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Linux.conf.au Coming Soon

One of my most favorite Linux-centric shows of all time, Linux.conf.au is gearing up in their latest location - Canberra. The registration is still open; I highly, highly recommend attending the show.

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  1. OOo Regicon Australia by oldosadmin · · Score: 3, Informative

    I believe this will also include the first ever OpenOffice.org RegiCon Australia.

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  2. Re:This is useful by Avyakata · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Ahem...I will revert to my grammar nazi roots once more:

    the word is TOO

    Alright, I'm out...

  3. I Know this has been said a million times ... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But, since the topics include :

    # Debian Miniconf
    # OpenOffice.org Miniconf
    # Gnome.conf.au Miniconf

    Shoudln't the conference be called GNU.conf.au or GNU/Linux.conf.au?

    Names are important, that's why we use them in the first place. Calling it Unix.conf.au would be misleading. Calling it Linux.conf.au is misleading too ...

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    1. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by LordoftheWoods · · Score: 1

      huh?
      Debian != GNU
      OpenOffice != GNU

      how is GNU or GNU/Linux any better?

    2. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We know it's you, Stallman.

    3. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shoudln't the conference be called GNU.conf.au or GNU/Linux.conf.au?

      Yes, because since two out of a total of eight miniconfs are GNU, despite the fact that the miniconfs are but a small part of the con, the entire conference should have its name changed.

    4. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by laughingcoyote · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Names are important, that's why we use them in the first place. Calling it Unix.conf.au would be misleading. Calling it Linux.conf.au is misleading too ...

      Indeed. And since MOST people know the GNU/Linux distributions, collectively, as "Linux", referring to them that way will be the least confusing method. Holy wars over naming do NOT attract new users to Linux, or GNU/Linux, or Not Windows, or whatever it is that you call it. Speak the way your audience is familiar with. Don't say "security", say "doesn't get viruses and spyware". Of course, this does not apply if you know your target audience is ALL those who are already tech-savvy, but that's not always the case.

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    5. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      That depends on your goals, i don't want more people joining the GNU userbase, i want more poeple understanding what Free Software is, and then, using GNU. If you just want many users, then having more users is a success. If you want more people understanding why Free Software exists, agreeing with it, helping with it, and using it, calling it Linux won't help, because you are killing the whole meaning of Free Software, and replacing it with marketing.

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    6. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      I see your point, but must respectfully disagree. I think that once more people use and are satisfied with F/OSS solutions, they will be more interested in learning about them, but you've got to get the foot in the door first. And that means not confusing the hell out of them, because the biggest barrier to entry to GNU/Linux currently is the fact that people DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. They know Windows "Just Works(TM)", and they like the automagic, easy way that it does. If you can convince them that Linux is NOT hard to learn and has step-by-step instructions on the web and in wikis all over the place, they'll start to adopt. And then-and only then-they'll start to care, and say "How can such a wonderful thing exist?"

      When they ask that question, THAT is the time to explain to them the proper naming conventions and the like. Not when they're first considering jumping off the Windows ship, because that'll just convince them not to.

      As to success-yes, the less cash that flows to Redmond, and the more people that adopt Linux, learn it, and (for the most part) contribute back to the community, the better. I do call that success. Of course, you are not required to agree, or define it the same way, or work toward the same ends-that's the very ideal of the "free" in "free software".

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    7. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      I would like to agree with you, but experience tell me that what you tell me just won't work (sadly).
      Take /. into account. 99% of /. readers know GNU/Linux and most of them have tried it at least once. Also, a big % uses GNU/Linux (It would be interesting to see the apache's access logs ...).

      But, regardless of that, most of them still call it "Linux", and most of them don't care about Freedom, and most of them still uses propietary software.

      Just makes you think ...

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    8. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by LordoftheWoods · · Score: 1

      I am aware, my reasoning was that Debian is not a GNU project. Yes, it is "Debian GNU/Linux" because the os is built around the linux kernel and the gnu toolset. I do see your point, however, but no such argument exists for OOo and therefore my point stands. To clarify, my post is not meant to reject the name of the conference, but the suggested changes of the parent. I just didn't see how the suggested names were any more relevant to the content than the original. If anything, it should be renamed to a name relating more generally to Open Soure/Free Software.

    9. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      GNU is the name of the Project, GNU is the name that should be used to refer to Free Software under the GPL. If you don't agree, just read the GPL and find out.

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    10. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by LordoftheWoods · · Score: 1

      Ah, I suppose this brings OOo in line with a GNU conference.

      Though, I don't really see why the FSF feels the need to stamp such a name on software. I don't choose GPL because I want or even approve of my software being lumped into some FSF project. I know of no other license which includes such frivolity. My software is my project. OOo is their own project. This is how I think: I don't see OOo as GNU OOo, just as OOo.

    11. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      Word of the Day: Gratitude.

      It's not my intention to flame anyone, but many "Open Source" advocates and other users of Free Software really owe a lot to the GNU project, that is, RMS, the FSF, and all the people that has contributed to it over the years.

      Don't just flame me or mod me down, please read the history of Free Software (Dont look for OS, look for FS), and you will really understand what i'm talking about.

      If it weren't for GNU, we woudln't have Linux (Don't confuse GNU and Linux, Linux is just the kernel), OO, KDE, etc,etc. All this projects that doesn't want to be part of GNU, really owe their own existence to the GNU project.

