Funny thing is two of the main three that pointed out the problems with the flood idea were clergymen. If your religion cannot survive contact with reality then it's a far weaker thing than theirs. The "fossils are from a flood" thing is not from the Bible but instead an extrapolation from it to try to explain fossils. If they are from a different cause that's only challenging the extrapolation and not the religion itself. The truly sad thing is the step backwards were branches of a religion founded long after the flood theory was abandoned by the mainstream decided to revive it again - something about seeing educated clergy as an enemy I believe. A lot of this anti-science bullshit grew out of seeing Jesuits as competition for flock members.
Arbitrary placing of goalposts based on stupid assumptions like losses being orders of magnitude higher than actually occurs. Something within a dozen miles may as well be next door so the electricity is being consumed almost adjacent to where it is being generated and it can be whatever load factor they guys in control rooms want it to be. Anything coming out of these things is desirable for helping with load factor correction if nothing else. If you really care about this topic and are not just using it as a vector to push your politics I suggest taking a look at wikipedia. There is no excuse for the ignorance you are trying to shove down people's throats.
Your sig link is screaming it loudly to the heavens. Did you forget that? It's obvious that your lies are part of some anti-green drive and in the process you are acting just as much a useful idiot as those of the Commies you despise. In the meantime those of us who don't give a shit about your politics one way or another are collatoral damage. As for your numerology based on zero understanding - give it a rest.
It should be simple enough to explain where I'm wrong
Simple - you are making things up and pretending they are true. If you want facts go up to my post above that starts with "You forgot about peaks and how the infrastructure costs are determined by maximum expected load on a piece of infrastructure". If you want facts even wikipedia will help and is a vast improvement on just making shit up and pretending that it is true.
Tape got it's bad reputation from 4mm consumer priced shit that broke and cheap and nasty drives that were unreliable. If we ask for something at consumer prices I doubt it will end up like an LTO5 and it will probably compared badly with blue-ray.
Active pen-testing from a guy running a script on boxes to actual blackhats using everything at their disposal including sending people on site in coveralls and fake badges to get in
Pure theatre. Instead of embarrassing the helpful who will still be just as helpful to the next guy with a fake badge it's better to have a proper audit with full access instead of port scanning games or whatever. That obscure and insecure thing listening to the net that can't be seen from the outside by a pet script kiddie because it's on their list could be found by looking properly at all net facing systems and seeing everything that is running on them. A security audit, looking at things from both inside AND outside instead of a game that only has value in training the outside security folk at being better script kiddies. As for tapes, yes they are under-rated and a lot cheaper per GB than the used to be. I have saved millions by getting some old tapes out of storage. It is amazing what people discard. You'd think an oil company that had spent millions on a survey would keep all the necessary data for the entire length of time that they were considering drilling in an area wouldn't you? Then you'd think that two other companies wouldn't make the same mistake. Luckily tape is a handy medium for transport and subcontractors are rarely asked to send transport copies back (until the originals are lost a decade later!)
Pen testers are often reformed script kiddies without enough understanding to comprehend how the networks they are attempting to get into work. They fail people on such criteria as having ssh on the correct port. The way to do things properly is to be able to see what is going on from both the inside and outside and examine any holes that become apparent. If they are not given full access from the inside how are they going to find any problems that have nothing but obscurity to hide them? If you don't know everything that is listening and prepared to respond to packets from the net then it's nothing but a superficial exercise.
It's really a wonder (and a variety of corporate privateering) that a quick and nasty CAD program such as AutoCAD with all it's faults over the years became the default. These days I can only run the version that people like with a WinXP virtual machine or on linux via WINE.
If the problems can be fixed by the early adopters on the bleeding edge compiling code that has been supplied to them then a more user-friendly patch is probably only a few days away. Early adopters to something ambitious should expect a hiccup every now and again.
You provided one link that clearly demonstrated that you were wrong in that case, one that showed only the residential portion of demand and one example of a tourist region that is very different to the average. That's not calling anything out and demonstrates nothing other than character flaws on your part and utter contempt for anyone with the misfortune to read your manipulative drivel.
