I reported what they are thinking, not what I think is right.
Let me sum it up for you:
1. They can't be sued without their permission. 2. They don't care about person "A" not wanting to get into the dorms next year because they have plenty of people that do.
>A. First, how are they going to determine who is responsible for downloading something, (IE who was actually at the computer)?
This is the residence halls owned by the University. Max occupancy 2 people per room. They don't care about spillage.
>B. Once they do, what about the other students who share the room? Are they SOL?
Probably, see above.
>C. What about the student's classes? I am sure the net is quite integral, so basically they are removing a learning/research/interaction tool which I would say is necessary in today's collegiate environment.
Computer labs are still open to the student. Closest ones are not that far away, all within walking distance. (from all 8 dorms) When I was a student, we didn't even HAVE computers in the dorms.
>D. Also, with the money students (more likely parents) are paying for a dorm and related - (including resnet or whatever) you can bet the school will be sued.
This is a state school. The rich kids are either in single rooms, or more likely, live off campus in apartments. And you can't sue the state without permission from the state.
>E. When checking out prospective universities, something like this is going to turn off a lot of kids - I know if I were considering schools I would cross this school off of my list - notm only because of this policy itself, but because think it's an indicator of how this school's administration thinks, and how they feel about protecting the rights of their sztudents.
State school. The only school most of them can afford. The dorms have waiting lists as it is.
>When you consider all of these things and how they will negatively impact the school and it's image, it seems to me that this isn't going to work. I could be wrong, but it just seems too drastic.
You give their perception of their image WAY too much credence. They don't care because they can't house enough students NOW. What do they care if they lose some?
Bought my last desktop in 1996. The desktop at work is being replaced by a laptop.
My personal laptop has much more performance than the desktop on my desk. And that laptop is already 2.5 years old. And we have a hierarchy for laptops in my household. Every time I upgrade, the old ones bounce down the chain.
The economy would collapse tomorrow. I work for a company that depends on mainframes. And you know what? Just about every delivery company out there does. You want your stuff delivered to the store where you can buy it? Mainframe computers put it there. You want your stuff delivered to your home? Mainframe computers put it there.
I'm just saying, Mainframe, DB2 and even Cobol/CICS. At this point, I'll retire before thay do.
Yesterday, I had a Z series computer to myself! (There are some perks to being a DBA!) One of the jobs I ran reorgged about 150 million rows of data, and rebuilt 2 indexes on it. 10 minutes to do it. The similar 180 million row table took 12 minutes.
>Those little cars wouldn't have to weave around if they didn't have lousy SUV driving maniacs everywhere. Contrary to what most SUV owners might think, it is NOT ok to drive 75mph and/or pass in the right lane. Conversely it is not ok to drive 40mph and/or cut over multiple lanes at once in the left lane.
Oh bull. I used to have a little car, and I could go just fine without having to weave in and out. It is the quality of the driver, not the car.
>You're a fucking moron. Seriously, people like you should just die. You live in complete ignorance of the fact that you are fucking up the planet and then go into denial when confronted by it.
I've done the math, Man Made Global Warming is not a fact, Grow up and face the reality. YOU are the moron.
>A gallon is a lot of gasoline. The fact that you don't consider it to be is testiment to your warped sense of value and priority. Here's a tip, get off of your fat lazy ass and ride a bicycle to work. It takes 0 gallons and might help you trim off some of those extra McDonald's pounds that you no doubt have.
Yeah right, and you want to lead the way? I thought not. At least I am not commuting 70 miles and using a tank of gas every 2 days. Maybe I can't remove all my usage, but I did cut back by 90%. It's a start.
>Newflash, a wheelchair and dive gear will fit comfortably into any standard sized car. Most cars have a rather sizeable compartment in the rear called a "trunk", use it. So unless your mother in law/scouts are living in your vehicle or you are filling it with water and using it as a practice dive tank, your reasoning is pure bullshit.
Bullshit. Have you ever worked with a power wheelchair? Or tried to fit a full set of dive gear, including 4 tanks into a trunk? It doesn't fit. That's why I replaced the little car with a trunk with the second minivan. It actually works, and now I have a backup. And have you ever tried to load a car with half a dozen scouts? Oops, that is one over the passenger limit of a regular car. (And I can't very easily tow a trailer with a regular car, but the van can, because I had it built that way.)