      The fight for freedom is not over, we really should just forget little differences and old hates, and work together. And the way to do it has been and will allways be GNU.

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    12. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by LordoftheWoods · · Score: 1

      I agree, however Richard Stallman and his previous quests for recognition etc have only alienated some people who otherwise love free software. Forcing people to be thankful doesn't help anyone, and of course it can't really be described as gratitude then anyway. Unimportant (as far as I'm concerned) little things like forcing the title "GNU/Linux." Even though it was deserved, the way they demanded it only made matters worse.

      I am grateful to Stallman and the FSF, but issues like that in the grandparent don't exactly feed that feeling. Still, you're probably right and certain others and I should cut them some slack.

    13. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      rms doesn't insist in calling the system GNU because he want to be recognised (although that would be nice too ...). If you say just Linux, you are refering to the goals of the open source movement, which are technicall goals, and, ethically, doesn't really say anything. Free Software is a quest for Freedom. That's why it's important to call the system GNU or GNU/Linux if you want, you are stating that you use a FREE system, that is, that you use software that don't holds their users hostages. If you say "Linux", you are, 1st) stating that you use the system just because it's technically better, and you wouldn't mind if it were propietary or not. 2nd) Because you mislead people by calling the OS by it's kernel name. Do you call ms-dos io.sys?, do you call windows kernel32.dll?, do you call unices vmunix?, then, it doesn't make sense to call Linux what is called GNU.

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    14. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you mislead people by calling the OS by it's kernel name. Do you call ms-dos io.sys?, do you call windows kernel32.dll?, do you call unices vmunix?, then, it doesn't make sense to call Linux what is called GNU.

      You are not very bright are you?

      Last time I checked, the "kernel name" for Linux is vmlinux or much more commonly vmlinuz.

    15. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      I Wanted to point out that a system can't be named after it's kernel. The actual bootimage name in the filesystem doesn't really matter, you can name it anything you want as long as you specify it in the configuration of your bootmanager.

      I, personally, keep my kernel images in the /boot directory, named by it's version (that is, the reported by the kernel, the output of uname -r). In my case, right now, it's 2.6.11-ALMAFUERTE .

      Please think before posting, that woudl help slashdot a lot.

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    16. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please think before posting, that woudl help slashdot a lot.

      Are you some kind of slashdot super-hero?
      Because your blood seems to be made of PURE IRONY!!

      You are the one who insisted that the "kernel file" for Linux was "linux" you are the one who clearly did not "think before posting" and yet you are bitching that I am the one not thinking?

      Let's recap:

      YOU> Do you call ms-dos io.sys?, do you call windows
      YOU> kernel32.dll?, do you call unices vmunix?

      ME> "kernel name" for Linux is vmlinux

      YOU> The actual bootimage name in the filesystem
      YOU> doesn't really matter

      ME> You are one big umbdass

      Listen - RMS is a smart guy, a lot of his extreme arguments actually do make sense. But you CLEARLY do not have the ability to fully interpret what he says, so don't try doing it in public, you only hurt his cause.

    17. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      This has gone out of proportion. You are just flaming me without any reasoning, if you want to further discuse this, please post giving you name, under your user, like I do. it's a disrespect to talk to someone without telling who you are.

      Post under your user, or give a mail or some way to contact you, so we can further discusse this topic in a more proper place, i want reply or read anymore AC posts.

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    18. Re:I Know this has been said a million times ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are just flaming me without any reasoning,

      No, YOU are POSTING without any reasoning.
      I'm just rubbing your face in it.

  4. distance by nbert · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I'm sorry, but I'm not in the mood of another 24 hours spend in a plane. (I don't even know if there are direct flights from some city in Europe - Canberra)

    1. Re:distance by maglor_83 · · Score: 1

      Highly unlikely. Europe -> Sydney -> Canberra would be the quickest way (from Europe)

    2. Re:distance by nbert · · Score: 1

      There usually is a stop in Singapore or Indonesia involved, so it will be London (most common) -> Kuala Lumpur (for example) -> Sydney | Adelaide | Melbourne | ... -> Canberra. Might add up to 30 hours. I'm not ranting, since I've been to Australia several times and I always enjoyed my stay (especially Melbourne and the Whitsunday Islands and the region above Cairns and...). However, the tickets are not cheap and the flight is a royal pain in the ass regardless of the class you are flying.

    3. Re:distance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no direct international flights out of Canberra to anywhere except Fiji and New Zealand. Its great that we are finally getting events like this in Canberra, the research capital of the southern hemisphere.

    4. Re:distance by InvisibleCola · · Score: 5, Funny

      Firstly, I live in Canberra so I am 24 hours from everywhere else.........you insensitve clod:) International flights are available from London, Rome, Athens etc. to both Sydney and Melbourne. International flights to/from Europe do not stop over in Indonesia but some do stop for a couple of hours in either Sinagapore or Bangkok. Sydney is a 40 minute flight from Canberra and Melbourne is about 1 hour 15 minutes. You can drive from Sydney to Canberra in under 3 hours, if you drive on the left. Add another three hours for weaving through oncoming traffic if you drive on the right.

