It's a better written submarine fantasy. On an earlier post I suggested reading non-fiction or that novel - I fucked up this time and just mentioned the novel. It has a bit describing some real problems with sonar that result from different water densities, which don't just vary with depth.
That's a conclusion to jump to that kind of matches what people's gut feeling would tell them after following a noisy truck , but maybe you should read something on the topic.
I heard that sort of thing about Afganistan. Still unfinished. All be over be Christmas Mr Armchair Warmonger too cowardly to enlist yet calling for blood?
They have different priorities but they still have the resources of a nation and millions of people. Also, what is it I'm supposed to not possibly believe exactly? NK trades with China, Iran etc - I did not deny that. They get military aid from China, but you are incredibly naive if you think China can tell them what to do and it will be done. I'm also not in any way defending NK but you seem to think so. I knew someone who had to flee the place to the comparitive freedom of Mao's China (that's how fucked up NK was, and it got worse later) when they started getting xenophobic about Chinese on top of already hating everyone else.
Perhaps instead of guessing and attempting to "correct" my opinion based on that guess you should read one of the many things written about the topic. It will be far less of a waste of time and far less likely to lead to embarrassment.
Physics gets in the way of all of it. Water density (especially with variable amounts of salt in it) is not constant or even constant with depth. That affects the way sound is transmitted since the speed of sound is a function of density. There's a lot out there on the net but some fiction sums up the problems well such as Frank Herbert's submarine novel "The Dragon Under the Sea".
You want a magic pony or something, who said anything about Seoul not being damaged?
OK, I see where you are coming from and really wish I didn't. WTF is it with the warmongering and complete and utter disrespect of allied nations? WTF is the point of attacking NK at all if South Korea is going to be thrown away - "being strong" or some shit like that?
I wrangle computers for geophysicists these days but I used to be an engineer. It's hard enough sorting out signals going through rock to find something really big let alone something like water. I'm just addressing the smug "it's so easy posts" like the GP.
There's so many reflections and distortions in an environment that isn't quiet to start with that finding a noise and then the source of it isn't so simple. Subs are tested for noise emission in fjords for a reason - even the diesel ones. Compared with background noise they are not all that noisy. Even the old USSR ones that NK has would be hard to find unless you know where it is going.
Worse than that. Seoul is in range of North Korean artillery emplacements. They do not have to rely on possibly ineffective missiles to reduce Seoul to rubble within a very short time of being given the order.
Some of those subs came from the European part of the USSR under their own power so have a range a little more than a tiny fishing boat. You are picking an odd thing to be dangerously overconfident about.
The only reason North Korea is a threat is because China is propping them up.
We are all propping them up. Their business model has been "will threaten for food" for decades. China is selling them oil at a vast markup, more profiting than "propping them up". I'm not defending China just pointing out something that should make you a bit more aware that even China can't tell them what to do and be listened to.
Truly we have fantastic technology today. We can find a submarine just as easily as we can find a crashed airliner under the ocean given a couple of years to look for it.
Some things are just not easy kids - no flying car for you!
I don't know where you think you are posting but I think I'm posting in a comments section attached to a story about Larry Garfield being fired by Dries Buytaert for what he got up to in his bedroom outside of work time. I have not even mentioned Eich before. I'm not even sure what he is supposed to have done let alone defending him for it. Is this just your baggage or is it actually related in some way?
There is rhetoric and there is actual homicidal tendencies. The sort of people who have a history of firebombing the shops of migrants or similar tend to have barriers to employment already.
The sort of people who advocate killing others for their political or religious beliefs or what they get up to in the bedroom are disturbingly common, so long as someone else is pulling the trigger. Fortunately nearly every one of them is not ready to carry out the evil they try to goad others into.
Where I am nearly half the population voted for a party that wants to hurt gays a lot more than Prop 8. Should those people, who are nowhere near as extreme as the people they voted for be denied employment?
All I'm really saying is I think your employer shouldn't "own" you once you are off the clock. Free speech issues outside the workplace (which is what we are really discussing here instead of actual criminal behaviour) are IMHO not something the employer should dismiss someone for unless it appears they are speaking for their place of employment.
Are you paid for this or some sort of "true believer"? I'm still not used to political wonks in this place despite it being infested with them ever since "social media worker" was a thing.
Still doing the misinformation? It's not banned, just that people who are on the clock and do not have a contract that involves overtime, being on call etc can't be disciplined for not paying attention to email out of work time.
Good job! However I don't know if you missed the "bugger" by accident when highlighting or just didn't recognise it as being slang for sodomy due to being American. There was a popular song by a young American female singer that came out a few years ago that frequently used the line "you bug-a me" that got English speakers outside of America laughing.
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It's a better written submarine fantasy.
On an earlier post I suggested reading non-fiction or that novel - I fucked up this time and just mentioned the novel. It has a bit describing some real problems with sonar that result from different water densities, which don't just vary with depth.
That's a conclusion to jump to that kind of matches what people's gut feeling would tell them after following a noisy truck , but maybe you should read something on the topic.
Ah - the "great man" view of history.
The place is fucked up and if that Kim dies another almost as fucked up is there to take his place.
