Instead of putting out bait to encourage people to have a go at fragile systems what about hardening the stuff you've got or put it in segments behind stuff you can harden? Putting out fragile honeypots can lead to wasting time on the merely curious who are no real threat to systems that are not fragile.
I'm in the same environment but with clusters. Glueing lots of things together in an interpreted environment is very useful but isn't everything because it usually comes with a speed cost, which while irrelevant in some situations it can consume hours per run in others. Some libraries/tools can take away a lot of the pain (eg. NumPy) but the more your interpreted stuff does the more it becomes clear that seemingly arbitrary blocking conditions are stopping it from doing anything useful for annoyingly long periods of time. I hit that problem frequently with a dotnet developer who is always complaining about "the network" when his tiny and trivial application runs dog slow instead of having the instant response you'd expect with 1.2MB of data in a CSV. He stopped letting me look at his code after I ran it with the data on the same machine and it was still dog slow (user staring at a blank screen for ten seconds or so, just like with the "network" problem). In that case things have been glued together very badly.
Offtopic a bit maybe, but the big problem of the larger "word processors" is that they try to supply half of a full desktop publishing system as well and it's not the useful half. You can spam pictures all over a page but can't place them precisely - you have to fuck about with other settings and hope they wobble into place. IMHO it's the feature creep where the word processors approach DTP without getting there that gives that 90% that is marginally useful. Similarly with IDE's that try to approach LabView but never get there - mainly because somebody points out that a LabView GUI is almost limited to a write-only approach for small and well organised bits of code and an unreadable spaghetti explosion beyond a certain size and complexity.
GP needs to stop playing daddy and let the newbs grow by fixing the problems themselves.
That's when you find users that don't exist in the group files (due to typos) and then when that didn't work a "fix" of setting the permissions of entire systems wide open. Next step some script kiddie has owned the system. Newbs are often such newbs that they do not know that they should be making their stupid early mistakes on development systems (like we all did) instead of fucking up production systems for everyone - that's one reason to give them a hand even if you are entirely selfish.
Used to use it on Xenix (a LOT) for general text and used it to do a Solaris root password reset about ten years ago but I'd never voluntarily go back if vi is available.
Gedit is so slow to start that it has been used as a strawman as to "why X is bad" instead of the more accurate "why is this new gnome stuff so much slower than the old gnome stuff?"
Ultimately my example was about: "level of incompetence and lack of planning is strong in several levels", as you suggested but it was driven that way by the new vendor having far too much control over the situation and no risk to bear in the event of failure. The government took them to court twice (outgoing and incoming - Queensland, Australia) and could not scratch that vendor (IBM) for any of the $500 million+ in estimated extra costs.
Yes - poor diddums was upset they caught him selling weapons to terrorists and embezzling some of the proceeds to pay for a convertible and house airconditioning. Poor little Ollie North. Funny how people see him as a "patriot". I wonder what the families of the Marines killed by Hezbolla thought of him selling weapons to them less than a year after the Marines were buried?
If computers fails, have people forgot how to do the same process manually?
Yes. As an example. I've been rushed to a steel mill rolling line with a pocket calculator because the operators were not taught how to divide the number on the dial of the test machine by the cross sectional area of the rod that they had measured the diameter of - they were just told to manually enter those two numbers into the computer. By knowing how to calculate the area of a circle I was saving downtime of hundreds of thousands of dollars per hour - which is pathetic on so many levels since the operators also knew how to find the area of a circle but nobody had told them that's what the computer was doing. They had only been told that the process was to put two numbers into a computer.
It's not about stupid operators/counter staff it's about relying on fragile links with no workaround when they break. There's also the fear of taking responsibility - it's seen as safer for the supervisor of all those staff to say "nothing should be done" than to work around the problem.
There are sometimes very "political" problems that prevent rollback because for instance that means buying more time on the licences from an earlier vendor when the new vendor is heavily embedded with the management that are driving the change. Such a problem in my state resulted in such an enormous fuckup in Hospital payroll systems with no rollback that there was real political fallout - after the bill went beyond 500 million the government lost office to be replaced by a bunch of baby fascists led by a Pocket Putin.
And the witches McCarthy were far more dangerous and worthy of being hunted
Ah yes, like that dangerous playwright who was offered a way out if his wife, Marilyn Monroe, agreed to be photographed with McCarthy for political promotional material. That was one part of the witch hunt, in that case more accurately called a shakedown.