    5. Re:distance by nbert · · Score: 1
      You can drive from Sydney to Canberra in under 3 hours, if you drive on the left. Add another three hours for weaving through oncoming traffic if you drive on the right.
      Those drive left signs are pretty hard to ignore :) (And yes, I've been driving in Australia and it wasn't so hard for someone using the right side under "normal" cicumstances)
    6. Re:distance by Calroth · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but I'm not in the mood of another 24 hours spend in a plane.

      You could say the same about any destination in Australia), so why even bother posting in a Linux.conf.au discussion?

    7. Re:distance by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      "Firstly, I live in Canberra"

      And here I thought I was the only one on here! :(

      I dont feel special any more

    8. Re:distance by nbert · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was a little insensitive here. It just bugged me that the poster "highly recommend[s] attending the show". After all going to Canberra is terribly expensive/inconvenient for anybody not living in Australia or the region of Asia. (You might also take into account that we Europeans are not used to such distances. Some of us are astonished if they are still on the same globe after 8 hours of flight ;) )

    9. Re:distance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More people live within a 12 hour flight to Australia than within a 12 hour flight to any north american city.

      Maybe some Red Flag linux users would like to attend?

      USA != World

    10. Re:distance by ibentmywookie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well there are plenty of mentions of Linuxworlds in New York and San Francisco, etc.. that's pretty damn inconvenient to attend for us. 20+ hours on a flight. Not to mention KDE Konferences in Germany, GNOME conferences in the US, etc etc.

      And yes I've flown to Europe from Australia, and it was the longest day of my life. 8 hours to singapore, 13 hours to france, 45 minutes to london (+ airport wait times of about 5-9 hours, can't remember now)...

      So yeah, stop complaining. It's about time we had something happen here for once so I don't have to go "if only I had $3k to spend, and felt like a 30 hour journey...".

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    11. Re:distance by child_of_mercy · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you're on a budget you'll get a bus to Canberra from Sydney.

      Yhe trip is shorter than to many cities from "their" airport. (I'm looking at you Narita)

      But Qantas run damn near an air-bridge Sydney Canberra. The flights leave every 30 mins and only take half an hour (including all the fiddling around)

      And the weather at this time of year is glorious.

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    12. Re:distance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take a boat. Then I'll stay, and won't come home.

    13. Re:distance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canberra has only a regional airport. Of the major cities, only Sydney, Melbourne, and Brisbane have direct flights to Canberra.

      Sydney is about a 40 minute hop.

    14. Re:distance by NeuralAbyss · · Score: 1

      You can drive from Sydney to Canberra in under 3 hours

      Did that drive recently.. took about 2 and a half hours on a weekday. Just don't expect to stop off in Canberra for a bit and continue on to Melbourne!

    15. Re:distance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For they those outside of Australia :-

      Canberra is a city purpose built for Beurocrats
      i.e stale and lifeless but it does have ...
      a lake in the middle.

      It's a pity that the first Linux.conf is being held here,I guess they there trying to go for the Government market.

      Should really have been held in Brisbane with the Mining Offices located here you would think it would be a good market.

    16. Re:distance by Anath · · Score: 1

      There's lots of us in Canberra.. Muahah :)

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    17. Re:distance by linoleo · · Score: 1

      My house is your house and your house is mine

      Excellent, cause mine's a wreck... when can I move in? Add me to the Canberran slashdotter love-in :-)

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    18. Re:distance by kimba · · Score: 1

      t's a pity that the first Linux.conf is being held here,I guess they there trying to go for the Government market.

      I'd be more worried about something in the air there affecting the residents. You're that guy from Memento right?

    19. Re:distance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dream on.

    20. Re:distance by Xiaran · · Score: 1

      You are correct. You can also do the London - >LAX/SFO -> SYD -> CAN route... but I wouldnt recommend it. Im a Canberraian that lives in London and I have, err hum, a great deal of experience with this trip. It isnt a terribly pleasent one BTW.... 30 hours is a good ballpark.

      Oh and looking at the recommendation for the Canberra backpackers... I would give that two thumbs up... at least two years ago... friends of mine have stayted there... its own by a fairly swank Hotel across the road... they even pipe the movie channels from the swank hotels in house cctv to the backpackers... TV in all rooms as well.. dorms and doubles/singles.

      And if any space geeks wanna go and pay respect to the ruins of the tracking station that really txed the images and sound of Neil Armstrong taking his first steps on the moon then(despite what the move The Dish says... it wasnt Parkes) go to Honeysuckle Creek

      Alas there is much left

    21. Re:distance by Xiaran · · Score: 1

      If you're on a budget you'll get a bus to Canberra from Sydney.

      Not necessiarily even if youre on a budget. Ive said in a previous flight that I do the LHR -> CAN trip quite a bit. Once you get to SYD you have 4 choices. Another flight, the bus, the train or hire a car(Id only hire a car if you really need like... well... a car). Never take the train. It takes longer than a bus and drops you in a backwater bit of Canberra... which youll need to spend 20 buck on a taxi to get to Civic(the middle bit of Canberra... near the ANU). Flights are good... dont take long... but then youre gonna need a taxi costing about 25 bucks.

