It's actually a bit of a difficult question because of the strange way US corporations have encouraged the law to treat them like people, strange but usually very much to their benefit. It backfires in situations like this.
Fair enough - but what exactly is your point? The word "memory" implies a time scale far beyond what you are going on about which is why it's been difficult to distinguish you from "homeopathic" gibberish ("making it passable for medicals" - WTF?). It's difficult enough to get water to flow the correct way down a plughole without considering your vastly weaker interactions once gravity and thermal gradients get things flowing, so why is anything you've mentioned back up this silly water memory idea? Beyond a very short time scale it's as unlikely as unscrambling an egg.
Sometimes a fucking stupid and insulting comment should be called something stronger than "not quite right" after the first polite attempt, especially if it's as inaccurate and downright offensive as "there is no food to distribute". You had your first polite reply, which was ignored, so why complain about someone being blunt enough to get a message across if that's what it takes?
The USA - land of the 1930s dust bowl, obviously no food to distribute so no need for internet - or is it not obvious at all and a fucking stupid suggestion way out of touch by decades? Yours is equivalent.
There seems to be a bit of a disconnection here. I simply pointed out the problem where some Iranians and Saudis are sending weapons just like that dickhead who used to run the NSA sent money to the IRA so that he could feel better about helping with "the struggle". It's a separate problem to the modern version of pushing the Indians into reservations and then settling the reservations.
Politics can be utterly disgusting at times - in two weeks the newly elected President will be sworn in. Yet another pogrom coincided with an election.
Done it. It's very slow with disappointingly low output but it does work. If you every have to depend on it use a vast quality of green leaves etc and be prepared to wait all day.
The idea of water memory comes from the fact that water molecules form long chains.
I thought I'd have a go at your ignorance but then decided that it would just be stirring. Hey kid - want to buy some bitcoins? Got a bridge going really cheap too.
At least until recently (and very likely still) these things were far more primitive than Scuds. It started off with Iran cleaning out any missiles that were not good enough to be used in the Iran-Iraq war and giving them away.
The strawman you are looking for is not at this address. How about we get back to discussing iron dome instead of pretending someone stupid enough to think Israel is not allowed to defend itself is reading just to make some sort of very labored political point?
"and we always find out months later that the numbers were exaggerated" - it's war propaganda. Everyone does it. Wind back to Vietnam and WWII for obvious US examples if everything else is too soon.
However, all the previous major attacks by Israeli forces, despite plenty of provocation to point to, just happened to coincide with the run-up to an election. Is there an election due soon or am I getting too cynical about the bunch running Israel at the moment?
You can't compare any disaster like Katrina in this country
Yes you can and it's an extremely useful analogy to use when attempting to communicate with people with very low empathy or understanding of anywhere beyond their shores.
there is no food to distribute
Read a book or go back to school before attempting to inflict such ignorance on others.
Note that I was only discussing speed of light lag, not lag caused by archaic hardware and other problems that apply equally well to links NOT using satellites.
Fair enough - still sounds like it's not the full ping though. Did you only count a one way trip up? How about down to the ground then back up and down again which is what it has to do to reply? It looks like you did not but were pretty quick with the criticism about being sloppy just the same.
not lag caused by archaic hardware and other problems that apply equally well to links NOT using satellites.
Except it doesn't apply in most other cases which is why the latency observed is much worse.
My point stands - if you care about ping times at all then satellites are not on the list unless they are the only thing available. If you don't care much about latency then they are worth considering.
Iridium orbit is ~780 km. Which means worst case ping times (due to the satellites) should be around 75 ms
Wikipedia to the rescue! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_Communications)
"Latency for data connections is around 1800 ms round-trip, using small packets"
However half way to the moon for a high orbit was a vast exaggeration on my part so sorry about that.
Yes I read it and was complaining about the loophole in the DMCA which has meant perjury for false claims has never applied despite a vast number of false claims. There's things that are effectively spambots for DMCA notifications out there.
Nice try at whatever you are attempting to do there, but it is always going to vastly exceed the time going via the much tighter curve of the Earth's surface even if it's as low as Iridium which is about as low as you get for a long term circularish orbit. (Spy sats get lower for short periods but have very elliptical orbits and don't last long).
So to sum up ping times are going to vary from bad (Iridium) to very bad (nearly half way the the moon for geostationary), thus if ping times are a criteria at all it's always going to look bad.
Thanks. When I heard it was a Soyuz launched this week I assumed it was the South American launch and didn't check to see if there were any others. I was too far north to see it but apparently it was very bright.
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It's actually a bit of a difficult question because of the strange way US corporations have encouraged the law to treat them like people, strange but usually very much to their benefit. It backfires in situations like this.
