Try looking up a bit of history. I'll give you one guess what country financed the Indonesian President who ran the place from the 60s to the 80s - it starts with U and ends with an A. Three letters. Got anywhere yet? No - how about if I mention a guy called Ford that visited the place in 1975 on the day of Indonesia's invasion of East Timor, and the guy called Ford got his country (starts with U and ends with an A) to use it's veto in the United Nations to prevent any action being taken against Indonesia for that invasion.
The Indonesia operation was at an international conference. On climate change
That's not the industrial espionage of a cigarette company I mentioned above but a different operation. It tells me a lot about you that you appear to think it's justified because climate change is involved, but how about we get back on topic instead of dragging some luddite anti-science bullshit into the mix?
Before you blow your own trumpet too much consider the very bad US example of moving copyright from civil to criminal law which has spread like a cancer around the world. It would be very nice if it went back to Hollywood lawyers suing people instead of SWAT teams through people's windows for copyright violations.
My comment was about what happened after he was convicted. Clemency is why he didn't do time.
Your pretended misunderstanding of this is depressing with what appears to be boilerplate questioning and insinuations that have nothing at all to do with what I wrote (eg. "That you know things that nobody else" - you've wandered into tinfoil hat territory sunshine and I find that incredibly insulting.)
One word you can already relate to - lag. There are a variety of other issues that make it far less desirable than ground stations such as bandwith, directional antenna placement and it being a hell of a lot easier to put hardware on solid rock than orbit.
Since you keep on pushing a silly suggestion from ignorance and pretending the obvious is not then why are you unprepared for consequences? If I told you "but the beige box really is the hard drive and the LCD is the computer" after being corrected once or twice how would you react?
Those options are not available. If he comes home it's a show trial and no release until some time after Charles Manson. That's the politically expedient thing to do, anything else is seen as being weak.
They did not find this person, work with them, test them, build them up. They have their own vast skilled networks of trusted people doing great work over generations.
That's a good point. One thing Snowden revealed is that the NSA is a vast shambolic petty empire run by horse judges owed favours with many points of entry for a professional espionage organisation to exploit. Since Snowden could get all that stuff as a contractor it's likely that anyone interested with the funds to cover a gambling debt could have bought their own contractor with the same access. China, Russia and drug cartels probably have their own live feed from the NSA.
In that case it was to get a trade secret about the manufacture of clove cigarettes. Still happy about your taxpayer dollars at work? Risking relations with two allies presumably because someone in the NSA got bribed by a cigarette company.
All of our other extraordinary renditions have been to countries where the victim was born.
No. There are documented cases of people who were not from Syria or Egypt being shipped to those countries to be tortured in the presence of a US observer. That's one of the reasons why relations with both countries are a bit messy since the 200x governments of both had "dirt" on the US as well as an obligation due to co-operation.
As a political matter that is not going to happen. We've hit "might makes right" here, Soviet style, and with that law as drafted Justice is not going to be considered.
I'm getting more and more convinced that American education has declined to such a point that many think an analogy is something that comes out of an ass.
Fair enough - but it's still just a distraction from my point of suppliers like Grumman doing other stuff. There's some commerical communications satellites that were around back then after all.
Bigelow Aerospace are not paying yet - so who are the other real customers for SpaceX? Also back in the day Grumman had other customers for other projects.
I'd say jail but only because I'm almost of the opinion that it was a hare-brained 1970s CIA scheme designed to blow dumb potential bombers up and supply misinformation for the rest.
TPB exists entirely on the premise of facilitating copyright infringement
Which should be a civil matter instead of SWAT team through the window criminal. The reason for the overwhelming force is political, and before that, extensive lobbying (complicated bribery) which turned something that was previously a civil dispute dealt with by coporation funded lawyers into something police forces could waste taxpayer money on. What makes it even more astonishing is that it went international. It still amazes me that anyone can go to jail for something like this that poses no danger to the people around them. Anything more than a fine is wasting taxpayers money to help out donors IMHO.
No as a realist. If we wanted anything in the US to do the job well enough to reject the Russian's help NOW we would have had to put some effort in back from when Clinton was President. Since there is no other serious choice for a few years there's no option other than to accept reality, pay for seats on Soyuz, and give companies like SpaceX some help for a few years until they become a serious contender.
Why not make it impossible to do without the cooperation of China, India, Africa, South America
Considering what it takes to communicate with things in orbit 24/7 it already is. When Houstan is over the horizon Cape Town may be in sight.
Some extremely surreal moments occurred in WWII on that note with things like Vickers refusing to let other companies build some parts because that would violate an IP deal with a German company - which resulted in the only factory in the UK making those parts was bombed by German bombers with the same parts. However we are talking about a civilian case and the nature of space travel means you need a LOT of international co-operation just to be able to talk to people/instruments in space 24/7. NASA employs or funds quite a lot of people outside of the USA and not all of them are US citizens.
Casting an aluminum alloy lower would be child's play. They have been made out of WOOD for fucks sake.
Wood is far more suitable in that situation because it flexes. Commercial cast aluminium alloys crack easily due to the silicon flakes that give them some strength and it's unsuitable for anything likely to get dropped or bumped. Even when you cut down the flake size with additives it's still a bit brittle. The aluminium stuff you are used to seeing is wrought - cast in great big billets too soft to use as is and then rolled into shape to give it strength without being brittle. Buying something like that from your local hardware, already strengthened for you, and easily filing or machining it into shape makes a vast amount more sense than the suggestion of the poster above that was trying to present their silly idea as evidence that they didn't have less of a clue than the person they were being critical of. So if you want something you don't want to have to treat like glass and never drop then you'd choose something other than casting an aluminium alloy.