      I tend to take the bus. For a few resons. Firstly a bus leaves right from SYD international airport(as the nice people at the help desk). Secondly it takes about 2.5 -> 3 hrs. Thirdly most flights get in at an ungodly hour... by the time youve clear customs its prolly 6AM local time. If you jump on a bus you can have a nice nap(the bus is usually empty at this hour and the traffic on the highway light) and arrive in downtown Civic at a much more reasonable hour.

    22. Re:distance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What're you talking about? It's the sixth Linux.conf.au. The first one was in Melbourne in 1999, and it was held in Brisbane in 2002.

    23. Re:distance by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      Are you an 18 - 28 yo female? If so, then tomorrow if you have nothing better to do? If not, umm....Ill get back to you....sometime....maybe :)

    24. Re:distance by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      Hmm...that laugh...I recognise it from the CLUG mailing list :)

    25. Re:distance by boots@work · · Score: 1

      Hemos lives in the US, and he recommends it. The flight from the US is not bad at all if you come for a week of conference and a week of holiday. See the great barrier reef!

    26. Re:distance by linoleo · · Score: 1

      Are you an 18 - 28 yo female?

      On slashdot? +5 funny.

      Tell you what, I'll come over for some of that excellent dope you must have been smoking. :-)

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    27. Re:distance by RocketRainbow · · Score: 1

      Ask and ye shall receive! I'm an 18-28 female in Canberra. Tomorrow I'm going to a maths lecture just metres from where the Linux conf will be. Hmm... guess that and washing my hair will keep me busy for the next 10 years.... sorry Bob.

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    28. Re:distance by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      "Ask and ye shall receive! I'm an 18-28 female in Canberra. Tomorrow I'm going to a maths lecture..."

      *drool*

      "...just metres from where the Linux conf will be"

      Now only if you had said Apple Store! Oh well, I guess the search continues :)

      "Hmm... guess that and washing my hair will keep me busy for the next 10 years.... sorry Bob.
      "

      OK, Im a bit slow - that went WAY over my head :S

    29. Re:distance by talis9 · · Score: 1

      Perth also has direct flights to Canberra once a day.

    30. Re:distance by DuranDuran · · Score: 1

      >>"Firstly, I live in Canberra"
      >And here I thought I was the only one on here! :(

      Same here!! :)

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    31. Re:distance by nbert · · Score: 1

      Didn't I mention the Whitsunday Islands somewhere?

      I made my divers license in Australia (in Mackay actually). I'm planning to visit Au this or next year, but I already mentioned that tickets aren't exactly cheap.

    32. Re:distance by nbert · · Score: 1

      I've got relatives in Australia, so I've done it a few times. Based on personal experience I really recommend valium for the journey from Singapore or Kuala Lumpur to Europe (and vice versa). You don't really want to know what happens within. Some might argue that drugs are bad under any circumstances, but I don't really see a better way to survive such trips without getting close to insanity...

  5. Oh! That kind of show by kitty+tape · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm not sure I would even watch a TV show about Linux.

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  6. Re:This is good news by ThomasFlip · · Score: 1

    oh for Australians... I kept thinking jewish Ethiopians !

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  7. Not Worth it by moofdaddy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I went to the show last year and found it to be a complete waste of my time. The speakers were dull and unprofessional and the whole show in general had the feeling of a low rent high school play.

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    1. Re:Not Worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Did they have beer? I find that creates ample interest in just about anything.

  8. Shows? Like TV? by caryw · · Score: 1, Funny

    void translateHemos (*std::string hemosspeak) {
    if (hemosspeak == "shows") {
    hemossspeak = "conference"; }
    }
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  9. Great dunking by gstone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hope the Canberra weather isn't too cold for another great dunking

    1. Re:Great dunking by cranos · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't be,April in Canberra is still very early Autumn.

      Mind you if it is we can always put the dunk tank on the top of the parliament house and let all the hot air warm the water.

  10. Re:Wait a minute by NoGuffCheck · · Score: 4, Funny

    the reason australia was setup as a penal colony was that the US refused to take anymore convicts and thus Britain needed an alternative.

    1. steal a loaf of bread

    2. sentenced to 200 years on a paradise island..

    sounds good to me.

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    serenity now!
  11. linux.conf.au 2006 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those of you who are wondering where linux.conf.au 2006 is going to be, it will be held in Dunedin, New Zealand

    1. Re:linux.conf.au 2006 by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Why? I've always assumed linux.conf.au was Australian and to be held in Australia. If it's in New Zealand I'd expect it to be linx.conf.co.nz

    2. Re:linux.conf.au 2006 by freitasm · · Score: 1

      Because Australia is New Zealand's Western Island ;)?

    3. Re:linux.conf.au 2006 by allrong · · Score: 2, Funny

      If New Zealand is Middle Earth, then Australia is where Frodo and co sailed off to at the end of LOTR. They were subsequently interned as boat people.

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    4. Re:linux.conf.au 2006 by taniwha · · Score: 1

      And don't forget we have real penguins

  12. Re:Shows? Like TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hahaha way to know c you stupid mods
    i'm surprised you didn't mark him troll

  13. they should change their name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux.conf reminds me of linuxconf. Terrible, terrible program that was.

  14. Re:Shows? Like TV? by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

    The fact that the moderator doesn't understand C++ Doesn't make the post offtopic. If you don't understand the post, don't moderate it. It sounds like a basic concept, but many people just don't get it. You are not obligated to moderate down every comment that you think may be just offtopic/flamebait/troll. If you are unsure, you better use your modpoints to mod-up what you do undestand, instead of modding down what you don't.

