True so long as (less than) 20% of the community has solar panels"
There seem to be the words "even if it reaches saturation" in my post above. Do you want me to dumb things down a bit more? It will come across as even more condescending but I can do it if you wish. There are clearly many more things using electricity than residences and you should take that into account even if those that want to protect generation monopolies like to pretend otherwise to push the line you are following.
You just don't get it. This is no "debate" as you seemed to suggest earlier. This has been me attempting to point out a very major and stupid mistake, so stupid it appeared to be a deliberate lie, right from the start.
Way back in the day Kennedy and Khrushchev kind of proved that it doesn't. Things went far beyond utterly stupid and it was only a lot of backpedelling that prevented tragedy.
We can't really be sure. Some journalists heard Taliban government members suggesting handing over A.Q. to the USA on a plate. Whether that was true or not didn't really matter because there were no talks and there was no chance to sue for peace, not even the shouting "nice kitty" while looking for a stick that is the usual diplomacy while preparing for a war. Remember that it was a mostly Saudi group that just happened to be hiding in Afganistan after moving from Sudan.
Of course the Taliban were a bunch of rabid pig fucking bastards that showed how much of a nightmare you get if you applied the leadership techniques of running a gang of rapists in a refugee camp to an entire country - but they were not the bunch that attacked the Twin Towers and Pentagon.
don’t tell me you don’t know that IMF are the modern day slave-traders
Funny you should mention that in an article about the Marshall Islands:( It's the only US territory where slavery is not just a freak occurrence perpetrated by a kidnapper but instead a more frequent event.
I'd better provide a simple thought experiment as to why the line you have been fed is bullshit, and as to why you should not have accepted it unquestioningly.
Let's consider an extreme. Consider a well off area that has also got an insanely generous government handout for installing solar panels, a place with more houses with solar panels than anywhere else. Let's say it is a very sunny day, as sunny as it gets, but a nice breeze is blowing so it's not hot enough to run airconditioners. Let's say it's also a public holiday so a lot of people have turned a lot of things off and gone to the beach plus a lot of businesses are closed for the day. Let's say an incident kicks the local substation off the grid - what do you think happens? What will happen is that even at the extreme end of the solar ownership graph there are enough people, small businesses etc without their own generating capacity but plenty of fridges, pool pumps etc that the total consumed in that area is still much less than the total generated. It means that some people will have electricity in that situation and some won't, and it will fall a long way short of the total demand. Following me so far? Let's consider things now at the substation while things are running normally. The area will demand a certain amount of power - it will be asking for less than anywhere else but will still be getting quite a bit off the grid and won't be sending anything back. Thus all locally generated power is used locally which means nearly zero line losses and no conversion up from 110/240V to 11kV or whatever so no losses there either. Do you see it yet? Household solar is still a tiny proportion of generating capacity and even if it reaches saturation the electricity consumption of local retail, light industry etc is going to take all excess and ask for many times more in just about every situation.
Do you see now why I get so annoyed at people pulling such a blatant con as the one that was pulled on you and you innocently passed on? The "losses" confidence trick is of the scale of a manufacturer of dentures saying that brushing teeth is bad because it causes tooth decay.
In reality when an area demands less power that reduces network and generation costs. It doesn't "cause problems". It reduces them.
Fair enough - but you have been pushing complete and utter bullshit very hard despite my initially polite rebuttal so I made some assumptions that it was all about forcing your politics on others, mainly due to your sig, and frankly thought you did not deserve politeness when you persisted in spreading the bullshit.
Though I wonder at a coal plant that would have only operated during the day
A very wasteful solution but seen as viable when it's sitting next to a coal mine. Such base load generators suck for covering sharp peaks because you've got to burn fuel for quite a few hours before it's hot enough to produce enough steam. Each start reduces the life of many components but it's still cheaper to cut the fuel in the evening and start it up again very early in the morning instead of running it all summer. Hydro is ideal to cover peaks, but you need a lot of reliable water, so if you don't have that you use whatever you can get even if you are taking years off the life of a coal fired unit. These days solar and wind are increasingly filling that niche.
You're overstating things again, 'concerns' doesn't equal 'difficult'
No, you were very clearly playing the "fear uncertainty and doubt" game based on a VERY faulty premise, reality is the opposite of your suggestion. Having huge numbers of little controllable DC to AC systems make a lot of 'concerns' go away. Not having to upgrade links between power stations and cities makes a lot of costs go away. There's a 500MW coal fired unit near me that has been mothballed because the summer daytime peak it was built to provide capacity for is instead being dealt with by lots of panels on roofs.
Blindseer; no signs he's a gunnie
His sig is I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed. WTF is it with you people? Why do you have so little respect for the other commenters and readers here that you attempt such outrageous lies?
All I EVER tried to say is that it poses concerns for the electric company
As someone who worked as an engineer for one I could see your fabricated "concerns" as the utter bullshit they are. It would have been difficult some time ago but the invention of the transistor made things a lot easier, as I was told by a far more experienced engineer who has a solar panel on his roof after working in electricity transmission from around 1950 until his retirement.
