One of the most important things for anything that can be used as a textbook or a learning aid in a classroom environment is standardization, at least among the students of a single class. A kid should be able to show his friend something which the friend should immediately be able to do.
If we just donate old computers (a worthy effort in its own right), you just don't get that effect.
Also, the OLPC has been more or less designed with education and kids as a primary purpose. This makes it far more useful than just throwing your used computers at children.
Well, you *could* have RTFA instead of fakesteve...
She's licensing the tech from OLPC. The patents are assigned to OLPC. She plans to further develop it, and also produce parts for OLPC at cost.
Yes it does, under the circumstances of not wanting to comply with the GPL. Perhaps that wasn't clear to you in my original prose. I thought the context was obvious, but (obviously) not.
I thought it would be obvious that if you don't agree to the conditions of the license that the code was released under, you can't use it... What's this about not wanting to comply with the license but using the code anyway? The whole case from the OBSD people is about somebody not following their license, but wanting to use their code. So, what exactly is your point? That you want to use the code and license be damned?
What I object to, is the relicensing of my code, under a more-restrictive license, without the original attribution back to my license. If you want to relicense under GPL, fine. But if you don't also keep the BSD license that *I* licensed it under originally, that's not fine. If, for example, your big-money GPL program (which uses my BSD subsystem at the core) is the star of some show, someone who wanted to use my code may not realize that they can do so without the GPL restrictions.
Fair enough, and if I read things correctly, that's what Eben's been saying. The madwifi devs were clearly in the wrong. But don't be a prick about it and threaten the people trying to help you
*I* don't see why *you* have the right to deprive that person of the right *I* granted him/her, by changing the license from BSD to GPL. It may be that my codebase remains relatively unknown, after all.
So, tell me - how do I gain access to the TCP stack on Windows that was derived from BSD code? In all these years, I haven't even found any useful attribution from MS fro that code... Why doesn't Theo sue MS?
I think the best thing would be to not emphasize science, mathematics or anything else, but simply guide in the right direction. I'd suggest including lots of literature on problem solving and anything to do with what might be described as a 'pioneering spirit'.
For example, what if kids had to read selected Sherlock Holmes stories, like say "Adventure of the Dancing Men", which is a beautiful description of cryptanalysis. It's a story that grips you, is easily accessible, has value as a work of literature and not just a way of introducing cryptanalysis,... Even if the child in question is absolutely never going to get into cryptanalysis, they still get something out of the story. Some discussion on the story later might help bring out several aspects of it also.
I don't understand this one:
"Please don't waste anyone's time comparing Windows XP to Linux 2006. Compare it to Linux 2001 when talking about drivers."
We're comparing currently stable windows with currently stable Linux distros. When Vista comes out, compare it with 2006 (0r 07 or 08 or 3450, when it will REALLY come out, by the looks of things) distros... Until then, XP (maybe with SP2, but XP). Anything else is specious...
Each of those directories is where I'd expect to find things if I wanted to look. Shell paths are simple:
PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin
and maybe one or two others. This means that I can use any app from any location on the system without worrying about where it is.
The package manager cleans up things in all those locations when uninstalling anything - standard with any distro.
Windows programs tend to put things in c:\Program Files, c:\Windows\System, C:\Windows, C:\Windows\System32, C:\Program Files\Common, C:\Program Files\Documents And Settings\Somewhere In Hyperspace and a few other esoteric, unobvious places, and don't clean it up on uninstall
When you have everything scattered about the drive, each in its own directory, it becomes that much more difficult to build a list of all apps that exist.
Help files are impossible to find in most windows apps - On a linux system, I know they are probably on man pages, info pages or in/usr/doc,/usr/local/doc,/usr/share/doc or/usr/local/share/doc. Most distros have an online help tool that searches these locations, and builds up a database. KDE (and probably Gnome, but I'm not expert on that) has a help browser that indexes all man pages, info pages, and KDE manuals. I remember seeing Gnome manuals in there sometime back too...