Calling manipulative pricks such as yourself gun nuts is being too restrictive.
The first link does not support your point - total household demand is typically far less than industry demand. The second is cherry picking by choosing a place with almost no industry.
More utterly disgusting bait and switch. However your strong loyalty to your Party over and above the constraints of morality are noted Comrade.
After you've been caught out in a lie why should I waste my time? Other readers who don't already have an engineering background and time working in the electricity industry should feel free to follow the links and make up their own minds - but I'm sick of arguing against what I see here as either invincible ignorance or active disinformation. I suspect it's the second case and it turns my stomach - you are effectively grooming the kiddies to join up with the politics you are pushing.
I just did the math
Yes, but not very well since you mixed up a 3 and a 6.
Your assumptions are very skewed which is why I'm calling it a strawman. Modelling the houses as islands when they are connected to the grid implies that you have a barrow to push or that you are far more stupid than is likely. I'm not insulting your intelligence so that leaves you trying to force an agenda on the readers despite what reality may say on the issue.
I'm the one that looked up the actual figures
Ah yes, talking about a 10% loss in transmitting electricity to what is effectively next door in transmission scales even if it takes an hour to get there in traffic - are you SURE you looked up actual figures?
To me it just looks like no holds barred Red on Green political action with a few technical sounding guesses (which you are probably very much aware are not correct) to try to make it look like it's not just an outright lie. I'd rather this place remained a technical discussion site of a sort instead of a political rant site. You may hate the concept of people not buying power from a Party approved supplier, but the technology works, is mainstream, and I wish it had been on the grid when I was working in power generation and transmission in the 1990s because it would have made dealing with peaks a hell of a lot easier. Solar panels are not really a "green" thing any more - they are used by people who do not care about politics, so please use a different target for your rants.
Try using it instead of swallowing and regurgitating political bullshit. You've been getting very simple stuff wrong - try talking to someone in transmission for maybe about half an hour about these delusions.
I suggest looking at that right hand graph for at least a full second - and if that is not enough USE A RULER.
It looks like we've hit the depths of a bluff and a link to something that does depict what you say in the hope that it will be followed.
For those that didn't follow the link or didn't look at it properly it is a graph of typical seasonal loads of electric utilities in Eastern New England Division in 1919. That's certainly extraordinary evidence, and while it can be argued that it's probably irrelevant to today's usage it still doesn't have that 6pm peak the above poster says it shows.
I really hate it when comments that are really just politically motivated no holds barred green bashing turn up to try to encourage people to turn away from what is now mainstream technology. You should be ashamed of yourself blindseer.
The disappointing thing is it seems they didn't drink beer because they didn't trust the water. Instead they drank beer because they liked drinking beer, just like today.
I was surprised when I was shown that peak power happened in the late afternoon or early evening
Of course you were surprised, it's not what happens. Who showed you this thing and can the rest of the world see it too or do we just have to take it on trust? You've been bullshitted. Please stop spreading it.
one of the YouTube talks
Please tell me you are joking about that being the source that has convinced you of this bullshit. While loads do vary around the world I certainly saw nothing like that when I was working in power stations.
Yes, before you were born. I'd say many decades before. Why that long? Here's another clue - Einstein was they guy that figured out the photoelectric effect and then after the transistor was invented it became relatively easy to get nice well behaved AC out of DC sources like a large number of photovoltaics. It was possible long ago, but today it is both relatively cheap and easy. Having a very large number of small sources of electricity right in the middle of cities are a blessing for power transmission and not your curse from political propaganda dreamed up by someone that has never even heard of an ohm. I suggest taking a practical instead of an ideological view since it's techies and not the greenies you wish to stop that are on this site.
Around a century ago in Germany there was some Schnapps just a bit beyond that point. Not so hard to distill off some more water with just a little bit of Benzene in the mix. Of course if it doesn't poison you immediately there is cancer to look forward to. I think there's some varieties of high purity lab ethanol with similar additives to make it easier to distill.
