic discipline that you can steadily improve if you have a little patience and decent tastebuds. Not to mention "normal" people tend to appreciate a good meal far more than some nifty code snippet

      And by the way, just as you can apply engineering techniques to cooking, you can apply them in the bedroom as well. Pay attention to your inputs and the sort of outputs they give, and iterate, iterate, iterate until you reach an optimal solution!

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    24. Re:The staples by Bostik · · Score: 1

      Anecdotally I've found that after cooking for female friends they show a greater interest in me regardless of relationship status. Women like men who can cook.

      Incidentally, cooking is the best thing one can do with their pants on.

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    25. Re:The staples by mbourgon · · Score: 2, Funny

      And don't worry - just like code, you have nothing to actually show off a day later.

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    26. Re:The staples by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cooking shares a lot of the qualities that make programming a fun hobby for many people.
       
      tis true. once i made a batch of chili that ultimately led to a core dump.

    27. Re:The staples by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "And while it's hard to find cooking ingredients that are free, you can make lots of good food while only spending a small amount on materials."

      Except...don't cheap out on your cooking TOOLS!

      It is worth the money to shell out $$$ on good knives..and good cookware.

      Find what you like, but it is better to save and get 2-3 good knives and pans if that is all you can afford, rather than sets of crap you'll end up replacing frequently, and that doesn't do your food right.

      Nothing more dangerous than a dull knife. I like the Wusthof Trident knives. Yep, expensive, but they will last forever, and keep an edge. I bought a small set to start, and have started buying piece by piece as I have $$ and find some on sale.

      Same with cookware. Your choice might vary, but I find it is worth EVERY penny I've spent on All-Clad stainless steel stuff. It heats well, it heats evenly...and again, will last forever. I spend $200+ on a pan...I will get my money's worth out of it.

      I prefer to cook on gas...and this stuff is amazing on gas stoves.

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    28. Re:The staples by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Funny
      "Incidentally, cooking is the best thing one can do with their pants on."

      Yep....remember to always be careful if frying chicken nekkid...

      Grease *pops*

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    29. Re:The staples by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      cooking is the best thing one can do with their pants on.

      I do quite enjoy cooking, but try looser pants.

    30. Re:The staples by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      Does it have recipes for Mountain Dew and Twinkies?

      I was at my parents' house last weekend, and my dad made lemonade. I asked him to save the lemon peels, zested them, and put all the lemon zest in the freezer.

      Put about a tablespoon of lemon zest in a glass of Mt. Dew (diet is fine), let it sit for half an hour or so in the freezer to waterlog and sink, and you've got a delightful hybrid of Mt. Dew and lemonade.

    31. Re:The staples by stonewallred · · Score: 1

      I attended a military academy in HS. Where I learned not only fun stuff, and educational stuff, but other things like ballroom dancing, and etiquette. I have found it is much more effective to know nothing about dancing, yet be willing to learn. It is amazing how the female tends to get all excited and happy when she sees how well she can teach you to dance, and how natural you are at it. (yeah, I am a slimy fucker at times, but my nature is to analyze problems and figure out the most effective way to solve them. this includes getting laid)

    32. Re:The staples by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      And while it's hard to find cooking ingredients that are free...

      If you don't mind learning to forage it's actually pretty easy to find free food. I mostly top pizzas with cooked nettles and put thinly sliced burdock root into stir fry but dandelion salad and wild raspberry tea are pretty good too. Apparently you can make good tea from pine needles (lots of vitamin C) but I've never tried it myself.

      If you're going to harvest nettles make sure you wear gloves. They won't sting after you've cooked or dried them but up to that point they can be pretty unpleasant.

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    33. Re:The staples by stonewallred · · Score: 1

      I would say some of the easiest, yet most impressive things to cook are eggs benedict, tarts(puff pastry, egg yolk to seal, brush with egg yolks and dust with sugar and bake), a good solid milk gravy (takes practice but very easy once you learn), buttermilk biscuits, fried pork chops and mashed potatoes. All simple, and all easy. And all good to eat, if not healthy.

    34. Re:The staples by stonewallred · · Score: 1

      Take ramen noodles, throw away the MSG laden heart attack pouch, boil noodles in either beef broth or chicken broth with frozen green peas, frozen corn and maybe some chopped onions or frozen broccoli.For real fanciness, add pieces of chicken or a beef roast. Season with a little garlic powder, salt and pepper to taste. Serve with pieces of french or itallian bread sliced on an angle, and brushed with garlic butter and lightly toasted. Takes about 10 minutes to make and looks and tastes like it took all day.

    35. Re:The staples by pnuema · · Score: 1

      Congratulations! You figured out how to use the internet at 12 years old! We're so proud of you! But remember, it's not polite to refer to things you disapprove of as "gay". People will think you are an idiot.
      Run along now. :)

    36. Re:The staples by cowscows · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good cookware is certainly nice to have, but it's by no means required, and you certainly don't need to go out and spend a thousand bucks on knives and pans when you're just starting out. A sharp knife is essential, but even a cheaper knife can be plenty sharp for you to get started.

      Begin with the cheaper stuff until you learn what tools you really prefer and need, then you can make better choices as to what to spend serious money on, plus you'll have had an opportunity to become better educated on which products actually are higher quality. Plus you'll hopefully have learned about how to properly care for your tools before you buy the good stuff.

      Lower price stuff isn't always garbage. You can make some totally awesome stuff with cast iron, and that stuff is cheap as hell.

      Your point stands, really good quality stuff often costs more money, and it can definitely be worth it. But it's not 100% necessary to make delicious food. Also, I think it can be educational to have tried similar cooking techniques on varying quality equipment, seeing how the different tools affect the food can tell you a lot about what is actually happening on the heat.

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    37. Re:The staples by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Cooking shares a lot of the qualities that make programming a fun hobby for many people.

      Yes, sometimes you even use recursion. For instance, here are the ingredients for making yogurt:
      1. Warm milk
      2. Yogurt

    38. Re:The staples by Monkey_Genius · · Score: 2, Funny

      Contrary to popular belief, there really are only three food groups:

      * Whipped
      * Congealed
      * Chocotastic

      As per Dr. Nick Riviera.

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    39. Re:The staples by cowscows · · Score: 1

      Yeah, although the potential for foraging varies widely depending on where you live. Another great option if you have the space is a vegetable garden. $20 bucks worth of plants and a little bit of hard work can grow you hundreds of dollars worth of veggies. Seeing your food grow is pretty cool, you know it's fresh when you picked it off the stem right before you throw it into the pot, and the only thing that impresses people more than well prepared food is well prepared food that you grew in your own backyard.

      Also if you're interested in that sort of thing, no matter where you live there's likely a substantial community of home gardeners who love to teach and learn about growing food and cooking, and are interested in trading homegrown fruits and vegetables (and sometimes even meats). You can get to know some pretty interesting people through a gardening hobby.

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    40. Re:The staples by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      And interestingly, many a meal has been spoiled because it burned while the cook and the intended recipient get "distracted" during food preparation.

      There's just something about aprons...

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    41. Re:The staples by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I prefer to think of it as chemistry that is a joy to all 5 senses.

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    42. Re:The staples by geekoid · · Score: 1

      More misogynistic attitudes like this is exactly what we need to drive more women out of the industry.

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    43. Re:The staples by dbitter1 · · Score: 1

      To echo a point above- Cooks Illustrated magazine rocks- they did a chef's knife review.

      They put out their number one choice as a $24.95 knife (A Victorinox forschner) that beats some of the knives an order of magnitude higher.

      I have both the cheap and one of the more expensive ones... and they are right. $25 will do just fine for a proper chef's knife. A whole set of the various types would be less than $100. There's the cost justification for the subscription this year...

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    44. Re:The staples by geekoid · · Score: 1

      More ingredients?
      You have flour, water, yeast, barley, oats, sugar, creme, cheese salt, lettuce, beef, beans...to just name a few.

      You can cook a whole hell of a lot with those ingredients.

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    45. Re:The staples by BonquiquiShiquavius · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here Here! I started cooking after the beginning of my marriage, and all I had was a four inch Ikea knife and an old cast iron skillet. I made some of the best meals I've ever made. Now almost five years later, with much nicer knives and cooking supplies, I can make the same meals much quicker, but only increased experience makes them any better.

    46. Re:The staples by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      carp better than either one of these "kill by cholesterol overdose" TV characters

      Thus proving English food is inedible. You poor fools eat goldfish for Christmas?

      At least get a cod or some other proper eating fish.

    47. Re:The staples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but *everybody* loves the fire! Heh heh heh...

    48. Re:The staples by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The best ingredients you will ever cook with are those that you grew yourself.

      Items acquired from a real farmer's market or CSA run a close second.

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    49. Re:The staples by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > More misogynistic attitudes like this is exactly what we need to drive more women out of the industry.

      Feminism run amok is why the ability to cook is a very advantageous male mating skill.

      Generations of females have been indoctrinated into avoiding the domestic arts out of some sort of misguided notion of feminism.

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    50. Re:The staples by Gorobei · · Score: 1

      Quite the contrary. The easiest way into a woman's pants is often through her stomach.

      I noticed that when I was younger.