I've always found that Ubuntu/Kubuntu and some other distros' biggest flaw is not being able to play mp3s out of the box. The libraries exist, decoding is not really under a lockdown (AFAIK) and you can at least use the libraries, and virtually every player supports an mp3 decoder plugin. I had no problem with it in distros like Gentoo, and it's technically trivial. So, why not expose it directly?
At least, have a way of downloading the codec after warning the user or something...
Wait a sec here... Slackware? Buddy, Slackware is the distro for freaks like me who love doing that kind of stuff. I don't want autodetected drivers, I want a minimal driver set so that there's less cruft in/lib/modules. But other distros, Ubuntu, SuSE or Mandriva for example, do these things for you - try something made for a newbie before grumbling about how user-unfriendly Slackware is...
Then why does Microsoft rely on the OEMs to do it in the first place? The product is Microsoft Windows, not Dell/Microsoft Windows, and anyone who's going to use it is first going to blame Microsoft and not the OEM. These are things that exist in the natural state of affairs with the rest of the compiled modules for the Linux kernel, and we rarely need to worry about OEMs slipstreaming it in (OK, we may have to worry about distros slipstreaming it in, but that's like Microsoft doing it).
So, if RedHat or SuSE can do it, why not Microsoft?
You could preinstall any OS, even gentoo and users would get along fine.
I'll actually vouch for this - I tried it out on my mom, a total computer newbie, and her main use is on Gentoo and KDE, with me as admin for the system. She's fine as long as she doesn't have to install anything new, which I see to it that she doesn't...
OpenOffice has OpenOffice Basic, Javascript and Beanshell. Which is quite a bit for scripting, methinks...
I've never really USED access - I mean, I've played around with it in the guise of "Basic computer training" in a hopeless Computing 101 type course in college, which was 3 parts of what we all know and 1 part of what doesn't make sense, but that doesn't tell me why it's used, and where.
Also, version 2.0 has OpenOffice Base, which I've not yet test driven, and I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway.
And I know that I'd love to use the stairs on a spacecraft!:-)
The day after the fire in a shuttle: Tonight's top headlines: Space shuttle crew dies while attempting to use the fire escape after a spark ignited the commander's shaving gel. The shuttle itself is intact.
COME ON!!!!!!!!!! Why in the world would someone waste a computer that's capable of running Windows XP (which probably means at least a Pentium with 64 MB RAM?) on an ATM?
I mean, the thing is supposed to check your card, pin and then give you a load of cash... Last time I checked, that's a job for something less than an 8080, which could do the job faster, more securely, and cheaper.
The right tool for the right job, people!/me rolls eyes
IIRC, most of the Burans left are chopped up into bits, and two are not even assembled.
Anyway, the Buran is as dated as the shuttle, which is the entire point of building a new one...
Take a look: Buran, by NASA
BTW, the Clipper is being built by Energiya, which also has the Buran launcher to its credit...
Are you telling me that people with 30 years of IT experience need more education?
Yep!:-) After 30 years, either you retrain yourself, or go for training!:)
But tell me - there are people in India who have as much experience, skill and knowledge as you. Because of the cost of living here, we may work for less. Now, how are you competitive in your pricing, when we can deliver the same stuff cheaper?
I read the article you refer to, and it was rather shallow, I felt.
You see, caste matters now only in one or two points to do with the practice of religion. I myself am in an engineering college, and there's no relation between caste and achievement here. That is the ground reality.
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And speaker wire! Don't forget the speaker wire...
One of the most important things for anything that can be used as a textbook or a learning aid in a classroom environment is standardization, at least among the students of a single class. A kid should be able to show his friend something which the friend should immediately be able to do. If we just donate old computers (a worthy effort in its own right), you just don't get that effect. Also, the OLPC has been more or less designed with education and kids as a primary purpose. This makes it far more useful than just throwing your used computers at children.
Well, you *could* have RTFA instead of fakesteve... She's licensing the tech from OLPC. The patents are assigned to OLPC. She plans to further develop it, and also produce parts for OLPC at cost.
GEB should be what you give the student who shows interest in other books, not as the first thing - it's just too huge.
