Hide your head in the sand then - very scientific of you. Also, you did not site a source citation for your claim that the CO2 increase was a massive one. I guess that was just your opinion. You also did not site anything when you said the Sahara used to be larger.
So... according to the first chart, CO2 levels have gone from 300 in 1930 to 366 in 1998. Yet the 1930's was the hottest decade in the last 200 years. Doesn't seem to be a connection. I think if everyone adopted the Kyoto treaty it was supposed to drop the CO2 in the air like a tenth of a percent.
I hope you have something better than this to work with.
You like graphs? Here are a lot of them. Not "cherry-picked" like yours.
Using numbers with no context. I mean, is that a lot? Is it too much? Just because CO2 is higher than it was 100 years ago does not make it "bad". Have you ever noticed that big ball of fire in the sky we call the sun? Don't you think that minor changes in the output of the sun would have a much larger effect than trace elements in our atmosphere? And I don't just mean visible light, ever heard of solar wind?
CO2 makes up.03% of our atmosphere. I doubt it has any effect at all on our climate.
Scientists who are ADVOCATES for a particular position who also consistently ignore any potential effects of natural forces are suspect by definition.
>>Let the people who understand climate science do climate science.
Well, find me someone who understands the climate and I'll listen to them. Of course, observing the climate and studying it for a profession makes you into someone who knows a lot ABOUT the Earth's climate. Understanding it is another thing all together. There are no respectable climate scientists on either side of the issue who claim they understand what is going on; that is why making drastic changes to every facet of human life based of the latest "end of the world" fad is kind of stupid.
Remember, these are the same guys (literally in some cases) that in the last thirty years claimed that we were doomed unless we did something about:
DDT, Population growth, nuclear power, the ozone layer, total depletion of oil (1970), nuclear proliferation, and global cooling. The three things that ALL of these had in common were: They all became Cause celeb with pointy headed liberals, they all were going to destroy the Earth, and capitalism was the cause and socialism was the cure.
So where are all these nutballs now? As these nutty theories/hoaxes were disproved through the efforts of REAL scientists, the nuts just faded away. Books were written by "experts" who would conclusivly "prove" that whatever was going to be the end of this. Movies were made. Politicions RAN on this stuff. All of these were taught in COLLEGE and UNIVERSTIES.
All the previous science scares are just forgotten; liberals never learn from the past.
Get with the picture guy; this is Science we are talking about here. You are not allowed to question the hegemony. How can the democrats use the latest global scare for political advantage if people like you keep asking questions?
This is Science - you are not allowed to ask questions!
You are really missing the point. We need Obama so we have the bully pulpit to leverage pseudo-science to get the socialist reform we need to make this country better.
Now that Obama has no democrat rivals, the media will simply no longer report on any of Obama's past "issues". When republicans bring them up; we just knee-jerk out the racism charge.
It's the corporations that control the puppet president Bush! War for oil and we are destroying the sun with our greed and selfishness. I'm pretty sure that ANY act of nature that is deemed bad by the *consensus* is somehow Bush's fault, right? I know he personally caused Katrina and continental drift.
I better buy another hybrid before the sun is destroyed!
Now I'm guessing that someone who stridently rails against all forms of censorship will mod this -1 overrated or -1 troll.
Along that vein; be advised that notepad has a VERY small footprint. I think it is safe to say you can omit OO.org and Microsoft Word from your roll out. I can make a graph for you to hang up on your wall!
>> Things like the police and civil society were formed to protect us from each other
Being able to call the cops after some freak cornholes my Son is very reassuring. The purpose of the public database is so that I don't have to ask: "Why didn't anyone tell me there was a child molester moving in next door to me?"
One nutjob proactively cleaning the gene pool of a bad guy and himself is not the "smoking gun" to prove that these databases should not exist.
You do have to commit FELONY rape or molestation to get on the list! It's not like they are scanning our brains from the street and judging potential. As far as I am concerned, anyone who commits felony rape against a adult OR a child is a dangerous sociopath and should be put to death. Zero privacy concerns - everyone is happy. Especially those who would have been their next victims. Check on the recidivism rate for kiddie rapists sometime.
There is a really good reason (at leasts for me) to run MCE over MythTV: Extenders.
When MythTV or whoever has the capability for me to inexpensively share my media to all the various rooms in my home; then I will look into it.
Right now I have my beefy MCE2005 box in my basement and use three xboxen and one 360 to get to my various rooms. And I *don't* want a bunch of noisy expensive dummy PC's all over the house.
I did not see anywhere in the link you posted where it says that Scientific Method stops after a certain amount of time - there have been a lot of Scientific "facts" that have been "proven" in the past that have been shown to be utter bullshit.
To me; any actions designed to stifle dissent represent a lack of confidence in your position.
Generally those who are right INVITE discussion because they know their ideas are correct and therefore will win out.
What is going on today is closer to the how the Catholic Church stifled investigations into orbital mechanics because it would end up making them look bad.