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  15. Re:Wait a minute by cranos · · Score: 1

    More likely

    1. Steal a loaf of bread

    2. Get sentenced to 7 years in a place where the seasons were the wrong way round, you were thousands of miles from England and the guards were the dregs of the British army.

    Australia was only a paradise island for a little while, now we're becoming Mini-US.

  16. Re:Shows? Like TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nh, shut up. And shut up here too. And take your all caps gnu/nick with you.

  17. Re:Wait a minute by chimpo13 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The paradise island is New Zealand.

    Australia has something like 7/10 of the most poisonous snakes and spiders. Plus there's crocodiles (both salt and fresh water), and jelly fish that can kill if you figure you'll just go swimming in the ocean. People die of the heat and dehydration in the outback. Driving at night angers the Kangaroo God so he smites your car with them. There's also a Cattle God, a Sheep God, a Wombat God and a Roadtrain God. None are happy.

    Not to mention they eat things like Musk Flavored Lifesavers and Vegemite. The heat, combined with US and Europe hiding the ozone layer makes it hard on people so they age badly. Crocodile Dundee is only 22.

    But it was a nice country with great people, and I'll be back to ride from Cape York to Uluru (Ayers Rock) to Tasmania.

  18. Re:This is useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being a grammer Nazi myself....

    THE WORD IS ALLRIGHT NOT ALRIGHT

    Allright, I'm out.

  19. Re:Shows? Like TV? by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

    Mi Nickname might be in all caps, but it's not at least "Anonymous Coward".
    You have modpoints _and_ post as AC?. That is tricking the moderation system. AC posting is there for those that doesn't have an account, and for those that has to hide their id for some important reason, not so you can flame and keep your good karma at the same time. Someone that tricks the moderation system shouldn't get mod points. If yoy reply, at least have the guts to show your face.

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  20. Re:Shows? Like TV? by Dhalka226 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The fact that the moderator doesn't understand C++ Doesn't make the post offtopic

    Or it could be that the moderator doesn't see jabs at using a wrong word to be on the topic of the thread. I don't, although I probably wouldn't care enough to use a modpoint on it.

  21. Hop over and check out "The Dish" by DumbSwede · · Score: 4, Informative
    I doubt I will attend, but for those that do you may wish to take a small side trip to the Honeysuckle Creek tracking station. It and Parkes Observatory are what brought the first Apollo 11 moon walk Live to the world, being the only dishes of suitable power in proper position to receive the signal. Here is a link to some more info. You could also rent the little known, but well made movie "The Dish"

    1. Re:Hop over and check out "The Dish" by Biogenesis · · Score: 1

      Just keep in mind that if you do go to Honeysuckle Creek don't expect to find a tracking station anymore. I went there to do astrophotography once as it's outside of the city a bit and was disapointed to find that the tracking station was just a few concrete slabs :p.

      Link.

  22. Re:Wait a minute by mgv · · Score: 3, Informative

    More likely

    1. Steal a loaf of bread

    2. Get sentenced to 7 years in a place where the seasons were the wrong way round, you were thousands of miles from England and the guards were the dregs of the British army.

    Australia was only a paradise island for a little while, now we're becoming Mini-US.


    Commentry for the majority of /. who live elsewhere:

    Nah, it is paradise here. I've been to a few places, and its good in Oz. The fact that we posess alot of similarities to both the US and the UK doesn't make it bad here.

    In fact, its part of why its good (eg democracy, separation of powers with independentent judiciary).

    The seasons are just fine the way they are here.

    Having said that, Canberra's weather is pretty poor ... Too far inland, it gets very cold in winter and way too hot in summer.

    Canberra is a city thats a compromise in location because they couldn't decide whether to make Sydney or Melbourne the capital, so they built a whole city in a paddock between the two and dug out an artificial lake to make it look pretty. (Ok, it does look pretty, but its still a man made lake).

    Hopefully the weather won't be too bad at the conference, because the whole linuxconf thing has really taken off. I'm sure that this will be alot bigger than the 2003 one in Perth that I went to.

    Michael

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  23. Indeed by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 2, Funny
    Names are important, that's why we use them in the first place
    And I think the name I'm looking for is "dumbass".
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  24. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    plus, you actually have muscle cars in aus.

  25. Hackfest Competition by cy · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those who are attending the conference there will also be a programming competition run during the conference.

    Lots of fun was had by participants and observers at last year's competition.

  26. For a Minute... by eno2001 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...I thought that I should go to /etc and look for linux.conf.au and then I realized that this was something completely different. I need to get out more. ;P

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    1. Re:For a Minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what, you didn't man/info linux.conf.au and find no man/infopage? i mean cmon looking in /etc/ doesn't (usually) tell you much about the usage of said file ;)

    2. Re:For a Minute... by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      man pages are for gurly-men! Real men use 'cat' and 'strings' for their documentation!! ;P

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    3. Re:For a Minute... by rednaxel · · Score: 1
      ...I thought that I should go to /etc and look for linux.conf.au and then I realized that this was something completely different. I need to get out more. ;P

      I thought it was an AUDIO file recorded from someone READING a file named linux.conf, and the article was about some kind of speech recognition software that could translate it to a text file.

