The link doesn't answer the question as to whether that 55% and 70% is from the total of people who were interviewed or the total of people who got the job. If it's the latter then that's bad news for people who do negotiate. Also it's going to depend on the position and past experience. A recent graduation with no work history doesn't have much to negotiate with and it could be a race to the bottom if the employer considers all recent graduates to be equivalent. In other situations there is a lot more room to negotiate.
With respect, many newbies don't even have remotely as much as what you suggest as the low end. Six months living expenses in the bank before that first job? Only if Daddy can gift it to you.
Most people are terrible at salary negotiation. Based on various studies with some degree of variance, overall they suggest about 55% of men do not negotiate their wages, and about 70% of women do not negotiate their wages. That is NO NEGOTIATION AT ALL.
It's age old and about positions of power. When unemployed there's a strong desire not to risk rejection of a chance to get scraps from the Lord's table by asking for more scraps or better quality scraps. Risk takers can get that higher salary or they can get shown the door. The outcome is not always obvious. It seems to be easier to negotiate terms for a job you don't want since you are not so worried about pushing things too far and losing the chance.
That's fine but it doesn't really help with "what-do-you-wish-youd-known-starting-your-first-real-job". Negotiating salary for that first job is an exercise in trying to get screwed over as little as possible since a typical line taken is that the applicant is worthless due to no employment history in that field, and some utter bastards will really push that view on the kids who are just starting out. Then they say something about being "generous" to the "worthless" applicant and offer as low as they can. It is of course all lies to trick the applicants into a race to the bottom - if they thought the applicants were "worthless" they wouldn't have made it to the interview.
Sadly the even worse loser is the one that doesn't play their game and gets shown the door. In a lot of places they only employ recent grads because they can screw them over for salary, but where else is a recent grad going to get a job? If you have part time work doing something unrelated to your study that can keep you going long enough to be able to refuse those that want to screw you over more than most or the dead end posts where they chew through recent grads and offer no chance for advancement. That first job is probably going to be very disappointing but you need something on the C.V. to show that you are capable of working in your field of study a living.
So who is going to jail for violating it when it's off the books? The same guys that didn't go to jail when they were caught breaking the law by torturing people?
You don't have to be the best in the world to point out a mistake made made by a complete outsider way out of their depth making weird suggestions. An undergraduate half way through first semester in any science subject, or a well read high school student is going to be enough on average for what is going on here.
Deceitful? You are the one who put up the link about the criminal that changed fields to avoid detection, and suggested that was an example of how hard it was to detect such criminals. If it was as you suggest he wouldn't have had to change fields would he?
Here's a bit on the first commercial shape-memory alloy with a fair bit explaining how they are driven by phase transformations - cool stuff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_titanium
That's not relevant since the original photographer didn't sell the rights while John Fogerty did. Stupid situation and an abuse of the legal system - yes. The same thing - no.
They were not paid their promised severance pay. Many posters here of the Libertarian bent for some reason think they should have just rolled over and given up "for the greater good", which is very funny because if it happened to them personally they would be demanding their rights as an individual.
Goldman Sachs is how "Greece became Greece", so yes, connected, but not to a software company in France but instead insane Wall Street guys that played at being Venetian Merchant Princes on their time off. They really were extremely weird and extremely controlling of their mid level execs and their families.
Not really important when you are so obviously out of your depth on this topic. I suggest you consider your background and your qualifications and not profess expertise that you do not have in areas that you know little about - so little in fact that you suggested that publicly funded science is "cargo cult science" and then cannot understand why such a statement is not considered constructive criticism. So maybe I called you coder boy when you can't do that either - it doesn't matter, what does is you are well out of touch with reality with your suggestions on some imaginary crisis in science and imaginary cures for it.
With Russia's invasion of Ukraine not going quite as planned
How do we know that? Putin has troops there but gets to deny he has, which is a bit harder to do if he sends in entire regiments. It's a very shitty situation for everyone apart from Putin - he's an evil bastard but he's still getting treated as if he has not invaded Ukraine because of the way it's been done.
The problem is the sanctions imposed on Russia for its invasion are hurting its ability to pay its people
The oil price is probably causing a lot more pain.
there is cooperation with the West who can provide technical guidance in these matters.
On every topic other than rockets I would agree with you, but in the case of rockets it's US companies that are buying Russian rocket motors and not the other way around.
then suggesting that a scientist need need never recuse himself is asinine.
Perhaps if you consider the situation to be like a retail checkout operator who has someone else check the cash float and sales figures at the end of the day. Fraud is hard in that situation and it is analogous to peer review and others repeating your work as part of starting theirs that builds on yours.
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In large places maybe, but in smaller ones you can't afford to be so timid and you have to be the person that is stupid enough to tackle it.
The link doesn't answer the question as to whether that 55% and 70% is from the total of people who were interviewed or the total of people who got the job. If it's the latter then that's bad news for people who do negotiate.