      Now I find a personal chef in the kitchen while you sip wine with the women works pretty well too. It has the added benefit that her panties don't smell of garlic.

    51. Re:The staples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's a messy chore that takes time away from other activities. BTW, who really gives a shit about "nifty code snippets"? Building good solid systems, with efficient, maintainable code that does what it's supposed to do and getting it done ASAP is more important. Those nifty code snippets will be gone when the system is moved to a new language or refactored for some other project. I have yet to meet a group of geeks that would get together and yak about their nifty code snippets. They end up talking about hardware/gadgets, guns, cars, aircraft, sports, and/or politics.

    52. Re:The staples by dubbreak · · Score: 1

      Because it's a messy chore that takes time away from other activities.

      The same could be said about developing software. If it's a messy chore you are doing it wrong. Plain and simple.

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    53. Re:The staples by proverbialcow · · Score: 1

      That's just gay. Not Geek.

      Well, if that's true, he's certainly come to the right place to meet ... exclusively ... men.

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    54. Re:The staples by jpapon · · Score: 1

      Ah, but you see, efficiency isn't the only goal of engineering. Yes, you could make cooking, sex, architecture, design, and just about anything else merely efficient. But where's the fun in that? Efficiency may have its own stark, utilitarian beauty, but to think it's the only outcome of proper engineering seems rather short-sighted.

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    55. Re:The staples by cowscows · · Score: 1

      You're totally right, and to direct this sentiment more specifically, I would suggest that people learn to make bread. For most people bread holds a position as one of the most fundamental foods yet entirely mysterious. It turns out that it's really easy to make good bread (especially if you have an electric mixer with a dough hook), and even mediocre homemade bread is light years better than the sliced loafs most people are used to.

      Make some white bread rolls on sunday, bring a bag full of them in to work the next day to share, your coworkers will be more friendly to you than ever before.

      And if you get into it, there are about a zillion different types of bread you can make. There's literally thousands of years of experimentation and tradition to learn from.

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    56. Re:The staples by tombeard · · Score: 1

      Almost every town has a restaurant supply store. They sell to anyone and you can get good quality stuff cheap. Le Creuset is nice when you can afford it but you can get by for a lot less.

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    57. Re:The staples by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      Wow, you must know some really boring geeks.

    58. Re:The staples by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I was sharing cooking with someone a couple of weeks after I started university, and I mentioned that her knives were good. She'd bought a set of three, they cost £12 from an advert in the back of a Sunday newspaper.

      I bought the newspaper, then bought the knives. That was over five years ago. I haven't sharpened them yet (I don't own a sharpening steel), but they still cut meat 90% as well as they first did.

    59. Re:The staples by xaxa · · Score: 1

      If you don't want the meat (for whatever reason -- convenience/cost/etc) try adding some pulses. Borlotti beans should work well, or butter beans.

      I buy them canned, as it takes ages to cook dried ones.

    60. Re:The staples by xaxa · · Score: 1

      If we're defining a country's food by what we see on TV, things aren't looking good for America ;-)

      (Many British cooking programmes seem to have turned into reality shows, with annoying mega-zooming by the camera, and more information on who the chef is sleeping with and/or how her kids are doing at school than on the recipe. There's a couple that don't mention the recipe at all, and are just a chef yelling at his students.)

      PS, a quick Google suggests Polish people are likely to eat carp for Christmas. I've never heard of it, most British people cook a turkey. A whole salmon is traditional for Christmas Eve -- cod is the boring fish you get at the fish & chip shop, it's certainly not appropriate for a special occasion!

    61. Re:The staples by Geeky · · Score: 1

      And don't worry - just like code, you have nothing to actually show off a day later.

      Well, you can show off the output of your meal, but most people won't want to see it.

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    62. Re:The staples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So do three things correctly (cook, fuck, keep clean) and a woman will want to marry you? Hmm how about thinking of fellow women as yourself, and then adding some respect you don't even show to yourself, in your case?

      I thought we liked quality.

      If a woman wants to marry you just for those three things you are stuck with the simpler model.

      Signed,
      A female geek.

    63. Re:The staples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can apply them in the bedroom as well. Pay attention to your inputs...

      What else do you suggest I put in there?

    64. Re:The staples by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      It might not be a special fish, but a sight better than a Carp.

      PROTIP: if your turkeys are as crappy as ours seek out a traditional breed one.

  3. Cooking for computer scientists by spiffmastercow · · Score: 4, Funny

    The microwave is usually the optimal algorithm, as it cooks food in logN time.

    1. Re:Cooking for computer scientists by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Indeed. And for when it turns out to taste like you just heated up a biological waste bin, you can drown it in ketchup.

      I'm not sure I need this book.

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    2. Re:Cooking for computer scientists by Alan+Shutko · · Score: 1

      The microwave can be a tool for good food. Barbara Kafka's Microwave Gourmet is a great book on foods where the microwave is actually a good cooking method. Pate, for example....

    3. Re:Cooking for computer scientists by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Funny

      Kafka's Microwave Gourmet

      That seems about right.

    4. Re:Cooking for computer scientists by geekoid · · Score: 1

      If you know what your doing, you can cook some really good food using a microwave.

      The Microwave - It's not just for hot dogs and burritos anymore.

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    5. Re:Cooking for computer scientists by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...like anything else in the kitchen, you need to know what you're doing and have some technique.

      A device that has been around for less than 50 years is probably less likely to be mastered by cooks in general than something that is 5000 years old.

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    6. Re:Cooking for computer scientists by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Sweet Jesus. I just tried re-reading that second sentence.

      My most sincere apologies for that little brain-rape. I must have been low on caffeine.

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  4. Good Eats in book form by swanzilla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Alton Brown has been doing this stuff for years. Interesting stuff, in any case.

    1. Re:Good Eats in book form by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Amazingly enough, Alton has published many Good Eats books...

    2. Re:Good Eats in book form by Offenbach · · Score: 2, Informative

      And before Alton Brown there was "On Food and Cooking" by Harold McGee. It's about 20 years old and still considered the best book on food science; covers everything from the microbiology to paleontology.

    3. Re:Good Eats in book form by hedwards · · Score: 1

      It's a good book, and Cooking for Geeks features and interview with him. The main problem with "On Food and Cooking" from what I gather is that it's a lot of knowledge which a beginner is likely to be overwhelmed by. Cooking for Geeks is more of a beginners book explaining them basic processes and getting the reader introduced to the whys of cooking.

    4. Re:Good Eats in book form by bastion_xx · · Score: 1
    5. Re:Good Eats in book form by bastion_xx · · Score: 1

      Cook's Illustrated. Sorry, extrans and I didn't check the preview....

    6. Re:Good Eats in book form by darien.train · · Score: 1

      I second the motion. Cook's Illustrated and by extension America's Test Kitchen are top quality technique and recipe resources. I also recommend The King Arthur Flour Baker's Companion as a great resource for anyone who wants to know everything about baking. King Aurthur Flour really make incredible products and know how to use them. Their flour is worth the money and once you stop using Gold Medal and the other cheap gross kinds you'll notice a BIG difference in the quality of your food.

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    7. Re:Good Eats in book form by CensorshipDonkey · · Score: 1

      Seeing their relationship with the Culinary Institute of America, Alton's alma mater if you will

      Alton Brown attended NECI, the New England Culinary Institute, not the CIA.

    8. Re:Good Eats in book form by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      And before Alton Brown there was "On Food and Cooking" by Harold McGee. It's about 20 years old and still considered the best book on food science

      Actually, it's just six years old - a completely revised version was issued in 2004.

    9. Re:Good Eats in book form by mackai · · Score: 1

      I wonder how this book's information compares or differs to Alton Brown's books, or "How to Read a French Fry", or "What Einstein Told his Cook", all of which deal with Kitchen science. Are you (the reviewer, jsuda) familiar with them?

    10. Re:Good Eats in book form by Byzantine · · Score: 1

      There's a second edition, if you didn't know, published within the last ten years. Although "second edition" is somewhat misleading; it's largely rewritten--but it's even better than the first.

  5. good eats with alton brown!!!! by imp7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just watch Good Eats with Alton Brown... the biggest geek of us all.

    1. Re:good eats with alton brown!!!! by darien.train · · Score: 1

      Just watch Good Eats with Alton Brown... the biggest geek of us all.

      Agreed. Good Eats is by far the most informative cooking show on television because of a simple frame-change. Good Eats is a technique show, not a recipe show which is far more valuable if you're serious about being a good cook. All the Barefoot Contessa or even Jacques Pepin (who's my personal favorite when it comes to recipes) won't teach you to truly understand the art of cooking...just the art of repeating other people's cooking.

      My only problem with Good Eats is that Alton blatantly hacked the format from Bill Nye The Science Guy but the show isn't nearly as entertaining...although if you're going to "borrow" do it from the best.

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  6. List geek cooking instructions here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Preparing Scrambled Eggs:
    INSERT INTO bowl SELECT * FROM spoon_and_raw_eggs ORDER BY RAND()

    Making pulled barbecue from a slow cooked slab of beef:
    fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork();

    I'm outta material :(

    1. Re:List geek cooking instructions here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork();

      Change the 'f' to a 'b' and you get Swedish Chef.