Clearly not the case here and rather disgusting of you to pretend so.
Yes but there's an important election looming.
Fair enough - but what exactly is your point? The word "memory" implies a time scale far beyond what you are going on about which is why it's been difficult to distinguish you from "homeopathic" gibberish ("making it passable for medicals" - WTF?).
It's difficult enough to get water to flow the correct way down a plughole without considering your vastly weaker interactions once gravity and thermal gradients get things flowing, so why is anything you've mentioned back up this silly water memory idea? Beyond a very short time scale it's as unlikely as unscrambling an egg.
Sometimes a fucking stupid and insulting comment should be called something stronger than "not quite right" after the first polite attempt, especially if it's as inaccurate and downright offensive as "there is no food to distribute".
You had your first polite reply, which was ignored, so why complain about someone being blunt enough to get a message across if that's what it takes?
The USA - land of the 1930s dust bowl, obviously no food to distribute so no need for internet - or is it not obvious at all and a fucking stupid suggestion way out of touch by decades? Yours is equivalent.
Electron microscopes and liquid water don't mix. Try bluffing somebody else.
WTF? Homeofuckingpathy on a stick?
There seems to be a bit of a disconnection here.
I simply pointed out the problem where some Iranians and Saudis are sending weapons just like that dickhead who used to run the NSA sent money to the IRA so that he could feel better about helping with "the struggle". It's a separate problem to the modern version of pushing the Indians into reservations and then settling the reservations.
Politics can be utterly disgusting at times - in two weeks the newly elected President will be sworn in. Yet another pogrom coincided with an election.
Done it. It's very slow with disappointingly low output but it does work. If you every have to depend on it use a vast quality of green leaves etc and be prepared to wait all day.
For all practical purposes and time scales it doesn't.
Just let it flow.
I thought I'd have a go at your ignorance but then decided that it would just be stirring.
Hey kid - want to buy some bitcoins? Got a bridge going really cheap too.
At least until recently (and very likely still) these things were far more primitive than Scuds. It started off with Iran cleaning out any missiles that were not good enough to be used in the Iran-Iraq war and giving them away.
The strawman you are looking for is not at this address. How about we get back to discussing iron dome instead of pretending someone stupid enough to think Israel is not allowed to defend itself is reading just to make some sort of very labored political point?
If you can find a way to convince the Saudis and Iranians to send free food instead of free missiles there's a Nobel peace prize waiting for you.
"and we always find out months later that the numbers were exaggerated" - it's war propaganda. Everyone does it. Wind back to Vietnam and WWII for obvious US examples if everything else is too soon.
However, all the previous major attacks by Israeli forces, despite plenty of provocation to point to, just happened to coincide with the run-up to an election. Is there an election due soon or am I getting too cynical about the bunch running Israel at the moment?
Yes you can and it's an extremely useful analogy to use when attempting to communicate with people with very low empathy or understanding of anywhere beyond their shores.
Read a book or go back to school before attempting to inflict such ignorance on others.
So who is doing that?
Until you have an answer my point stands in all cases. When you have an answer it stands in all cases apart from that one.
It's an anode. Capacity comes from the electrolyte instead.
Fair enough - still sounds like it's not the full ping though. Did you only count a one way trip up? How about down to the ground then back up and down again which is what it has to do to reply? It looks like you did not but were pretty quick with the criticism about being sloppy just the same.
Except it doesn't apply in most other cases which is why the latency observed is much worse.
My point stands - if you care about ping times at all then satellites are not on the list unless they are the only thing available. If you don't care much about latency then they are worth considering.
Wikipedia to the rescue! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_Communications)
"Latency for data connections is around 1800 ms round-trip, using small packets"
However half way to the moon for a high orbit was a vast exaggeration on my part so sorry about that.
Yes I read it and was complaining about the loophole in the DMCA which has meant perjury for false claims has never applied despite a vast number of false claims. There's things that are effectively spambots for DMCA notifications out there.
Consider geometry then try again.
Nice try at whatever you are attempting to do there, but it is always going to vastly exceed the time going via the much tighter curve of the Earth's surface even if it's as low as Iridium which is about as low as you get for a long term circularish orbit. (Spy sats get lower for short periods but have very elliptical orbits and don't last long).
So to sum up ping times are going to vary from bad (Iridium) to very bad (nearly half way the the moon for geostationary), thus if ping times are a criteria at all it's always going to look bad.
Thanks. When I heard it was a Soyuz launched this week I assumed it was the South American launch and didn't check to see if there were any others. I was too far north to see it but apparently it was very bright.