So, who bought this new computer that was only necessary because you could not deal with the VERY well publicized and VERY well documented anti-piracy features of Windows XP? You know, the same things that have been there for FIVE years...
So who go to pay for your "victory" in your personal religious battle?
Curbing vandalism is not about "fighting" them; how about not creating them through officious and arbitrary administration? I imagine that the vast majority of your "vandals" are people who should be contributors but were handled rudely.
Perhaps some disagree with the concerted effort to suppress or soften anything that could possibly lead a reader to believe that not everyone in the world is a hard left trotski-ite. Censorship is the first choice are the hard-left academic.
Now watch this post get modded "overated" by a lefty who rails against any censorship but his own.
As a consultant who works with Macs, Windows, and Linux; I find that each has it's advantages. It would be misleading to indicate that using a Mac is a panacea for the average user.
When I see a Mac user move to windows I find that they are not used to the idea of real multitasking. There are so many things in OS X that will cause your cursor to spin and lock you out of doing anything with your computer.
*IF* you end up with one of these non "North American" you can use it effectivly with T-Mobile. They are 1900 MHz only throughout the US. I had to use them to use my XDA 2 in the US.
The parent is saying that he wants a vehicle that allows him the freedom to go where he wants without undue inconvenience. Basically the technology should empower him to meet his needs and wants.
You are saying that he should conform his needs and wants to the existing technology.
Where freedom and independence of movement is involved; I think I'd prefer not conforming to someone else's idea of what is reasonable.
Sales of alternative powered cars will be proportional to their ability to meet the needs and wants of consumers.
The American way is to put a carrot in front of the mule; the communist way is to create a narrow channel for the mule that only goes where YOU want him to go and provides for nasty shocks if he does anything different.
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Hide your head in the sand then - very scientific of you. Also, you did not site a source citation for your claim that the CO2 increase was a massive one. I guess that was just your opinion. You also did not site anything when you said the Sahara used to be larger.
So... according to the first chart, CO2 levels have gone from 300 in 1930 to 366 in 1998. Yet the 1930's was the hottest decade in the last 200 years. Doesn't seem to be a connection. I think if everyone adopted the Kyoto treaty it was supposed to drop the CO2 in the air like a tenth of a percent.
.03% of our atmosphere. I doubt it has any effect at all on our climate.
I hope you have something better than this to work with.
You like graphs? Here are a lot of them. Not "cherry-picked" like yours.
http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Proxies.html
>> Emission rate of 7 billion tons/year
Using numbers with no context. I mean, is that a lot? Is it too much? Just because CO2 is higher than it was 100 years ago does not make it "bad". Have you ever noticed that big ball of fire in the sky we call the sun? Don't you think that minor changes in the output of the sun would have a much larger effect than trace elements in our atmosphere? And I don't just mean visible light, ever heard of solar wind?
CO2 makes up
Here is another graph to feed your graph fetish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Temp-sunspot-co2.svg
Scientists who are ADVOCATES for a particular position who also consistently ignore any potential effects of natural forces are suspect by definition.
>>Let the people who understand climate science do climate science.
Well, find me someone who understands the climate and I'll listen to them. Of course, observing the climate and studying it for a profession makes you into someone who knows a lot ABOUT the Earth's climate. Understanding it is another thing all together. There are no respectable climate scientists on either side of the issue who claim they understand what is going on; that is why making drastic changes to every facet of human life based of the latest "end of the world" fad is kind of stupid.
Remember, these are the same guys (literally in some cases) that in the last thirty years claimed that we were doomed unless we did something about: DDT, Population growth, nuclear power, the ozone layer, total depletion of oil (1970), nuclear proliferation, and global cooling. The three things that ALL of these had in common were: They all became Cause celeb with pointy headed liberals, they all were going to destroy the Earth, and capitalism was the cause and socialism was the cure.
So where are all these nutballs now? As these nutty theories/hoaxes were disproved through the efforts of REAL scientists, the nuts just faded away. Books were written by "experts" who would conclusivly "prove" that whatever was going to be the end of this. Movies were made. Politicions RAN on this stuff. All of these were taught in COLLEGE and UNIVERSTIES.
All the previous science scares are just forgotten; liberals never learn from the past.
>> changing the chemistry of the atmosphere (increasing total carbon load in the atmosphere by massive amounts)
*Massive amounts?!? That sounds scary.
So... what percentage is "massive amounts"?
Obviously if you think we are making the planet hotter - that must mean that we could have kept the Sahara from getting hot; right?
What if we clean up too much and we start a Ice Age? All life on Earth could cease! Then it would be YOUR fault!
If it gets too cold; does that mean I can saw the muffler off of my car?
Get with the picture guy; this is Science we are talking about here. You are not allowed to question the hegemony. How can the democrats use the latest global scare for political advantage if people like you keep asking questions?
This is Science - you are not allowed to ask questions!
Quiet! We are not allowed to consider that climate change can happen any other way than by the existence and normal function of capitalism.
Since this subject is being politicized by the left; expect to be modded down.
False dogma cannot bear up to scrutiny or debate. There can be no humor either. So stop it.