    2. Re:List geek cooking instructions here by IICV · · Score: 1

      Every Unix shell script starts out with hashbrowns (even though it's apparently pronounced "shabang") - I guess someone was hungry when they decided that the magical byte sequence was going to be #!

    3. Re:List geek cooking instructions here by snowgirl · · Score: 3, Funny

      fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork();

      Change the 'f' to a 'b' and you get Swedish Chef.

      You mean: s/f/b/g for Swedish Chef.

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    4. Re:List geek cooking instructions here by __aagctu1952 · · Score: 1

      SQL and C? I'd use Chef for this task...

    5. Re:List geek cooking instructions here by greed · · Score: 1

      exec >> plate
      ( bake --temp 400 --time 20:00 < bacon; ) &
      ( repeat 2 slice bread | { sleep $((18*60)) && toaster --doneness=dark; } ) &
      ( sleep $((18*60)) && dd if=/dev/fridge/eggs | fry --style=over-easy ) &
      dd if=/dev/cupboard/coffee bs=tbsp count=6 | grind --size=extra-fine | cat /dev/boiler - | filter > carafe
      dd if=/dev/fridge/orange-juice bs=250mL count=1 > glass

      Sadly, I do have the times down so that the toaster pops as the bacon is ready and the eggs are just coming out of the pan....

      The cronjob that roasts coffee is left as an exercise for the student. So is the demand-loaded job to make a new batch of OJ.

    6. Re:List geek cooking instructions here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Making pulled barbecue from a slow cooked slab of beef:
      fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork();

      FTFY:

      While (Meat == slab)
      {
              fork();
      }

    7. Re:List geek cooking instructions here by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

      Some traditional geek dishes, ordered by country of nationality:

      Vietnamese
      cat foo > /home/bowl

      New Guinea
      finger > /home/bowl
      head foo> /home/bowl
      man foo > /home/bowl
      toe foo > /home/bowl (punintended)
      cadaver > /home/bowl (need Internet webdav though)

      Japanese
      raw /dev/foo (for Linux users only)

      Vegetarians
      tree > /home/bowl
      logger >/home/bowl (oh wait, maybe this is for New Guinea)

      Divorced Cannibals with grudges
      ex | cut | fold > /home/bowl

      Native American
      bison > /home/bowl

    8. Re:List geek cooking instructions here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      What the heck is a Swedish Cheb?

  7. Realy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Is it such a stretch that some one who enjoys intellectual pursuits would never laden down their bookshelf or kindle with a copy of the Larousse Gastronomique, or even Joy of Cooking?... Maybe its just me.

    -= AC =-

    1. Re:Realy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Maybe geeks are much less varied wherever jsuda lives, but in the UK I find it is rare to meet a geek who isn't at the very least a foodie, and most of the geekiest geeks I know are also really good cooks. Though most of them didn't really use cookbooks while cooking, so much as read them, gain enlightenment, and go back to successful improvisation from first principles.

    2. Re:Realy? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with those books, but they really don't go into the why of cooking or explain how to know what a pinch, dash or to taste really means. Nor do they talk much about things like the Maillard reaction or sous vide cooking and why they're important to understand. Cooking for Geeks is really a book about how to take recipes and adjust them and really create your own recipe. A while back I made a curry based loosely upon what Cooking for Geeks talks about. I took the ingredients I had and through them together on the "if it grows together it goes together" basis. Which admittedly isn't unique to that book, I just didn't know about that previously.

      Cooking for Geeks really gets down and into the science of cooking and really explains why certain things are done and alternatives.

    3. Re:Realy? by Alan+Shutko · · Score: 1

      A couple other books in this vein: Cookwise by Shirley Corriher. Goes into the food science a lot. Also, Improvisational Cook by Sally Schneider. Sally gives a lot of base ideas and talks through how you can change them. It's good getting you in the mindset to riff on a theme.

    4. Re:Realy? by Fumbili · · Score: 0

      Nobody said "never", you did. But we are talking about people who enjoy "overclocking" their microwave to get more wattage...

    5. Re:Realy? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      I've got the Larousse, but still haven't opened it. Neither has my wife (who is an awesome cook). My problem with most cook books is that they don't teach me what I want to know. I think this geek-oriented approach could work well for me.

      Among all the interesting stuff in this review, there's one thing that seems to have been omitted: taste. How do you mix different tastes into something that tastes well? For do you choose appropriate herbs and spices? I've got no clue.

  8. waste of paper. by grub · · Score: 1


    who needs a whole book telling you how to boil Raman Noodles?

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  9. Programmers love to cook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has been my experience that a large larger of geeks enjoying cooking. Cooking itself is rather geeky.

    I'm a developer (for 20 years) and I wouldn't so far as to say I love cooking but I enjoy it most of the time and I make almost all of my food from scratch. Really it's the only way to get good tasting healthy food these days.

  10. unnecessary waste of time by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Funny

    cooking is. Everything raw, that's the way.

    Of-course for a vegetarian it's a much easier proposition.

    1. Re:unnecessary waste of time by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Eating everything raw is a pretty silly idea. I enjoy raw tuna and rare steak as much as anyone, but with no cooking at all many nutrients are not available. Not to even mention the lack of flavor such a diet would have.

    2. Re:unnecessary waste of time by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      as I said, for a vegetarian it's a more doable idea. For 8 years I only ate raw vegetable/fruits/nuts, that's pretty much it. I ate nothing cooked at all. Now it's a bit different, I cook some of the vegetables.

    3. Re:unnecessary waste of time by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I would think being a vegetarian would make it harder. All tubers are basically right out, so is almost any other root vegetable. Most beans are inedible raw too. What exactly other than fruit, soft vegetables and nuts would you be eating?

      Sounds like one would need to be very careful to get a decent diet that way.

    4. Re:unnecessary waste of time by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Yoda? Is that you?

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    5. Re:unnecessary waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enjoy your raw kidney beans!

    6. Re:unnecessary waste of time by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      well no, many root vegetables are edible raw. I even tried potatoes, but I don't recommend.

      Tomatoes, cucumbers, avocado, carrots, beats, parsnip, turnip, onions, garlic, radish, celery, all leafy things like salads, cabbage, spinach, cauliflower, broccoli, corn... I am not naming all, but there are plenty.

    7. Re:unnecessary waste of time by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      for a vegetarian it's a much easier proposition.

      Not if you can outrun a cow.

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    8. Re:unnecessary waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My MIL had cancer & switched to a largely raw, vegan diet based on this book:
      http://www.amazon.com/Your-Life-Hands-Understanding-Preventing/dp/0312275617
      She says she's never felt better, and after 3 rounds of chemo she's still going strong. I'm not all the way there yet, but I'm moving towards raw and vegan myself.

    9. Re:unnecessary waste of time by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      cooking is. Everything raw, that's the way.

      Of-course for a vegetarian it's a much easier proposition.

      Me, I'm not so into raw kidney beans, quince, rhubarb, fava/broad beans, cassava, olives, eggplant, artichokes, plantains, and even raw spinach produces health problems in large quantities -- but you can go ahead if you'd like. Many of them won't kill you outright.

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    10. Re:unnecessary waste of time by dangitman · · Score: 1

      For 8 years I only ate raw vegetable/fruits/nuts, that's pretty much it.

      So, what was the cause of your mental lapse, did you get knocked on the head? Or were you stranded on a desert island?

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    11. Re:unnecessary waste of time by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Not really. First off - cooking help the digestive process. Second - it kills nasties on the food.

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    12. Re:unnecessary waste of time by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      better ask me why I stopped (the reason is that it's difficult to participate in social occasions without almost completely abstaining from all food.)

    13. Re:unnecessary waste of time by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      well, for 8 years I ate only raw vegetables, fruits and nuts, well and honey, right now I don't, but it's hard to be very social if I only eat raw food because to participate in social events there is very little choice of what to eat at the restaurants. Normally I eat raw food even now though, but I don't eat beans obviously, though I love spinach and all green leafy salads, cabbage, etc. I did try raw potatoes, but I prefer not to, they taste like raw starch.

    14. Re:unnecessary waste of time by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      I would have thought it was obvious - being vegan or vegetarian wasn't sufficiently unique for him, so he had to come up with some other method of demonstrating his superiority/individuality.

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    15. Re:unnecessary waste of time by carp3_noct3m · · Score: 1

      Enjoy your stomach worms. which can come from not only fish but from raw vegetables as well.... (and I used to love sushi soo much...but now...ugg)

      --
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    16. Re:unnecessary waste of time by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      As they say, in America we eat the meat cooked and the vegetables raw; in Japan they eat the vegetables cooked and the meat raw.

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    17. Re:unnecessary waste of time by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      The same applies to meat as to vegetables. Many proteins and nutrients aren't digestible without being cooked, which makes nutrition more difficult.

  11. Bah... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    I do most of my cooking in the microwave, and I've actually gotten pretty good at it. About the only thing that goes in the conventional oven is frozen pizza, and about the only thing I cook on the stove is hamburgers, french fries, steak, and eggs. Other meats and vegetables go in the microwave. It takes me about ten minutes to cook a good balanced meal - last night I had lemon-pepper pork chops, hominy, lima beans, and a baked potato.