I think the best thing would be to not emphasize science, mathematics or anything else, but simply guide in the right direction. I'd suggest including lots of literature on problem solving and anything to do with what might be described as a 'pioneering spirit'. For example, what if kids had to read selected Sherlock Holmes stories, like say "Adventure of the Dancing Men", which is a beautiful description of cryptanalysis. It's a story that grips you, is easily accessible, has value as a work of literature and not just a way of introducing cryptanalysis,... Even if the child in question is absolutely never going to get into cryptanalysis, they still get something out of the story. Some discussion on the story later might help bring out several aspects of it also.
I don't understand this one: "Please don't waste anyone's time comparing Windows XP to Linux 2006. Compare it to Linux 2001 when talking about drivers." We're comparing currently stable windows with currently stable Linux distros. When Vista comes out, compare it with 2006 (0r 07 or 08 or 3450, when it will REALLY come out, by the looks of things) distros... Until then, XP (maybe with SP2, but XP). Anything else is specious...
I've always found that Ubuntu/Kubuntu and some other distros' biggest flaw is not being able to play mp3s out of the box. The libraries exist, decoding is not really under a lockdown (AFAIK) and you can at least use the libraries, and virtually every player supports an mp3 decoder plugin. I had no problem with it in distros like Gentoo, and it's technically trivial. So, why not expose it directly? At least, have a way of downloading the codec after warning the user or something...
Wait a sec here... Slackware? Buddy, Slackware is the distro for freaks like me who love doing that kind of stuff. I don't want autodetected drivers, I want a minimal driver set so that there's less cruft in /lib/modules. But other distros, Ubuntu, SuSE or Mandriva for example, do these things for you - try something made for a newbie before grumbling about how user-unfriendly Slackware is...
Then why does Microsoft rely on the OEMs to do it in the first place? The product is Microsoft Windows, not Dell/Microsoft Windows, and anyone who's going to use it is first going to blame Microsoft and not the OEM. These are things that exist in the natural state of affairs with the rest of the compiled modules for the Linux kernel, and we rarely need to worry about OEMs slipstreaming it in (OK, we may have to worry about distros slipstreaming it in, but that's like Microsoft doing it). So, if RedHat or SuSE can do it, why not Microsoft?
OpenOffice has OpenOffice Basic, Javascript and Beanshell. Which is quite a bit for scripting, methinks...
I've never really USED access - I mean, I've played around with it in the guise of "Basic computer training" in a hopeless Computing 101 type course in college, which was 3 parts of what we all know and 1 part of what doesn't make sense, but that doesn't tell me why it's used, and where.
Also, version 2.0 has OpenOffice Base, which I've not yet test driven, and I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway.
And I know that I'd love to use the stairs on a spacecraft! :-)
The day after the fire in a shuttle: Tonight's top headlines: Space shuttle crew dies while attempting to use the fire escape after a spark ignited the commander's shaving gel. The shuttle itself is intact.
COME ON!!!!!!!!!! Why in the world would someone waste a computer that's capable of running Windows XP (which probably means at least a Pentium with 64 MB RAM?) on an ATM? I mean, the thing is supposed to check your card, pin and then give you a load of cash... Last time I checked, that's a job for something less than an 8080, which could do the job faster, more securely, and cheaper. The right tool for the right job, people! /me rolls eyes
IIRC, most of the Burans left are chopped up into bits, and two are not even assembled. Anyway, the Buran is as dated as the shuttle, which is the entire point of building a new one... Take a look: Buran, by NASA BTW, the Clipper is being built by Energiya, which also has the Buran launcher to its credit...
Yep!
But tell me - there are people in India who have as much experience, skill and knowledge as you. Because of the cost of living here, we may work for less. Now, how are you competitive in your pricing, when we can deliver the same stuff cheaper?
Hardly...
I read the article you refer to, and it was rather shallow, I felt.
You see, caste matters now only in one or two points to do with the practice of religion. I myself am in an engineering college, and there's no relation between caste and achievement here. That is the ground reality.