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About ten years ago the Airbus versus Boeing case proved that a US government agency did spy for trade secrets and it was proved in a US courtroom.
That's not the industrial espionage of a cigarette company I mentioned above but a different operation. It tells me a lot about you that you appear to think it's justified because climate change is involved, but how about we get back on topic instead of dragging some luddite anti-science bullshit into the mix?
Forget Russia - just consider that a spread of points around the globe is better than about 1/4 of a hemisphere.
Before you blow your own trumpet too much consider the very bad US example of moving copyright from civil to criminal law which has spread like a cancer around the world. It would be very nice if it went back to Hollywood lawyers suing people instead of SWAT teams through people's windows for copyright violations.
My comment was about what happened after he was convicted.
Clemency is why he didn't do time.
Your pretended misunderstanding of this is depressing with what appears to be boilerplate questioning and insinuations that have nothing at all to do with what I wrote (eg. "That you know things that nobody else" - you've wandered into tinfoil hat territory sunshine and I find that incredibly insulting.)
One word you can already relate to - lag.
There are a variety of other issues that make it far less desirable than ground stations such as bandwith, directional antenna placement and it being a hell of a lot easier to put hardware on solid rock than orbit.
Since you keep on pushing a silly suggestion from ignorance and pretending the obvious is not then why are you unprepared for consequences? If I told you "but the beige box really is the hard drive and the LCD is the computer" after being corrected once or twice how would you react?
Those options are not available. If he comes home it's a show trial and no release until some time after Charles Manson. That's the politically expedient thing to do, anything else is seen as being weak.
What a fine example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Try the orange before looking for the more complicated stuff you don't understand either.
That's a good point. One thing Snowden revealed is that the NSA is a vast shambolic petty empire run by horse judges owed favours with many points of entry for a professional espionage organisation to exploit. Since Snowden could get all that stuff as a contractor it's likely that anyone interested with the funds to cover a gambling debt could have bought their own contractor with the same access. China, Russia and drug cartels probably have their own live feed from the NSA.
In that case it was to get a trade secret about the manufacture of clove cigarettes. Still happy about your taxpayer dollars at work? Risking relations with two allies presumably because someone in the NSA got bribed by a cigarette company.
No. There are documented cases of people who were not from Syria or Egypt being shipped to those countries to be tortured in the presence of a US observer. That's one of the reasons why relations with both countries are a bit messy since the 200x governments of both had "dirt" on the US as well as an obligation due to co-operation.
As a political matter that is not going to happen. We've hit "might makes right" here, Soviet style, and with that law as drafted Justice is not going to be considered.
I'm getting more and more convinced that American education has declined to such a point that many think an analogy is something that comes out of an ass.
No.
Which is why there is an international effort that includes sites in the southern hemisphere as well.
Fair enough - but it's still just a distraction from my point of suppliers like Grumman doing other stuff. There's some commerical communications satellites that were around back then after all.
Bigelow Aerospace are not paying yet - so who are the other real customers for SpaceX?
Also back in the day Grumman had other customers for other projects.
I'd say jail but only because I'm almost of the opinion that it was a hare-brained 1970s CIA scheme designed to blow dumb potential bombers up and supply misinformation for the rest.
Which should be a civil matter instead of SWAT team through the window criminal. The reason for the overwhelming force is political, and before that, extensive lobbying (complicated bribery) which turned something that was previously a civil dispute dealt with by coporation funded lawyers into something police forces could waste taxpayer money on. What makes it even more astonishing is that it went international.
It still amazes me that anyone can go to jail for something like this that poses no danger to the people around them. Anything more than a fine is wasting taxpayers money to help out donors IMHO.
No as a realist. If we wanted anything in the US to do the job well enough to reject the Russian's help NOW we would have had to put some effort in back from when Clinton was President. Since there is no other serious choice for a few years there's no option other than to accept reality, pay for seats on Soyuz, and give companies like SpaceX some help for a few years until they become a serious contender.
Considering what it takes to communicate with things in orbit 24/7 it already is. When Houstan is over the horizon Cape Town may be in sight.
Some extremely surreal moments occurred in WWII on that note with things like Vickers refusing to let other companies build some parts because that would violate an IP deal with a German company - which resulted in the only factory in the UK making those parts was bombed by German bombers with the same parts.
However we are talking about a civilian case and the nature of space travel means you need a LOT of international co-operation just to be able to talk to people/instruments in space 24/7. NASA employs or funds quite a lot of people outside of the USA and not all of them are US citizens.
It's like having to buy oil from Saudi Arabia.
Sucks but the alternatives are worse.
It was the private sector back then too for a lot of stuff - for example Grumman built the lander.
Wood is far more suitable in that situation because it flexes. Commercial cast aluminium alloys crack easily due to the silicon flakes that give them some strength and it's unsuitable for anything likely to get dropped or bumped. Even when you cut down the flake size with additives it's still a bit brittle. The aluminium stuff you are used to seeing is wrought - cast in great big billets too soft to use as is and then rolled into shape to give it strength without being brittle. Buying something like that from your local hardware, already strengthened for you, and easily filing or machining it into shape makes a vast amount more sense than the suggestion of the poster above that was trying to present their silly idea as evidence that they didn't have less of a clue than the person they were being critical of.
So if you want something you don't want to have to treat like glass and never drop then you'd choose something other than casting an aluminium alloy.
That's inspired me to dust a couple off and get them out of storage. I've always used them in noisy places so didn't even know about the keybeep.
Or the people who are stirring up a huge attention seeking fuss about impractical guns. Enough fuss and governments act.