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Funny thing is two of the main three that pointed out the problems with the flood idea were clergymen. If your religion cannot survive contact with reality then it's a far weaker thing than theirs.
The "fossils are from a flood" thing is not from the Bible but instead an extrapolation from it to try to explain fossils. If they are from a different cause that's only challenging the extrapolation and not the religion itself. The truly sad thing is the step backwards were branches of a religion founded long after the flood theory was abandoned by the mainstream decided to revive it again - something about seeing educated clergy as an enemy I believe. A lot of this anti-science bullshit grew out of seeing Jesuits as competition for flock members.
This one you provided yourself for a start :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lcurve.jpg
You've been caught out, why continue?
Arbitrary placing of goalposts based on stupid assumptions like losses being orders of magnitude higher than actually occurs. Something within a dozen miles may as well be next door so the electricity is being consumed almost adjacent to where it is being generated and it can be whatever load factor they guys in control rooms want it to be. Anything coming out of these things is desirable for helping with load factor correction if nothing else.
If you really care about this topic and are not just using it as a vector to push your politics I suggest taking a look at wikipedia. There is no excuse for the ignorance you are trying to shove down people's throats.
Your sig link is screaming it loudly to the heavens. Did you forget that? It's obvious that your lies are part of some anti-green drive and in the process you are acting just as much a useful idiot as those of the Commies you despise. In the meantime those of us who don't give a shit about your politics one way or another are collatoral damage.
As for your numerology based on zero understanding - give it a rest.
Simple - you are making things up and pretending they are true. If you want facts go up to my post above that starts with "You forgot about peaks and how the infrastructure costs are determined by maximum expected load on a piece of infrastructure".
If you want facts even wikipedia will help and is a vast improvement on just making shit up and pretending that it is true.
So in the pursuit of those noble goals it's perfectly fine to lie to a bunch of geeks and attempt to groom some kiddies for your political cause?
That however sounds like a bit of a fatal roadblock.
Because they go through the same testing procedures.
Tape got it's bad reputation from 4mm consumer priced shit that broke and cheap and nasty drives that were unreliable. If we ask for something at consumer prices I doubt it will end up like an LTO5 and it will probably compared badly with blue-ray.
Pure theatre.
Instead of embarrassing the helpful who will still be just as helpful to the next guy with a fake badge it's better to have a proper audit with full access instead of port scanning games or whatever.
That obscure and insecure thing listening to the net that can't be seen from the outside by a pet script kiddie because it's on their list could be found by looking properly at all net facing systems and seeing everything that is running on them. A security audit, looking at things from both inside AND outside instead of a game that only has value in training the outside security folk at being better script kiddies.
As for tapes, yes they are under-rated and a lot cheaper per GB than the used to be. I have saved millions by getting some old tapes out of storage. It is amazing what people discard. You'd think an oil company that had spent millions on a survey would keep all the necessary data for the entire length of time that they were considering drilling in an area wouldn't you? Then you'd think that two other companies wouldn't make the same mistake. Luckily tape is a handy medium for transport and subcontractors are rarely asked to send transport copies back (until the originals are lost a decade later!)
Pen testers are often reformed script kiddies without enough understanding to comprehend how the networks they are attempting to get into work. They fail people on such criteria as having ssh on the correct port. The way to do things properly is to be able to see what is going on from both the inside and outside and examine any holes that become apparent. If they are not given full access from the inside how are they going to find any problems that have nothing but obscurity to hide them? If you don't know everything that is listening and prepared to respond to packets from the net then it's nothing but a superficial exercise.
It's really a wonder (and a variety of corporate privateering) that a quick and nasty CAD program such as AutoCAD with all it's faults over the years became the default. These days I can only run the version that people like with a WinXP virtual machine or on linux via WINE.
If the problems can be fixed by the early adopters on the bleeding edge compiling code that has been supplied to them then a more user-friendly patch is probably only a few days away.
Early adopters to something ambitious should expect a hiccup every now and again.