>And the higher floor means I won't bottom out on those dirt roads.
>I have never once seen an SUV driver go "offroading". In fact they all look pretty shiny and waxed when I see them on the road, not to mention most SUVs have pitiful little engines that wouldn't even be able to manage it. Yeah, you're not fooling anyone. Oh and that higher floor also means that your vehicle has a higher centre of gravity. When one of your fellow SUV drivers smacks into you because they were talking on their mobile phone or watching vids on their dashboard DVD player, your higher floor is going to become a lower roof.
Well, then maybe you haven't been to either dive sites or campsites, most of which are way back on DIRT roads, with large ruts on them. I would be afraid of ripping up the bottom of a regular car on those roads.
So, next time, before chiming in, you might want to learn something before opening your mouth and inserting your foot!
No, you are the one who doesn't have a clue. Man made Global Warming is so much BS. Take it to the bank.
Check out the base data and do your own math. You will arrive at the same conclusion - that the so-called consensus is made up of people who can't do the math - or won't.
>You realize that what you've just admitted is that you're...
>1) putting most other drivers around you at risk, because of your high bumpers, poor braking and handling, and excess weight;
Only if I drive like a maniac, which is how hte little cars drive, weaving in and out of traffic. I ge tin a lane and just go.
>2) paying who knows how much extra in gas, and putting the resulting extra CO2 into the atmosphere;
You mean like "Global Warming" which is all BS anyway? I pay the extra in gas becaus eI need the extra space. You know how I save on gas? I movd close to work. It means that it takes less than 1 gallon of gas to make a ROUND TRIP to work.
>3) actually *sacrificing* space compared to rational people-moving vehicles (because of your high floor and long hood)...
No, having the space I need when I move the Mother in laws wheel chair around town, or have enough space for me and my dive gear when traveling. Or putting several scouts in the car when traveling to a campout, and having enough space for their gear too. And the higher floor means I won't bottom out on those dirt roads.....
>... because you're insecure about how you look.
A car is a tool to get there from here. And the car the ad was about is the UGLIEST car.....
Ok, then I have to get my employer after them, and since the machine is used to support work, on a 24/7 basis, no problem. Oh, and the 10$ mil per annum - no problem. They gross that much in the first week of each year, if not the first day, so that is not an issue. (I work for a fortune 10 as a DBA)
I could use this whole document and add one more charge. Violation of the DMCA!!! On my home network, every machine is protected by a unique password. The other two machines on the network have been taught the passwords of each machine, but anyone coming in from the outside would be reverse engineering my copy protection, and violating DMCA.
And while I have a P2P program, it was used to download 4 indie films. Each was burned off to DVD and they are not on my machine anymore!
Look, I have 3 kinds of links in my Linkedin lists. Those that know me professionally. Those I am reconnecting with (how much about my profession does a guy who was in my dorm in college know about?) and finally HEADHUNTERS. Yup, linkedin has already been taken over by headhunters. I have multiple HR people from consulting firms I used to work for pulling in hundreds of contacts. Yet these people know nothing of my current reputation.
On this day 30 years ago, I took a girl to go see it as my first date. We were all riding back from our high school senior picnic, and she asked about the book I was reading (the novelization), so I took her to the movie.
The second movie I took my fiancee too, and by the third movie we were married.
What the average Linux user doesn't seem to understand -
I use my PC to support my JOB and my LIFE. To that end, it must do the things I NEED it to do:
1. Run a CASE tool. See any out here for Linux? Oops, didn't think so. This is how I make my living, and which tool I use is specified!
2. Run my blood meter software. This is Life support software. It has to be certified by the FDA to run correctly. Oops, no Linux versions...
3. Dive computer software. Gee, we finally see one for the MAC, but still nothing for Linux....
4. Yes, computer games too
5. I can support Windows over the phone for my non tech savy relatives for most things.
As for your list above:
1. Yes, I run Anti-virus software, so what?
2. Annual re-load of the OS? What are you smoking? I have had my current XP machine for 28 months. Only time I had to "re-load" the OS was after a HARDWARE failure. I had to rebuild the disk from scratch. Linux would have had to be re-loaded at the same time.
