The folks from CentOS were being polite and helpful, based on my read of
the messages. I believe that you owe them an apology.
the guy still thinks that they (the evil hackerorrists) `helped' him after he threatened them with the FBI -- which is total bullshit, as anyone who read the email exchange can clearly see.
FTA: "I asked for the strange website to be removed because it blocked my City web site and I could not post public information. I only got help after threatening to contact the FBI."
so yeah, i think an apology from his part is highly unlikely.
ok, perhaps i should have used `the freakin neighborly thing to do' instead of `freakin common sense'. will that do? and project support/donations have nothing to do with being an employee.
Someone would probably give OpenBSD a grant, but Theo has already proven he doesn't know when to shut up and has problems playing with others. Cry me a river.
i fail to see how the head honcho's attitude is relevant here. he proved that he and his team can code a damn secure system and that's his main `mission' -- to write good secure code. he doesn't want you to be his friend, hold your hand and all that. you should respect him for what he does, not from what you expect he should do.
maybe the OpenBSD project should hire a perky PR person to handle all these matters in a friendly and non-violent manner, so it won't scare any donations away. would that make you happy?
If the people writing those drivers would not be working on OpenBSD, they would probably write those drivers for FreeBSD or Linux.
so basically, you don't have any appreciation for anyone? if Torvalds wouldn't have sat down to create his own little UNIX, RMS overdosed on LSD and never got the GNU movement off the ground, BSD never got started *probably* other people would have done all those things anyway.
right. fuck recognition, that is like soooo overrated.
unfortunately for you, and fortunately for me the reality is that all those people *did* their great things that changed the `it landscape'. and even if i may dislike the attitude of some, i still respect them for what they achieved and not dismiss them with a big fat `meh'.
I'm horrified by the question and its sentiments. Both Dan and Theo are human people.
ooooh so it's all right when Superman and Batman need to engage in mortal superherous combat in some nerd conversation, but *never* FOSS heroes? personally, i'd like to see RMS and ESR have a go at it, but i also think that theo could kick everyone's ass.
it's just bad business. lately lots of companies got big on open source and seeing how SUN (and others) has openssh based products, it would be freakin common sense to give something back to the developers. "well shit, they threw all that code in the wild, we're using and profiting from it, why not drop them some dosh so we motivate them to keep up the good work, so we don't have to".
some recent examples:
HP donated a 20 node blade monster to the FreeBSD project last year in december "We at HP recognize the important role of FreeBSD in the Internet's global network infrastructure, and we are
happy that the HP BladeSystem cluster can contribute to the on-going success of the FreeBSD Foundation"
i was listening to a LUGRADIO episode recently and there's this propylon company which specializes in legal products, and they are the fourth largest contributor to OO.o -- nothing small either, they got like 60 devs on top of shit.
and i'm sure the list can go on and on. so before you blame big bad theo for expecting something back from the `freeloaders' why don't you look around at what other `big bad souless companies' are doing?
what the hell are you talking about? the versions are completely arbitrary in regards to the repository. at most there is some kinda tag like R_1_3_37 (i don't really know how apache tags their shit) but there is no correlation between the release version and the repo numbering.
it's 69% of the total *number* of files. and it's 52M as opposed to 420M, an 8 fold increase. anyway, my point was that some people do have lots of small files, i was not talking about size.
you dont have to use it for everything. i, for example, would use it for some small databases and my svn repos. if your box dies between the nightly backups, it aint such a big deal that you lost, say, a days worth of apache logs and mail. but it would suck if you lost a days worth of orders or that code you cranked out furiously over lunch. i say, prioritize!
how exactly did RoR help with the "jumbled mess" and lack of "separation of logic from the presentation" from osCommerce? did it automagically refactor the code for you? or are you living under the impression that all PHP is written like that?
make a checklist with things you usually do on the 2k box. then do them in debian. that should give you a rough idea about which one is faster. also watch the resource usage on both operating systems and try different wms. xfce is lightweight yet isnt completely bare of eyecandy, openbox/windowmaker are lightweight, fast, simple, configurable -- choose your poison (ratpoison? ^_^)
try slackware with a lightweight wm or a bsd. i got an old gateway solo p200/32mb/2gb running netbsd 3.0 with openbox and it works great. it could use a bit more memory, but for what i run on it now (dillo/nedit/vim/xterms/xmms/bitchx) its quite snappy.
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the guy still thinks that they (the evil hackerorrists) `helped' him after he threatened them with the FBI -- which is total bullshit, as anyone who read the email exchange can clearly see.