    Even chicken can be cooked in the microwave without turning to rubber if you do it right. I've never gotten the hang of frying chicken on the stove.

    I'd starve without my microwave.

    1. Re:Bah... by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      How do you get any browning?
      How would you make a confit?

    2. Re:Bah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "How do you get any browning?"

      spray paint

    3. Re:Bah... by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Blowtorch? Welding apparatus? Brown tinted sunglasses?

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    4. Re:Bah... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      How do you get any browning?

      I don't. That's why I cook steak on the stove or grill. Everything else, I don't need browning.

      How would you make a confit?

      I have a refrigerator and freezer, so the preservation aspects of a confit are unnecessary. However, often I do like to marinade meat. I just put it in a ziplock with its sauce and let it sit overnight. It works well.

    5. Re:Bah... by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I don't. That's why I cook steak on the stove or grill. Everything else, I don't need browning.

      Your pork chops must have been pretty bad.

      I have a refrigerator and freezer, so the preservation aspects of a confit are unnecessary.

      In 2010 that is not why people make confit.

      Marinading meat overnight is nothing like confit.

    6. Re:Bah... by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      I use my stove all the time, but I have made hot dogs with the microwave followed by my blowtorch.

    7. Re:Bah... by cowscows · · Score: 1

      Can you caramelize onions in the microwave? Caramelized onions are probably the greatest thing ever.

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      One time I threw a brick at a duck.

    8. Re:Bah... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I've never had or heard of carmelized onions, but from the wikipedia article on them, I really doubt you could (and I'd try them, but I doubt I'd like them). That's another thing I forgot about that I cook on the stove, battered onion rings.

    9. Re:Bah... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I've never had or heard of carmelized onions, but from the wikipedia article on them, I really doubt you could (and I'd try them, but I doubt I'd like them). That's another thing I forgot about that I cook on the stove, battered onion rings.

      Gah! You can get them most places on a burger. Mushrooms and swiss for me, to complete.

      If you try frying some up, hit them with a splash of cooking wine shortly before they're done. The alcohol does something amazing to the sugars in the onions. I avoid alcohol as a form of recreation, but it's fantastic here. I usually use the Chinese rice version, but a cooking sherry works as well.

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  12. Complexity by pjt33 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you want to cook food in log time you should use an open fire.

    1. Re:Complexity by Wiarumas · · Score: 1

      The problem with using an open fire is that its plagued with bugs.

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    2. Re:Complexity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't forget to log your progress.

  13. Saltines lasagna by snsh · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have you ever looked at the recipes on the back of a box of Saltines crackers? It's stoner food.

    Lasagna: Saltines, Velveeta, ketchup.

    1. Re:Saltines lasagna by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      Saltines, Velveeta, ketchup.

      A lot of college students eat this also. Coincidence, or something more sinister?

    2. Re:Saltines lasagna by adamjcoon · · Score: 1

      Gross.

    3. Re:Saltines lasagna by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a stoner, I resent the implied characterization that heavily processed foods are considered not just edible but desirable while high. In fact, while stoned few things will blow your mind like fruit and berries... the major exception being ice cream.

  14. Can't I just microwave it? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    And I don't even like having to remove the film and stir it halfway through microwaving. Where's *my* book, dammit???

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    1. Re:Can't I just microwave it? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I believe they call that a "phone book" and it contains many "recipes" for things like pizza, Thai and Indian foods. And in some markets other foods such as Vietnamese and Chinese.

    2. Re:Can't I just microwave it? by AndrewNeo · · Score: 1

      I find that kind of strange where I live, because it only contains recipes for pizza and Chinese food, and a lot of both at that. But no Thai, Indian, or Vietnamese. (Which sucks)

    3. Re:Can't I just microwave it? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      No thanks. I don't want to eat people--whatever their nationality.

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    4. Re:Can't I just microwave it? by mcgrew · · Score: 1
  15. "if you've eaten fish you've eaten worms." by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    if you've eaten Worcestershire sauce then you've eaten fermented anchovies.

    if you take premare then your then someone's been taking the piss out of pregnant mares.

    I'm not sure where they get all those nitrates from in preservatives, but I should imagine the synthesis is a lot easier than collecting buckets of piss from outside pubs nowadays.

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    1. Re:"if you've eaten fish you've eaten worms." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's cool. I have a bottle of fermented anchovies in my fridge. it's called Fish Sauce.

    2. Re:"if you've eaten fish you've eaten worms." by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      If you've eaten anything with red food coloring you've eaten bugs.

    3. Re:"if you've eaten fish you've eaten worms." by GerryHattrick · · Score: 1

      Anchovies have been fermented since Roman times (check 'garum', it's all umami). But they collected the (human) piss for 'waulking' the wool, which the wimmin did with their feet. In fact, it was illegal to pour it away - even the old technologies had rules.

    4. Re:"if you've eaten fish you've eaten worms." by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      If you've ever eaten fried crickets or chocolate covered ants you've eaten bugs.

      What is the point of this again?

    5. Re:"if you've eaten fish you've eaten worms." by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      cochineal is very expensive compared to the synthetic versions.

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    6. Re:"if you've eaten fish you've eaten worms." by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      you could use alum.
      piss is a mordant. biting agent. that helps the colourants bite into the wool so that the colour remains after washing.

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    7. Re:"if you've eaten fish you've eaten worms." by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      if you've eaten a Mc Donald's burger you've eaten gherkin. Yuck.

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    8. Re:"if you've eaten fish you've eaten worms." by Whalou · · Score: 1

      "if you've eaten fish you've eaten worms."

      That summary could have used a spoiler alert.

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  16. Waiting for Modernist Cuisine by chennes · · Score: 1

    I'll wait for Nathan Myhrvold's "Modernist Cuisine" - http://modernistcuisine.com/

  17. It's A Cookbook! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The original release under Kanamit Publishing was titled Cooking 4 Geeks: A Four-Course Experience.

    They are just trying to fatten you up.

  18. Actually... by edraven · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most of the geeks I know are also foodies, and a large percentage of them love to cook.

    1. Re:Actually... by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I myself have loved cooking for a long time and in the past few years (with owning a home which has a decent sized kitchen and enough spending money to buy some real tools) I have really upped the variety of recipies and the different techniques I use. I have really started to learn the concepts *BEHIND* the meals, instead of 'Add eggs to milk and flour' which is basically what a cookbook does. In fact, my plan this winter is to design and assemble a smoker due to my BBQ not having enough capacity when I have a gathering and need to cook both ribs/roasts/fish/etc and some quick burgers and hotdogs.

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  19. Not all geeks are created equal by quax · · Score: 1

    When I grew up my mother had a grueling 12 hours work day. So I had to cook myself if I wanted to have something hot on my plate (yes I am so old my early teen years predate the microwave oven). This drown or swim approach to cooking tought me well and ensured I was always able to whip something up for myself.

    Although I am still spending more time on the computer cranking out code than in the kitchen I consider myself something of a foodie now. Bake my own bread, make killer potato pancakes and have pretty much abandoned all precooked frozen food items.

    1. Re:Not all geeks are created equal by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Dear God man, you had to cook yourself? How much of you is left now and how did you taste?

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  20. Obligatory quote... by reydelamirienda · · Score: 2, Funny

    How To Cook For Geeks... How To Cook Forty Geeks... How To Cook For Forty Geeks!

    1. Re:Obligatory quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lame.

  21. If you like this sort of cookbook by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For anyone interested in this sort of book, I'd also recommend Cookwise: The Hows & Whys of Successful Cooking by Shirley O. Corriher. Not nearly as geeky as this book sounds, but it does incorporate a great deal of science into nearly every recipe. And it does it in a way that probably won't scare off non-geeks, either.

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    1. Re:If you like this sort of cookbook by Christopher+Cashell · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Cookwise is a *great* book. And for those looking for a little more "geek cred" for her, Shirly Corriher has guested on half a dozen episodes of Good Eats, particularly earlier ones. Fans of Good Eats will appreciate her book, as will anyone who wants a better understanding about cooking.

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  22. Alton Brown by michael_cain · · Score: 1

    ...has been doing the same things for years. The physics of heat transfer, the chemistry of almost everything cooked, bits of biology and botany, a dash of history, etc.

  23. How to prepare your input by owlstead · · Score: 1

    Nice, a scientificly book on food. On the other hand anyone that is interested in quickly preparing a meal does not have to look further to the (by now very old, but venerable) "How to prepare your input" by no-one else than Andrew S. Tanenbaum (aka Andy for students/friends).

    www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/home/how_to_prep.ps

    Important note: Last time I saw him he still looked healthy to me :)

  24. Art or Science? by rueger · · Score: 1

    Art: Julia Child

    Science: The Joy of Cooking.

    All you need.

    1. Re:Art or Science? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Art: Julia Child [amazon.ca]

      Science: The Joy of Cooking. [amazon.ca]

      Sex: 9 1/2 Weeks

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    2. Re:Art or Science? by rueger · · Score: 1

      Well played dangitman, well played.

  25. Cooking with Microwaves Re:Cooking for Engineers by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

    That's the corollary for this.