I'm getting two gun "enthusiasts" trying to push this same unstable grid bullshit down my throat at the same time - was it dreamed up by some weedy tax account who uses a gun as a surrogate penis on weekends to feel tough and written in some sort of political newsletter recently or something?
Go ahead. I'll repeat: Which political party do you believe I'm a member of?
I'm not that familiar with the far side of crazy in US politics, but since you are a gun "enthusiast" that even makes people like me who learned to shoot at nine years old cringe, and seem to be one step away from wanting to shoot anyone with a windmill or solar panel, I'd say so far to the right that you meet up with Joseph Stalin coming from the other direction. Those "hot issues" do not make you a champion of social justice or whatever because the rest of the world dealt with them in the 1970s, probably before you were born.
Solar is mainstream now and solves a lot of problems. Live with it or be like an idiot railing against bar code scanners in supermarkets. Photovoltaics are just another tool of modern society with it's own little niche.
It is a very stupid condition since benefits can be gained without fulfilling it.
Put up or shut up
It is up to the person making extraordinary claims that defy what is observed to prove it and not the person merely pointing out that the extraordinary claims are fabrications with little or no connection to reality.
We as consumers need to stop accepting half finished crap that companies are rolling out with promises of patches later
Sadly that is the reality now, and in this case the problems are in something that comes as an extra instead of the core function of the device so it's excusable. I've even had to patch a DSLR camera to get a lens to work.
Yes I've written nice long technical reports too - but if they can't be let in, given root and allowed to take a proper look around on systems for stuff that's not on their checklist then they are not going to be able to be sure that they have found everything. A decent security audit and people playing Mission Impossible games are two different things if all they do is the games. Especially if the games mean that they mark things being on the correct ports as a fatal flaw (eg. a joke of a pen testing outfit that a friend at another company dealt with - clueless script kiddies that did not even look at IPv6 stuff so missed some huge holes found later).
In that case I would also say that this is doubtful
And your medical qualifications are? Please let us know. They must be pretty damn impressive to be better than those large numbers who participate and do not find it doubtful.
Let's just assume you are not a doctor, let's say you program computers for a living. How do you react to someone that says all software is shit and we should just solve problems on paper? Even at such an extreme I think that's a fair comparison to your statement above, and hopefully should illustrate how utterly ridiculous your comment above is.
According to the people that outsourced, cut funding to education, cut back NASA and so on, not any more. China and Russia can take it from here. I watched a TV special on the 1970 solar eclipse via youtube - the thing was intended for children back in the day but some of the adults even on slashdot sadly could learn quite a bit from it. Active disinformation from PR companies has fucked up a generation, along with decades of mad scientist plots in comics and TV.
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Such a strawman does not yet exist at the substation level anywhere on the planet and is not likely to happen any time soon.
There seem to be the words "even if it reaches saturation" in my post above. Do you want me to dumb things down a bit more? It will come across as even more condescending but I can do it if you wish.
There are clearly many more things using electricity than residences and you should take that into account even if those that want to protect generation monopolies like to pretend otherwise to push the line you are following.
You just don't get it. This is no "debate" as you seemed to suggest earlier. This has been me attempting to point out a very major and stupid mistake, so stupid it appeared to be a deliberate lie, right from the start.
Which makes it a pretty major insult doesn't it?
Way back in the day Kennedy and Khrushchev kind of proved that it doesn't.
Things went far beyond utterly stupid and it was only a lot of backpedelling that prevented tragedy.
We can't really be sure. Some journalists heard Taliban government members suggesting handing over A.Q. to the USA on a plate. Whether that was true or not didn't really matter because there were no talks and there was no chance to sue for peace, not even the shouting "nice kitty" while looking for a stick that is the usual diplomacy while preparing for a war.
Remember that it was a mostly Saudi group that just happened to be hiding in Afganistan after moving from Sudan.
Of course the Taliban were a bunch of rabid pig fucking bastards that showed how much of a nightmare you get if you applied the leadership techniques of running a gang of rapists in a refugee camp to an entire country - but they were not the bunch that attacked the Twin Towers and Pentagon.
Funny you should mention that in an article about the Marshall Islands :( It's the only US territory where slavery is not just a freak occurrence perpetrated by a kidnapper but instead a more frequent event.
Also known as rent seeking behaviour.
I'd better provide a simple thought experiment as to why the line you have been fed is bullshit, and as to why you should not have accepted it unquestioningly.
Let's consider an extreme.
Consider a well off area that has also got an insanely generous government handout for installing solar panels, a place with more houses with solar panels than anywhere else. Let's say it is a very sunny day, as sunny as it gets, but a nice breeze is blowing so it's not hot enough to run airconditioners. Let's say it's also a public holiday so a lot of people have turned a lot of things off and gone to the beach plus a lot of businesses are closed for the day. Let's say an incident kicks the local substation off the grid - what do you think happens?
What will happen is that even at the extreme end of the solar ownership graph there are enough people, small businesses etc without their own generating capacity but plenty of fridges, pool pumps etc that the total consumed in that area is still much less than the total generated. It means that some people will have electricity in that situation and some won't, and it will fall a long way short of the total demand.