Also it's going to depend on the position and past experience. A recent graduation with no work history doesn't have much to negotiate with and it could be a race to the bottom if the employer considers all recent graduates to be equivalent. In other situations there is a lot more room to negotiate.
With respect, many newbies don't even have remotely as much as what you suggest as the low end. Six months living expenses in the bank before that first job? Only if Daddy can gift it to you.
It's age old and about positions of power. When unemployed there's a strong desire not to risk rejection of a chance to get scraps from the Lord's table by asking for more scraps or better quality scraps.
Risk takers can get that higher salary or they can get shown the door. The outcome is not always obvious. It seems to be easier to negotiate terms for a job you don't want since you are not so worried about pushing things too far and losing the chance.
That's fine but it doesn't really help with "what-do-you-wish-youd-known-starting-your-first-real-job".
Negotiating salary for that first job is an exercise in trying to get screwed over as little as possible since a typical line taken is that the applicant is worthless due to no employment history in that field, and some utter bastards will really push that view on the kids who are just starting out. Then they say something about being "generous" to the "worthless" applicant and offer as low as they can.
It is of course all lies to trick the applicants into a race to the bottom - if they thought the applicants were "worthless" they wouldn't have made it to the interview.
Sadly the even worse loser is the one that doesn't play their game and gets shown the door.
In a lot of places they only employ recent grads because they can screw them over for salary, but where else is a recent grad going to get a job? If you have part time work doing something unrelated to your study that can keep you going long enough to be able to refuse those that want to screw you over more than most or the dead end posts where they chew through recent grads and offer no chance for advancement.
That first job is probably going to be very disappointing but you need something on the C.V. to show that you are capable of working in your field of study a living.
So who is going to jail for violating it when it's off the books? The same guys that didn't go to jail when they were caught breaking the law by torturing people?
I thought it moved to distributed malware? Make someone else pay for the watts powering your attempt to come in late to a pyramid scheme.
Turns out the difference is some stuff some people use and are willing to pay more for but others don't need at all. See also the earlier Tesla cards.
You don't have to be the best in the world to point out a mistake made made by a complete outsider way out of their depth making weird suggestions. An undergraduate half way through first semester in any science subject, or a well read high school student is going to be enough on average for what is going on here.
Deceitful?
You are the one who put up the link about the criminal that changed fields to avoid detection, and suggested that was an example of how hard it was to detect such criminals. If it was as you suggest he wouldn't have had to change fields would he?
Here's a bit on the first commercial shape-memory alloy with a fair bit explaining how they are driven by phase transformations - cool stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_titanium
Actually the magic here is we can do stuff like this far better than we used to be able to do 50 years ago.
That's not relevant since the original photographer didn't sell the rights while John Fogerty did.
Stupid situation and an abuse of the legal system - yes.
The same thing - no.
It's no big surprise to see even something like a phone box in a major art gallery :)
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They were not paid their promised severance pay.
Many posters here of the Libertarian bent for some reason think they should have just rolled over and given up "for the greater good", which is very funny because if it happened to them personally they would be demanding their rights as an individual.
Looking at the liquidation auctions, most definitely a lot more than 10 cents on the dollar.
Goldman Sachs is how "Greece became Greece", so yes, connected, but not to a software company in France but instead insane Wall Street guys that played at being Venetian Merchant Princes on their time off. They really were extremely weird and extremely controlling of their mid level execs and their families.
What is one criminal supposed to prove? Does Manson prove we are all serial killers?
Not really important when you are so obviously out of your depth on this topic. I suggest you consider your background and your qualifications and not profess expertise that you do not have in areas that you know little about - so little in fact that you suggested that publicly funded science is "cargo cult science" and then cannot understand why such a statement is not considered constructive criticism.
So maybe I called you coder boy when you can't do that either - it doesn't matter, what does is you are well out of touch with reality with your suggestions on some imaginary crisis in science and imaginary cures for it.
Not as such when your initial assumptions are completely wrong. It's just ignorant insults and stabs in the dark like your stupid barium meal idea.
Peer fucking review coder boy.
How do we know that? Putin has troops there but gets to deny he has, which is a bit harder to do if he sends in entire regiments. It's a very shitty situation for everyone apart from Putin - he's an evil bastard but he's still getting treated as if he has not invaded Ukraine because of the way it's been done.
The oil price is probably causing a lot more pain.
On every topic other than rockets I would agree with you, but in the case of rockets it's US companies that are buying Russian rocket motors and not the other way around.
Perhaps if you consider the situation to be like a retail checkout operator who has someone else check the cash float and sales figures at the end of the day. Fraud is hard in that situation and it is analogous to peer review and others repeating your work as part of starting theirs that builds on yours.
You may not be an idiot but your suggestion shows you do not have a grasp on what we are discussing.