It was an utterly worthless grab at power by an immoral, corrupt and ultimately cowardly man who wanted to skew the political playing field in his direction when opposed by a large number of far more worthy candidates for President from both parties. It's just as well that he bit off more than he could chew by getting a lot of special favors for one of his friends in the military and then attempting to prove that General Marshall (of the Marshall plan and a lot of other things, such as running a big chunk of WWII) was a communist. His stupid stunt meant to send him into the White House was exposed for what it was - a power grab by a man who had achieved very little in his life attempting to drag down others who had and make himself look bigger.
So do you think he had a list of spies like he said he did? Why didn't he hand them over then? Wouldn't it be a bit like treason to have a list of foreign spies and not hand it over to law enforcement?
But don't worry, they're already exporting that success model. We're getting there. And, frankly, when I look around me, how people pay for "services" that hardly qualify as a service because they're too closed minded to even fathom how they could do it themselves for free and at little if any expense and effort, I dare say we're already there.
I don't see how we can point the finger when most of us don't personally change the oil and oil filters in our cars.
However remember the FBI was too incompetent back then to remember to bring handcuffs to the arrest of "public enemy number one". A necktie had to do the job. And then they fell for the scam of the "lie detector" - or did they really fall for it or was Hoover just accepting yet another kickback before spending Government money? What you see today is nothing like it was back then.
Ever wondered why there is the phrase "stateful firewall"? It's as if that wasn't the only kind of firewall isn't it:) The way you are using a list of allowed ports and hosts is a non-stateful firewall, just like very simple ipchains/iptables/ipfilter rules.
Escalate the situation up the tree until it reaches someone with a clue, or who can take advice from someone with a clue. I had some phone system idiot that wanted to be able to telnet directly in without needing a password. The problem was almost self corrected forever when he took a open can of drink into the server room and put it down on a 5kW UPS. He muttered something about earth leakage circuit breakers upon being informed about how suicidal that was, totally unaware that 5kW of DC shorting directly through him would not have gone anywhere near such a thing. Similarly the vendor mentioned here is expressing a view beyond their skill level.
In my example above that should never have happened it was all perfectly legal but pissed off a shareholder of the "indie" record company and threatened their control of the market. In the current situation both ripping and downloading is opposed, once again not really on legal grounds but because it threatens control. As written above "Ripping a CD for your own use is legal" - which is perfectly true in a lot of places, so there should be no legal grounds to oppose this music player in vehicles, it's effectively just the ripping bit of iTunes in a car. However it threatens control of a market so legal grounds are being searched for and it's seen as being a softer target than Apple.
That's the trick - convince salesfolk that there is no money in your pockets and you are dead to them. Sometimes it's worth them thinking you are an utter loser just so that they will leave you alone. Asking telemarketers if there are any jobs available where they are used to be a good one - until those jobs moved offshore and now the trick no longer works.
Imagine it's 1987. The local "indie" record company and the local record shops get together and roll out (incredibly expensive) CD burners that can burn discs of whatever the customers want from the catalogue of that "indie" record company for the price of a normal albumn. Launch day happened and suddenly everyone's knee deep in lawyers and the police are chasing customers out of the shop - the parent record company called the cops on their partly owned "indie" record company that turned out to not be as "indie" as everyone thought (especially after they owed a lot in legal costs). There's been decades to stop the idiocy. People are ripping and downloading because of many missed opportunities, missed due to short term greed.
Yes there is that one and the French Mirage Jet way back, but that specific one I mentioned ruffled enough feathers to result in the US Senate spending a bit of time on it.
That time around 2000 with the tank targeting system was a true moment of black comedy when after that US technology was supplied from Israel to China it was mass produced and on-sold to Iran. However blaming "Israel" for that one is like blaming the USA for Charles Manson - criminals exist and the thing was apparently stolen.
a stateful firewall will somehow prevent windows users running god knows what malware on their web connected desktop machines
In the old days such machines were considered potentially hostile and not allowed on the same network as the production/process line machines. Sometimes you'd have something on both networks to carefully feed apropriate information to the potentially virus ridden machines that were used to type up reports. Now we've got malware far beyond the dreams of those "paranoid" days yet things are left wide open - so what do you expect when another report comes out of outsiders stealing the crown jewels?
The difference is that if either project is abandoned there's still the source code of the environment to work with so it can be tweaked to run indefinitely. With various VB versions or similar fully closed source environments you are stuck with whatever it ran on at the time of abandonment with zero chance of being able to run it on something newer - hence the Win2k. I've got other abandoned software of the same vintage running on the most recent Solaris because it was not written in fucking VB so is immune to the MS only problem of DLL hell (though it was written for sparc, so that is still limiting).
Forget all that - just give us a Ghiblifactory. Little electric cars are not the ideal future. Instead give us a cat bus running along the top of power transmission lines:)
It'll be interesting to see where C# is in 10 years.
