At the other extreme is Solaris where the aliens were so alien that communication was getting nowhere after a century despite the aliens being able to construct human looking and behaving bodies based on the memories of the people on the space station. At least that was the book, I haven't seen the movie remake and it's a while since I've seen the original.
All of the big science fiction of the late 60's and most of the 70's was heavy with political and social messages.
That sounds like now as well and what stopped things like "Ghost in the Shell" and "Suicide Squad" being good movies despite having the ingredients for a good movie. The plots just do not fit either the settings or the characters, but the "message" gets applied with a trowel.
According to "Logan's Run" and "Soylent Green" we were doomed because of overpopulation
We kind of were, but the "green revolution" in agriculture, the death of Mao (giving China a chance to plan to feed it's people) and the situation where there are no more children on the planet than there were in the 1940s (two billion) changed that. By the time the movies came out however the solutions were well under way.
Space Odyssey wasn't as good as people make it out to be. Classic drawn out Kubrik
On a cinema screen it is that good IMHO, on a television not so much. I really don't know why the long model shots set to classical music work so well and neither do the directors of so many movies that tried to copy it either (eg. In Trek 1 that sort of thing just came across as boring scenes).
Actually Clarke wrote the novel after the script, but that doesn't change that it was the work of a very good writer and a very good director. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(novel)
with the way people are getting blacklisted for even meeting with trump or his team
Not as stupid as it sounds when it's looking like we are going into full crony capitalism territory. I think we are going to see a lot of scams like the Lockheed Joint Strike Fighter happening.
He doesn't. He just wants us all to think he does. As always he just wants attention. Those jobs are gone just like the steelmaking jobs since there is no market for overpriced coal or overpriced steel. They cannot compete with new operations that do things effectively instead of the way things were done in the 1950s. Even Trump knows this, but he doesn't care - if he makes enough noise it makes him look like he's bringing the jobs back, and when it doesn't happen he'll blame it on something else. I agree with you on everything else and what I wrote is probably not that different anyway.
Hillary is no longer relevant. No ties to Russia? So those bank loans and all the rest don't count? I think Trump has a bridge to sell to you if you are that gullible.
You should take some time to read up on how sonar is not completely equivalent to radar. You get reflections from different densities of water as well as the surface and bottom, plus the ocean is very noisy.
No. In dynastic cults of personality, the current living leader is always
Bzzt - wrong. Not like that in North Korea. It's pretty well the cult of the worship of the dead Kim. A lot has been written about that strange place.
And you know I'm wrong how?
A lot has been written about that strange place and I'm going by that instead of gut feeling. Talking to someone a few times who fled the place in the 1960s helped a bit too. Talking to someone who lived on the Chinese side of the border until about 2000 and who had a lot of contact with refugees filled in more gaps.
BTW - what's with the lecture? It's kind of annoying to get one from someone who doesn't have a clue so goes on and on about something different..
realistically, they can't run on batteries long enough to go 100km
Sorry to reply yet again, but Australia's Collins Class Diesel Submarine has a published range on batteries of 890km. While the subs we are discussing are Russian and a bit old they are likely to have the best modern batteries for the task from China - so are you really sure about that 100km guess?
All I'm trying to suggest here is that the subs are not so trivial to find that there is no point seeing them as a possible threat as a poster way above suggested. Can we really assume they can't get out and get close enough to cause trouble in South Korea and Japan?
Science/Technology journalists frequently turn the hype up to 11 just like sports commentators. It may be a bit hard for you to notice since so much tech has a 20 year lead time or more from journal article to product but a lot of the stuff we take for granted now was once those "fantastic claims". If you'd shown me white LEDs and the lithium batteries of today in 1980 they would have looked like "fantastic claims" to me.
With the greatest possible respect (since I'm sure you are good at something and I've just got you at a bad time) the cult of personality you describe revolves around someone who has been dead for a long time. There are many who can serve as a "high priest" to that cult. I've got no idea why you think a tight circle is enough to run a country - that "great man" fairytale has got you.
DPRK really doesn't have anything like that in their party apparatus
And you know this how exactly?
I'm not calling you stupid, just a bit lazy on this topic and prone to jumping to conclusions.
Sorry one more thing. You will know a lot more about the topic than I (since I'm getting most of it second-hand), so what do you have to say about the allied diesel subs getting very close to carriers in joint exercises? Surely since that has happened a few times it must be a bit more than a trivial exercise to find one.
