You must be old here. The current fashion in slashdot is that not even editors RTFA. We are currently working on SNRTFA, that is, Submitters Not Reading the Fucking Article, maybe next year...
Not everything is about money. There are many news sites that are independent, not-for-profit, not managed by corporations, that has well educated editors, that posts quality, original, interesting, never duplicated content, like, for example, this slash.... oh... nevermind.
Actually, it was a rhetoric question, if you just point out that it's just another propietary format created by microsoft in order to make other operating systems incompatible, and so: a) force upgrades, b) spread FUD about Free Software interoperability, i would just be moded as flamebait, and noone would take my point.
Insted, with such a question, you make other poeple think, letting them take their own conclussion.
I think that the most important Question here is... is microsoft going to provide an specification for the fs?, and, in case they do, will it be licensed in a GPL-compatible way?
Ok, let's just drop the deadrat discussion where it is...
About Proprietary Vs. Propietary, i know it's written Proprietary, but my native language is Spanish, and in Spanish it's "Propietario", without the "r", and, yes, it's a word that i use a lot, sadly, and so i usually write it in english the way it's written in spanish... it's just stronger than me:)
This has gone out of proportion. You are just flaming me without any reasoning, if you want to further discuse this, please post giving you name, under your user, like I do. it's a disrespect to talk to someone without telling who you are.
Post under your user, or give a mail or some way to contact you, so we can further discusse this topic in a more proper place, i want reply or read anymore AC posts.
I Wanted to point out that a system can't be named after it's kernel. The actual bootimage name in the filesystem doesn't really matter, you can name it anything you want as long as you specify it in the configuration of your bootmanager.
I, personally, keep my kernel images in the/boot directory, named by it's version (that is, the reported by the kernel, the output of uname -r). In my case, right now, it's 2.6.11-ALMAFUERTE.
Please think before posting, that woudl help slashdot a lot.
You are the one flaming and trolling me, i stated my opinion clearly and respectfully, you, instead, are insulting me.
Red Hat tries to make it as hard as possible for people to get their distro without paying, for example, in their website, there is no download section, yes, you can get the sources, but they don't clearly say so in their webpage, that is misleading, and also is this>
Free 30-day Evaluation Subscription to Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4
They are not absolutely propietary because the GPL forbids them for being so, but they try to trick people into thinking that Red Hat is actually a propietary, independant Operating System, It's not bad to Sell Free Software, but it's bad to mislead people into thinking that Free Software is actually propietary. This helps microsoft and their 'get the facts' shit...
I'm talking about the fact that what redhat does is ethically wrong, not about the GPL forbiding it, so please don't mention it again.
Is more harmful than, say, Microsoft. Microsoft creates propietary software, they develop it, they sell it, and you have the choice to use it or not. Red Hat, Also sells propietary software, but they don't develop it. Microsoft is against Free Software, and it fights against us, using it's own weapons. Red Hat, fights against Free Software (developing propietary apps and selling them IS fighting Free Software, and also, they make bad publicity for GNU, since they bash most distributions in favor of their own, they spread FUD about Free Software having no support, etc, very similar to microsoft in that sense). The difference, is that microsoft has their own bussines, at least. We compete. But redhat, doesn't develop anything, they stole the GNU project, and they put it under a different name. That's it. They also use our name (Free Software and Open Source Software) as a selling point. So, they compete with Free Software, while they are actually selling Free Software!. I Think that is unmoral, and worse than what microsoft and others does (because they are actually stealing OUR work, and using OUR name and fame)
rms doesn't insist in calling the system GNU because he want to be recognised (although that would be nice too...). If you say just Linux, you are refering to the goals of the open source movement, which are technicall goals, and, ethically, doesn't really say anything. Free Software is a quest for Freedom. That's why it's important to call the system GNU or GNU/Linux if you want, you are stating that you use a FREE system, that is, that you use software that don't holds their users hostages. If you say "Linux", you are, 1st) stating that you use the system just because it's technically better, and you wouldn't mind if it were propietary or not. 2nd) Because you mislead people by calling the OS by it's kernel name. Do you call ms-dos io.sys?, do you call windows kernel32.dll?, do you call unices vmunix?, then, it doesn't make sense to call Linux what is called GNU.