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  27. Be careful how you say that by kn0tw0rk · · Score: 1

    as when I visited the US, I tried to explain to someone that australia was setup as a penal colony, they thought I was talking dirty. Guess it was something about the accent that confused them :)

    Also, got strange looks for saying yosemite like vegimite. :D

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  28. Re:Wait a minute by hool5400 · · Score: 1

    Freshwater crocidiles are relativly safe. Ocasionally someone gets a small nibble, but the don't tend to kill people.

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  29. Re:Wait a minute by maglor_83 · · Score: 1

    Get a bit wet riding from Uluru to Tassie won't it?

  30. Webcasts? by kinema · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Will the presentations be webcast?

  31. Re:This is useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No such word as allright. Look it up, Bozo.

  32. I highly, highly recommend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that you pay my way there and back if you want me to go.

  33. Re:This is useful by zobier · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Allright is not a word -- and be it Nonstandard, alright is still in the dictionary:
    http://www.answers.com/alright

    And I think you mean Spelling Nazi not Grammer Nazi and even if you meant Grammar Nazi, What kind of Spelling Nazi spells grammar grammer!?

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  34. Don't forget the penguins by child_of_mercy · · Score: 2, Informative

    And remember the penguin which bit Linus lives at the National Zoo and Aquarium in Canberra.

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  35. Re:Wait a minute by mickyflynn · · Score: 1

    something like half the people's only 'crime' was being Irish. And belonging to secret, patriotic societies. Of course, they couldn't be having any of the freedom stuff. All the Australian's I've known have been of Irish extraction. In addition, they can no longer pronounce their names (Caughlin in particular)).

  36. Re:Wait a minute by chimpo13 · · Score: 1

    You're right, I'll use a wet suit and a giant snorkle.

  37. Download videos from 2004 conference by 183771 · · Score: 2, Informative

    you missed last year conference?
    Download best 2004 videos from Linux.Conf.Au 2004 Videos Information & Downloads Webpage


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  38. Re:This is good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surprisingly enough, you might find a significant number of Australians actually do read Slashdot. Why bias it towards any one particular country? It couldn't possibly be because it's your country and you're being selfish, could it?

  39. Re:Wait a minute by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 1

    you forgot the drop-bears.

  40. Re:Wait a minute by cranos · · Score: 1

    As a fellow australian, I agree, there is much about Australia that makes it "Gods own", but lately I have noticed a creeping feeling of americanisation, and not the good stuff like a bill of rights. Instead we get American style lawsuites where peoples stupidity can earn them hundreds of thousands of dollars.

  41. Re:Wait a minute by donscarletti · · Score: 1
    and jelly fish that can kill if you figure you'll just go swimming in the ocean

    Yeah, but there's a thing that kills people who go swimming in the ocean off new zealand too... it's called hyperthermia.

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  42. I know, I know by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

    Dont complain about the options... but what about all of us who don't live in Europe?

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  43. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My favourite treatment of this topic is from Terry Pratchett's "Lost Continent".

    Its been a while since I read it so details aren't 100% accurate:

    Death is looking to find out more information about the country of Fourecks, so he asks for the volumes on dangerous and poisonous creatures native to the land, only to be burried under a pile of books.

    He then asks for the non-dangerous animals, a single sheet appears with the following words:
    "_Some_ of the sheep".

    As an Australian, that cracked me up.

  44. linuxconf.au by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it, where is this sound file?

  45. WHAT!? by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    You mean you don't refer to your system as GNU/BSD/Mozilla/PublicDomain/OpenGroup/Apache/ Artistic/Linux? Goodness me, credit where credit is due, boy!

    (-:

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  46. We're all in deep pooh, then... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...because next year it'd have to be gnu.linux.conf.nz, and kiwiland doesn't have a "conf" 2LD.

    It was originally called CALU, Conference of Australian Linux Users.

    I want to call it Colloquy of Linux in Australia and New Zealand (CLANZ) but nobody's listening. (-:

    We're (the royal we're) also idly toying with the idea of separate per-state user Colloquia.

    Either way, LCA is top stuff. I hope we get Linus again this year. He likes to come along because of the low-profile, relaxed and informative ambience (you know, they force you onto a dunking stool, that kind of thing).

    BTW, if you haven't yet punted around in Planet Linux Australia, do so. It's quite an education, here and there.

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  47. Re:Oh! That kind of show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, back when g4 Tech Tv was tech TV, TSS was known to have the occasional linux/OSS segment... but not even TechTV had an all Linux show.

  48. Which LCA did you attend? by xixax · · Score: 1

    I had a mixed bag.

    A session on profiling web apps was poor. Yes, I *would* expect a web-mail app to spend a lot of time in regexs, that's how you look for injected content. Another session was thinly disguised corporate promotion.

    The Postgres dudes were really good, the session on "Authentication Stone Soup" (something like that) was really excellent. The GStreamer demo was an eye-opener. Any talk by Rusty or Tridge is a must see.

    Whilst I could have read about other things (like Perl 6), it was nice to sit in a lecture and hear about it, as I'm never going to get time to read about it at work or at home.

    Best of all, at the end of the day I could sit with the experts in the Belgian Beer cafe and talk about the day's content.

    Unless you qualify your post with specifics, I'm going to consider it a troll.