    I've often thought someone should write a book with this title, since I almost never use anything but a microwave to make breakfast, lunch, and supper. And yes there is a technique to microwave cooking, so you end up with Food rather than a rubbery (or burnt) hunk of matter,

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  26. How to boil water by natoochtoniket · · Score: 1

    My personal favorite of all the introductory cookbooks I have ever seen is, "How to boil water",
    ( http://www.amazon.com/Boil-Water-Food-Network-Kitchens/dp/0696226863 ). It has labeled pictures of things you might find in a kitchen, so when a recipe says to use a "frying pan", you can go look at the picture and get the right thing out of the cabinet. The first recipe is "coffee". The next chapter is "things you can eat without having to cook them first".

    1. Re:How to boil water by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Sounds like we need to find the people who bought that book and put their parents on trial for neglect.

    2. Re:How to boil water by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      You might laugh, but I had a pal in college who found a couple of freshmen in the dorm kitchen holding a box of spaghetti and looking very confused at the instructions "boil 4 cups of water".

      And for those geeks who've forked off new processes, remember that some basic cooking skills are extremely valuable for the little tykes. Someone who knows how to cook can eat for something like $3 a day, whereas if they can't they'll spend closer to $15 a day. Doesn't sound like a lot, but it's a pretty dramatic difference once you multiply by 365.25 days a year.

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    3. Re:How to boil water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, my parents bought me that book . . . after I graduated from college . . .

    4. Re:How to boil water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a college roommate who ate nothing but cereal for a week before the rest of us showed up. We asked him why he didn't at least make a can of soup or something, and it turned out that he didn't know how to use a can opener. He was the only one in that apartment who went on to do a phd...

    5. Re:How to boil water by xaxa · · Score: 1

      You might laugh, but I had a pal in college who found a couple of freshmen in the dorm kitchen holding a box of spaghetti and looking very confused at the instructions "boil 4 cups of water".

      I had a friend who'd clearly never cooked before. He was trying to fry eggs, but had the pan way too hot and didn't have any oil in it. I think he's a decent cook now.

      More recently, I was camping with a big group of friends. Another guy and I cooked a pretty basic bolognese. There's only so much you can do with a small frying pan and a single propane-butane hob -- we'd been selected as the two best cooks to make something. We made something pretty decent (although we did resort to dumping in a whole pack of dried herbs to mask the taste of the Asda "Smart Price" meat we were given). Two other guys were volunteered to cook 1kg of pasta each. One returned with about 4cm of pasta stuck in the bottom of a pan, and a blob of wiggly-looking starch.

  27. Analysing the cooking process, you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've worked in IT. I've worked in kitchens.

    And I don't get why people need to make them into the same pursuit.

    Here are some things I've learned: you check steaks for doneness, not by shoving thermometers into them ... but by touching them and feeling for firmness.

    You can tell how hot a pan is by watching how oil moves across its surface.

    You can tell how hot a pan is by listening to the patch of food as it sears / sautees / sweats.

    At a certain point, you're just collecting more data while losing out on the visceral, five senses appeal of doing something that can be intensely creative.

    But maybe it's just me.

    1. Re:Analysing the cooking process, you say? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      The only to learn what a medium NY strip feels like it so touch them and use a thermometer to check or ruin a lot of steaks. The rest of those are pretty much the same.

  28. So wait, that's where that came from? by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    You know, since it covered staples like twinkies and deep fried food does that mean this book covers deep fried twinkies?

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  29. From the review by DerekLyons · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "Anyone who is interested in cooking will learn from this book."

    Probably not. I outgrew entry level cookbooks a decade or more ago and purged my cookbook collection of kitsch and crap nearly as long ago.

    I also see, that like most cookbooks, it teaches you to cook by time and temperature - which would be great if food were digital and standardized. But food, like much of the rest of the real world, is analog and variable. Real cooks cook with their senses, resorting to instrument only when the senses aren't up to the job.

    "Although one of the strengths of the book is the systematic organization, there are useful tips spread throughout. For example, keeping a pizza stone permanently in your oven will help even out heat distribution"

    No it doesn't - it minimizes temperature variation. (And actually only does so if the oven is preheated long enough for the stone to fully heat.)

    1. Re:From the review by cowscows · · Score: 1

      Please tell us more about how much smarter you are than the rest of the world.

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    2. Re:From the review by DerekLyons · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'm not smarter than the rest of the world, I'm more knowledgeable than the reviewer and the author. There is a difference.

      When you grow up, you'll realize this.

    3. Re:From the review by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      While time and temperature specifications aren't perfect (nor are they intended to be), I'm having a hard time envisioning a cookbook that omits them and instructs you just to use your senses. No doubt experienced cooks have certain time and temperature categories internalized, but reading them shouldn't lead to different results other than making you a little slower.

    4. Re:From the review by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      While time and temperature specifications aren't perfect (nor are they intended to be)

      They may not be intended to be - but they make no effort to appear that they aren't.
       

      No doubt experienced cooks have certain time and temperature categories internalized, but reading them shouldn't lead to different results other than making you a little slower.

      Oh it certainly can and often will lead to different results - cook two seemingly identical roasts at the same temperature for the same amount of time and it's not at all unusual for one to be underdone while the other is overdone. The cook who knows this, and pays attention to his food and understands the performance of his equipment, will pull them each at the appropriate time. The cook who just slavishly follows the 'rules' and 'procedures' outlined in his cookbooks will pull them at the same time - and be frustrated because he believes he must have made a mistake. After all, he followed the 'rules' and 'procedures'!
       
      Believe me, I've seen this mistake time and again. It's *the* key reason why so many people have such a hard time learning to cook and believe that they cannot cook. Cookbooks work very hard to give the impression that they are authoritative and that if you follow their recipes, you are guaranteed success - when nothing could be further from the truth.

    5. Re:From the review by xaxa · · Score: 1

      The best recipe finishes with something like "Cook at 180C. Check the cake after 40 minutes, it's ready once a clean skewer inserted into the middle comes out dry. If it comes out sticky, cook for a further 5-10 minutes." (Time may be wrong, it's ages since I baked a cake.)

      Or maybe even "if the cake has sunk in the middle it has been cooked too fast -- too many gas bubbles were made before the batter was cooked enough to support the weight of the cake".

      (But I could have told you the first of these when I was about 6, and the other when I was about 10, from "helping" my mum.)

  30. Very true, he taught me to cook salmon by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    Then again it now seems kind of simple that it's amazing I ever thought it was difficult. (IE thaw, brush oil/butter on both sides, sprinkle both sides with kosher salt and pepper, use pan with either some butter or oil and cook each side for 2 minutes.)

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  31. Great book by plik · · Score: 1

    I met this guy at HOPE, and he was actually really interesting. I wish he would up some demos of some of his recipes online. He can make jello shots that you can nail to a wall!! What?!?! The book is actually quite interesting.

  32. The human prestomach by TheLink · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most humans have evolved to have a large section of their digestive systems outside their body.

    That section is sometimes called a kitchen.

    And this prestomach is why we don't need as huge teeth, jaws or gizzards (plus grit) to eat certain foods, compared to other animals who don't have a prestomach. It also allows us to eat (and live on) a wider variety of foods than we would otherwise - the prestomach can help reduce toxicity, increase palatibility and nutrient uptake.

    Because this prestomach is not attached to our body we are more mobile in some ways, and less mobile in other ways.

    A human without a prestomach is a bit like a cow with one less stomach. The cow might still survive, but it is less likely to thrive (unless it has access to a special diet).

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  33. Unbalanced diet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A geek's four basic food groups:
        * Mountain Dew
        * Twinkies
        * Pizza
        * Beer

    I guess I have an unbalanced diet for a geek then; since I don't drink beer...

    1. Re:Unbalanced diet by RCGodward · · Score: 1

      Whiskey will work in a pinch.

  34. But whatever you do... do NOT, EVER... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you've eaten Worcestershire sauce then you've eaten fermented anchovies.

    Do not, under any circumstances, ever, use Worcestershire sauce as embalming fluid.

  35. New Food Sites for Food Geeks by Qui-Gonn+Jew · · Score: 1

    Currently there are a whole bunch of food web sites that are doing things like flavor matching, or other advanced food related search. I have been playing around with Yummly (www.yummly.com) and found that "taste" bars are interesting to play with if you want something like a briskit recipe on the sweeter side (http://www.yummly.com/recipes/#q=brisket&flavor.sweet.min=4&flavor.sweet.max=6).

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  36. e-reader edition by bareman · · Score: 1

    Is there an e-edition? I'm not able to find it on Amazon.

    And "Cooking for Geeks" should have an e-edition if any cookbook should.

  37. Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by spun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Any geek who aspires to cook good food would do well to read the magazine, Cook's Illustrated and watch the PBS series America's Test Kitchen, that puts out the magazine. This is a nonprofit foundation, the magazine has no ads, like Consumer Reports. They perform scientific experiments on recipes. In a typical article, they will find a classic recipe, analyze the many variations, and explain what commonly goes wrong. They will then attempt to correct the flaws, turning to their food scientists for explanations of things like the Maillard reaction and why adding veal makes a meatloaf jucier (it's the gelatin in veal forming a matrix that keeps water from escaping.) They also perform unbiased reviews of equipment that will let you know, for instance, which cheap nonstick skillet outperforms all the expensive ones.