Abandoned like every other version of an MS language unless there is a large, organised and mostly independent C# community outside of Microsoft. The developers versus marketers situation in MS means internally they are going to be trying to push "the next big thing" and abandon what they already have unless there are a lot of external successes that the developers can dazzle the marketers with.
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Instead of putting out bait to encourage people to have a go at fragile systems what about hardening the stuff you've got or put it in segments behind stuff you can harden? Putting out fragile honeypots can lead to wasting time on the merely curious who are no real threat to systems that are not fragile.
I'm in the same environment but with clusters. Glueing lots of things together in an interpreted environment is very useful but isn't everything because it usually comes with a speed cost, which while irrelevant in some situations it can consume hours per run in others. Some libraries/tools can take away a lot of the pain (eg. NumPy) but the more your interpreted stuff does the more it becomes clear that seemingly arbitrary blocking conditions are stopping it from doing anything useful for annoyingly long periods of time.
I hit that problem frequently with a dotnet developer who is always complaining about "the network" when his tiny and trivial application runs dog slow instead of having the instant response you'd expect with 1.2MB of data in a CSV. He stopped letting me look at his code after I ran it with the data on the same machine and it was still dog slow (user staring at a blank screen for ten seconds or so, just like with the "network" problem). In that case things have been glued together very badly.
Offtopic a bit maybe, but the big problem of the larger "word processors" is that they try to supply half of a full desktop publishing system as well and it's not the useful half. You can spam pictures all over a page but can't place them precisely - you have to fuck about with other settings and hope they wobble into place.
IMHO it's the feature creep where the word processors approach DTP without getting there that gives that 90% that is marginally useful.
Similarly with IDE's that try to approach LabView but never get there - mainly because somebody points out that a LabView GUI is almost limited to a write-only approach for small and well organised bits of code and an unreadable spaghetti explosion beyond a certain size and complexity.
That's when you find users that don't exist in the group files (due to typos) and then when that didn't work a "fix" of setting the permissions of entire systems wide open. Next step some script kiddie has owned the system.
Newbs are often such newbs that they do not know that they should be making their stupid early mistakes on development systems (like we all did) instead of fucking up production systems for everyone - that's one reason to give them a hand even if you are entirely selfish.
Used to use it on Xenix (a LOT) for general text and used it to do a Solaris root password reset about ten years ago but I'd never voluntarily go back if vi is available.
Just like political cartoons and a pile of three panel strips. It's what they do.
Gedit is so slow to start that it has been used as a strawman as to "why X is bad" instead of the more accurate "why is this new gnome stuff so much slower than the old gnome stuff?"
Ultimately my example was about: "level of incompetence and lack of planning is strong in several levels", as you suggested but it was driven that way by the new vendor having far too much control over the situation and no risk to bear in the event of failure.
The government took them to court twice (outgoing and incoming - Queensland, Australia) and could not scratch that vendor (IBM) for any of the $500 million+ in estimated extra costs.
Yes - poor diddums was upset they caught him selling weapons to terrorists and embezzling some of the proceeds to pay for a convertible and house airconditioning. Poor little Ollie North.
Funny how people see him as a "patriot". I wonder what the families of the Marines killed by Hezbolla thought of him selling weapons to them less than a year after the Marines were buried?
Yes.
As an example. I've been rushed to a steel mill rolling line with a pocket calculator because the operators were not taught how to divide the number on the dial of the test machine by the cross sectional area of the rod that they had measured the diameter of - they were just told to manually enter those two numbers into the computer. By knowing how to calculate the area of a circle I was saving downtime of hundreds of thousands of dollars per hour - which is pathetic on so many levels since the operators also knew how to find the area of a circle but nobody had told them that's what the computer was doing. They had only been told that the process was to put two numbers into a computer.
It's not about stupid operators/counter staff it's about relying on fragile links with no workaround when they break. There's also the fear of taking responsibility - it's seen as safer for the supervisor of all those staff to say "nothing should be done" than to work around the problem.
There are sometimes very "political" problems that prevent rollback because for instance that means buying more time on the licences from an earlier vendor when the new vendor is heavily embedded with the management that are driving the change. Such a problem in my state resulted in such an enormous fuckup in Hospital payroll systems with no rollback that there was real political fallout - after the bill went beyond 500 million the government lost office to be replaced by a bunch of baby fascists led by a Pocket Putin.
Ah yes, like that dangerous playwright who was offered a way out if his wife, Marilyn Monroe, agreed to be photographed with McCarthy for political promotional material. That was one part of the witch hunt, in that case more accurately called a shakedown.