This is Science, you are not *allowed* to ask questions!
a beowulf cluster of these .. .
We need change. It is a travesty that Teddy Kennedy had to go outside the country to get the best brain surgeon - err... wait.
You are really missing the point. We need Obama so we have the bully pulpit to leverage pseudo-science to get the socialist reform we need to make this country better.
Now that Obama has no democrat rivals, the media will simply no longer report on any of Obama's past "issues". When republicans bring them up; we just knee-jerk out the racism charge.
It's the corporations that control the puppet president Bush! War for oil and we are destroying the sun with our greed and selfishness. I'm pretty sure that ANY act of nature that is deemed bad by the *consensus* is somehow Bush's fault, right? I know he personally caused Katrina and continental drift.
I better buy another hybrid before the sun is destroyed!
Now I'm guessing that someone who stridently rails against all forms of censorship will mod this -1 overrated or -1 troll.
>> you seem to be inferring that feature-wise, IE7 is better then FF3. Care to elaborate?
Why would I want to feed a troll?
Along that vein; be advised that notepad has a VERY small footprint. I think it is safe to say you can omit OO.org and Microsoft Word from your roll out. I can make a graph for you to hang up on your wall!
>> Things like the police and civil society were formed to protect us from each other
Being able to call the cops after some freak cornholes my Son is very reassuring. The purpose of the public database is so that I don't have to ask: "Why didn't anyone tell me there was a child molester moving in next door to me?"
One nutjob proactively cleaning the gene pool of a bad guy and himself is not the "smoking gun" to prove that these databases should not exist.
You do have to commit FELONY rape or molestation to get on the list! It's not like they are scanning our brains from the street and judging potential. As far as I am concerned, anyone who commits felony rape against a adult OR a child is a dangerous sociopath and should be put to death. Zero privacy concerns - everyone is happy. Especially those who would have been their next victims. Check on the recidivism rate for kiddie rapists sometime.
$600!?! [hangs self]
There is a really good reason (at leasts for me) to run MCE over MythTV: Extenders.
When MythTV or whoever has the capability for me to inexpensively share my media to all the various rooms in my home; then I will look into it.
Right now I have my beefy MCE2005 box in my basement and use three xboxen and one 360 to get to my various rooms. And I *don't* want a bunch of noisy expensive dummy PC's all over the house.
http://www.factcheck.org/article261.html
I did not see anywhere in the link you posted where it says that Scientific Method stops after a certain amount of time - there have been a lot of Scientific "facts" that have been "proven" in the past that have been shown to be utter bullshit.
To me; any actions designed to stifle dissent represent a lack of confidence in your position.
Generally those who are right INVITE discussion because they know their ideas are correct and therefore will win out.
What is going on today is closer to the how the Catholic Church stifled investigations into orbital mechanics because it would end up making them look bad.
I built a Space Robot that pushes people down stairs. A shover robot also. This is my terrible secret.
So, who bought this new computer that was only necessary because you could not deal with the VERY well publicized and VERY well documented anti-piracy features of Windows XP? You know, the same things that have been there for FIVE years...
So who go to pay for your "victory" in your personal religious battle?
I have this now installed in my dual core AMD and the difference is noticable. X is noticable faster, as is my video editing stuff. Good work guys!
Curbing vandalism is not about "fighting" them; how about not creating them through officious and arbitrary administration? I imagine that the vast majority of your "vandals" are people who should be contributors but were handled rudely.
Perhaps some disagree with the concerted effort to suppress or soften anything that could possibly lead a reader to believe that not everyone in the world is a hard left trotski-ite. Censorship is the first choice are the hard-left academic.
Now watch this post get modded "overated" by a lefty who rails against any censorship but his own.
Bob and Tom rule....
As a consultant who works with Macs, Windows, and Linux; I find that each has it's advantages. It would be misleading to indicate that using a Mac is a panacea for the average user.
When I see a Mac user move to windows I find that they are not used to the idea of real multitasking. There are so many things in OS X that will cause your cursor to spin and lock you out of doing anything with your computer.
*IF* you end up with one of these non "North American" you can use it effectivly with T-Mobile. They are 1900 MHz only throughout the US. I had to use them to use my XDA 2 in the US.
I'll translate for both of you:
The parent is saying that he wants a vehicle that allows him the freedom to go where he wants without undue inconvenience. Basically the technology should empower him to meet his needs and wants.
You are saying that he should conform his needs and wants to the existing technology.
Where freedom and independence of movement is involved; I think I'd prefer not conforming to someone else's idea of what is reasonable.
Sales of alternative powered cars will be proportional to their ability to meet the needs and wants of consumers.
Hey Trotsky, they ARE paying more! They pay more for gas becaus ethey use more. They pay more in taxes because they use more.
Liberals always end up with the same point of view, and take the same route to get there:
suggest, recommend, shun, urge, require, force, coerce, punish.
The American way is to put a carrot in front of the mule; the communist way is to create a narrow channel for the mule that only goes where YOU want him to go and provides for nasty shocks if he does anything different.