    I've found the scientific approach helpful in my own cooking, not just when recreating the recipes given. Once you know how the Maillard reaction works, for instance, you know why searing meat first and then finishing is not as good as starting at a low temperature and finishing at a high one. Once you understand why Brassicas respond well to a high, dry heat you will never boil brussel sprouts or cauliflower again.

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    1. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wish I hadn't commented, but MOD PARENT UP.

      Cook's Illustrated is not cheap, but is amazing. Parent is dead on with everything.
      http://www.cooksillustrated.com/

    2. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Any geek who aspires to cook good food would do well to read the magazine, Cook's Illustrated and watch the PBS series America's Test Kitchen, that puts out the magazine. "

      I really like to watch ATK on PBS...but I find their food quite often to be VERY under seasoned. I'm guessing it is because they are all pretty much from the NE of the US. I've had friends from up there, that when they cook...if they used anything besides salt and pepper, I sure couldn't sense it.

      But aside from that point...they are quite good, and I like how much they experiment with equipment and cooking methods.

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    3. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by spun · · Score: 1

      I've found that to be true about America's Test Kitchen, but Cook's Illustrated has recipes that tend to be more flavorful.

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    4. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      "The browning reactions that occur when meat is roasted or seared have often been referred to as Maillard reaction browning. However, lean meat contains very few, if any, reducing sugars. Furthermore, red meat undergoes more extensive browning than does white meat. The browning reactions in lean meat are most likely due to the breakdown of the tetrapyrrole rings of the muscle protein myoglobin. Thus, the browning of meat is technically not a Maillard browning since it does not involve the reaction with a reducing sugar." source

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    5. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by spun · · Score: 1

      While this is true, many meat preparations use carbohydrates in the coating, and these do permit the Maillard reaction to take place, jump starting the browning of meat.

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    6. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "I've found that to be true about America's Test Kitchen, but Cook's Illustrated has recipes that tend to be more flavorful."

      Interesting...I'll give the magazine a look...thanks for the tip!

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    7. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      While this is true, many meat preparations use carbohydrates in the coating, and these do permit the Maillard reaction to take place, jump starting the browning of meat.

      You can't really "jump start" the browning of the meat without extracting water from it, as both the Maillard reaction and the browning of meat don't start occurring until the water is removed.

      But using a preparation over the meat that would really allow a Maillard reaction (say, like coating it in flour) doesn't make the meat brown any sooner...

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    8. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by spun · · Score: 1

      No problem! If, on the other hand, you enjoy bland but good food, they have another magazine, Cook's Country which has more traditional bland American food. I was in a relationship with a woman who liked only bland food, so such people do exist. It was for me, as a cook, a little slice of hell, but she made up for it in other respects.

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    9. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by spun · · Score: 1

      Removing the moisture from the meat is the reason to start low and end high. Also, I believe flour absorbs water from the meat and releases it more quickly, helping the meat dry out and brown more quickly. Anyway, that's why I think we flour and brown meat destined for the stew pot or slow cooker. I don't really want to get into a big argument over it, you are correct that meat browning isn't really the Maillard reaction but it is a browning reaction and the technical points related to cooking technique are the same, as you mention, food must be dry before any browning can take place because it can not get hot enough until the water is gone.

      But you know, if you really feel like a competition, we could face off with souffles at dawn. Have at thee!

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    10. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      Also, I believe flour absorbs water from the meat and releases it more quickly, helping the meat dry out and brown more quickly.

      I'd have to say that this is unknown to me. As such, I shall refuse to opine until there exists empirical evidence either way... ;)

      Anyway, that's why I think we flour and brown meat destined for the stew pot or slow cooker.

      My understanding here is that it's difficult to remove the water to get a good browning on the meat once it is in the stew, or braising.

      Alternatively, when pan roasting a meat, you're browning it first so that it looks good, then you're actually cooking it in the oven. But there really isn't much reason why one cannot do it the other way around... although empirically, they've found that cooking it first, then searing/browning it after yields more moisture in the meat.

      I also suspect the flouring of the meat destined for stew is to make a small amount of roux for the stew... plus, Maillard reactions are tasty.

      I don't really want to get into a big argument over it, you are correct that meat browning isn't really the Maillard reaction

      I will acknowledge that it's usually significantly more simple to lump many of the same reactions that are the same in technique to make things more simple. Perhaps it would be nicer if we had a term that would describe all three of: Maillard reaction, meat browning, and carmelization... something that starts of with its definition: "none of these techniques are chemically related, they just happen under the same circumstances, and produce similar results."

      But you know, if you really feel like a competition, we could face off with souffles at dawn. Have at thee!

      Dear me, I've yet to actually make a soufflé yet. But I've made mousse, and apparently a soufflé is a cooked mousse, so I might not lose entirely...

      Very well, soufflés at dawn... TO THE DEATH!

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    11. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by pspahn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The moment I saw TFA, my response was, "yeah, but is it better than Cook's Illustrated?"

      I got a subscription from my girlfriend's mom a couple years ago after I told her how cool it was while staying at their house. My step-mom also bought me their book for Christmas.

      Last Thanksgiving, my girlfriend and I were going to my family's for dinner. We decided to bake pies and used recipes from CI. The two of us, who have never baked a pie from scratch before, turned out the most delicious pies at the dinner, beating out several career homemakers in the process (who are certainly some of the best cooks I know). The secret? Vodka in the crust. It's a very small amount and burns off in the oven, but it's wet so it holds the crust together, but dries it out during baking so that it's nice and flaky and nomnomnom.

      Their method for pork schnitzels is also fantastic.

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    12. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      I'd also like to recommend, America's Test Kitchen. They're a bit less technical than Good Eats in food science, but much more concerned about practicality and simplicity. I recall a recent episode of Good Eats where the guy's solution to not having an Indian tandoori oven was to actually make one by cutting the bottom of a clay pot and slowly putting coals in it for several hours. Not that there's anything wrong with fussy cooking, plus it's entertaining to watch, but practical? Not really.

    13. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "No problem! If, on the other hand, you enjoy bland but good food, they have another magazine, Cook's Country which has more traditional bland American food. "

      Be careful...with the terms traditional American food...and the world bland.

      Depends on the part of the country you come from. Certainly not in the south...and not in many parts out west.

      :)

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    14. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      At the risk of being a nitpicky, you forgot to mention that alcohol won't develop gluten which is a big problem with pie dough, and why traditional pie dough is dry and hard to work with.

    15. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by Convector · · Score: 1

      You'd be shirking your geek obligation if you _weren't_ nitpicky.

    16. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by spun · · Score: 1

      Well I've made all of two souffles in my life, a chocolate one and a cheese one and neither fell down, so this should be a shoe in, haha!

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    17. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      Well I've made all of two souffles in my life, a chocolate one and a cheese one and neither fell down, so this should be a shoe in, haha!

      Wikipedia says that they're actually much more sturdy than people think, but just by cooling down, most of them will sink.

      Oh sorry, I'm being a pedantic bitch again... sorry.

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    18. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by spun · · Score: 1

      They really are more sturdy than most assume and not nearly as difficult to make as most people think. Pedantic Bitch? Is that what misogynistic mommies boys are calling smart, opinionated women nowadays? I just can't keep up with teenage slang...

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    19. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      They really are more sturdy than most assume and not nearly as difficult to make as most people think.

      I can kind of see where some of the difficulty come in... I had to try 5 times before I made a mousse that wasn't just an egg and cream liquid. And then the very next try after the success, my egg whites fell while I was whipping the cream.

      Pedantic Bitch? Is that what misogynistic mommies boys are calling smart, opinionated women nowadays? I just can't keep up with teenage slang...

      Oh no... it's what pedantic bitches are calling themselves, because they're pedantic about terms.

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    20. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by spun · · Score: 1

      Deceiver! I called some of my female coworkers that and now I'm in real trouble. "No! No! We're taking the word back from the bigots! I'm on your side! Not the HR sensitivity training films! Anything but that! I'll be good, I promise!"

      Sheesh.

      What, I can't say sheesh either because its insulting to Christians with a lisp? Damn you HR Naz... I can't say that either? Brother. What?!? How was I to know the typewriter rep was here today and would take that as an insult?

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    21. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by snowgirl · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I said, "calling themselves"... I didn't recommend you boys saying it!

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    22. Re:Cook's Illustrated, America's Test Kitchen by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      But you know, if you really feel like a competition, we could face off with souffles at dawn. Have at thee!

      Humorously of note: MasterChef's most recent Pressure Cooker test was a duel of Soufflés.

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  38. Probably too geeky for me by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    I like to feel my way when cooking and use my senses and instincts. It usually works out well. But a year ago I had to switch from gas to electric. What a pain in the arse. Gas is so adjustable and subtle compared to electric. Even after all of this time, cooking every day I find electric an impediment to the way I have been cooking for years. Maybe in a year or two it will seem natural to me. I do not own or need a microwave but if I had one I would probably put it to use for some basic re-heating or very simple cooking.