It was an utterly worthless grab at power by an immoral, corrupt and ultimately cowardly man who wanted to skew the political playing field in his direction when opposed by a large number of far more worthy candidates for President from both parties. It's just as well that he bit off more than he could chew by getting a lot of special favors for one of his friends in the military and then attempting to prove that General Marshall (of the Marshall plan and a lot of other things, such as running a big chunk of WWII) was a communist. His stupid stunt meant to send him into the White House was exposed for what it was - a power grab by a man who had achieved very little in his life attempting to drag down others who had and make himself look bigger.
So do you think he had a list of spies like he said he did? Why didn't he hand them over then? Wouldn't it be a bit like treason to have a list of foreign spies and not hand it over to law enforcement?
I don't see how we can point the finger when most of us don't personally change the oil and oil filters in our cars.
However remember the FBI was too incompetent back then to remember to bring handcuffs to the arrest of "public enemy number one". A necktie had to do the job.
And then they fell for the scam of the "lie detector" - or did they really fall for it or was Hoover just accepting yet another kickback before spending Government money?
What you see today is nothing like it was back then.
Ever wondered why there is the phrase "stateful firewall"? It's as if that wasn't the only kind of firewall isn't it :)
The way you are using a list of allowed ports and hosts is a non-stateful firewall, just like very simple ipchains/iptables/ipfilter rules.
Escalate the situation up the tree until it reaches someone with a clue, or who can take advice from someone with a clue.
I had some phone system idiot that wanted to be able to telnet directly in without needing a password. The problem was almost self corrected forever when he took a open can of drink into the server room and put it down on a 5kW UPS. He muttered something about earth leakage circuit breakers upon being informed about how suicidal that was, totally unaware that 5kW of DC shorting directly through him would not have gone anywhere near such a thing.
Similarly the vendor mentioned here is expressing a view beyond their skill level.
In my example above that should never have happened it was all perfectly legal but pissed off a shareholder of the "indie" record company and threatened their control of the market. In the current situation both ripping and downloading is opposed, once again not really on legal grounds but because it threatens control.
As written above "Ripping a CD for your own use is legal" - which is perfectly true in a lot of places, so there should be no legal grounds to oppose this music player in vehicles, it's effectively just the ripping bit of iTunes in a car. However it threatens control of a market so legal grounds are being searched for and it's seen as being a softer target than Apple.
That's the trick - convince salesfolk that there is no money in your pockets and you are dead to them. Sometimes it's worth them thinking you are an utter loser just so that they will leave you alone.
Asking telemarketers if there are any jobs available where they are used to be a good one - until those jobs moved offshore and now the trick no longer works.
Imagine it's 1987. The local "indie" record company and the local record shops get together and roll out (incredibly expensive) CD burners that can burn discs of whatever the customers want from the catalogue of that "indie" record company for the price of a normal albumn. Launch day happened and suddenly everyone's knee deep in lawyers and the police are chasing customers out of the shop - the parent record company called the cops on their partly owned "indie" record company that turned out to not be as "indie" as everyone thought (especially after they owed a lot in legal costs).
There's been decades to stop the idiocy. People are ripping and downloading because of many missed opportunities, missed due to short term greed.
Yes there is that one and the French Mirage Jet way back, but that specific one I mentioned ruffled enough feathers to result in the US Senate spending a bit of time on it.
That time around 2000 with the tank targeting system was a true moment of black comedy when after that US technology was supplied from Israel to China it was mass produced and on-sold to Iran.
However blaming "Israel" for that one is like blaming the USA for Charles Manson - criminals exist and the thing was apparently stolen.
In the old days such machines were considered potentially hostile and not allowed on the same network as the production/process line machines. Sometimes you'd have something on both networks to carefully feed apropriate information to the potentially virus ridden machines that were used to type up reports.
Now we've got malware far beyond the dreams of those "paranoid" days yet things are left wide open - so what do you expect when another report comes out of outsiders stealing the crown jewels?
The difference is that if either project is abandoned there's still the source code of the environment to work with so it can be tweaked to run indefinitely.
With various VB versions or similar fully closed source environments you are stuck with whatever it ran on at the time of abandonment with zero chance of being able to run it on something newer - hence the Win2k. I've got other abandoned software of the same vintage running on the most recent Solaris because it was not written in fucking VB so is immune to the MS only problem of DLL hell (though it was written for sparc, so that is still limiting).
Forget all that - just give us a Ghiblifactory. Little electric cars are not the ideal future. Instead give us a cat bus running along the top of power transmission lines :)
Abandoned like every other version of an MS language unless there is a large, organised and mostly independent C# community outside of Microsoft. The developers versus marketers situation in MS means internally they are going to be trying to push "the next big thing" and abandon what they already have unless there are a lot of external successes that the developers can dazzle the marketers with.