    Xix.

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    1. Re:Which LCA did you attend? by jonoxer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A session on profiling web apps was poor. Yes, I *would* expect a web-mail app to spend a lot of time in regexs, that's how you look for injected content.

      You're right, I did a pretty crappy job of doing that presentation. I was stressed, I had lots of trouble getting my laptop to work with the projector, I got the timing wrong, it all just fell in a heap. Oh well, sometimes that happens. At least I learned from my mistakes and revised the presentation: I've since done an extended version of it at 3 other confs and did a dramatically better job of it each time.

      Regarding the regex comment though, it seems you missed the point I was trying to make: sure, regex is appropriate in that situation but I didn't really care about the low-level details. My point was that running the profile showed that all the expensive regex checks were being done on *every* *single* *message* in the mailbox, even when there were only a few being displayed. It's an issue of program flow and structure that becomes blindingly obvious when you do profiling, but may not be obvious when you're working in the guts of the code.

    2. Re:Which LCA did you attend? by Sleeping+Dog · · Score: 1


      Belgian Beercafe.. wtf am I travelling all the way to .conf.au for Beer I can get from my own fridge ?

      Now don't tell me I have to bring it myselve also ! :)

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    3. Re:Which LCA did you attend? by tangledweb · · Score: 1
      "A session on profiling web apps was poor. Yes, I *would* expect a web-mail app to spend a lot of time in regexs, that's how you look for injected content."

      Really? I quite liked that session. The web mail app was only an example piece of relatively complex code to demonstrate profiling on.

      I think you may have missed the point of the regex finding. If you were profiling code, you would presumably be looking to speed it up. A quick look at the profiler output for that app showed that 97.8%* of the processing time was being taken up in calls to regex functions. More interestingly, displaying 20* messages from a mail box with 542* messages required 5420* calls to regex, suggesting that all messages or at least headers were being parsed. An obvious optimisation would be to limit detailed parsing to the messages being displyed.

      * Yes, I made up all the numbers in this post.

    4. Re:Which LCA did you attend? by xixax · · Score: 1

      Please do note that I deliberately didn't mention names as I did feel that I had missed *something*, but yes the signifcance was lost on me. And I certainly didn't think I had left enough detail in my post (for more than one person) to pick the exact session!

      By reading the other posts, it seems that other people did get something out of the session. But personally, the session was not what I was expecting (having tinkered with Perl profiling shortly before that LCA). On the flipside, the only way to get good at presenting is to present lots, and LCA is also a valuable opportunity to develop skills in the way you describe. I do believe that I made constructive suggestions on the feedback sheet, it's very hard to improve if people lie about what they thought.

      However the original point is that while there were better and worse sessions (like *any* conference), on the whole the sessions at LCA were great.

      This is actually quite ironic in that I am currently helping troubleshoot a PHP app that sucks because the author has made gratuitous use of regexes. doh...

      Xix.

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  49. Yes, they had beer by xixax · · Score: 1

    It's amazing how interesting RDBMS indexing strategies are after a beer.

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  50. Crying Shame by DumbSwede · · Score: 1
    Wow, how sad, I know this was largely an American event, but to just demolish this piece of history seems unconscionable, regardless if its scientific use had come to an end. Too bad the movie didn't come out till 2001. Maybe more people would have known and cared. I'm sure the American government would have pitched in dollars if the American public had known what was to be lost.

    With the connectivity of the web these days, hopefully what seems obscure to some will find the wide audience needed to take proper action. I doubt many American papers carried the subject in 1981.

  51. Re:Wait a minute by pnevin · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but there's a thing that kills people who go swimming in the ocean off new zealand too... it's called hyperthermia.

    They're killed by unusually high body temperature?

  52. Hmm.... by KDE-Online · · Score: 1

    If 1. I lived in canberra/sydney. 2. I knew someone else going. Then I would go.

  53. Re:Oh! That kind of show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean you don't have TV output enabled by default?^1 *squints to read /. on his TV set* oh yeah that's why (at least for analog sets) Tv output is only good for video output. Now some of those high def sets can actually be used instead of a monitor...
    Oh wait not that kind of linux tv...

    ^1= I refer to of course, closed source 3-d drivers, like the nivida and ATI ones...

  54. Re:This is useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iliterate kind, my friend. Do not let them burn your karma.

  55. Re:Wait a minute by hdparm · · Score: 1
    Question from New Zealand:

    What are those 'seasons' you're talking about?

  56. Re:This is useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank-you

  57. go through Melbourne, not Sydney by linoleo · · Score: 1

    But Qantas run damn near an air-bridge Sydney Canberra. The flights leave every 30 mins and only take half an hour (including all the fiddling around)

    If you do get a choice, go through Melbourne when flying in from overseas. Yes you'll spend half an hour longer on the plane, but immigration and changeover from international to domestic in Melbourne are *so* much more relaxed and easy. In Sydney you can have long lines at immigration, then to get to domestic they make you take a fricking bus that leaves the airport first thing (uh-oh), randomly loops around some freeway ramps (driver drunk?), then veers straight back onto the airfield through a gap in the fencing (isn't that illegal?), where it executes an entire ice skating program (watch out for the triple toe-loop!) before it finally drops you off at the domestic terminal - which, unsurprisingly, turns out to be right next to where you left 20 minutes earlier. You could have walked over in a minute or two, at the risk of being sucked into the odd jet engine, and/or chased by outraged Quantas employees (top speed: 2 mph).