It's not my intention to flame anyone, but many "Open Source" advocates and other users of Free Software really owe a lot to the GNU project, that is, RMS, the FSF, and all the people that has contributed to it over the years.
Don't just flame me or mod me down, please read the history of Free Software (Dont look for OS, look for FS), and you will really understand what i'm talking about.
If it weren't for GNU, we woudln't have Linux (Don't confuse GNU and Linux, Linux is just the kernel), OO, KDE, etc,etc. All this projects that doesn't want to be part of GNU, really owe their own existence to the GNU project.
The fight for freedom is not over, we really should just forget little differences and old hates, and work together. And the way to do it has been and will allways be GNU.
GNU is the name of the Project, GNU is the name that should be used to refer to Free Software under the GPL. If you don't agree, just read the GPL and find out.
When you get addict to a webcomic (and i'm addict to a few...) It really bothers you when you don't get your daily comic... UF does a pretty good job, it's updated daily, but quality varies, Down to Earth is amazing (in quality), but updated in a ver irregular way. It would be gould to see DTE in the contest, daily dte updates would just rock.
You use it to get GNU/Linux distros and "legal content". It's ok, you have the right to do so. Other use it to get other content too, like music, books, movies, and it's also ok, because it's THEIR RIGHT to do so. The fact that this corrupt system tries to deny their legitim right to access information and art, doesn't make it a bad thing.
I would like to agree with you, but experience tell me that what you tell me just won't work (sadly). Take/. into account. 99% of/. readers know GNU/Linux and most of them have tried it at least once. Also, a big % uses GNU/Linux (It would be interesting to see the apache's access logs...).
But, regardless of that, most of them still call it "Linux", and most of them don't care about Freedom, and most of them still uses propietary software.
When you say Americans, you actually means USA Citizens, Argentina is also in America, you know?
And the answer is pretty simple, the USA citizens think that USA = Freedom and all that stuff that they listen to in the CNN, but actually the USA is far, far away from being a Free Country. Let's compare it to what happends on/.: You are Free to say whatever you want on slashdot, there is freedom of speech here, unleast, off course, you go against the/. groupthink, in that case, you will get flamed and moded down, you will loose your karma, and it will be hard to recover. The same happends in the USA... You are Free, if you are "American", that is, if you agree with all of our policys, if you do something that we don't like, then you are "unamerican", and in that case, you are doomed.
They have the greatest difficulty understanding Freedm because they are not used to really be free, they are "free" for as long as they don't think something that is "agains america". That's not really freedom.
They tend to think that Freedom is supeditated to comfort. Freedom is good, but comfort is better. That's how the government buys the people. They are not really free, but they get comfort in exchange.
In the case of Software, they trade Freedom for technicall advantages, and that is a reproduction of the freedom for comfort trade that they do with their government.
That depends on your goals, i don't want more people joining the GNU userbase, i want more poeple understanding what Free Software is, and then, using GNU. If you just want many users, then having more users is a success. If you want more people understanding why Free Software exists, agreeing with it, helping with it, and using it, calling it Linux won't help, because you are killing the whole meaning of Free Software, and replacing it with marketing.
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What do you mean with that??
You are saying that Debian is not GNU??? Oh, off course!, that's why it's called Debian GNU/Linux!!
Debian is an example of a distribution of GNU.
Linux reffers to the KERNEL of the system. This conference is actually about Free Software and the Free Operating System that uses Linux as it's kernel. The name of that system is GNU, duh!.
I didn't felt bad about your comment, or anything related to it. Actually, i agree with it. Gnome and KDE try to simulate windows and i don't like it, but your comment was just flamebait, because of the way it was written, it's objective was just to try to prove that m$ innovates, and free software copies. So i replied to you pointing that in this subject, the actual concept of having a theme with rounded buttons is not an m$ idea, it comes from the free desktops, and so m$ is copying free software. That's not a bad thing for m$ either, i'm just pointing that copying is part of developing, and it shouldn't be used to flame a particular software like you did.
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You must be old here. The current fashion in slashdot is that not even editors RTFA. We are currently working on SNRTFA, that is, Submitters Not Reading the Fucking Article, maybe next year ...
It's not really that easy. They have to backport all the security holes form IE6 until it passes a regression test :)
Not everything is about money. There are many news sites that are independent, not-for-profit, not managed by corporations, that has well educated editors, that posts quality, original, interesting, never duplicated content, like, for example, this slash .... oh ... nevermind.
