/me orbits Hans like the annoying nub frig tackler pilot he is (slowly growing out of it =) and seconds everything he has to say.
I wondered whether there would be any HF represented in this thread!
One benefit of the real time training that has been huge for me lately is that when real life doesn't allow much time for gaming it is far easier to "keep up" in EVE than it was in WoW. This is due to one objective and one subjective factor. Real time training means that my character really is improving even though I have barely had time to log on lately. The fuzzier reason is that roles are much more flexible. I can come back when I have more free time and immediately be useful rather than discovering that friends have out-leveled me or picked up a new caster/healer/tank to take my place.
Several people have noted this, but almost all of those complaining about the game in this thread obviously never got into the meat of the game: the interaction of players, corporations and alliances in 0.0 space. EVE is a grand experiment in self-governing systems and the results are often tremendously intricate and entertaining. I loved the world that Blizzard created for WoW, but EVE's deeper gameplay and the fact that whether my friends and I succeed or fail actually affects the EVE universe won me over.
This almost strikes me as trollish in its simplicity, but allow me to point out the obvious:
It is already difficult to play many Win95, DOS and older games. I am fairly confident that the staying power of a literary work that has been translated into every significant living language on earth as well as adapted to stage and film multiple timees over is greater than that of any one-shot, one-platform (emulators aside) digital work.
Granted, there may well be some point in the future where 'War & Peace' is no longer regarded as anything more than a minor footnote. However, that time is so far off as to be meaningless, especially with respect to this thread and its focus on a much more transient media.
...seems to have stalled deades ago there is no golden age. we're human, always have been, and always will be. bastardly lot, but the world wouldn't be any fun without us.
why is it that in many circles it is taken as a given that once we create an AI they will immediately be able to turn around and develop more-better-faster AI in an exponential explosion that will leave human intelligence in the dust? no matter what your view on human development, there are millenia of groundwork behind us leading to this past century where we have been able to hold up the conceit that we just might be able to create something that stands apart from us. by what logic does one more step along that path magically remove all previous resistance? self-improvement comes by repeated effort against resistance, even if that resistance is only that of inertia. seems to me that while the idea can make for some good fiction (ie 'The Stone Canal' - Ken MacLeod) it is just the far off dinner bell for a free lunch...
IANAS(NMOAW...Y) I am not a scientist (Nor much of a writer...yet)
i came to the same conclusion, but from a different starting point
i don't trust Google any more than i trust any body of people ("A person is smart; people are dumb panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - MiB) however, they are being open about what they are doing, which engenders something like trust: respect.
Capitalism does not magically end at the US border.
In other words; you expect a company to hire the people willing and able to do the job for the least money here in the country, what changes when that person is across a political border?
"The citizen most adept at being heard by the developers/lawmakers isn't always the most representative."
Not to take anything away from your (valid) point, but neither is the overwhelming direction of a thread in a forum necessarily representative. Quick and dirty examples from recent/. threads: the prevelance of 'why the name change' posts in the Firefox 0.8 announcement and the impassioned responders to the "What the Internet Isn't" thread who missed the low-level focus of the original essay entirely.
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Thank you for the link, that was an excellent read!
/me orbits Hans like the annoying nub frig tackler pilot he is (slowly growing out of it =) and seconds everything he has to say.
I wondered whether there would be any HF represented in this thread!
One benefit of the real time training that has been huge for me lately is that when real life doesn't allow much time for gaming it is far easier to "keep up" in EVE than it was in WoW. This is due to one objective and one subjective factor. Real time training means that my character really is improving even though I have barely had time to log on lately. The fuzzier reason is that roles are much more flexible. I can come back when I have more free time and immediately be useful rather than discovering that friends have out-leveled me or picked up a new caster/healer/tank to take my place.
Several people have noted this, but almost all of those complaining about the game in this thread obviously never got into the meat of the game: the interaction of players, corporations and alliances in 0.0 space. EVE is a grand experiment in self-governing systems and the results are often tremendously intricate and entertaining. I loved the world that Blizzard created for WoW, but EVE's deeper gameplay and the fact that whether my friends and I succeed or fail actually affects the EVE universe won me over.
Sham Gaud
Ars Caelestis
Huzzah Federation
This almost strikes me as trollish in its simplicity, but allow me to point out the obvious:
It is already difficult to play many Win95, DOS and older games. I am fairly confident that the staying power of a literary work that has been translated into every significant living language on earth as well as adapted to stage and film multiple timees over is greater than that of any one-shot, one-platform (emulators aside) digital work.
Granted, there may well be some point in the future where 'War & Peace' is no longer regarded as anything more than a minor footnote. However, that time is so far off as to be meaningless, especially with respect to this thread and its focus on a much more transient media.
...seems to have stalled deades ago there is no golden age. we're human, always have been, and always will be. bastardly lot, but the world wouldn't be any fun without us.
(that said, otherwise a very intelligent comment)
why is it that in many circles it is taken as a given that once we create an AI they will immediately be able to turn around and develop more-better-faster AI in an exponential explosion that will leave human intelligence in the dust? no matter what your view on human development, there are millenia of groundwork behind us leading to this past century where we have been able to hold up the conceit that we just might be able to create something that stands apart from us. by what logic does one more step along that path magically remove all previous resistance? self-improvement comes by repeated effort against resistance, even if that resistance is only that of inertia. seems to me that while the idea can make for some good fiction (ie 'The Stone Canal' - Ken MacLeod) it is just the far off dinner bell for a free lunch...
IANAS(NMOAW...Y) I am not a scientist (Nor much of a writer...yet)
Lewis Carroll's work is not average children's literature for his (or any other) time.
So how exactly do we manage to become "Q's" if we only have a max of 200 years of development to go?
'"Evil company X is threatening to restrict our rights! Let's all get together to stop--OOOH! SHINEY!!!" -- AC'
i dont know if that is your sig or just the last line of the post, but that is the best summation of this (admittedly interesting) discussion yet!
i came to the same conclusion, but from a different starting point
i don't trust Google any more than i trust any body of people ("A person is smart; people are dumb panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - MiB) however, they are being open about what they are doing, which engenders something like trust: respect.
Capitalism does not magically end at the US border.
In other words; you expect a company to hire the people willing and able to do the job for the least money here in the country, what changes when that person is across a political border?
"The citizen most adept at being heard by the developers/lawmakers isn't always the most representative."
/. threads: the prevelance of 'why the name change' posts in the Firefox 0.8 announcement and the impassioned responders to the "What the Internet Isn't" thread who missed the low-level focus of the original essay entirely.
Not to take anything away from your (valid) point, but neither is the overwhelming direction of a thread in a forum necessarily representative. Quick and dirty examples from recent
We proudly watch them, and wish them the best... They will after all be OUR children!