FTA: "I asked for the strange website to be removed because it blocked my City web site and I could not post public information. I only got help after threatening to contact the FBI."
so yeah, i think an apology from his part is highly unlikely.
they probably took note of this whole fiasco and changed their default apache index.
ok, perhaps i should have used `the freakin neighborly thing to do' instead of `freakin common sense'. will that do? and project support/donations have nothing to do with being an employee.
i fail to see how the head honcho's attitude is relevant here. he proved that he and his team can code a damn secure system and that's his main `mission' -- to write good secure code. he doesn't want you to be his friend, hold your hand and all that. you should respect him for what he does, not from what you expect he should do.
maybe the OpenBSD project should hire a perky PR person to handle all these matters in a friendly and non-violent manner, so it won't scare any donations away. would that make you happy?
so basically, you don't have any appreciation for anyone? if Torvalds wouldn't have sat down to create his own little UNIX, RMS overdosed on LSD and never got the GNU movement off the ground, BSD never got started *probably* other people would have done all those things anyway.
right. fuck recognition, that is like soooo overrated.
unfortunately for you, and fortunately for me the reality is that all those people *did* their great things that changed the `it landscape'. and even if i may dislike the attitude of some, i still respect them for what they achieved and not dismiss them with a big fat `meh'.
ooooh so it's all right when Superman and Batman need to engage in mortal superherous combat in some nerd conversation, but *never* FOSS heroes? personally, i'd like to see RMS and ESR have a go at it, but i also think that theo could kick everyone's ass.
it's just bad business. lately lots of companies got big on open source and seeing how SUN (and others) has openssh based products, it would be freakin common sense to give something back to the developers. "well shit, they threw all that code in the wild, we're using and profiting from it, why not drop them some dosh so we motivate them to keep up the good work, so we don't have to".
some recent examples:
HP donated a 20 node blade monster to the FreeBSD project last year in december "We at HP recognize the important role of FreeBSD in the Internet's global network infrastructure, and we are happy that the HP BladeSystem cluster can contribute to the on-going success of the FreeBSD Foundation"
i was listening to a LUGRADIO episode recently and there's this propylon company which specializes in legal products, and they are the fourth largest contributor to OO.o -- nothing small either, they got like 60 devs on top of shit.
and i'm sure the list can go on and on. so before you blame big bad theo for expecting something back from the `freeloaders' why don't you look around at what other `big bad souless companies' are doing?
--EORant
nice troll. however i do believe that he wants money to support the project and not his drinking habits.
very nice, i've been using 1.1 since last week. helped a couple of times with dead links.
what the hell are you talking about? the versions are completely arbitrary in regards to the repository. at most there is some kinda tag like R_1_3_37 (i don't really know how apache tags their shit) but there is no correlation between the release version and the repo numbering.
it's 69% of the total *number* of files. and it's 52M as opposed to 420M, an 8 fold increase. anyway, my point was that some people do have lots of small files, i was not talking about size.
you'd be surprised:
~69% in my case.Opera is free as in beer
PHP4 has DOM/expat/XSLT support. i suppose its not as comfy as PHP5, but i massage XML all the time and the tools available in 4 do the job.
with NetBSD you can build your own. there also is some desktop centric live cd called NeWBIE
10% off your waist aint that bad
you dont have to use it for everything. i, for example, would use it for some small databases and my svn repos. if your box dies between the nightly backups, it aint such a big deal that you lost, say, a days worth of apache logs and mail. but it would suck if you lost a days worth of orders or that code you cranked out furiously over lunch. i say, prioritize!
what difference? linux *is* a kernel.
saxamaphone*
how exactly did RoR help with the "jumbled mess" and lack of "separation of logic from the presentation" from osCommerce? did it automagically refactor the code for you? or are you living under the impression that all PHP is written like that?
this reminds me of an old article over at GRC which covers this subject. interesting read.
make a checklist with things you usually do on the 2k box. then do them in debian. that should give you a rough idea about which one is faster. also watch the resource usage on both operating systems and try different wms. xfce is lightweight yet isnt completely bare of eyecandy, openbox/windowmaker are lightweight, fast, simple, configurable -- choose your poison (ratpoison? ^_^)
try slackware with a lightweight wm or a bsd. i got an old gateway solo p200/32mb/2gb running netbsd 3.0 with openbox and it works great. it could use a bit more memory, but for what i run on it now (dillo/nedit/vim/xterms/xmms/bitchx) its quite snappy.
you might want to click the `Sections' link on the lefthand side ^_^
the netbsd status report for q3/q4 2005 is also available.