3. I have 3 drives on this machine that mount and unmount with no issues at all. Maybe you are looking at the cheap crap I don't buy?
4. Pop ups? Gee, I think that is a choice of the browser and the websites you go to, not the OS. I never have seen a lot of popups.
5. Easier to use? Hm, well I do use multiple monitors at times, copy and paste with a single mouseclick, why would I want that? Command completion, DOS used to have that, dang nusence if you ask me.
Look, I have used a lot of different OSes over the years (GECOS, OS/8, MVS, VM, UNIX, DOS, OS/2, Windows) and Linux just doesn't offer anything for me.
Oh, and in case you ask, I am capable of loading linux, if I needed it, but why would I want to?
Let the flames begin, but until you Linux geeks start to understand what is above, you will always be in the minority.
We still have 50 million or more computers out there running Win 98SE, and how many have not upgraded to IE7 yet? (hell, I even still have a Win95 machine here! And a DOS 3.3 one, niether of which is used much, but there).
(I raise my hand for 4 computers for IE7 alone, as corporate has outlawed that yet on machines that connect to that network).
Yet you expect all 300 million users out there to immediately update their browsers?
And has always concentrated on stories where they get the facts wrong. Like watching 6 in Orlando while they announced the shuttle as having launched the previous Friday. Too bad it went up on Thursday.... And when they get it right, you want them arrested. Again 6 in Orlando, with the reporters standing outside a house with SWAT before SWAT is to go in, and ANNOUNCES the address.
But, still better than 6 in Schnectady / Albany, whom I had to call to inform that "The reports of my death were greatly exagerated".
I would love to see who started this bill. We have Nelson as a senator, who is the deepest in the pocket of the RIAA of ANY Senator. And to those who care, he is a Democrat.
When you can run my tool suite on the MAC, for real, with the performance I am getting, I'll listen. My major tool won't run right on Vista yet, and they expect it to run on the MAC? Yeah right. When you have $2500 software tools, THEY drive the selection of the desktop.
Support? The last time I called support was because I needed a new mouse. The one I had been nursing along for 7 years, thru a couple of processors finally broke down. I support my own machines.
And you are right, there are plenty of stand alone aps even now. And plenty of network ones.
Some examples of stand alone turn around secondary devices. Dive computers, blood meters, blood pressure meters. You don't need the network for these.
Listening to MP3 files. Yes, I use a network ap to download them, but I listen to them in standalone mode.
Photoshop. Yeah, Adobe is making noise about a web centric version of Photoshop. I'll believe it when Cows fly. There just isn't enough bandwidth yet to do that kind of processing in a timely manner.
Word Processing? Why in the h.ll would I want to go to a browser model for that? Talk about stupid.
The Laptop is the coming wave - look at the sales figures. And what does a laptop do? Connects to get data, then walks away from the network.
Also, I will give the original author credit about needing to know what is going on underneath, but he forgot a BIG piece of that puzzle. You need to know what your DBMS is doing under the covers. A few years ago I ran into one spot where if you followed the natual inclination and went forward thru the answer set you ended up with a factorial I/O issue. If you went backwards, it was linear. Not a problem when testing for 5-10 rows, but try going to production with hundreds and thousands of rows....
Because it has happened before. Early 1970's and Travelers insurance company did the same thing in their DP department. How do I know? Well, my father was at the top of the list of those "laid off". To this day, Travelers HR tells people that they have never laid people off in their history.
Or how about Aetna? One days some years back, all employees were required to be at there desk at 8am one particular morning. If your phone range, you were fired.
So, to those of you all upset abotu this one. Well, where were you then?
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I reported what they are thinking, not what I think is right.
Let me sum it up for you:
1. They can't be sued without their permission.
2. They don't care about person "A" not wanting to get into the dorms next year because they have plenty of people that do.
Arrogance personified.
>A. First, how are they going to determine who is responsible for downloading something, (IE who was actually at the computer)?
This is the residence halls owned by the University. Max occupancy 2 people per room. They don't care about spillage.
>B. Once they do, what about the other students who share the room? Are they SOL?
Probably, see above.