Actually, Slashdot is keeped up to date constantly. And just to make sure, each story is posted twice.
Microsoft doesn't offer "new features", that's not their business, and never had been.
They instead offer features that are new in windows, and market them as "new technologys".
They don't care if those features has been in Unix or Mac OS for years.
Regardless of how stupid this sounds, it has worked for them for the past 2 decades.
Actually, it was a rhetoric question, if you just point out that it's just another propietary format created by microsoft in order to make other operating systems incompatible, and so: a) force upgrades, b) spread FUD about Free Software interoperability, i would just be moded as flamebait, and noone would take my point.
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Insted, with such a question, you make other poeple think, letting them take their own conclussion.
You can catch more flys with sugar
I think that the most important Question here is ... is microsoft going to provide an specification for the fs?, and, in case they do, will it be licensed in a GPL-compatible way?
Ok, let's just drop the deadrat discussion where it is ...
... it's just stronger than me :)
About Proprietary Vs. Propietary, i know it's written Proprietary, but my native language is Spanish, and in Spanish it's "Propietario", without the "r", and, yes, it's a word that i use a lot, sadly, and so i usually write it in english the way it's written in spanish
The slashdot effect is going to dissapear.
Just noones actually RTFA.
Thanx, i'm here all week.
This has gone out of proportion. You are just flaming me without any reasoning, if you want to further discuse this, please post giving you name, under your user, like I do. it's a disrespect to talk to someone without telling who you are.
Post under your user, or give a mail or some way to contact you, so we can further discusse this topic in a more proper place, i want reply or read anymore AC posts.
I Wanted to point out that a system can't be named after it's kernel. The actual bootimage name in the filesystem doesn't really matter, you can name it anything you want as long as you specify it in the configuration of your bootmanager.
/boot directory, named by it's version (that is, the reported by the kernel, the output of uname -r). In my case, right now, it's 2.6.11-ALMAFUERTE .
I, personally, keep my kernel images in the
Please think before posting, that woudl help slashdot a lot.
You are the one flaming and trolling me, i stated my opinion clearly and respectfully, you, instead, are insulting me.
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Red Hat tries to make it as hard as possible for people to get their distro without paying, for example, in their website, there is no download section, yes, you can get the sources, but they don't clearly say so in their webpage, that is misleading, and also is this>
Free 30-day Evaluation Subscription
to Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4
They are not absolutely propietary because the GPL forbids them for being so, but they try to trick people into thinking that Red Hat is actually a propietary, independant Operating System, It's not bad to Sell Free Software, but it's bad to mislead people into thinking that Free Software is actually propietary. This helps microsoft and their 'get the facts' shit
I'm talking about the fact that what redhat does is ethically wrong, not about the GPL forbiding it, so please don't mention it again.
Is more harmful than, say, Microsoft.
Microsoft creates propietary software, they develop it, they sell it, and you have the choice to use it or not. Red Hat, Also sells propietary software, but they don't develop it. Microsoft is against Free Software, and it fights against us, using it's own weapons. Red Hat, fights against Free Software (developing propietary apps and selling them IS fighting Free Software, and also, they make bad publicity for GNU, since they bash most distributions in favor of their own, they spread FUD about Free Software having no support, etc, very similar to microsoft in that sense).
The difference, is that microsoft has their own bussines, at least. We compete. But redhat, doesn't develop anything, they stole the GNU project, and they put it under a different name. That's it. They also use our name (Free Software and Open Source Software) as a selling point.
So, they compete with Free Software, while they are actually selling Free Software!.
I Think that is unmoral, and worse than what microsoft and others does (because they are actually stealing OUR work, and using OUR name and fame)
rms doesn't insist in calling the system GNU because he want to be recognised (although that would be nice too ...). If you say just Linux, you are refering to the goals of the open source movement, which are technicall goals, and, ethically, doesn't really say anything. Free Software is a quest for Freedom. That's why it's important to call the system GNU or GNU/Linux if you want, you are stating that you use a FREE system, that is, that you use software that don't holds their users hostages. If you say "Linux", you are, 1st) stating that you use the system just because it's technically better, and you wouldn't mind if it were propietary or not. 2nd) Because you mislead people by calling the OS by it's kernel name. Do you call ms-dos io.sys?, do you call windows kernel32.dll?, do you call unices vmunix?, then, it doesn't make sense to call Linux what is called GNU.