On that note the autonomous region* of China adjacent to North Korea has a population that is about half Korean speakers (down from about 80% at the end of WW2), is relatively sparsely populated for China and has already taken more than a hundred thousand NK refugees over the years. I met someone from the border region of that place and her opinion of what to do about NK was to wait until the wind is blowing out to sea and then nuke it - at least some Chinese have very strong negative opinions about NK. *Self governed by ethnic Koreans on matters that Beijing doesn't want to be bothered with so nowhere nears as independent as a US State.
Exactly. A military decapitation seems highly improbable. Actually getting at Kim Jong-un with a missile strike is probably as likely as getting at President Trump or Putin with a missile strike. In other words, it's close enough to impossible to not be worth it. That leaves assassination
When are you people going to wake up. The current Kim is exactly what you get when a terrifying leader dies - that's exactly how he got there. Killing him isn't going to improve things. The system that put him in place has plenty of others to replace him so long as that system remains. NK is ruled by a batshit insane class that is a cross between an aristocracy and a cult worshiping an earlier Kim. There is plenty more where he came from.
Talking to some submariners who were on diesel ships and getting marine seismic stuff to work. While you are completely correct I should have pointed out that they do not have to cross the entire Pacific on batteries to evade detection, but you already knew that didn't you? Is someone really going to be listening with the proper equipment within 100km every time they fire the motors up? Even if they are, is that going to accurately pinpoint them? I'll let your incredibly unlikely range of 100km stand - even then it's a fucking big ocean and they apparently already have stuff out of port.
With respect, with a nuke and a missile with a range of a few hundred miles "close" just doesn't seem good enough. Their short range missiles work. That is why it is not a trivial problem to solve.
Well, that all applies if you have a destroyer sitting above every sub watching it all the way and if none of them are already at sea. Finding a sub in an ocean - think about it and think in terms of physics and not magic!
They already have and they don't care (I knew someone who fled the place in the 1960s) but they can kill a lot of people in South Korea as well as possibly Japan and maybe some Pacific ports or shipping.
Do you really think a moving vessel can do that sort of thing on the fly every few seconds over a full range of depths out to ranges of a dozen miles or more? I can see why you people think it's easy if you do, and kind of see why so many people fell for Trump and his wall.
You have ignored that water density is not constant or even consistantly variable with depth so it's not "a bit easier". A current of a different temperature to the water adjacent returns reflections for example. It's not like fucking radar.
If your opinion is about field artillery instead of deep emplacements you are expressing it in the wrong context. Use your brain and think about what is actually there not an anecdote out of context.
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At the other extreme is Solaris where the aliens were so alien that communication was getting nowhere after a century despite the aliens being able to construct human looking and behaving bodies based on the memories of the people on the space station.
At least that was the book, I haven't seen the movie remake and it's a while since I've seen the original.
That sounds like now as well and what stopped things like "Ghost in the Shell" and "Suicide Squad" being good movies despite having the ingredients for a good movie. The plots just do not fit either the settings or the characters, but the "message" gets applied with a trowel.
We kind of were, but the "green revolution" in agriculture, the death of Mao (giving China a chance to plan to feed it's people) and the situation where there are no more children on the planet than there were in the 1940s (two billion) changed that. By the time the movies came out however the solutions were well under way.
On a cinema screen it is that good IMHO, on a television not so much. I really don't know why the long model shots set to classical music work so well and neither do the directors of so many movies that tried to copy it either (eg. In Trek 1 that sort of thing just came across as boring scenes).
Actually Clarke wrote the novel after the script, but that doesn't change that it was the work of a very good writer and a very good director.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(novel)
Not as stupid as it sounds when it's looking like we are going into full crony capitalism territory.
I think we are going to see a lot of scams like the Lockheed Joint Strike Fighter happening.
He doesn't. He just wants us all to think he does. As always he just wants attention. Those jobs are gone just like the steelmaking jobs since there is no market for overpriced coal or overpriced steel. They cannot compete with new operations that do things effectively instead of the way things were done in the 1950s. Even Trump knows this, but he doesn't care - if he makes enough noise it makes him look like he's bringing the jobs back, and when it doesn't happen he'll blame it on something else.
I agree with you on everything else and what I wrote is probably not that different anyway.
Hillary is no longer relevant.
No ties to Russia? So those bank loans and all the rest don't count? I think Trump has a bridge to sell to you if you are that gullible.