>C. What about the student's classes? I am sure the net is quite integral, so basically they are removing a learning/research/interaction tool which I would say is necessary in today's collegiate environment.
Computer labs are still open to the student. Closest ones are not that far away, all within walking distance. (from all 8 dorms) When I was a student, we didn't even HAVE computers in the dorms.
>D. Also, with the money students (more likely parents) are paying for a dorm and related - (including resnet or whatever) you can bet the school will be sued.
This is a state school. The rich kids are either in single rooms, or more likely, live off campus in apartments. And you can't sue the state without permission from the state.
>E. When checking out prospective universities, something like this is going to turn off a lot of kids - I know if I were considering schools I would cross this school off of my list - notm only because of this policy itself, but because think it's an indicator of how this school's administration thinks, and how they feel about protecting the rights of their sztudents.
State school. The only school most of them can afford. The dorms have waiting lists as it is.
>When you consider all of these things and how they will negatively impact the school and it's image, it seems to me that this isn't going to work. I could be wrong, but it just seems too drastic.
You give their perception of their image WAY too much credence. They don't care because they can't house enough students NOW. What do they care if they lose some?
Bought my last desktop in 1996. The desktop at work is being replaced by a laptop.
My personal laptop has much more performance than the desktop on my desk. And that laptop is already 2.5 years old. And we have a hierarchy for laptops in my household. Every time I upgrade, the old ones bounce down the chain.
Yeah, the one Cindy Sheehan just sold.
The economy would collapse tomorrow. I work for a company that depends on mainframes. And you know what? Just about every delivery company out there does. You want your stuff delivered to the store where you can buy it? Mainframe computers put it there. You want your stuff delivered to your home? Mainframe computers put it there.
I'm just saying, Mainframe, DB2 and even Cobol/CICS. At this point, I'll retire before thay do.
Yesterday, I had a Z series computer to myself! (There are some perks to being a DBA!) One of the jobs I ran reorgged about 150 million rows of data, and rebuilt 2 indexes on it. 10 minutes to do it. The similar 180 million row table took 12 minutes.
>Those little cars wouldn't have to weave around if they didn't have lousy SUV driving maniacs everywhere. Contrary to what most SUV owners might think, it is NOT ok to drive 75mph and/or pass in the right lane. Conversely it is not ok to drive 40mph and/or cut over multiple lanes at once in the left lane.
Oh bull. I used to have a little car, and I could go just fine without having to weave in and out. It is the quality of the driver, not the car.
>You're a fucking moron. Seriously, people like you should just die. You live in complete ignorance of the fact that you are fucking up the planet and then go into denial when confronted by it.
I've done the math, Man Made Global Warming is not a fact, Grow up and face the reality. YOU are the moron.
>A gallon is a lot of gasoline. The fact that you don't consider it to be is testiment to your warped sense of value and priority. Here's a tip, get off of your fat lazy ass and ride a bicycle to work. It takes 0 gallons and might help you trim off some of those extra McDonald's pounds that you no doubt have.
Yeah right, and you want to lead the way? I thought not. At least I am not commuting 70 miles and using a tank of gas every 2 days. Maybe I can't remove all my usage, but I did cut back by 90%. It's a start.
>Newflash, a wheelchair and dive gear will fit comfortably into any standard sized car. Most cars have a rather sizeable compartment in the rear called a "trunk", use it. So unless your mother in law/scouts are living in your vehicle or you are filling it with water and using it as a practice dive tank, your reasoning is pure bullshit.
Bullshit. Have you ever worked with a power wheelchair? Or tried to fit a full set of dive gear, including 4 tanks into a trunk? It doesn't fit. That's why I replaced the little car with a trunk with the second minivan. It actually works, and now I have a backup. And have you ever tried to load a car with half a dozen scouts? Oops, that is one over the passenger limit of a regular car. (And I can't very easily tow a trailer with a regular car, but the van can, because I had it built that way.)
>And the higher floor means I won't bottom out on those dirt roads.