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    1. Re:Probably too geeky for me by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Electric stoves suck, it does not get better with time. You just learn to live with the suck.

      I have been dealing with one for 4 years and am strongly considering having a gas stove put in my apartment at my cost.

    2. Re:Probably too geeky for me by WarwickRyan · · Score: 1

      If you can, then switch to induction. It's the closest thing you'll get to cooking on gas... and to be honest, if I had a new kitchen installed tomorrow I'd take it over gas. It's safer, cooks just as well and is real easy to clean. Heats up very quickly too.

    3. Re:Probably too geeky for me by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that limit you to pans that work with induction cooking?

      Seems like it would also have the slow temp change that electric suffers from.

    4. Re:Probably too geeky for me by WarwickRyan · · Score: 1

      Yup, you can only use certain pans... but from what I've seen, compatible pans are usually the nice ones :) I've got gas, and all my good pans work on induction.

      Temp changed seemed as immediate as with gas to me, though heating seemed faster. It feels as if the heat is applied evenly, which results in, say, the water boiling all over the pan at the same time. Not around the edges first as it does with gas.

    5. Re:Probably too geeky for me by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      But with gas you can also see and hear what it is doing. Electricity is eerily silent! Sadly current poverty will not allow me to upgrade from the crappy electric cooker I must use.

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  39. Cooking for Geeks? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    How about just following the recipe?

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  40. Real programmers ..... by Marrow · · Score: 1

    Eat Twinkies, Coke and palate-scorching Szechwan food.
    So are THOSE recipes in there? I think not!

    Note: Honestly, I think we have moved on to Thai and Indian but that may just be regional.

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  41. Yep. by LateArthurDent · · Score: 1

    Is there an e-edition? I'm not able to find it on Amazon.

    And "Cooking for Geeks" should have an e-edition if any cookbook should.

    Not only is there an e-edition, but in true geek fashion, it is DRM-free. You can order it here

  42. Boolean Stoves by infinite9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When my wife and I first got married, she was an awful cook. I mean, it was really bad, like she was trying to kill me and collect the life insurance. So one night, I analyzed her cooking technique. I discovered that for her, the stove was a boolean device. That is, it was either on (10) or off (0). All those numbers in between 0 and 10 were there for decoration. Luckily my wife was really smart, getting As in organic chemistry for example. So i started speaking a different language.

    Cooking is all about heat transfer. Heat will conduct from the outside of food to the inside of food (microwaves aside) at the same rate, depending on the substance. If you turn the heat up, it won't simply cook faster. The outside will burn before enough heat has transferred to the inside. This was enough for her to have an epiphany, suddenly realizing what all those numbers between 0 and 10 were for.

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    1. Re:Boolean Stoves by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      This is the biggest breakthrough I made in college when I started cooking foods on my own.

      Same with ovens. 1 hour @ 200F is NOT 30 minutes at 400 F.

      That and slow cookers. It's such a low heat over a long amount of time +-4 hours and your food isn't that much different.

    2. Re:Boolean Stoves by mcvos · · Score: 1

      While teaching someone else to cook is great of course, wouldn't the obvious solution in your case have been to make you the cook of the household?

    3. Re:Boolean Stoves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, you people are stupid!

  43. Ebook available directly from O'Reilly by marnerd · · Score: 1

    Following the affiliate link in the review will take you to Amazon. They don't provide a Kindle version. But if you go to O'Reilly's site you can get it in various DRM-free formats for your reader of choice. And yeah, I would prefer the paper version of a cookbook too. I just found it ironic that the only way to get a version for your Kindle was to NOT go to Amazon.

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  44. Sounds promising, but... by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    Even simple cooking (spaghetti, pancakes, burgers, et cetera) can save you so much trouble, but I've already figured *that* out
    I don't see the need for fancy cooking much like I don't see the need for fancy clothes or something like that.
    Nevertheless, the alternative approach described may still interest me.

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  45. mod up informative by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

    I was going to go into that -- NPR Science Friday had a segment on this issue about a year ago.

    "So long that we've physically adapted to it" is a pretty good indication that humans have been cooking their food for a very long time indeed.

  46. sous vide != water bath by 8282now · · Score: 1

    To properly assert one's "geek"ness and intellectual understanding of the subject matter, you must get the definitions right!

    "sous vide - cooking food in a temperature-controlled water bath"

    Sous-vide is NOT cooking in a water bath but rather cooking in a vacuum enclosed containter often immersed in a water bath.

    A bain marie on the other hand, is specifically a method of cooking in a water bath. Often for the preparation of whole poached fish or other foods. :| Far too much time spent watching Alton....

    1. Re:sous vide != water bath by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      All the funnier to those language geeks who understand a bit of French. "Sous-vide" = "under vacuum"

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  47. Cooking as "Manly' by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I was growing up, cooking was "womens' work" -- no self-respecting "man" would cook, certainly not when there was a woman around. Barbequing was not considered "cooking". Professional chefs (generally men) were appreciated for their output, but rarely seen performing their craft and therefore not subject to effeminate ridicule over it.

    I cook. I like to cook... mostly because I like to eat and I'll be damned if the lack of a woman to cook for me means I'm condemned to starve or be at the mercy of what fast food I can afford to buy, But, still the questionable "manliness" (or not?) of cooking haunts me to this day, particularly if I produce something "dainty", like a desert. I therefore consider what kind of cooking might be worthy of the "manly" label, and have come up with the following:

    1. Crude cooking. You know, barbecuing: meat, raw heat and flame, and an estimate of when it's done.

    2. Extreme cooking. Searing a steak on a surface (cast iron pan at red heat), to the point where a drop of rendered fat will flare up. That super spicy chile, or curry.

    3. Difficult cooking. A paper-thin omelet rolled around yummy ingredients is damn difficult to pull off. This ain't your moma's "set the eggs, shove on plate, fill, and flip one half over" omelet. Bonus points for flipping the omelet to evenly cook the other side. Practice with flapjacks.

    4. Sauces. Hollandaise, Bearnaise, etc. Anything with eggs or butter that mustn't curdle. This is a subset of (4), above. The trouble is, to get it right, you have to coddle the food, and that looks, well, wimpy. It just has to taste soooo good, that people will forgive the wimpy coddling.

    5. Expensive. If it has saffron, truffles, or even vanilla, where a screwup will cost much money. It's the financial risk that makes it manly,

    6. Alcohol. And flame. I'm not talking about cooking with wine. That's soooo metrosexual. I'm talking cooking with booze and setting things on fire.

    7. Deserts. This is tricky. The idea is to come off as the one person who can provide what everyone wants at the end of a meal by giving the impression he pulled off the impossible to make it. Think creme brulee, not "Dunkin Hines". Caramelize the sugar with a damn blow-torch, not a wimpy culinary one that the "girls" use.

    8. Physical Effort. So, you wanna make a meringue. Better beat the sh*t out of those egg whites by hand and work up a sweat.

    9. Improvisation. Related to (7). Oh no! You are out of butter! No problem, shove a cup of heavy cream in the mixer, whip till it breaks, and strain off the buttermilk. This only works if you can pull off that you averted a major crises with quick thinking.

    10. Multitasking. Making more dishes at once to all be ready at the same time than seems possible. Last second special requests while the food is being prepared fall into this category as well.

    That actually covers a lot of culinary territory, but do note that baking and simple pasta dishes just don't cut it.

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    1. Re:Cooking as "Manly' by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, and on the "quiche" thing: Quiche is not food!.

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    2. Re:Cooking as "Manly' by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      Barbequing was not considered "cooking".

      This seems to be fairly widespread. I've known a Russian who wouldn't lift a finger in the house - he had a wife and a daughter, so why should he have to do anything? - but would cheerfully barbeque shish kebabs. Where I live, in Spain, cooking paella (which should be done over a wood fire) is man's work, even if the man needs his wife to prompt him. I wonder whether there are any industrialised cultures where outdoor cooking over wood or charcoal isn't considered a masculine activity.

    3. Re:Cooking as "Manly' by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1

      Well, as long as there was work to do which required greater physical strength of the average man as opposed to the average woman it made sense for men to do it, leaving women to do everything else.

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    4. Re:Cooking as "Manly' by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you are not very confident in your sexuality. Spend a lot of time in airport bathrooms?

    5. Re:Cooking as "Manly' by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1

      I have chosen a celibate life, but not because of any lack of confidence. I see no reason to partake in an activity that runs the risk, even with sterilization, of producing offspring I don't desire.

      As for the post, it was intended as a joke.

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    6. Re:Cooking as "Manly' by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      That actually covers a lot of culinary territory, but do note that baking and simple pasta dishes just don't cut it.

      You can do a macaroni and cheese that doesn't violate your sense of manliness while still being elevated above mere bachelor chow by making a béchamel sauce with a fancy imported cheese. Hit's exemptions 4 and 5 on your list, and for bonus points you can tell a manly story about the culture associated with the cheese. Use Russian sulguni cheese, and you can tell a story about the Russian stripper with the crazy ex boyfriend that you had to beat up, or whatever. Use a French cheese and tell about the world savate champion you used to hang out with, and the time the two of you were in a bar fight against a bunch of bad dudes, etc. If you wear an eye patch for dinner, you can claim that the story related to the cheese has something to do with when your eye was plucked out. It also works if you don't bother to wear an eye patch.