You should take some time to read up on how sonar is not completely equivalent to radar. You get reflections from different densities of water as well as the surface and bottom, plus the ocean is very noisy.
Bzzt - wrong. Not like that in North Korea. It's pretty well the cult of the worship of the dead Kim. A lot has been written about that strange place.
A lot has been written about that strange place and I'm going by that instead of gut feeling. Talking to someone a few times who fled the place in the 1960s helped a bit too. Talking to someone who lived on the Chinese side of the border until about 2000 and who had a lot of contact with refugees filled in more gaps.
BTW - what's with the lecture? It's kind of annoying to get one from someone who doesn't have a clue so goes on and on about something different..
Sorry to reply yet again, but Australia's Collins Class Diesel Submarine has a published range on batteries of 890km.
While the subs we are discussing are Russian and a bit old they are likely to have the best modern batteries for the task from China - so are you really sure about that 100km guess?
All I'm trying to suggest here is that the subs are not so trivial to find that there is no point seeing them as a possible threat as a poster way above suggested. Can we really assume they can't get out and get close enough to cause trouble in South Korea and Japan?
Science/Technology journalists frequently turn the hype up to 11 just like sports commentators.
It may be a bit hard for you to notice since so much tech has a 20 year lead time or more from journal article to product but a lot of the stuff we take for granted now was once those "fantastic claims". If you'd shown me white LEDs and the lithium batteries of today in 1980 they would have looked like "fantastic claims" to me.
And you know this how exactly?
I'm not calling you stupid, just a bit lazy on this topic and prone to jumping to conclusions.
Sorry one more thing.
You will know a lot more about the topic than I (since I'm getting most of it second-hand), so what do you have to say about the allied diesel subs getting very close to carriers in joint exercises?
Surely since that has happened a few times it must be a bit more than a trivial exercise to find one.
On that note the autonomous region* of China adjacent to North Korea has a population that is about half Korean speakers (down from about 80% at the end of WW2), is relatively sparsely populated for China and has already taken more than a hundred thousand NK refugees over the years.
I met someone from the border region of that place and her opinion of what to do about NK was to wait until the wind is blowing out to sea and then nuke it - at least some Chinese have very strong negative opinions about NK.
*Self governed by ethnic Koreans on matters that Beijing doesn't want to be bothered with so nowhere nears as independent as a US State.
When are you people going to wake up. The current Kim is exactly what you get when a terrifying leader dies - that's exactly how he got there. Killing him isn't going to improve things. The system that put him in place has plenty of others to replace him so long as that system remains.
NK is ruled by a batshit insane class that is a cross between an aristocracy and a cult worshiping an earlier Kim. There is plenty more where he came from.
Talking to some submariners who were on diesel ships and getting marine seismic stuff to work.
While you are completely correct I should have pointed out that they do not have to cross the entire Pacific on batteries to evade detection, but you already knew that didn't you? Is someone really going to be listening with the proper equipment within 100km every time they fire the motors up? Even if they are, is that going to accurately pinpoint them? I'll let your incredibly unlikely range of 100km stand - even then it's a fucking big ocean and they apparently already have stuff out of port.
That's all I'm saying here, that it's not going to be as easy as all the people who are pretending that submarines are no threat are suggesting.
With respect, with a nuke and a missile with a range of a few hundred miles "close" just doesn't seem good enough. Their short range missiles work.
That is why it is not a trivial problem to solve.
So suggesting a difficult thing is hard is hating America?
Well, that all applies if you have a destroyer sitting above every sub watching it all the way and if none of them are already at sea.
Finding a sub in an ocean - think about it and think in terms of physics and not magic!
These ARE Russian subs. They just have a different owner.
They already have and they don't care (I knew someone who fled the place in the 1960s) but they can kill a lot of people in South Korea as well as possibly Japan and maybe some Pacific ports or shipping.
Do you really think a moving vessel can do that sort of thing on the fly every few seconds over a full range of depths out to ranges of a dozen miles or more? I can see why you people think it's easy if you do, and kind of see why so many people fell for Trump and his wall.
You have ignored that water density is not constant or even consistantly variable with depth so it's not "a bit easier". A current of a different temperature to the water adjacent returns reflections for example.
It's not like fucking radar.
If your opinion is about field artillery instead of deep emplacements you are expressing it in the wrong context. Use your brain and think about what is actually there not an anecdote out of context.