>I have never once seen an SUV driver go "offroading". In fact they all look pretty shiny and waxed when I see them on the road, not to mention most SUVs have pitiful little engines that wouldn't even be able to manage it. Yeah, you're not fooling anyone. Oh and that higher floor also means that your vehicle has a higher centre of gravity. When one of your fellow SUV drivers smacks into you because they were talking on their mobile phone or watching vids on their dashboard DVD player, your higher floor is going to become a lower roof.
Well, then maybe you haven't been to either dive sites or campsites, most of which are way back on DIRT roads, with large ruts on them. I would be afraid of ripping up the bottom of a regular car on those roads.
So, next time, before chiming in, you might want to learn something before opening your mouth and inserting your foot!
No, you are the one who doesn't have a clue. Man made Global Warming is so much BS. Take it to the bank.
Check out the base data and do your own math. You will arrive at the same conclusion - that the so-called consensus is made up of people who can't do the math - or won't.
>You realize that what you've just admitted is that you're ...
...
>1) putting most other drivers around you at risk, because of your high bumpers, poor braking and handling, and excess weight;
Only if I drive like a maniac, which is how hte little cars drive, weaving in and out of traffic. I ge tin a lane and just go.
>2) paying who knows how much extra in gas, and putting the resulting extra CO2 into the atmosphere;
You mean like "Global Warming" which is all BS anyway? I pay the extra in gas becaus eI need the extra space. You know how I save on gas? I movd close to work. It means that it takes less than 1 gallon of gas to make a ROUND TRIP to work.
>3) actually *sacrificing* space compared to rational people-moving vehicles (because of your high floor and long hood)
No, having the space I need when I move the Mother in laws wheel chair around town, or have enough space for me and my dive gear when traveling. Or putting several scouts in the car when traveling to a campout, and having enough space for their gear too. And the higher floor means I won't bottom out on those dirt roads.....
>... because you're insecure about how you look.
A car is a tool to get there from here. And the car the ad was about is the UGLIEST car.....
Ok, then I have to get my employer after them, and since the machine is used to support work, on a 24/7 basis, no problem. Oh, and the 10$ mil per annum - no problem. They gross that much in the first week of each year, if not the first day, so that is not an issue. (I work for a fortune 10 as a DBA)
I could use this whole document and add one more charge. Violation of the DMCA!!! On my home network, every machine is protected by a unique password. The other two machines on the network have been taught the passwords of each machine, but anyone coming in from the outside would be reverse engineering my copy protection, and violating DMCA.
And while I have a P2P program, it was used to download 4 indie films. Each was burned off to DVD and they are not on my machine anymore!
Buzzz..... sorry, wrong answer.
Look, I have 3 kinds of links in my Linkedin lists. Those that know me professionally. Those I am reconnecting with (how much about my profession does a guy who was in my dorm in college know about?) and finally HEADHUNTERS. Yup, linkedin has already been taken over by headhunters. I have multiple HR people from consulting firms I used to work for pulling in hundreds of contacts. Yet these people know nothing of my current reputation.
Here you go, no facts and slammng MS. Typical.
What about structured coding? I mean really, this stuff is so obvious, and then to not even mention structured coding?
The movie didn't, and I don't think that copy of the book did either, but I will have tolook for hte book this weekend.
10 bookcases, multiple stacks on each shelf. Might take a while.
Still got my copy somewhere too. And Yes, it was a gold colored paperback.
Oh, and yes, the opening credits in the first movie said nothing about Episode 4 in the original theather edition.
Just to clarify. I went on my first date to the first movie.
By the time of the second movie, I was engaged - no where did I say they were the same girl.
However, the one I took to the second movie is the one I married. We just celebrated our 26th wedding anniversary last week.
On this day 30 years ago, I took a girl to go see it as my first date. We were all riding back from our high school senior picnic, and she asked about the book I was reading (the novelization), so I took her to the movie.
The second movie I took my fiancee too, and by the third movie we were married.
So much for your theory.
What the average Linux user doesn't seem to understand -
I use my PC to support my JOB and my LIFE. To that end, it must do the things I NEED it to do:
1. Run a CASE tool. See any out here for Linux? Oops, didn't think so. This is how I make my living, and which tool I use is specified!
2. Run my blood meter software. This is Life support software. It has to be certified by the FDA to run correctly. Oops, no Linux versions...