Following me so far?
Let's consider things now at the substation while things are running normally. The area will demand a certain amount of power - it will be asking for less than anywhere else but will still be getting quite a bit off the grid and won't be sending anything back. Thus all locally generated power is used locally which means nearly zero line losses and no conversion up from 110/240V to 11kV or whatever so no losses there either.
Do you see it yet? Household solar is still a tiny proportion of generating capacity and even if it reaches saturation the electricity consumption of local retail, light industry etc is going to take all excess and ask for many times more in just about every situation.
Do you see now why I get so annoyed at people pulling such a blatant con as the one that was pulled on you and you innocently passed on? The "losses" confidence trick is of the scale of a manufacturer of dentures saying that brushing teeth is bad because it causes tooth decay.
In reality when an area demands less power that reduces network and generation costs. It doesn't "cause problems". It reduces them.
A very wasteful solution but seen as viable when it's sitting next to a coal mine. Such base load generators suck for covering sharp peaks because you've got to burn fuel for quite a few hours before it's hot enough to produce enough steam. Each start reduces the life of many components but it's still cheaper to cut the fuel in the evening and start it up again very early in the morning instead of running it all summer. Hydro is ideal to cover peaks, but you need a lot of reliable water, so if you don't have that you use whatever you can get even if you are taking years off the life of a coal fired unit. These days solar and wind are increasingly filling that niche.
No, you were very clearly playing the "fear uncertainty and doubt" game based on a VERY faulty premise, reality is the opposite of your suggestion. Having huge numbers of little controllable DC to AC systems make a lot of 'concerns' go away. Not having to upgrade links between power stations and cities makes a lot of costs go away. There's a 500MW coal fired unit near me that has been mothballed because the summer daytime peak it was built to provide capacity for is instead being dealt with by lots of panels on roofs.
His sig is I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
WTF is it with you people? Why do you have so little respect for the other commenters and readers here that you attempt such outrageous lies?
As someone who worked as an engineer for one I could see your fabricated "concerns" as the utter bullshit they are. It would have been difficult some time ago but the invention of the transistor made things a lot easier, as I was told by a far more experienced engineer who has a solar panel on his roof after working in electricity transmission from around 1950 until his retirement.
I'm getting two gun "enthusiasts" trying to push this same unstable grid bullshit down my throat at the same time - was it dreamed up by some weedy tax account who uses a gun as a surrogate penis on weekends to feel tough and written in some sort of political newsletter recently or something?
It's on your own fucking graph you lying piece of shit.
I'm not that familiar with the far side of crazy in US politics, but since you are a gun "enthusiast" that even makes people like me who learned to shoot at nine years old cringe, and seem to be one step away from wanting to shoot anyone with a windmill or solar panel, I'd say so far to the right that you meet up with Joseph Stalin coming from the other direction. Those "hot issues" do not make you a champion of social justice or whatever because the rest of the world dealt with them in the 1970s, probably before you were born.
Solar is mainstream now and solves a lot of problems. Live with it or be like an idiot railing against bar code scanners in supermarkets. Photovoltaics are just another tool of modern society with it's own little niche.
So says the person tilting at windmills - oh wait, it's photovoltaics this time isn't it?
It is a very stupid condition since benefits can be gained without fulfilling it.
It is up to the person making extraordinary claims that defy what is observed to prove it and not the person merely pointing out that the extraordinary claims are fabrications with little or no connection to reality.
It shows that you have fabricated a line of bullshit to push a political agenda.
It failed to start up while the lens was connected, so no.
Sadly that is the reality now, and in this case the problems are in something that comes as an extra instead of the core function of the device so it's excusable.
I've even had to patch a DSLR camera to get a lens to work.
You supplied a graph yourself and lied about what was on it in the hope that nobody would follow the link.
Yes I've written nice long technical reports too - but if they can't be let in, given root and allowed to take a proper look around on systems for stuff that's not on their checklist then they are not going to be able to be sure that they have found everything. A decent security audit and people playing Mission Impossible games are two different things if all they do is the games. Especially if the games mean that they mark things being on the correct ports as a fatal flaw (eg. a joke of a pen testing outfit that a friend at another company dealt with - clueless script kiddies that did not even look at IPv6 stuff so missed some huge holes found later).
Close but not quite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale_of_mineral_hardness
And your medical qualifications are?
Please let us know. They must be pretty damn impressive to be better than those large numbers who participate and do not find it doubtful.
Let's just assume you are not a doctor, let's say you program computers for a living. How do you react to someone that says all software is shit and we should just solve problems on paper? Even at such an extreme I think that's a fair comparison to your statement above, and hopefully should illustrate how utterly ridiculous your comment above is.
In another post you denied the politics that you've just put on show with the post above.
According to the people that outsourced, cut funding to education, cut back NASA and so on, not any more. China and Russia can take it from here.
I watched a TV special on the 1970 solar eclipse via youtube - the thing was intended for children back in the day but some of the adults even on slashdot sadly could learn quite a bit from it. Active disinformation from PR companies has fucked up a generation, along with decades of mad scientist plots in comics and TV.
There lies the problem :(