    Seriosuly, you need to give yourself two hours minimum for the changeover in Sydney, while one hour should suffice in Melbourne. Net gain: half an hour, and a lot of nerves.

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  58. Europeans by linoleo · · Score: 1

    we Europeans are not used to such distances

    What distances? My office lies right between the Linux.conf.au stomping grounds and the local Apple Center, both all of 50 meters away. *And* I'm a European, you insensitive clod! :-)

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  59. Re:Wait a minute by dbIII · · Score: 1
    they built a whole city in a paddock between the two and dug out an artificial lake to make it look pretty
    We've got the terrorist target thing worked out properly too. From the air you can see a series of roads in concentric rings with parliment house as the centre of those rings - just like a big archery target.
  60. The best thing out of Canberra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And remember gents, the best thing to come out of Canberra is the road out! :P

  61. Great conference by agoliveira · · Score: 1

    I went there as a speaker in 2002. Great conference and I had a lot of fun except for the part of going and coming back as I live in Brazil it took me more than 40 hours to come back home :)

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  62. Re:Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Q: How does a New Zealander find a sheep in long grass?

    A: Wonderful.

  63. No, it's a Sydney and Melbourne issue by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    When they saw how much more wonderful a place Perth is to live (heck, even Adelaide's got better weather), they decided they needed to move West. Since that was impractical, they decided that expanding Australia to the East was the only remaining option. So now Australia has nine states and two territories. The conf is just acknowledging this.

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    1. Re:No, it's a Sydney and Melbourne issue by artefactual · · Score: 1

      check the preamble to the Australian constitution, it includes the north and south isles of NZ as states of Australia. also no one forgets Tassie, it's just a given.

  64. I see you've forgotten... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...Tasmania again.

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  65. Not to mention... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...the sharks and incredibly poisonous sea-snakes. They sort of cancel each other out a bit - the biologists at Monkey Mia call the snakes "Tiger Shark spaghetti".

    Anyway, if you haven't read Terry Pratchett's The Last Continent, do so. It isn't anything like an accurate picture of Australia, even with random magic added, but it's 100% wall-to-wall in-jokes, right down to the last drop-bear.

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  66. Rusty or Tridge? by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    Certainly is. (-:

    However, don't belittle Conrad Parker as a performer, living proof that not all Canucks are boring (he doesn't normally look like a con as he does in that photo, just acts like one sometimes :-) and there were many, many presenters who were attention-getting for their information rather than for their antics.

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  67. Well, if you like galaxies which do odd things... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...you've got plenty to keep you busy without having to face random slobs who will probably be utterly shocked to be called out on their impression of bravado. (-:

    Hi from Perth. Shall I keep an eye out for the "Johannes Kepler made the Earth move for me" tee shirt while I'm over at the Conf? (-:

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  68. First? by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
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  69. Re:Well, if you like galaxies which do odd things. by RocketRainbow · · Score: 1

    Oddly, I don't have that one. I'll go to the belconnen mall today, get a pink boob tube from Supre and some pearlescent white paint from the art shop and make one.

    I've never met a 4-digit slashdotter before.

    If you have trouble telling me from all the other girls in Kepler boob tubes (as it's sure to become an instant trend), I'll be the girl drinking espresso in Calypso cafe.

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  70. Re:This is useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wtf? it's definitely spelled "alright"

    I wouldn't be to quick to trip yourself...

  71. Re:This is useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    haha...to quick...

    As we've said before...the word is too. Wow...talk about a comedy of errors...

  72. Fabulous! I feel honoured! by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
    Oddly, I don't have that one. I'll go to the belconnen mall today, get a pink boob tube from Supre and some pearlescent white paint from the art shop and make one.
    OK, since you're going to so much trouble, what would you like on my shirt? Heisenberg was probably right? Schrodinger rules the waves?
    I've never met a 4-digit slashdotter before.
    'Tis actually the third account I registered. The emails for the first two no longer work, and I have no idea what the passwords might be. The main value in it for me is poking fun at people who unthinkingly proclaim "you must be new around here". (-:
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    1. Re:Fabulous! I feel honoured! by RocketRainbow · · Score: 1

      Pure tshirt GOLD, leonbrooks (8043)! You and I should go into business together - you do the slogans and I'll do the pretty artwork.

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  73. Perhaps we should include PNG and Indonesia? by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    We could call them The Really Northern Territory and The East Christmas Islands, respectively.

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  74. Almost certainly not original... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...but OTOH, wouldn't be hard to think of new ones. Do you make T-shirts for a living or something?

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    1. Re:Almost certainly not original... by RocketRainbow · · Score: 1

      Tshirts are a little unoriginal. I'm more a frustrated wannabe artist than a proper clothing maker ... but I've done a halter top with "rocket scientist" because I didn't want to wear "porn star" I've added starry sequins and embroidery to various trousers and I've done some gorgeous painting on some denim overalls for a baby girl (weren't feminine enough - or sparkly enough!) Send original tshirt ideas to rocketgirl@myrealbox.com

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  75. rocketgirl myrealbox com by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    Welcome to my addressbook. When this headache expires, it shall be done.

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