3. Dive computer software. Gee, we finally see one for the MAC, but still nothing for Linux....
4. Yes, computer games too
5. I can support Windows over the phone for my non tech savy relatives for most things.
As for your list above:
1. Yes, I run Anti-virus software, so what?
2. Annual re-load of the OS? What are you smoking? I have had my current XP machine for 28 months. Only time I had to "re-load" the OS was after a HARDWARE failure. I had to rebuild the disk from scratch. Linux would have had to be re-loaded at the same time.
3. I have 3 drives on this machine that mount and unmount with no issues at all. Maybe you are looking at the cheap crap I don't buy?
4. Pop ups? Gee, I think that is a choice of the browser and the websites you go to, not the OS. I never have seen a lot of popups.
5. Easier to use? Hm, well I do use multiple monitors at times, copy and paste with a single mouseclick, why would I want that? Command completion, DOS used to have that, dang nusence if you ask me.
Look, I have used a lot of different OSes over the years (GECOS, OS/8, MVS, VM, UNIX, DOS, OS/2, Windows) and Linux just doesn't offer anything for me.
Oh, and in case you ask, I am capable of loading linux, if I needed it, but why would I want to?
Let the flames begin, but until you Linux geeks start to understand what is above, you will always be in the minority.
We still have 50 million or more computers out there running Win 98SE, and how many have not upgraded to IE7 yet? (hell, I even still have a Win95 machine here! And a DOS 3.3 one, niether of which is used much, but there).
(I raise my hand for 4 computers for IE7 alone, as corporate has outlawed that yet on machines that connect to that network).
Yet you expect all 300 million users out there to immediately update their browsers?
Foolish foolish thinking on your part.
And has always concentrated on stories where they get the facts wrong. Like watching 6 in Orlando while they announced the shuttle as having launched the previous Friday. Too bad it went up on Thursday.... And when they get it right, you want them arrested. Again 6 in Orlando, with the reporters standing outside a house with SWAT before SWAT is to go in, and ANNOUNCES the address.
But, still better than 6 in Schnectady / Albany, whom I had to call to inform that "The reports of my death were greatly exagerated".
I would love to see who started this bill. We have Nelson as a senator, who is the deepest in the pocket of the RIAA of ANY Senator. And to those who care, he is a Democrat.
Isn't anyone afraid just because paypal is going to use it? With their security track record?
Read the article? This is /. - who reads the article?
When you can run my tool suite on the MAC, for real, with the performance I am getting, I'll listen. My major tool won't run right on Vista yet, and they expect it to run on the MAC? Yeah right. When you have $2500 software tools, THEY drive the selection of the desktop.
Support? The last time I called support was because I needed a new mouse. The one I had been nursing along for 7 years, thru a couple of processors finally broke down. I support my own machines.
And you are right, there are plenty of stand alone aps even now. And plenty of network ones.
Some examples of stand alone turn around secondary devices. Dive computers, blood meters, blood pressure meters. You don't need the network for these.
Listening to MP3 files. Yes, I use a network ap to download them, but I listen to them in standalone mode.
Photoshop. Yeah, Adobe is making noise about a web centric version of Photoshop. I'll believe it when Cows fly. There just isn't enough bandwidth yet to do that kind of processing in a timely manner.
Word Processing? Why in the h.ll would I want to go to a browser model for that? Talk about stupid.
The Laptop is the coming wave - look at the sales figures. And what does a laptop do? Connects to get data, then walks away from the network.
Also, I will give the original author credit about needing to know what is going on underneath, but he forgot a BIG piece of that puzzle. You need to know what your DBMS is doing under the covers. A few years ago I ran into one spot where if you followed the natual inclination and went forward thru the answer set you ended up with a factorial I/O issue. If you went backwards, it was linear. Not a problem when testing for 5-10 rows, but try going to production with hundreds and thousands of rows....
Because it has happened before. Early 1970's and Travelers insurance company did the same thing in their DP department. How do I know? Well, my father was at the top of the list of those "laid off". To this day, Travelers HR tells people that they have never laid people off in their history.
Or how about Aetna? One days some years back, all employees were required to be at there desk at 8am one particular morning. If your phone range, you were fired.
So, to those of you all upset abotu this one. Well, where were you then?