Is this some role playing game where you are are pretending to be a cartoon redneck?
Your first link states my case for me, as I'm sure many others you've seen do until you found the tourist island one to cherry pick.
You provided one link that clearly demonstrated that you were wrong in that case, one that showed only the residential portion of demand and one example of a tourist region that is very different to the average. That's not calling anything out and demonstrates nothing other than character flaws on your part and utter contempt for anyone with the misfortune to read your manipulative drivel.
Calling manipulative pricks such as yourself gun nuts is being too restrictive.
The first link does not support your point - total household demand is typically far less than industry demand.
The second is cherry picking by choosing a place with almost no industry.
More utterly disgusting bait and switch. However your strong loyalty to your Party over and above the constraints of morality are noted Comrade.
Other readers who don't already have an engineering background and time working in the electricity industry should feel free to follow the links and make up their own minds - but I'm sick of arguing against what I see here as either invincible ignorance or active disinformation. I suspect it's the second case and it turns my stomach - you are effectively grooming the kiddies to join up with the politics you are pushing.
Yes, but not very well since you mixed up a 3 and a 6.
Ah yes, talking about a 10% loss in transmitting electricity to what is effectively next door in transmission scales even if it takes an hour to get there in traffic - are you SURE you looked up actual figures?
To me it just looks like no holds barred Red on Green political action with a few technical sounding guesses (which you are probably very much aware are not correct) to try to make it look like it's not just an outright lie.
I'd rather this place remained a technical discussion site of a sort instead of a political rant site. You may hate the concept of people not buying power from a Party approved supplier, but the technology works, is mainstream, and I wish it had been on the grid when I was working in power generation and transmission in the 1990s because it would have made dealing with peaks a hell of a lot easier.
Solar panels are not really a "green" thing any more - they are used by people who do not care about politics, so please use a different target for your rants.
Try using it instead of swallowing and regurgitating political bullshit. You've been getting very simple stuff wrong - try talking to someone in transmission for maybe about half an hour about these delusions.
I suggest looking at that right hand graph for at least a full second - and if that is not enough USE A RULER.
It looks like we've hit the depths of a bluff and a link to something that does depict what you say in the hope that it will be followed.
For those that didn't follow the link or didn't look at it properly it is a graph of typical seasonal loads of electric utilities in Eastern New England Division in 1919. That's certainly extraordinary evidence, and while it can be argued that it's probably irrelevant to today's usage it still doesn't have that 6pm peak the above poster says it shows.
I really hate it when comments that are really just politically motivated no holds barred green bashing turn up to try to encourage people to turn away from what is now mainstream technology. You should be ashamed of yourself blindseer.
The disappointing thing is it seems they didn't drink beer because they didn't trust the water. Instead they drank beer because they liked drinking beer, just like today.
Of course you were surprised, it's not what happens. Who showed you this thing and can the rest of the world see it too or do we just have to take it on trust? You've been bullshitted. Please stop spreading it.
Please tell me you are joking about that being the source that has convinced you of this bullshit.
While loads do vary around the world I certainly saw nothing like that when I was working in power stations.
Yes, before you were born. I'd say many decades before.
Why that long? Here's another clue - Einstein was they guy that figured out the photoelectric effect and then after the transistor was invented it became relatively easy to get nice well behaved AC out of DC sources like a large number of photovoltaics. It was possible long ago, but today it is both relatively cheap and easy.
Having a very large number of small sources of electricity right in the middle of cities are a blessing for power transmission and not your curse from political propaganda dreamed up by someone that has never even heard of an ohm. I suggest taking a practical instead of an ideological view since it's techies and not the greenies you wish to stop that are on this site.
At some point you have to stop pretending that the guy spitting in your face is there to make polite conversation.
Around a century ago in Germany there was some Schnapps just a bit beyond that point. Not so hard to distill off some more water with just a little bit of Benzene in the mix. Of course if it doesn't poison you immediately there is cancer to look forward to.
I think there's some varieties of high purity lab ethanol with similar additives to make it easier to distill.