    7. Re:Cooking as "Manly' by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1

      Only if you made the macaroni from scratch. Hits 3 and 9.

      See, it not only has to be fancy and difficult, it has to sound fancy and difficult. "Mac & Cheese" doesn't. But, "Hand-crafted Pasta with Rare Cheese and bechamel" does.

      It would roll off the tongue better in French, but French is too gay a language unless you can also pull off snootiness at Maitre d' levels. About the only exception if if you are planning a romantic dinner: it exhibits your "sensitive" side. Of course, if you go so far as to "do Italian", the only way to counter the general gayness is if the dish involves raw beef (carpaccio), or seafood you killed yourself (live lobster).

      Simple fare that is manly is anything with beef, or better, wild game: consider "Steak and Eggs". That's "man food". (It's also an excuse to have a beer with breakfast without looking like a complete lush, but I digress.)

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    8. Re:Cooking as "Manly' by moonbender · · Score: 1

      You know, there are plenty of... activities... that don't incur that risk.

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    9. Re:Cooking as "Manly' by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1

      Yes, but one thing leads to another, and it's easiest to avoid the whole mess.

      Once one has kids, and the whole "reproduction imperative" has been gotten out of the way, the benefits just don't warrant the risks. I don't want to pay child support for 18-21 years if there's an "accident" (I already *have* kids to support), don't really support the idea of abortion, and know that a contract to abort in the event of contraceptive failure is unenforceable at law (as being against "public interest"). Further, one can be deemed a "legal father" if there's any hint you might have had any contact with a child, even if subsequent DNA testing proves otherwise. Vasectomy failure odds are anywhere from 1/300 to 1/2000, they can spontaneously reverse at any time, and can have nasty post-op consequences.

      Women can avoid becoming parents if contraception fails, but men can't.

      In such a legal climate, it makes no sense for a man to be sexually active if he is not willing to raise or at least financially support a child.

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    10. Re:Cooking as "Manly' by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Of course, if you go so far as to "do Italian", the only way to counter the general gayness is if the dish involves raw beef (carpaccio),

      Good gods man, what are you doing? Don't call it carpaccio! Raw beef sounds far more masculine.

  48. Simplicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No matter how many gadgets exist in the kitchen I have always found that the answer is the basic equipment, good knives, good pans and very few other "bits".

    Who actually needs an electrical juicer? I used to have one and spent half of my life cleaning the thing, a simple juicer uses some effort in pushing and twisting and a fraction of the time cleaning. Electric whisk, OK nice but DIY burns some of the calories in the whipped cream before you eat it.

  49. Food geek here by pnuema · · Score: 1

    And cooking is the geekiest of hobbies, if you do it right. My wife and I collect tools. The geekiest? An immersion circulator. This device maintains a water bath at a precise temperature (+/- .1 Celsius). You vacuum seal your food, and cook it in this water bath. It's fascinating, because you have such precise control of temperature. For example: food safety standards were developed to be idiot proof. You cook pork to 160 F because nothing will survive 160 for more than a second or two. However, you can achieve the same effect by taking food to 130 F and leaving it there for two hours. It will still kill everything, and it is still safe to eat, but you haven't affected the proteins in the same way. If you have never had truly medium rare pork, you are really missing out. Plus, it has the added bonus of being impossible to overcook something. Your food will be 130 F now, and hour from now, 10 hours from now. I played with cooking eggs at different temperatures - you get creamy whites, and liquid yolks, then bump the temp two degrees, and the yolks go solid. Much fun.
    We also invested in a propane wok burner. Commercial ranges don't put out the BTUs you need to do real Chinese cooking, and this thing is 10 times as powerful as our stove. We also have a Zoku Quick Pop - a device that makes popsicles in 10 minutes, on your kitchen table. Why is that important? Because the faster you freeze something, the smaller the ice crystal, and the smoother the texture. This is why those Dipping Dots ice creams are so creamy.
    I could go on for a while - I am a geek after all. :)

    1. Re:Food geek here by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Propane wok burner? Hmm, I guess I need a bigger kitchen.

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  50. recipes =~ waterfall code development by drdrgivemethenews · · Score: 1

    Great cooking, like great coding, involves intuition; there's more to it than specs and training.

    As in programming, slavishly following a recipe, down to scraping the extra salt off the teaspoon measure, will get you acceptable results. It will only rarely give you spectacular results.

    Great cooking involves (1) using the best ingredients, which may mean paying more for them, (2) understanding how the ingredients each cook, how they cook together, and how the flavors combine, and (3) having a reasonable idea of what you want the outcome to be. A recipe can help with this. But if it could substitute for it, then food out of a can would be as great as the real thing. But canned food is like the product of waterfall development, which regards coding as a clerical skill. It may get the job done, but it doesn't inspire.

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  51. Don't see this site mentioned by gringer · · Score: 1

    Cooking for engineers has quite nicely displayed recipes, and there's a post about classifying baking in terms of wet/dry, butter, and egg content here.

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  52. Nutrition for geeks by Dr. Fuhrman... by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1
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  53. How much of you is left now? by quax · · Score: 1

    More than if I had to microwave myself. It's been a long steady pressure cooking and now at times I actually feel quite tender.

    As with regards to taste, my wife assures me I always had exceptional taste.

  54. Re:Cooking with Microwaves Re:Cooking for Engineer by moonbender · · Score: 1

    Eugh. I hope you're joking.

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  55. 400 pages??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to instruct a geek how to heat-up a Hot Pocket? there'd better be 399 pages on building a fusion-powered microwave out of a rusted-out ford pinto in there.

  56. Real food geeks by ermintru · · Score: 1

    For real food geeks the bible is http://www.amazon.co.uk/McGee-Food-Cooking-Encyclopedia-Kitchen/dp/0340831499/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283989944&sr=8-1 And they will have their eye on htttp://modernistcuisine.com/

  57. The same book pictured on ebay? by dov_0 · · Score: 1

    Here's a link to this book on eBay - check out the tear on the front cover in the picture and the number of copies for sale - also the very high price. Slashdot as advertising?

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  58. Why the Geeks != Chefs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a computer geek. Been so since I got my first C64 ,learned C64 basic on it. I know know more programming languages then I can remember to list. Despite that I'm a chef by profession ,and told by many that I'm a damn good one... so why the Geeks != Chefs bias?

  59. Re:Cooking with Microwaves Re:Cooking for Engineer by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    Did you even google it? Here's the book I found on one of the first result pages.. There were some other interesting-sounding pages about microwave cooking too.
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0882894560

    I have no idea if it's a good book, didn't even read the Amazon reviews.

  60. McGee, On Food and Cooking by bcrowell · · Score: 1

    IMO the ultimate geek book on this topic is On Food and Cooking: The Science and Lore of the Kitchen, by McGee.

  61. Geeks cook their food? by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

    Geeks are the guys in the circus sideshow who bite heads off chickens:

    geek
    S: (n) geek (a carnival performer who does disgusting acts)
    S: (n) eccentric, eccentric person, flake, oddball, geek (a person with an unusual or odd personality)

    If it's a live chicken, what do you need cooking for?

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  62. Re:Cooking with Microwaves Re:Cooking for Engineer by YoshiDan · · Score: 0

    Microwaves suck. I just recently bought a combination microwave/convection oven and it's much better than a microwave (although not as fast) and still faster than using the regular gas oven and gets pretty similar results.

  63. That's almost a fork bomb ("fork dud"?) by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

    fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork();

    Jeez, that's 8192 processes (2^13). Are you specializing in parallel cooking algorithms? Do you have a (highly) multicore stove?

  64. Jubilee's Gargantuan Pancakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't geeks learn to cook from comics?

  65. Like Yoda, by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

    you speak.

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  66. Best student of mine by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    he was.

  67. Mass, or Weight by billstewart · · Score: 1

    You're probably measuring weight, not mass :-) But still, you really measure liquids by weight, not volume? Weird.

    And yes, most illegal drugs over here are sold by weight, not volume (except LSD, which is usually blotter paper, and nobody's really sure how big a dose they're selling.) Cannabis is usually sold retail in ounces (1/8 or multiples), as are mushrooms, but wholesale is kilos, and the other drugs are generally in grams.

    Most dry cooking spices are sold by weight, but used by volume.

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    1. Re:Mass, or Weight by xaxa · · Score: 1

      When measuring dry ingredients with a digital scale I'll put the mixing bowl on the scale, hit "Tare" (sets it to 0g), then add the flour, hit "Tare", add the sugar, "Tare", etc. If I need to add a liquid ingredient there's no reason not to weigh it in the same way.
      Since it saves dirtying a measuring jug I'll often weigh liquids even if I'm not using a mixing bowl.

      Spices are usually given by volume here too, e.g. "1 tsp" (=5mL) or "1 tbsp" (=15mL).

  68. Butter by weight vs. volume in the US by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Butter is sold by weight here in the US, normally in 1-pound packages which contain four 1/4-pound sticks, which are 1/2 cup by volume.

    In the East, the sticks are usually long and thin, while in the West they're short and fat, so the shapes of the 1-pound packages are different...

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