I heard that sort of thing about Afganistan. Still unfinished.
All be over be Christmas Mr Armchair Warmonger too cowardly to enlist yet calling for blood?
Not so hard to find if you are looking in exactly the correct place and they are not running on batteries.
Sadly physics gets in the way of Tom Clancy fantasies.
Search and rescue plus a lot of other things would be easier if those fantasies were real.
Maybe read Frank Herbert's "The Dragon Under the Sea" or some non-fiction on the topic. Submarine detection isn't so easy even if the subs are old.
They have different priorities but they still have the resources of a nation and millions of people.
Also, what is it I'm supposed to not possibly believe exactly? NK trades with China, Iran etc - I did not deny that. They get military aid from China, but you are incredibly naive if you think China can tell them what to do and it will be done.
I'm also not in any way defending NK but you seem to think so. I knew someone who had to flee the place to the comparitive freedom of Mao's China (that's how fucked up NK was, and it got worse later) when they started getting xenophobic about Chinese on top of already hating everyone else.
Perhaps instead of guessing and attempting to "correct" my opinion based on that guess you should read one of the many things written about the topic. It will be far less of a waste of time and far less likely to lead to embarrassment.
Physics gets in the way of all of it. Water density (especially with variable amounts of salt in it) is not constant or even constant with depth. That affects the way sound is transmitted since the speed of sound is a function of density.
There's a lot out there on the net but some fiction sums up the problems well such as Frank Herbert's submarine novel "The Dragon Under the Sea".
They are built inside fucking mountains and there are not enough MOAB's in stock to take them all out even if that thing can do it.
OK, I see where you are coming from and really wish I didn't.
WTF is it with the warmongering and complete and utter disrespect of allied nations? WTF is the point of attacking NK at all if South Korea is going to be thrown away - "being strong" or some shit like that?
I wrangle computers for geophysicists these days but I used to be an engineer.
It's hard enough sorting out signals going through rock to find something really big let alone something like water.
I'm just addressing the smug "it's so easy posts" like the GP.
There's so many reflections and distortions in an environment that isn't quiet to start with that finding a noise and then the source of it isn't so simple.
Subs are tested for noise emission in fjords for a reason - even the diesel ones. Compared with background noise they are not all that noisy. Even the old USSR ones that NK has would be hard to find unless you know where it is going.
Worse than that.
Seoul is in range of North Korean artillery emplacements.
They do not have to rely on possibly ineffective missiles to reduce Seoul to rubble within a very short time of being given the order.
How is that to be done without Seoul being shelled into rubble before they are stopped?
Not an easy question to answer is it?
Some of those subs came from the European part of the USSR under their own power so have a range a little more than a tiny fishing boat. You are picking an odd thing to be dangerously overconfident about.
We are all propping them up. Their business model has been "will threaten for food" for decades.
China is selling them oil at a vast markup, more profiting than "propping them up". I'm not defending China just pointing out something that should make you a bit more aware that even China can't tell them what to do and be listened to.
Also they can wait entirely silent if needed, not an option with a nuclear sub since the cooling system is not passive and needs to run pumps.
Truly we have fantastic technology today.
We can find a submarine just as easily as we can find a crashed airliner under the ocean given a couple of years to look for it.
Some things are just not easy kids - no flying car for you!
I don't know where you think you are posting but I think I'm posting in a comments section attached to a story about Larry Garfield being fired by Dries Buytaert for what he got up to in his bedroom outside of work time.
I have not even mentioned Eich before. I'm not even sure what he is supposed to have done let alone defending him for it. Is this just your baggage or is it actually related in some way?
They can't do it unless they can.
Dumbed down enough yet? Please sober up before you post.
There is rhetoric and there is actual homicidal tendencies.
The sort of people who have a history of firebombing the shops of migrants or similar tend to have barriers to employment already.
The sort of people who advocate killing others for their political or religious beliefs or what they get up to in the bedroom are disturbingly common, so long as someone else is pulling the trigger. Fortunately nearly every one of them is not ready to carry out the evil they try to goad others into.
Where I am nearly half the population voted for a party that wants to hurt gays a lot more than Prop 8. Should those people, who are nowhere near as extreme as the people they voted for be denied employment?
All I'm really saying is I think your employer shouldn't "own" you once you are off the clock. Free speech issues outside the workplace (which is what we are really discussing here instead of actual criminal behaviour) are IMHO not something the employer should dismiss someone for unless it appears they are speaking for their place of employment.
All buggery is merely a typo on my part. I was transcribing from the YouTube video.
That's a pity because it makes it even funnier!
Thanks for putting that up.
Are you paid for this or some sort of "true believer"?
I'm still not used to political wonks in this place despite it being infested with them ever since "social media worker" was a thing.
Still doing the misinformation?
It's not banned, just that people who are on the clock and do not have a contract that involves overtime, being on call etc can't be disciplined for not paying attention to email out of work time.
Good job! However I don't know if you missed the "bugger" by accident when highlighting or just didn't recognise it as being slang for sodomy due to being American. There was a popular song by a young American female singer that came out a few years ago that frequently used the line "you bug-a me" that got English speakers outside of America laughing.