Word of the Day: Gratitude.
It's not my intention to flame anyone, but many "Open Source" advocates and other users of Free Software really owe a lot to the GNU project, that is, RMS, the FSF, and all the people that has contributed to it over the years.
Don't just flame me or mod me down, please read the history of Free Software (Dont look for OS, look for FS), and you will really understand what i'm talking about.
If it weren't for GNU, we woudln't have Linux (Don't confuse GNU and Linux, Linux is just the kernel), OO, KDE, etc,etc. All this projects that doesn't want to be part of GNU, really owe their own existence to the GNU project.
The fight for freedom is not over, we really should just forget little differences and old hates, and work together. And the way to do it has been and will allways be GNU.
GNU is the name of the Project, GNU is the name that should be used to refer to Free Software under the GPL. If you don't agree, just read the GPL and find out.
When you get addict to a webcomic (and i'm addict to a few ...) It really bothers you when you don't get your daily comic ...
UF does a pretty good job, it's updated daily, but quality varies, Down to Earth is amazing (in quality), but updated in a ver irregular way.
It would be gould to see DTE in the contest, daily dte updates would just rock.
You use it to get GNU/Linux distros and "legal content". It's ok, you have the right to do so.
Other use it to get other content too, like music, books, movies, and it's also ok, because it's THEIR RIGHT to do so.
The fact that this corrupt system tries to deny their legitim right to access information and art, doesn't make it a bad thing.
I Must respectfully disagree with you ...
The Sky is not green.
I would like to agree with you, but experience tell me that what you tell me just won't work (sadly). /. into account. 99% of /. readers know GNU/Linux and most of them have tried it at least once. Also, a big % uses GNU/Linux (It would be interesting to see the apache's access logs ...).
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But, regardless of that, most of them still call it "Linux", and most of them don't care about Freedom, and most of them still uses propietary software.
Just makes you think
When you say Americans, you actually means USA Citizens, Argentina is also in America, you know?
/.: You are Free to say whatever you want on slashdot, there is freedom of speech here, unleast, off course, you go against the /. groupthink, in that case, you will get flamed and moded down, you will loose your karma, and it will be hard to recover. ... You are Free, if you are "American", that is, if you agree with all of our policys, if you do something that we don't like, then you are "unamerican", and in that case, you are doomed.
And the answer is pretty simple, the USA citizens think that USA = Freedom and all that stuff that they listen to in the CNN, but actually the USA is far, far away from being a Free Country.
Let's compare it to what happends on
The same happends in the USA
They have the greatest difficulty understanding Freedm because they are not used to really be free, they are "free" for as long as they don't think something that is "agains america". That's not really freedom.
They tend to think that Freedom is supeditated to comfort. Freedom is good, but comfort is better. That's how the government buys the people. They are not really free, but they get comfort in exchange.
In the case of Software, they trade Freedom for technicall advantages, and that is a reproduction of the freedom for comfort trade that they do with their government.
ALMAFUERTE
That depends on your goals, i don't want more people joining the GNU userbase, i want more poeple understanding what Free Software is, and then, using GNU. If you just want many users, then having more users is a success. If you want more people understanding why Free Software exists, agreeing with it, helping with it, and using it, calling it Linux won't help, because you are killing the whole meaning of Free Software, and replacing it with marketing.
That should read 80 days, Passepartout!!
What do you mean with that??
You are saying that Debian is not GNU???
Oh, off course!, that's why it's called Debian GNU/Linux!!
Debian is an example of a distribution of GNU.
Linux reffers to the KERNEL of the system. This conference is actually about Free Software and the Free Operating System that uses Linux as it's kernel. The name of that system is GNU, duh!.
I didn't felt bad about your comment, or anything related to it. Actually, i agree with it. Gnome and KDE try to simulate windows and i don't like it, but your comment was just flamebait, because of the way it was written, it's objective was just to try to prove that m$ innovates, and free software copies. So i replied to you pointing that in this subject, the actual concept of having a theme with rounded buttons is not an m$ idea, it comes from the free desktops, and so m$ is copying free software. That's not a bad thing for m$ either, i'm just pointing that copying is part of developing, and it shouldn't be used to flame a particular software like you did.